Auburn opens as 7 point favor

[Coach007]

Is that what I am reading

[ShotgunDawg]

Means Vegas only thinks they are 4 points better.

Auburn hasn't been scoring a ton of points.

What's the over/under?

[Coach007]

Means Vegas only thinks they are 4 points better.

Auburn hasn't been scoring a ton of points.

What's the over/under?

https://www.oddsshark.com/ncaaf/odds

[Cooterpoot]

It’ll be 10 in a couple days

[Coach007]

In fact the "predict win" has us winning

https://www.oddsshark.com/ncaaf/mississippi-state-auburn-odds-september-28-2019-1115277

31-29

[I seen it dawg]

Yeah poot i agree with you it will roll up quick. Very curious about the total....

[PMDawg]

Is that what I am reading

It's 9 or 10 at more reputable sites JimDog

[Coach007]

I don't bet, so I'm not huge into the understanding. But I find it interesting.


Even at 10, that's with a ? mark on Stevens.

We need to play everybody and make a statement game here. We knocked them off last year. OWNING Auburn in the Moorhead era would be nice!

[I seen it dawg]

Big picture. HAVE to make Bowl game. Can't play guys in this one.

[PMDawg]

Sucks it's on the road. We may have a shot at home. It's not the best matchup for us. Nix is not a great QB, but his ability to run will give us fits.

[msstate7]

I see opened 9, and currently 11

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/las-vegas/

[Bothrops]

They will cover.

[Hambone]

17 it, just don’t play Saturday then. Damn we have some negative people here

[Quaoarsking]

Big picture. HAVE to make Bowl game. Can't play guys in this one.

Disagree. A true freshman QB could melt down against our full-strength defense and turn the ball over a few times.

[TrapGame]

Tommy 100% healthy and playing Saturday will be the big plus. Joe hasn't opened up the play book yet. We beat UK with a true freshman QB and 5 plays. AU will be a much more talented defense but a healthy Tommy is way better than a healthy Mond.

[Jack Lambert]

I think the Pac 12 is proving not to be a strong conference so that last minute win against Oregon doesn't look as good. A&M the other ranked team they played looked average at best. The odds makers want to be correct as possible and I think they don't see a strong Auburn team. They don't buy into the bull shit sports writers do.

[Coach34]

Auburn is alot better than us and at home. This one wont be close

[RougeDawg]

I think the Pac 12 is proving not to be a strong conference so that last minute win against Oregon doesn't look as good. A&M the other ranked team they played looked average at best. The odds makers want to be correct as possible and I think they don't see a strong Auburn team. They don't buy into the bull shit sports writers do.

Because bullshit sports writers don?t make their living being correct about teams. Odds makers do.

[HoopsDawg]

Auburn is alot better than us and at home. This one wont be close

I bet big on us -6.5 vs UK. Everything was set up for us to win right down to the computers having us as 14 point favs. I will be betting big on AU this Saturday.

[Homedawg]

Big picture. HAVE to make Bowl game. Can't play guys in this one.

This guy gets it...

[Homedawg]

I don't bet, so I'm not huge into the understanding. But I find it interesting.


Even at 10, that's with a ? mark on Stevens.

We need to play everybody and make a statement game here. We knocked them off last year. OWNING Auburn in the Moorhead era would be nice!

Surely they aren't this stupid...

[Homedawg]

Tommy 100% healthy and playing Saturday will be the big plus. Joe hasn't opened up the play book yet. We beat UK with a true freshman QB and 5 plays. AU will be a much more talented defense but a healthy Tommy is way better than a healthy Mond.


Bs. And if so,we lost a game and he hasn't? Wtf. You making the man sound like a complete dumb ass. Don't buy. He uses what he needs to and he was full throttle the last two weeks. And if you don't believe that why in the hell did we play Autry against usm? And while I don't agree w that, I get why he did.

[Coach34]

We have to load the box- hoping thats enough and pray we can cover in the Secondary. I wouldnt waste Gay or Autry in a certain loss

[I seen it dawg]

Disagree. A true freshman QB could melt down against our full-strength defense and turn the ball over a few times.

I respect that. My rationale is this...we desperately have to make a bowl game. We have so many inexperienced guys the extra practice time and playing another game is crucial for 2020. Weighing what we have left we have to win 3 and our greatest chance of getting those is winning 2 of tenn, ark, and shitbirds. 2 of those being on the road and even though those teams are dogshit anything can happen on the road in the sec. I just don't think playing everyone at auburn gives us a better chance at winning than playing everyone at tenn and at ark. And OM should be out of the question sitting anyone. Ever.

[Coach34]

And OM should be out of the question sitting anyone. Ever.

This. It's not the only game we want to win- but it is the game we HAVE to win

[TrapGame]

Bs. And if so,we lost a game and he hasn't? Wtf. You making the man sound like a complete dumb ass. Don't buy. He uses what he needs to and he was full throttle the last two weeks. And if you don't believe that why in the hell did we play Autry against usm? And while I don't agree w that, I get why he did.

What in the hell are you talking about???

Autry played b/c we needed Jackson on the OL. Correct?

You REALLY think Joe hasn't shown a few plays he's saving?

Or do you think Shrader knows the play book as well as Stevens?

What's the deal?

[Homedawg]

What in the hell are you talking about???

Autry played b/c we needed Jackson on the OL. Correct?

You REALLY think Joe hasn't shown a few plays he's saving?

Or do you think Shrader knows the play book as well as Stevens?

What's the deal?

I'm not sure what you can't see. I said I wouldn't have played Autry against usm. However I understand it. Not hard to see that. But apparently you didn't. I've been on record defending him for it in case you haven't paid attention. As for the plays, sure there are new plays every week. But it's based on how we game plan the defense we are against. What I'm saying is, we haven't saved stuff Bc we are "only" playing usm or KSU because we want to save them for the good teams. That's not how it works. And if you think so, then you are calling jomo stupid cause we lost one of those dude.

[TrapGame]

I'm not sure what you can't see. I said I wouldn't have played Autry against usm. However I understand it. Not hard to see that. But apparently you didn't. I've been on record defending him for it in case you haven't paid attention. As for the plays, sure there are new plays every week. But it's based on how we game plan the defense we are against. What I'm saying is, we haven't saved stuff Bc we are "only" playing usm or KSU because we want to save them for the good teams. That's not how it works. And if you think so, then you are calling jomo stupid cause we lost one of those dude.


Wasn't even talking about Autry in my original post but whatever man. You do you.

I know you want us to win Saturday. I do too. Let's just see what Joe does and we'll discuss it then.

[confucius say]

Better chance to win at Aggie than auburn. Play gay and autry then.

Auburn will gash us running the ball.

[dantheman4248]

We have to load the box- hoping thats enough and pray we can cover in the Secondary. I wouldnt waste Gay or Autry in a certain loss

Well guys maybe third time is the charm.

For the gambler’s at home: Week 1, Tease MSU down. We missed covering by 8 to 11 points. No two-team teaser lets you tease more than 6.5 that I can find. Week 2, take USM with the points. MSU covered. Now after the hiatus he’s back to say Auburn certain win. Maybe staying off the -110 bets will shake the monkey off his back or maybe we should fade.

[Covercorner2]

We have to load the box- hoping thats enough and pray we can cover in the Secondary. I wouldnt waste Gay or Autry in a certain loss

This is not a certain loss.

[TALL DAWG]

Disagree. A true freshman QB could melt down against our full-strength defense and turn the ball over a few times.

Exactly!!

We need to play our best players against Burn.

Arkansas is 100% AWFUL and that would be the game to
to hold out Gay, Autry and others as we should be ok there
W/O them.

[Johnson85]

I respect that. My rationale is this...we desperately have to make a bowl game. We have so many inexperienced guys the extra practice time and playing another game is crucial for 2020. Weighing what we have left we have to win 3 and our greatest chance of getting those is winning 2 of tenn, ark, and shitbirds. 2 of those being on the road and even though those teams are dogshit anything can happen on the road in the sec. I just don't think playing everyone at auburn gives us a better chance at winning than playing everyone at tenn and at ark. And OM should be out of the question sitting anyone. Ever.

This is correct, but on top of that, we also have to be concerned about injuries. What if we stupidly played Gay and Autry against Auburn and A&M and then we had a significant injury on the DL or LB? We could likewise have one of them get hurt without finishing playing their 4 games, but that is less devastating than using all their eligibility and then having a 2nd stringer injured.

[Jack Lambert]

I never bet on State one way or another. Heck I don't bet. I am not calling a state victory and if I have to place a bet I would put money on Auburn winning however it is not a definite lose for state. If you think that go ahead and bet the farm. I don't think Auburn is a world beater. I don't think the Pac 12 is a good conference and that win over Oregon is not that good. I think A&M is a average football team. To say it is a definite lose is crazy. Hell some you calling it one was saying the same thing about KY. I guess if you keep saying it you will get it right sooner or later. Just like a monkey. Put a key board in front of a monkey and let it peck it and if it pecks it enough sooner or later it will peck a word out.

[msstate7]

I never bet on State one way or another. Heck I don't bet. I am not calling a state victory and if I have to place a bet I would put money on Auburn winning however it is not a definite lose for state. If you think that go ahead and bet the farm. I don't think Auburn is a world beater. I don't think the Pac 12 is a good conference and that win over Oregon is not that good. I think A&M is a average football team. To say it is a definite lose is crazy. Hell some you calling it one was saying the same thing about KY. I guess if you keep saying it you will get it right sooner or later. Just like a monkey. Put a key board in front of a monkey and let it peck it and if it pecks it enough sooner or later it will peck a word out.

Where would you rate Kansas state vs Oregon and aTm?

[dantheman4248]

Where would you rate Kansas state vs Oregon and aTm?

Where would you rate the MSU team that played Saturday vs. the one that played the saturday before?

Also where do you rate Utah, BYU, and USC?

[TrapGame]

Exactly!!

We need to play our best players against Burn.

Arkansas is 100% AWFUL and that would be the game to
to hold out Gay, Autry and others as we should be ok there
W/O them.

Yep.

Arkansas lost to San Jose State for crying out loud. Cheese is running the Porn Star Defense. There are holes open everywhere.

[msstate7]

Where would you rate the MSU team that played Saturday vs. the one that played the saturday before?

Also where do you rate Utah, BYU, and USC?

I suppose the difference between KSU and Kentucky you're getting to is adding dantzler, gay, and Autry back. We gave up 5.51 yards/play to Kentucky vs 5.08 against KSU.

[Jack Lambert]

Where would you rate Kansas state vs Oregon and aTm?

I say they are all average. On any given day one could beat the other just like us. I think any given day we could beat all three or lose to all three. I would add that KSU would really be fired up to play A&M. A&M would have their hands full and KSU has a better coach.

[dantheman4248]

I suppose the difference between KSU and Kentucky you're getting to is adding dantzler, gay, and Autry back. We gave up 5.51 yards/play to Kentucky vs 5.08 against KSU.

I didn’t ask who gave up more YPP.

How about this. Which team was better last year. The MSU that played UK, the MSU that played UF, or the MSU that played Auburn.

[msstate7]

I didn’t ask who gave up more YPP.

How about this. Which team was better last year. The MSU that played UK, the MSU that played UF, or the MSU that played Auburn.

Obviously auburn.

[dantheman4248]

Obviously auburn.

What makes you sure of that? Auburn ended the year unranked while UF was a top 10 team and UK was top 20.

[Pollodawg]

Combo of them being really good running the ball and us being not so good at stopping the run.

Plus, we play like crap in Jordan Hare.
AU wins this one.

[msstate7]

What makes you sure of that? Auburn ended the year unranked while UF was a top 10 team and UK was top 20.

We played to our strengths in that game.

[I seen it dawg]

I didn?t ask who gave up more YPP.

How about this. Which team was better last year. The MSU that played UK, the MSU that played UF, or the MSU that played Auburn.

This should be fun you 2 tangling up

[R2Dawg]

Better chance to win at Aggie than auburn. Play gay and autry then.

Auburn will gash us running the ball.

Agree; even when we have been better we get the Auburn ref shaft. Better chances at TAMU if you are gonna play them but I'd play them vs UT, Olemiss and not sure the other one yet. Playing Autry vs USM was not smart. Jackson still dressed out, it wasn't like he forgot everything he knew and couldn't play either side if necessary. He is a backup not a starter. If Autry had not played vs USM, I'd play him at Aub.

[ShotgunDawg]

Plus, we play like crap in Jordan Hare.


This is something I'm really worried about.

If we are behind the chains consistently due to false starts, we're going to get blow out.

The only way MSU has a chance in this game is too grind it out on the ground & hit a few big plays in the passing game. In order to do that, we've got to stay ahead of the chains

[dawgday166]

This is something I'm really worried about.

If we are behind the chains consistently due to false starts, we're going to get blow out.

The only way MSU has a chance in this game is too grind it out on the ground & hit a few big plays in the passing game. In order to do that, we've got to stay ahead of the chains

I don't think we're gonna be able to grind it out on the ground against AU.

[Coach007]

I don't think we're gonna be able to grind it out on the ground against AU.

Would love to know who is starting for us. We are 2 very different teams on offense with Stevens and Shrader. I would love to see them both on the field at the same time this week.

We don't have the vertical stretch as much with Shrader but we do have a read option and those passes Fitz could not complete are there. With Stevens, we have it all, but we need more designed runs for him rather than scrambling

[msstate7]

Would love to know who is starting for us. We are 2 very different teams on offense with Stevens and Shrader. I would love to see them both on the field at the same time this week.

We don't have the vertical stretch as much with Shrader but we do have a read option and those passes Fitz could not complete are there. With Stevens, we have it all, but we need more designed runs for him rather than scrambling

So you wanna run Stevens with bum shoulder vs auburn? Doesn't seem like a good idea

[Coach007]

So you wanna run Stevens with bum shoulder vs auburn? Doesn't seem like a good idea

Either he is healthy or he isn't. If he is healthy, he doesn't have a bum shoulder. I have seen on here that Shrader has a bum shoulder and as soon as it "heals" he will be great (yet his surgery was in 2017).

[dantheman4248]

We played to our strengths in that game.

So if we play to our strengths this game why is it impossible for our offense this year as opposed to last year? That defense was crowned even greater last year than this year.

(I’m assuming we agree our strengths are RTGDFB and DakUpTheMiddle)

[dawgday166]

Would love to know who is starting for us. We are 2 very different teams on offense with Stevens and Shrader. I would love to see them both on the field at the same time this week.

We don't have the vertical stretch as much with Shrader but we do have a read option and those passes Fitz could not complete are there. With Stevens, we have it all, but we need more designed runs for him rather than scrambling

I haven't been impressed with Stevens running, speed, or agility yet but maybe I missed something. And I think AU gonna be laying some licks on him too. I hope he's as durable as you think he is. I do think we need to throw on them to have a chance in this game.

We might could use Shrader with read-options against AU, but they practice against that all the time too.

[Coach007]

I haven't been impressed with Stevens running, speed, or agility yet but maybe I missed something. And I think AU gonna be laying some licks on him too. I hope he's as durable as you think he is. I do think we need to throw on them to have a chance in this game.

We might could use Shrader with read-options against AU, but they practice against that all the time too.

He 100% is not the scrambler we are use to seeing. I think he gives us a different edge. Auburn is not great at passing defense. Deep shots keep a defense honest and Hill is a beast in those situations.

[Quaoarsking]

Plus, we play like crap in Jordan Hare.

Not really. We got blown out in 2017, but we won a loseable game there in 2015, and in 2013 and 2011, we took 6-6 teams over there and played much better Aubutn teams down to the wire.

That doesn't mean we'll win or overperform this year, but there's no data to back up the idea that we tend to underperform over there.

[dantheman4248]

Not really. We got blown out in 2017, but we won a loseable game there in 2015, and in 2013 and 2011, we took 6-6 teams over there and played much better Aubutn teams down to the wire.

That doesn't mean we'll win or overperform this year, but there's no data to back up the idea that we tend to underperform over there.

Agreed. Bryant-Denny we play like crap in. Jordan-Hare is a normal road atmosphere for us. 2 years ago we folded as a team and imploded after being embarrassed by Georgia the previous week and then having a horrible call against us. The 3 games before that 2015: we jumped to an early 14-0 lead then watched as two defenses tried to replicate 3-2. Auburn never had a realistic shot of winning that game as they never held the ball down only a single score after being down 14-0. 2013: was Horseshoe firmly up ass Auburn. Beat on a last minute TD pass. Missed FG and 2 pt conversion early cost us down the line. 2011: I think we all saw the chain. As a Raiders fan that one angers me more than the Index Card vs. Cowboys.

[Jack Lambert]

This should be fun you 2 tangling up


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNIfKjCEPq4

[Homedawg]

Not really. We got blown out in 2017, but we won a loseable game there in 2015, and in 2013 and 2011, we took 6-6 teams over there and played much better Aubutn teams down to the wire.

That doesn't mean we'll win or overperform this year, but there's no data to back up the idea that we tend to underperform over there.

Our record against them on the road, like against any school in the west is pretty bad. Tough to win on the road in this league.

[dawgday166]

Our record against them on the road, like against any school in the west is pretty bad. Tough to win on the road in this league.

Awww ... That's a Mullen excuse. NO excuses especially Mullen excuses. ****

[dantheman4248]

Our record against them on the road, like against any school in the west is pretty bad. Tough to win on the road in this league.

Except our records at home against those teams are similar if maybe slightly better. Historically we are not very good, but what happened in the 70s and 80s doesn’t mean that we play bad in that stadium in the 10s’

[Homedawg]

Except our records at home against those teams are similar if maybe slightly better. Historically we are not very good, but what happened in the 70s and 80s doesn’t mean that we play bad in that stadium in the 10s’

OK for this decade we are 3-2 at home vs them 1-3 on the road for the sake of comparison

[dantheman4248]

OK for this decade we are 3-2 at home vs them 1-3 on the road for the sake of comparison

lol This isn’t about if we play them better at home or away. That’s obvious. It’s about do we play any worse there in comparison to our other road trips in division. BDS and Death Valley are worse. Jordan Hare doesn’t have juju on us like it does Alabama or Georgia.

[Coursesuper]

lol This isn’t about if we play them better at home or away. That’s obvious. It’s about do we play any worse there in comparison to our other road trips in division. BDS and Death Valley are worse. Jordan Hare doesn’t have juju on us like it does Alabama or Georgia.

How many times have you been to Jordan Hare? And how many times to the others, like the rest of the league? And have you attended any games in these stadiums without MSU playing in them?

[dantheman4248]

How many times have you been to Jordan Hare? And how many times to the others, like the rest of the league? And have you attended any games in these stadiums without MSU playing in them?

Jordan Hare: 2 times. ‘13 and ‘15. never w/o us.

BDS: too many. no thanks. a few w/o us.

Death Valley: again too many. hooray for ‘14 and we still almost ****ed that up. a few w/o us.

oxfart: never when we didn’t play. last year might have been the most satisfying though. any home field advantage they had feels like it’s completely gone.

never been to ark or aTm.

[Coursesuper]

Jordan Hare: 2 times. ‘13 and ‘15. never w/o us.

BDS: too many. no thanks. a few w/o us.

Death Valley: again too many. hooray for ‘14 and we still almost ****ed that up. a few w/o us.

oxfart: never when we didn’t play. last year might have been the most satisfying though. any home field advantage they had feels like it’s completely gone.

never been to ark or aTm.

I have been in every stadium in the league minus Mizzou, been to Bammer vs Auburn in Ttown and Auburn and I see your assessment of Jordan Hare as way off, it may not be as bad in your view because they are a relatively nice bunch but that place is a tough tough place to play. Especially with a true Freshman QB playing in his first road game.

You should try Fla vs Fla State in Tallahassee, that gets ugly.

[dantheman4248]

I have been in every stadium in the league minus Mizzou, been to Bammer vs Auburn in Ttown and Auburn and I see your assessment of Jordan Hare as way off, it may not be as bad in your view because they are a relatively nice bunch but that place is a tough tough place to play. Especially with a true Freshman QB playing in his first road game.

You should try Fla vs Fla State in Tallahassee, that gets ugly.

My assessment is that when it’s the Iron Bowl or DSOR, the JH juju gets turned to 13 out of 10. For everyone else it seems like a 7 or 8 (which compared to BDS 10, DV 11 is where I draw my conclusions at). It’s not an easy place to play but I feel like it’s easier for us than BDS or DV. Can’t speak on aTm cause I haven’t been there personally but second hand accounts JH is about even with that.

[Coursesuper]

My assessment is that when it’s the Iron Bowl or DSOR, the JH juju gets turned to 13 out of 10. For everyone else it seems like a 7 or 8 (which compared to BDS 10, DV 11 is where I draw my conclusions at). It’s not an easy place to play but I feel like it’s easier for us than BDS or DV. Can’t speak on aTm cause I haven’t been there personally but second hand accounts JH is about even with that.

You can't say that without having been there now can you? Anything else is just a guess on your presented as fact. But you are just going to argue to argue so you have to go back on drunk protocol.

[I seen it dawg]

It's amazing

[dantheman4248]

You can't say that without having been there now can you? Anything else is just a guess on your presented as fact. But you are just going to argue to argue so you have to go back on drunk protocol.

There is an invention they created called TV. Followed by the internet. You don?t have to be presently there to watch these games. In your mind unless you have a time machine you shouldn?t be able to rank teams.

And I?m not arguing with you. Not swaying you. Simply stating how I?ve come to my conclusions compared to yours. If you have different ones so be it. It?s not an argument.

Stop agitating yourself reading sunshine and roses posts. It seems you?re confounding with me.

and @ ISID, it?s funny you keep saying for me to ignore others while others should ignore 007 yet I feel like the only ignoring going on here is me ignoring the rainbow filled bs.

[Pollodawg]

Not really. We got blown out in 2017, but we won a loseable game there in 2015, and in 2013 and 2011, we took 6-6 teams over there and played much better Aubutn teams down to the wire.

That doesn't mean we'll win or overperform this year, but there's no data to back up the idea that we tend to underperform over there.

2009-blowout
2011-Pick six to open the game. Our Massive QB gets stopped cold by a smaller safety on the goal line to tie.
2013?Blew a lead. Tho this was Dak?s first real start. I?ll give it a pass
15 beat an awful Auburn team and only put up three in the second half.
17 beat down city.

[I seen it dawg]

There is an invention they created called TV. Followed by the internet. You don?t have to be presently there to watch these games. In your mind unless you have a time machine you shouldn?t be able to rank teams.

And I?m not arguing with you. Not swaying you. Simply stating how I?ve come to my conclusions compared to yours. If you have different ones so be it. It?s not an argument.

Stop agitating yourself reading sunshine and roses posts. It seems you?re confounding with me.

and @ ISID, it?s funny you keep saying for me to ignore others while others should ignore 007 yet I feel like the only ignoring going on here is me ignoring the rainbow filled bs.

Ok

[Coursesuper]

There is an invention they created called TV. Followed by the internet. You don?t have to be presently there to watch these games. In your mind unless you have a time machine you shouldn?t be able to rank teams.

And I?m not arguing with you. Not swaying you. Simply stating how I?ve come to my conclusions compared to yours. If you have different ones so be it. It?s not an argument.

Stop agitating yourself reading sunshine and roses posts. It seems you?re confounding with me.

and @ ISID, it?s funny you keep saying for me to ignore others while others should ignore 007 yet I feel like the only ignoring going on here is me ignoring the rainbow filled bs.

You are literally to stupid to actually know how stupid you really are.

[Pollodawg]

You are literally to stupid to actually know how stupid you really are.

#too. You’re too stupid to........


Oh, never mind.

[Coach34]

They are alot better than us and one of the 10 best teams in the country. Dont waste Gay in a game we wont win

[dantheman4248]

You are literally to stupid to actually know how stupid you really are.

Irony

[Coursesuper]

#too. You’re too stupid to........


Oh, never mind.

You're correct, thanks. Typing in a hurry due too idiots.

[RougeDawg]

2009-blowout
2011-Pick six to open the game. Our Massive QB gets stopped cold by a smaller safety on the goal line to tie.
2013?Blew a lead. Tho this was Dak?s first real start. I?ll give it a pass
15 beat an awful Auburn team and only put up three in the second half.
17 beat down city.

2011 was stolen by referees. I was there. This is not debatable.

[Quaoarsking]

2009-blowout
2011-Pick six to open the game. Our Massive QB gets stopped cold by a smaller safety on the goal line to tie.
2013?Blew a lead. Tho this was Dak?s first real start. I?ll give it a pass
15 beat an awful Auburn team and only put up three in the second half.
17 beat down city.

So you agree with me. On average, we don't perform in that stadium any worse than the talent gap between the teams suggests we would in an SEC road game. Very small sample size for sure, and nothing from a prior year necessarily means anything for 2019 anyway, but there are recent examples of both overperforming and underperforming relative to expectations at Auburn.

When looking back on the full seasons (not necessarily what they were on gameday before we knew how good or bad the teams were), we basically met expectations in 2009 and 2015, exceeded them in 2011 and 2013 (greatly, as that Auburn team was a few seconds from a national title and we were 6-6), and failed to meet them in 2017. We also greatly exceeded expectations in 2007 when Croom beat them and they finished ranked in the top 15 anyway.