Kylin Hill

[TaleofTwoDogs]

Kylin is #3 on the NCAA top rushing list thru week 3. The downer is that his longest run is only 22 yards which is the lowest of the Top 10 rushers (even below the Top 20). Is this because he takes on contact when he runs or have our opponents just stacked the box to stop Kylin? Would love to see him break a 60 yarder against KY.


TOP TEN RUSHERS IN FBS week 3

RK PLAYER TEAM ATT YDS YDS/ATT LONG TD

1 Chuba Hubbard OKST 66 521 7.9 75 7
2 Charles Williams UNLV 50 455 9.1 78 6
3 Kylin Hill MSU 65 431 6.6 22 2
4 J.K. Dobbins OSU 60 425 7.1 60 4
5 Cam Akers FSU 69 387 5.6 38 3
6 Zack Moss UTAH 57 373 6.5 39 4
7 Jalen Hurts OKLA 38 373 9.8 52 4
8 Khalil Herbert KU 36 357 9.9 82 2
9 Benny LeMay CHAR 46 351 7.6 65 4
10 JaTarvious Whitlow AUB 64 341 5.3 39

[Todd4State]

His big runs are probably coming.

[Bdawg]

I would say he's getting crowded and teams are really keying on him. Also a lot of his runs seem to be inside reads more so than outside for some reason.

[timotheus]

Joe allows the D to dictate the offense.

[Bdawg]

Joe allows the D to dictate the offense.

This is something I'm afraid of. All the defense has to do is show a look(while Joe calls in a play) different than what they are actually running. So the play Joe calls could be against "the look" the defense is showing.

[dawgday166]

He's not half the RB JRob was ... in any aspect of the game. Wish he were.

[dawgs]

He's averaging 6.6 ypc, so he's not getting stacked up or bottled up, it's just that any given 3 game span a guy may not bust a big run even if averaging a robust 6.6 ypc.

[Lord McBuckethead]

JRob wasn't half the running back people on here make him out to be. Ballard, Dixon, Norwood, and Aeris were all better.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Hill.is better than JRob.

[RougeDawg]

I would say he's getting crowded and teams are really keying on him. Also a lot of his runs seem to be inside reads more so than outside for some reason.

Keying on him is an understatement. Our opponents know they can show one defense pre snap, change after snap, disrupt our receivers routes/timing and leave 7-8 men in the box to stop the run. It?s been happening for 1.25 seasons and we keep doing the same stupid shit. 5 year olds with a 3 year old reading comprehension level can figure it out. What do you think college d coordinators can figure out?

[msbulldog]

Funny that he's 2 spots above Cam Akers, who was rated higher than him coming out of HS.

[BhamDawg205]

Get back to me when Hill stops getting our QBs killed. He's either selfish if he's not getting the ball or doesn't know his assignments on pass plays. So right now he's an incomplete RB.

[Bdawg]

He's not half the RB JRob was ... in any aspect of the game. Wish he were.

Sorry but I have to strongly disagree.

[timotheus]

Hill's QB pass protection is the most glaring thing I witness about him at the games. He wants to be real flashy all bout Kylin when the ball goes his way but not so much in different situations. Oh he is Joes guy because he sat aeris down last year and wouldn't have used him at all til Kylin was injured. I yhink this is due to Kylin being the closest thing to saquan barkley that we have and he just keeps thinking that kylin will turn into saquan just as he keeps thinking this offense will click and actually work and be consistent and productive.

[Bdawg]

Keying on him is an understatement. Our opponents know they can show one defense pre snap, change after snap, disrupt our receivers routes/timing and leave 7-8 men in the box to stop the run. It?s been happening for 1.25 seasons and we keep doing the same stupid shit. 5 year olds with a 3 year old reading comprehension level can figure it out. What do you think college d coordinators can figure out?

Yep. Basically said the same thing in post #5

[timotheus]

Send one more than the O can account for and watch the results. We sat with a retired successful high school coach and one current high school this week and watch the offense and the KSU D. Both these coaches are not msu fans and have not attended a game, and have just watched bits and pieces on TV and they both said exactly the same thing as you Bdawg. the O is smoke and mirrors that is easily shot down when the D can leave 7-8 in the box at the snap. I believe this is where Joe believes the offense can then exploit the D with an explosive play downfield and score. An offense may get lucky and have a completion on a scramble which is basically a busted play and does deviate for normal QB progression.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Kylin is an unwilling blocker. That is what makes him a bad blocker. He also lacks top end speed. But he's hard to bring down. Certainly teams are keying on him. It will be interesting to see what NFL teams think of him. Parts of his game scream late first round. Other parts of his game scream undrafted free agent.

[timotheus]

I hope him the best but I doubt he loves contact enough to make it as a special teams player at the next level.

[msstate7]

Sorry but I have to strongly disagree.

Looked up stats (jrob 2014 vs hill in 2019)...

JROb: 190 rushes 1203 yds 6.33 yds/rush 11 td
28 rec 370 yds 13.21 yds/rec 1 td

Hill: 65 rushes 431 yds 6.63 yds/rush 2 td
5 rec 49 yds 9.8 yds/rec 0 td

[dawgday166]

Looked up stats (jrob 2014 vs hill in 2019)...

JROb: 190 rushes 1203 yds 6.33 yds/rush 11 td
28 rec 370 yds 13.21 yds/rec 1 td

Hill: 65 rushes 431 yds 6.63 yds/rush 2 td
5 rec 49 yds 9.8 yds/rec 0 td

Wow ... Hill much better *** The Ds he's faced are ever bit as tough as the SEC Ds in 2014 ... which I believe was the SECWs strongest year top-to-bottom. And KY wasn't no slouch that year either. We did play a bad Vandy team tho, but Mullen didn't run JRob much in that game. My theory on that was JRob half-assed a block against Bama which caused Dak to either get sacked or make a bad throw, and Mullen was pissed at him. Go look at stats ... JRob didn't get the ball much the last 2 games of that year.

JRob was average blocker but he would block. Hill won't. More to being a back in SEC & NFL than just running the ball. To add something ... JRob didn't make it in the NFL. JRob IMO much more like Emmitt Smith than Hill. Low center of gravity, very tough to bring down, exceptional vision. Not as fast tho. Not saying JRob is like Emmitt Smith but he's much closer than Hill to him.

[viverlibre]

Joe allows the D to dictate the offense.

^^^^this

[NCDawg]

Keying on him is an understatement. Our opponents know they can show one defense pre snap, change after snap, disrupt our receivers routes/timing and leave 7-8 men in the box to stop the run. It?s been happening for 1.25 seasons and we keep doing the same stupid shit. 5 year olds with a 3 year old reading comprehension level can figure it out. What do you think college d coordinators can figure out?

I agree. I don't really understand what good the "check with me" orders do. The defense can change anytime they want to.

[Jack Lambert]

I agree. I don't really understand what good the "check with me" orders do. The defense can change anytime they want to.

When he does change plays all I see is the running back move to the other side.

[R2Dawg]

JRob wasn't half the running back people on here make him out to be. Ballard, Dixon, Norwood, and Aeris were all better.

Agree 100%. Love JRob but he is down the list. Hill is way above JRob. In no particular order but all above Jrob I'd put Ballard, Norwood, Dixion, Aeris, Miller, James Johnson, Keifer Magee, K.Hill. There are others I'd have to consider equal to JRob - Kenny Roberts, Michael Davis, Michael Haddix, and I'm sure some older ones that I didn't watch play.

[KOdawg1]

He's not half the RB JRob was ... in any aspect of the game. Wish he were.
Lol what

[RiverCityDawg]

Agree 100%. Love JRob but he is down the list. Hill is way above JRob. In no particular order but all above Jrob I'd put Ballard, Norwood, Dixion, Aeris, Miller, James Johnson, Keifer Magee, K.Hill. There are others I'd have to consider equal to JRob - Kenny Roberts, Michael Davis, Michael Haddix, and I'm sure some older ones that I didn't watch play.

I would put JRob behind Boobie, JJ Johnson, Norwood, Ballard, Magee, Dicenzo, Packer and Haddix, but ahead of Aeris, Kenny Roberts, Kevin Bouie and Michael Davis.

Hill is in the first group ahead of JRob easily and could be at the top depending on how this year goes.

[Todd4State]

Wow ... Hill much better *** The Ds he's faced are ever bit as tough as the SEC Ds in 2014 ... which I believe was the SECWs strongest year top-to-bottom. And KY wasn't no slouch that year either. We did play a bad Vandy team tho, but Mullen didn't run JRob much in that game. My theory on that was JRob half-assed a block against Bama which caused Dak to either get sacked or make a bad throw, and Mullen was pissed at him. Go look at stats ... JRob didn't get the ball much the last 2 games of that year.

JRob was average blocker but he would block. Hill won't. More to being a back in SEC & NFL than just running the ball. To add something ... JRob didn't make it in the NFL. JRob IMO much more like Emmitt Smith than Hill. Low center of gravity, very tough to bring down, exceptional vision. Not as fast tho. Not saying JRob is like Emmitt Smith but he's much closer than Hill to him.

No fan base values and appreciates running backs blocking more than MSU fans.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

No fan base values and appreciates running backs blocking more than MSU fans.

That is probably true.

[WinningIsRelentless]

He still hasn?t blocked anyone yet!

[Scared_Hitless]

Shocking running down one of our own again. We have the worst fans sometimes.

[timotheus]

Facts are facts sir. Kylin is an Olay type pass blocker which often results in a QB being hit unless he chunks it early in his progression.

[BhamDawg205]

If we see everyone sees it. NFL scouts view his non blocking as a negative and SEC DCs see it as a positive.

[timotheus]

spot on