Raider LB says Abram too aggressive in practice

[starkvegasdawg]

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/mississippi-state-football/too-aggressive-even-vontaze-burfict-says-former-mississippi-state-s-johnathan-abram-needs-to-hold-back/?fbclid=IwAR13JqVvjveNrtUv-hOJsGmHwCgH0_dPI6BhrrM8e4pOzg3Ug-WfeyQUl3s

Going to miss his head hunting in the secondary this year.

[TXDawg]

Make sure you read to the bottom and check out his INT.

[ShotgunDawg]

Gruden loves that shit

[Jack Lambert]

****ing *****. So what he is telling us is that he doesn't go full speed in practice. You play like you practice.

[msstate7]

Abram will get a fine this year

[DownwardDawg]

They better get used to it.

[Todd4State]

Bennie Braswell agrees.**

I absolutely loved that he bitch slapped AJ last year.

[msbulldog]

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/mississippi-state-football/too-aggressive-even-vontaze-burfict-says-former-mississippi-state-s-johnathan-abram-needs-to-hold-back/?fbclid=IwAR13JqVvjveNrtUv-hOJsGmHwCgH0_dPI6BhrrM8e4pOzg3Ug-WfeyQUl3s

Going to miss his head hunting in the secondary this year.

B. Cole will take up the slack for you, Vegas!

[Coach34]

B. Cole will take up the slack for you, Vegas!

Elitedawgs say we wont miss 1st round pick Abram. Cole is better. (He's really not)

[msstate7]

Elitedawgs say we wont miss 1st round pick Abram. Cole is better. (He's really not)

1976-2018 nfl drafts, we had 4 defensive 1st round picks

2019 draft, we had 3 defensive 1st round picks.

Won't miss a beat...

[Coach34]

And that doesnt even take into account McLaurin who was a 3 year starter and the impact he had.

[DancingRabbit]

Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
Elitedawgs say we wont miss 1st round pick Abram. Cole is better. (He's really not)


1976-2018 nfl drafts, we had 4 defensive 1st round picks

2019 draft, we had 3 defensive 1st round picks.

Won't miss a beat...

Gloom and Doom represent!

Turn an Abram attaboy into we're gonna suck.

I haven't seen this "we won't miss a beat" on defense movement here.

[Coach34]

Gloom and Doom represent!

Turn an Abram attaboy into we're gonna suck.

I haven't seen this "we won't miss a beat" on defense movement here.

I'm older now and dont have the drive to make people look stupid as much as I did in the past. But there has been numerous people here that have said we will be just as good at Safety this year as we were last year. They have also said Cole will be better than Abram.

There is a thread on this very page that talks about how we will be better at LB and in the Secondary than we were last year- exactly how is that not "missing a beat"? They are literally saying we will be better on D at 7 of the 11 positions on D than we were last year and also pumping Rivers as being as good as Sweat. You need to read more. This is not a straw man post

[nsvltndog]

Didnt we end his first Spring game early b/c he headhunted one of our receivers and knocked him out? We are going to miss him patrolling the secondary and blowing plays up all over the field.

[TXDawg]

I'm older now and dont have the drive to make people look stupid as much as I did in the past. But there has been numerous people here that have said we will be just as good at Safety this year as we were last year. They have also said Cole will be better than Abram.

There is a thread on this very page that talks about how we will be better at LB and in the Secondary than we were last year- exactly how is that not "missing a beat"? They are literally saying we will be better on D at 7 of the 11 positions on D than we were last year and also pumping Rivers as being as good as Sweat. You need to read more. This is not a straw man post

Coffee must’ve slowed you down, eh?

[msstate7]

Didnt we end his first Spring game early b/c he headhunted one of our receivers and knocked him out? We are going to miss him patrolling the secondary and blowing plays up all over the field.

He murdered a walk on RB, I think

[Coach34]

Coffee must’ve slowed you down, eh?

No- turning 50 did

[Dawg2003]

I've always wondered if Abram will hurt himself at some point. That always makes me a little nervous about him.

[bulldawg28]

Elitedawgs say we wont miss 1st round pick Abram. Cole is better. (He's really not)

Cole is absolutely the player Abrams is. One is a big hitter the other is a play maker

[bulldawg28]

And that doesnt even take into account McLaurin who was a 3 year starter and the impact he had.

What impact? Shoop stopped him from being burnt toast all year and looking in the backfield.

[Coach34]

Cole is absolutely the player Abrams is. One is a big hitter the other is a play maker

Here you go- 1st poster jumps in to prove my point

[Coach34]

What impact? Shoop stopped him from being burnt toast all year and looking in the backfield.

Same poster says we wont miss a 3 year starter that was doing well with the NY Giants until a foot fracture 2 days ago.

[bulldawg28]

Here you go- 1st poster jumps in to prove my point

Nothing has been proven they haven't played a down this year.

[bulldawg28]

Same poster says we wont miss a 3 year starter that was doing well with the NY Giants until a foot fracture 2 days ago.

Giving up long touchdowns and being out of position will not be hard to replace. Shoop is the only reason he has an opportunity in the NFL. Landrews or Morgan will do as much if not more at the safety position.

[Coach34]

Landrews or Morgan will do as much if not more at the safety position.

So there we go- we are better at Safety in 2019 than we were in 2018 according to Elite. (No we arent)

You guys have already declared us better at CB- so our Secondary is better in 2019 than 2018 = not missing a beat
Our starting LB's return = not missing a beat

So that leaves us at the DL- and supposedly we wont drop much if at all there. So Dancing Rabbit- here is your thread about the defense not missing a beat in 2019. We should be a Top 5 D in 2019

[99jc]

So there we go- we are better at Safety in 2019 than we were in 2018 according to Elite. (No we arent)

You guys have already declared us better at CB- so our Secondary is better in 2019 than 2018 = not missing a beat
Our starting LB's return = not missing a beat

So that leaves us at the DL- and supposedly we wont drop much if at all there. So Dancing Rabbit- here is your thread about the defense not missing a beat in 2019. We should be a Top 5 D in 2019

LOL...34 you can't reason with sunshine pumpers.

[Coach34]

LOL...34 you can't reason with sunshine pumpers.

No shit. And I agree we will still be good on defense. But we were great in 2018. Great. We dont have the talent or depth to be GREAT in 2019. I just dont see a top 10 D in 2019.

[Commercecomet24]

We're going to have some drop off just on the talent we lost but I believe we'll be a top 25 type defense. We're not as deep as last year but we do have some talented young players. And I'm gonna miss Abram blowing up people especially the bears!

[msstate7]

We're going to have some drop off just on the talent we lost but I believe we'll be a top 25 type defense. We're not as deep as last year but we do have some talented young players. And I'm gonna miss Abram blowing up people especially the bears!

Top 25 is a damn good defense; it's also a massive drop.

[DancingRabbit]

So there we go- we are better at Safety in 2019 than we were in 2018 according to Elite. (No we arent)

You guys have already declared us better at CB- so our Secondary is better in 2019 than 2018 = not missing a beat
Our starting LB's return = not missing a beat

So that leaves us at the DL- and supposedly we wont drop much if at all there. So Dancing Rabbit- here is your thread about the defense not missing a beat in 2019. We should be a Top 5 D in 2019

Who is saying we'll be top 5? That would qualify as "not missing a beat". I haven't seen any poster here say that. Got a link?

I don't think Bill Connelly posts here. He's the only one I've seen that's calling us a top 5 defense this year.

[DancingRabbit]

Top 25 is a damn good defense; it's also a massive drop.

Back to a Grantham level defense?

[starkvegasdawg]

Back to a Grantham level defense?
Just so we don't go back to a Chris Wilson level defense.

[msstate7]

Back to a Grantham level defense?

Grantham was 10th. I'll be beyond thrilled if we stay top 10.

[DancingRabbit]

Grantham was 10th. I'll be beyond thrilled if we stay top 10.

We were 24th.

20.9 points a game

[msstate7]

We were 24th.

20.9 points a game

I always use total defense. Neither is perfect, but all points aren't given up on defense while all yards are

[MarketingBully]

Top 25 is a damn good defense; it's also a massive drop.

Based on Coach Shoop’s history, we should at least have a Top 25 defense. If we have a Top 25 defense and we make the improvements we should on offense, we should be able to have an 8-4 type season and I’m good with that.

[Commercecomet24]

Top 25 is a damn good defense; it's also a massive drop.

Yeah it is but it's also good enough to win a bus load of games if our offense is better this year, which I believe it will be. If we have top 25 or better defenses every year I'm good with that.

[bulldawg28]

So there we go- we are better at Safety in 2019 than we were in 2018 according to Elite. (No we arent)

You guys have already declared us better at CB- so our Secondary is better in 2019 than 2018 = not missing a beat
Our starting LB's return = not missing a beat

So that leaves us at the DL- and supposedly we wont drop much if at all there. So Dancing Rabbit- here is your thread about the defense not missing a beat in 2019. We should be a Top 5 D in 2019

It's amazing you take a safety position statement and apply it to an entire defense. You also were the same person that bashed Mclaurin for constantly getting beat. Now we're going to have a dropoff as in a safety giving up more touchdowns and more busted coverages? Get real. Shoop does a great job of having people in position and we have legitimate SEC talent in the position. If anything McClaurin played his best year under Shoop who taught him eye discipline and kept him from manning up with WR'S. The safety position will be fine. We actually have SEC players too at Mississippi state.

[HoopsDawg]

Top 25 is a damn good defense; it's also a massive drop.

There's a pretty good chance we will never have a defense like 2018's again.

[bulldawg28]

There's a pretty good chance we will never have a defense like 2018's again.

It will happen again.

[R2Dawg]

Yep loved the swagger than Abram gave out team. Who is gonna bring that this year?

Our D didn't take crap off Bama there last year; that is what you got to have. Be the intimidator not intimidated.

[msstate7]

It will happen again.

Maybe, but #1 in total and #2 in scoring will be extremely tough to match. That's basically only Alabama territory

[R2Dawg]

Yeah it is but it's also good enough to win a bus load of games if our offense is better this year, which I believe it will be. If we have top 25 or better defenses every year I'm good with that.

I like total D as well but the bend don't break philosophy we had many of those years skew the total D # too and favor the points argument.

[msstate7]

I like total D as well but the bend don't break philosophy we had many of those years skew the total D # too and favor the points argument.

Maybe an avg of the 2 is more representative...
2018 = 1.5
2017 = 18.0
2016 = 101.5
2015 = 46
2014 = 54.5
2013 = 25.5
2012 = 43.5
2011 = 25.5
2010 = 30

To give you an idea of how special last season was, here's shoop's avg of total and scoring his career...

2018 = 1.5
2017 = 82.5
2016 = 81.5
2015 = 20.0
2014 = 4.5
2013 = 33.5
2012 = 17.0
2011 = 23.5

[Scared_Hitless]

I think we stay on the cusp of a top 20 average for both categories, but I do expect some drop off. Needs our offensive production to rise into the top 30s and we should have a nice balanced team.

[Covercorner2]

We don't have a 1st rounder (at least not on paper) right now at safety, but we do have a guy (Brian Cole) that could approach that level if he plays to his potential. He is not as physical as Abram, but he has the size, measurables, and better ball skills (he returns kicks). I could see him having more impact in the turnover/return department. Even if he doesn't reach that potential, the combination of Landrews, Peters, Morgan, Murphy and others gives us more depth at safety than last year, and those guys should at the very least be as good as McLaurin. McLaurin wasn't even drafted. Hyping him up is much like when C34 acted like we lost a lot in Chris Rayford. People forget that in the UF game last year when Abram went out we had to replace him with a walk-on. (Stephen Adegoke) Guess what? Mullen exploited that and he gave up the only TD in that game on the HB pass. Instead of bringing in a walk-on this year, we have guys like Peters, Morgan, Murphy, etc. for depth.

Also, at CB, we may not have the depth we had last year, but we have a top end talent in Dantzler and Smitherman who played great according to all metrics. I also expect either one of Jarrian Jones or Emerson (or both) to play a role and play it well. At least those have been the reports from the summer.

All that being said, it seems like a wash in the secondary to me. Combine that with bringing back ALL of our LBs who were good last year and you have another great back 7. Obviously DT is the concern, but losing one top talent in the secondary does not mean we are automatically going to be worse in the secondary. Dantzler may be the most non dispensable guy on our defense. We just can't afford to lose him.

[bulldawg28]

Maybe, but #1 in total and #2 in scoring will be extremely tough to match. That's basically only Alabama territory

Anything that's already happened can be repeated.

[Jack Lambert]

We don't have a 1st rounder (at least not on paper) right now at safety, but we do have a guy (Brian Cole) that could approach that level if he plays to his potential. He is not as physical as Abram, but he has the size, measurables, and better ball skills (he returns kicks). I could see him having more impact in the turnover/return department. Even if he doesn't reach that potential, the combination of Landrews, Peters, Morgan, Murphy and others gives us more depth at safety than last year, and those guys should at the very least be as good as McLaurin. McLaurin wasn't even drafted. Hyping him up is much like when C34 acted like we lost a lot in Chris Rayford. People forget that in the UF game last year when Abram went out we had to replace him with a walk-on. (Stephen Adegoke) Guess what? Mullen exploited that and he gave up the only TD in that game on the HB pass. Instead of bringing in a walk-on this year, we have guys like Peters, Morgan, Murphy, etc. for depth.

Also, at CB, we may not have the depth we had last year, but we have a top end talent in Dantzler and Smitherman who played great according to all metrics. I also expect either one of Jarrian Jones or Emerson (or both) to play a role and play it well. At least those have been the reports from the summer.

All that being said, it seems like a wash in the secondary to me. Combine that with bringing back ALL of our LBs who were good last year and you have another great back 7. Obviously DT is the concern, but losing one top talent in the secondary does not mean we are automatically going to be worse in the secondary. Dantzler may be the most non dispensable guy on our defense. We just can't afford to lose him.

Was Abram's a 1st rounder last summer?

[Covercorner2]

Was Abram's a 1st rounder last summer?

Nope

[msstate7]

Was Abram's a 1st rounder last summer?

You predicting Cole will be? Just wondering what the point is

[msstate7]

Safeties taken from the sec in 1st round aren't that common; there's been 9 taken since the 2010 draft. Predicting we have 2 in a row is pretty bold. Alabama has never had a safety taken in the 1st round in back-to-back years

[Covercorner2]

Safeties taken from the sec in 1st round aren't that common; there's been 9 taken since the 2010 draft. Predicting we have 2 in a row is pretty bold. Alabama has never had a safety taken in the 1st round in back-to-back years

I'm not expecting Cole to be a first rounder, but I do think he can play well enough to the point that his production coupled with the other guys would equal a wash with last year's safety group.

[msstate7]

I'm not expecting Cole to be a first rounder, but I do think he can play well enough to the point that his production coupled with the other guys would equal a wash with last year's safety group.

That's certainly possible, but last year's group had a huge advantage with a premier inside and a outside rusher.

[R2Dawg]

Maybe an avg of the 2 is more representative...
2018 = 1.5
2017 = 18.0
2016 = 101.5
2015 = 46
2014 = 54.5
2013 = 25.5
2012 = 43.5
2011 = 25.5
2010 = 30

To give you an idea of how special last season was, here's shoop's avg of total and scoring his career...

2018 = 1.5
2017 = 82.5
2016 = 81.5
2015 = 20.0
2014 = 4.5
2013 = 33.5
2012 = 17.0
2011 = 23.5

Yikes, Sirmon was so bad. That is some condemning evidence to not hire him as DC. Shoop has a good record on the other end.

[Covercorner2]

That's certainly possible, but last year's group had a huge advantage with a premier inside and a outside rusher.

I agree, but most of this thread is about the secondary, and whether or not there will be a big drop-off, if any at all. I don't think there will be.

I would think everyone is in agreement that our DL will not be as good. But, similar production out of the secondary coupled with better LB play may offset that drop off...

[msstate7]

I agree, but most of this thread is about the secondary, and whether or not there will be a big drop-off, if any at all. I don't think there will be.

I would think everyone is in agreement that our DL will not be as good. But, similar production out of the secondary coupled with better LB play may offset that drop off...

You don't think sweat and Simmons harassing QBs last season helped our back 7? I do. I think losing that elite pass rush will hurt our back 7 this year... not sure how much though

[fishwater99]

There's a pretty good chance we will never have a defense like 2018's again.

I agree, it was a once in a lifetime defense, that Joe wasted..

[fishwater99]

Anything that's already happened can be repeated.

Really...

[Covercorner2]

You don't think sweat and Simmons harassing QBs last season helped our back 7? I do. I think losing that elite pass rush will hurt our back 7 this year... not sure how much though

Sure it helped. But bringing back all the LBs, two top CBs in the SEC and talent at Safety will help this year's defense, too. Again, I see a wash in the secondary, improvement at LB and a decline at DL. The amount of decline in the DL, especially at DT, is going to be much more of a deciding factor than the back 7.

[DancingRabbit]

I agree, it was a once in a lifetime defense, that Joe wasted..

That Dan wasted.

[BiscuitEater]

I'm older now and dont have the drive to make people look stupid as much as I did in the past.

In the history of the internet, NOBODY has looked 'more stupid' than Coach34 and his 'fire Stans' and MSU will have great bball coaches 'fighting to come to MSU.' NOBODY .. ever!!

[Commercecomet24]

Anything that's already happened can be repeated.

Yep don't know why this is so hard to understand.

[msstate7]

And we could make a final 4 again, but we haven't came close to doing it again in 23 years. Possible and probable are totally different things

[BuckyIsAB****]

I'm older now and dont have the drive to make people look stupid as much as I did in the past. But there has been numerous people here that have said we will be just as good at Safety this year as we were last year. They have also said Cole will be better than Abram.

There is a thread on this very page that talks about how we will be better at LB and in the Secondary than we were last year- exactly how is that not "missing a beat"? They are literally saying we will be better on D at 7 of the 11 positions on D than we were last year and also pumping Rivers as being as good as Sweat. You need to read more. This is not a straw man post

I am telling you now we wont drop far in the secondary. We will be better at CB and S we wont see a big decline. You cant play both sides of the argument, you cant say ''Moorhead will never have more talent than he has now'' then say ''We lost too much at X position''. CJ Morgan Walker, Jaquarius Landrews, Brian Cole, Marcus Murphy that is a damn good safety group. Surely you cant even argue with that statement

[BrunswickDawg]

And we could make a final 4 again, but we haven't came close to doing it again in 23 years. Possible and probable are totally different things

1999 we had the #1 Rushing Defense, #4 Pass Defense, #1 Total Defense, and #6 Scoring Defense - but, yeah, it can only happen twice and never again.....

[msstate7]

1999 we had the #1 Rushing Defense, #4 Pass Defense, #1 Total Defense, and #6 Scoring Defense - but, yeah, it can only happen twice and never again.....

So every 20 years. Hell, I thought we were talking like in foreseeable future.

[BrunswickDawg]

So every 20 years. Hell, I thought we were talking like in foreseeable future.

I'm not disagreeing that it is a rare occurrence - but this "once in a lifetime" outlook is a little tiresome. If anything, it shows that when we have a legit DC we can produce top end results. Look what JLD, Grantham, & Shoop have done. Even Johnson produced a high end defense under Croom.

[BuckyIsAB****]

You dont have to be the number 1 defense in the nation statistically to be great. We may not be #1 overall like we were a year ago but I would say anything out of the top 20 or so and we probably underachieved. We will probably be at our worst on defense at the beginning of the year while the new DTs take their lumps but by october/november we should be caught up there

[Lord McBuckethead]

I am telling you now we wont drop far in the secondary. We will be better at CB and S we wont see a big decline. You cant play both sides of the argument, you cant say ''Moorhead will never have more talent than he has now'' then say ''We lost too much at X position''. CJ Morgan Walker, Jaquarius Landrews, Brian Cole, Marcus Murphy that is a damn good safety group. Surely you cant even argue with that statement

Landrews was also blowing up offenses from that same position as Abram was playing the last 4 games of last year.

[HoopsDawg]

1999 we had the #1 Rushing Defense, #4 Pass Defense, #1 Total Defense, and #6 Scoring Defense - but, yeah, it can only happen twice and never again.....

1 and 6 is not 1 and 2 if i'm not mistaken.

[bulldawg28]

1 and 6 is not 1 and 2 if i'm not mistaken.

Before 99 we were never 1 and 6. It can happen again

[Coach007]

Here you go- 1st poster jumps in to prove my point

No.. the only way to prove your point is if the secondary is indeed worse than last year or that Cole's numbers are not in line with.

[BrunswickDawg]

1 and 6 is not 1 and 2 if i'm not mistaken.

But not a lot of difference in 13.5 ppg (1999) and 13.2 ppg (2019)

[HoopsDawg]

But not a lot of difference in 13.5 ppg (1999) and 13.2 ppg (2019)

I disagree. That's a huge difference when you consider this era of fast tempo, spread offenses. And the rule changes that encourage scoring.

[Coach007]

You don't think sweat and Simmons harassing QBs last season helped our back 7? I do. I think losing that elite pass rush will hurt our back 7 this year... not sure how much though

No, I think that there are ways to get pass rush.

You and c34 seem to think every great defense for MS St has had a DE and a DT that was dominate like Sweat and Simmons. Well, let's back up just 1 year. MS ST was #10 by NCAA stats. By all measures, we were a great defense. The differences was where the attacks came from.

Simmons had 60 tackles and improved to 63.
Sweat went from 48 to 53.

Yet we had way more QBHs. We went from 30 to 50. Sweat and Simmons combined moved from 9 to 14. Before SHoop, 30 QBH with 9 coming from them, 21 from others. Last year, combined 14... Team 36.

I can talk about Passes Defended. Stayed the EXACT same... But the people who excelled were different. 2 years ago McLaurin was 12..4 this past year. Abram was about the same... BUT Shoop has a different approach, our CBs were more active. And Abram was used in a different ways. It's why his tackles jumped by about almost 30 yet McLaurin stayed the same.

We had 103 tfl this past season. 2 years ago, 86. Simmons and Sweat combined for 28 2 seasons ago, and 31 this season, yet we we had almost 20 more.

You are looking at almost the exact same players. Simmons and Sweat.. beasts. Yet from 2 years ago to last year look at the production and where the major increase came from. Adams and Rivers are going to shock some of you.


But more so than them... SHOOP is going to shock you. It's because of HIM we had the different approach that allowed other talent on the field to be in position to make plays.

[bulldawg28]

I disagree. That's a huge difference when you consider this era of fast tempo, spread offenses. And the rule changes that encourage scoring.

So your blaming the team of 99 for playing the teams on their schedule? The 99 team also played a tougher brand of defense and won the West.

[Schultzy]

A tad too aggressive against the run in the 2017 egg.

[Coach34]

No, I think that there are ways to get pass rush.

You and c34 seem to think every great defense for MS St has had a DE and a DT that was dominate like Sweat and Simmons. Well, let's back up just 1 year. MS ST was #10 by NCAA stats. By all measures, we were a great defense. The differences was where the attacks came from.

Simmons had 60 tackles and improved to 63.
Sweat went from 48 to 53.

Yet we had way more QBHs. We went from 30 to 50. Sweat and Simmons combined moved from 9 to 14. Before SHoop, 30 QBH with 9 coming from them, 21 from others. Last year, combined 14... Team 36.

I can talk about Passes Defended. Stayed the EXACT same... But the people who excelled were different. 2 years ago McLaurin was 12..4 this past year. Abram was about the same... BUT Shoop has a different approach, our CBs were more active. And Abram was used in a different ways. It's why his tackles jumped by about almost 30 yet McLaurin stayed the same.

We had 103 tfl this past season. 2 years ago, 86. Simmons and Sweat combined for 28 2 seasons ago, and 31 this season, yet we we had almost 20 more.

You are looking at almost the exact same players. Simmons and Sweat.. beasts. Yet from 2 years ago to last year look at the production and where the major increase came from. Adams and Rivers are going to shock some of you.


But more so than them... SHOOP is going to shock you. It's because of HIM we had the different approach that allowed other talent on the field to be in position to make plays.

1999- we had a dominant DL that caused havoc
2018- we had a dominant DL that caused havoc

The DL is what makes a GREAT defense. 85 Bears, late 80's Giants, Bama and LSU under Saban. The DL ultimately decides how good your D will be.

We dont have a dominant DL in 2019- we have a good DL. However, they are at best 5th in the SEC in 2019 (they arent Auburn, Bama, Georgia, or LSU good for sure) and could be as low 8th or so when it all shakes out- which isnt bad when you grade SEC DL's. This season will have to play out. Our LB's will be good and our Secondary good. But if out DT's struggle and OL guys are getting on the LB's when they didnt last year- it will cause us problems.

[HoopsDawg]

So your blaming the team of 99 for playing the teams on their schedule? The 99 team also played a tougher brand of defense and won the West.

huh? you need to buy my jump to conclusion mat.

[bulldawg28]

huh? you need to buy my jump to conclusion mat.

Not necessarily. Unless I'm misinterpreting you're saying the 99 defense wasn't as good even though the points disparity was damn near equal. The offenses/rules make no difference. The 99 team had a better secondary and more defensive line depth which would have easily transitioned into today's style of playing.