So OM is gonna run a 3-4? LOLZ

[ShotgunDawg]

This is going to be fun to watch

No doubt Mac is a better DC than Crime Dog, but has anyone ever seen a defense get better than the previous year when transitioning to a 3-4?

Does OM even have the LBs on their roster to run a 3-4?

I know Sirmon was 3-4 but what was Grantham?

[DownwardDawg]

Teams will average 12 yards per rush against them.

[ShotgunDawg]

Teams will average 12 yards per rush against them.

Yup. Sure you can blitz better out of the 3-4, but why would anyone throw?

[Homedawg]

This is going to be fun to watch

No doubt Mac is a better DC than Crime Dog, but has anyone ever seen a defense get better than the previous year when transitioning to a 3-4?

Does OM even have the LBs on their roster to run a 3-4?

I know Sirmon was 3-4 but what was Grantham?

3 man front. Never played w 4 linebackers. And I'm sure they won't either. Nobody does these days.

[Jacksondevildog]

They will be dog shit on defense again. They are undersized in key positions. Mac will be better, but that ain?t saying much. Their offensive line will also be a circus side show.

[msstate7]

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[Homedawg]

Yup. Sure you can blitz better out of the 3-4, but why would anyone throw?

They will be better. Better coaching just about everyone back and a couple of decent jucos. W that said, the LB they had sucked. Decent talent up front w Jones and Coatney. Zero depth. They have to be better. Which won't mean a lot. And will be worse on offense.

[Todd4State]

I think their defense will "look" better statistically just because they will be a running team on offense which will eat up more clock and not put their defense on the field as much.

[vv83]

3 man front. Never played w 4 linebackers. And I'm sure they won't either. Nobody does these days.

Yeah realistically I’d expect this to just be full time nickel

[Leeshouldveflanked]

JoeMo will run 50 passing plays against Ole Miss.

[Commercecomet24]

They don't have the linebackers or linebacker depth to run the 3-4. Good luck with that.

[R2Dawg]

This is going to be fun to watch

No doubt Mac is a better DC than Crime Dog, but has anyone ever seen a defense get better than the previous year when transitioning to a 3-4?

Does OM even have the LBs on their roster to run a 3-4?

I know Sirmon was 3-4 but what was Grantham?

Yep gonna be a rough year on D. They don't have the horses up front to run a 3-4 and probably not enough LB either.

[TrapGame]

I remember Grantham's first year at UGA. It was rough. And they had plenty of talent on defense. They looked lost on every play.

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[BuckyIsAB****]

Yup. Sure you can blitz better out of the 3-4, but why would anyone throw?

You can do a lot of run stunts out of it was well. Their top 2 DTs are pretty good, after that its a major drop off. They will probably be better but being better than historically bad aint saying much

[Homedawg]

They don't have the linebackers or linebacker depth to run the 3-4. Good luck with that.

Nobody runs a 3-4 today in college. Everyone is nickel. 3 man front

[Commercecomet24]

Nobody runs a 3-4 today in college. Everyone is nickel. 3 man front

True but unm has no true nose guard and not a lot of size on their dL(or depth) If they don't back that small dl up with some big lbs they're gonna get destroyed in the run game. They probably will no matter what d they run this year though lol

[DownwardDawg]

They will be worse on D than last year because of this change.

[msstate7]

They will be worse on D than last year because of this change.

They were 121st out of 130 fbs schools last year in total defense. I doubt seriously they're worse

[DownwardDawg]

They were 121st out of 130 fbs schools last year in total defense. I doubt seriously they're worse

Well, ok. You win. Lol. I had no idea they were that bad!!! Damn!!!!

[BuckyIsAB****]

Nobody runs a 3-4 today in college. Everyone is nickel. 3 man front

A 3-4 doesnt have to be the NFL version. 3 big space eaters and your OLBs are basically DEs. It can be whatever you want it to be. Grantham and Saban use it in certain situations and so does LSU and Clemson.

Shoop has some odd front he uses as well.

[ShotgunDawg]

A 3-4 doesnt have to be the NFL version. 3 big space eaters and your OLBs are basically DEs. It can be whatever you want it to be. Grantham and Saban use it in certain situations and so does LSU and Clemson.

Shoop has some odd front he uses as well.

But OM doesn't have 3 big space eaters or the LBs.

It's a really strange fit for their personnel and that's not even considering the growing pains that most teams have the 1st year with it.

[Todd4State]

But OM doesn't have 3 big space eaters or the LBs.

It's a really strange fit for their personnel and that's not even considering the growing pains that most teams have the 1st year with it.

It sounds Croom-esque. Honestly.

But then again- what do you run with what they have? I guess you might as well try to establish the system and hope for the best after you take some lumps if you are Ole Miss I guess.

[Jarius]

Macintyre's last 2 defenses at Colorado were ranked 76th and 67th and that was in one of the worst P5 leagues in the country. Their defense will be historically bad again because they don't have any talent and they play in the toughest division in college football. They are the thinnest team in the country at linebacker and just had 2 linebackers transfer out. They had a corner go in the NFL draft. They have recruited very very few difference makers on defense for the past 3 years. They will be dog shit again on defense and they will take a large step back offensively. Their o/u is 4.5 or 5 at every sportsbook for a reason.

[Commercecomet24]

But OM doesn't have 3 big space eaters or the LBs.

It's a really strange fit for their personnel and that's not even considering the growing pains that most teams have the 1st year with it.

This is what I see as well. You look at their roster and their DL is paper thin depth wise with no big bodies and their lb corp is even thinner. Maybe they think their dbs are their strength and want to get more of them on the field, but with the dl and lb corp they have they are going to get destroyed in the run game. I guess it's what Mcintyre knows and to be honest I really don't think it matters what d they run they're going to have massive problems for a couple years at the very least.

[Homedawg]

A 3-4 doesnt have to be the NFL version. 3 big space eaters and your OLBs are basically DEs. It can be whatever you want it to be. Grantham and Saban use it in certain situations and so does LSU and Clemson.

Shoop has some odd front he uses as well.

I get it. My point is, it's 3-4 concepts not 4 linebackers like people are referring to.

[TALL DAWG]

They will be worse on D than last year because of this change.

And, they?ll quickly go back to a 4-3 in week 2 or 3...

[BuckyIsAB****]

But OM doesn't have 3 big space eaters or the LBs.

It's a really strange fit for their personnel and that's not even considering the growing pains that most teams have the 1st year with it.

My point was you dont have to have 3 big space eaters to run a 3-4. You can have smaller quicker guys and slant a lot and it can work.

[dawgs]

Macintyre's last 2 defenses at Colorado were ranked 76th and 67th and that was in one of the worst P5 leagues in the country. Their defense will be historically bad again because they don't have any talent and they play in the toughest division in college football. They are the thinnest team in the country at linebacker and just had 2 linebackers transfer out. They had a corner go in the NFL draft. They have recruited very very few difference makers on defense for the past 3 years. They will be dog shit again on defense and they will take a large step back offensively. Their o/u is 4.5 or 5 at every sportsbook for a reason.

Yeah, his D's at Colorado went to shit after leavitt left for Oregon.

[timotheus]

the shark fans are not expecting much from their D this year. The O is actually more complicated but their weapons are all gone. That Memphis game will tell us a bunch about them.

[Johnson85]

It sounds Croom-esque. Honestly.

But then again- what do you run with what they have? I guess you might as well try to establish the system and hope for the best after you take some lumps if you are Ole Miss I guess.

I think you nailed it.

They are screwed because of their personnel. Run a more traditional 4 man front and they have bigger bodies but don't really have a quality D-line and don't have a two deep, which you pretty much have to have, at least on the interior. If in the long term, you want to run a 3 man front with a nickle type scheme, go ahead and run it. You get more of your better defensive players on the field by trading a DL position for a DB position, you now only need 6 SEC quality DL to go two deep on the DL, will generally have better quality in the 3 DL poisition that you would if you had a 4 man front. You still get gashed by the run, but you do a lot of gambling with run stunts and hope you force people into a passing down where your defense is better. More feast or famine but at least you get some stops. And you go ahead and prepare for next year running the scheme you ultimately want to run.

The big downside I see is I wonder whether this results in their LBs and DBs getting banged up over the course of the season. I think for any particular series, going smaller and faster and having your LBs and S's "play up", to where you essentially have a LB playing DE and S's essentially playing as linebacker, works great. But I think asking them to do that for most of the game week in and week out leads to them getting banged up. I think that's part of what happened to Conner and Johnson for Ole Miss.

[BeastMan]

Don’t get to caught up in alignment jargon. You can call it a 3-4 and run it 2 different ways: the 4th “LB” be more of a DE/LB that you move around as a pass rusher. He’s a LOS player. The other way is he’s more of a classical SS. Physical enough to support the run but still match-up in the passing game.

I suspect they’ll run more of the 2nd version. They’ll play somebody like a Myles Hartsfield as the 4th “LB” in the 3-4. I think they know they’re screwed and they just want to get as much speed on the field as possible, run to the ball, and be unpredictable in where they blitz/run the passer from.

[justwin]

This is going to be fun to watch

No doubt Mac is a better DC than Crime Dog, but has anyone ever seen a defense get better than the previous year when transitioning to a 3-4?

Does OM even have the LBs on their roster to run a 3-4?

I know Sirmon was 3-4 but what was Grantham?


https://olemisssports.com/roster.aspx?path=football&roster=86&sort=position ~ I just filtered by position to see who plays DL for them out of curiousity. Of the dozen or so DEs or DTs listed, I've only heard of Benito Jones whose is SEC average.

[Jarius]

https://olemisssports.com/roster.aspx?path=football&roster=86&sort=position ~ I just filtered by position to see who plays DL for them out of curiousity. Of the dozen or so DEs or DTs listed, I've only heard of Benito Jones whose is SEC average.

Coatney is a solid SEC DT and the Momo guy they brought to media days is a decent Lb. they have a good corner and a decent safety too. Other than that they have absolute trash on defense.

[Todd4State]

This is telling to me- no Ole Miss players picked on the first, second or third preseason all-SEC teams.

[BuckyIsAB****]

This is telling to me- no Ole Miss players picked on the first, second or third preseason all-SEC teams.

Not to defend OM but we were picked to finish 5th in the west. And we only had 4 guys that got picked. Those predictions dont mean anything

[Homedawg]

Not to defend OM but we were picked to finish 5th in the west. And we only had 4 guys that got picked. Those predictions dont mean anything

I thought the 4 we had were about right. Who got screwed on our end? Meaning who might could make it? Hill or gay? Other than that I don't think we had anyone else who is a possibility

[BuckyIsAB****]

I thought the 4 we had were about right. Who got screwed on our end? Meaning who might could make it? Hill or gay? Other than that I don't think we had anyone else who is a possibility

Willie Gay definitely. Brian Cole would be the next to come to mind if he stays healthy.

[Homedawg]

Willie Gay definitely. Brian Cole would be the next to come to mind if he stays healthy.

Cole is correct. He just hasn't played enough to be a preseason pick. But yeah. He's a big time draft of he stays healthy.