Ginn starting tomorrow..............

[Liverpooldawg]

from the presser.

[msstate7]

Man, pretty surprised.

[Dawg2003]

I like it. Ginn doesn't need to go against Miami because they have too many lefties. We will probably play Miami 1-2 times, and I think Plumlee is a better matchup for them. I also trust Plum more in high pressure situations, which the later games will be.

[DownwardDawg]

Man, pretty surprised.

Me too. Oh well, I try not to worry about things like this too much. He should mow them down. I guess Plumlee on Sunday then after Small on Saturday.

[Homedawg]

I like it.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Smart! We need Small vs the #2 seed with the lefty heavy lineup

[Marvin]

I don’t think that’s very smart, totally gives away the SWAC advantage we had.

Let’s hope we jump out to a 12-0 lead early and pull him after 40

[Tbonewannabe]

I don’t think that’s very smart, totally gives away the SWAC advantage we had.

Let’s hope we jump out to a 12-0 lead early and pull him after 40

Could be the idea. Pull him and then start him if needed on Monday with a low pitch count.

[msstate7]

Smart! We need Small vs the #2 seed with the lefty heavy lineup

I doubt the decision was ever involved small vs southern. I think it was plumlee or ginn

[msstate7]

Could be the idea. Pull him and then start him if needed on Monday with a low pitch count.

Somehow I doubt it. We probably made some assurances on arm use to get him in school

[AlSwearengen]

I was thinking Plumlee or maybe even Smith BUT winning the first 2 is the trick to these regionals. It would be disastrous to lose the first game to Southern and if I am Lemonis, I wouldn’t want to be in that situation.

If we win the first 2, Plumlee will pitch against someone’s (probably miami’s) number 4 and Smith against someone’s number 5 if needed.

Smith should also be able to throw an inning in the first game if needed. It would be nice if we beat the breaks off of Southern early and can throw Cerantola and see how he does and hopefully save some pitching.

[GreenheadDawg]

Would have rather seen Plumlee but as long as we win the first 2 I don’t care who throws. Winning the first 2 are a must.

[KOdawg1]

The only way this makes sense is to pitch him a few innings and then bring someone else in, so he's still available for the last game should we need it. But like 7 said, he came here with a limit in place so I doubt it.

I guess it's not the worst scenario, but it's not the best either.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Could this be to give Ginn more time to rest leading to the Supers? Pitching vs Southern gives him 2 more days than if he went game 3. Plumlee can recover faster

OR, if we want to be pessimistic... Ginn's arm is acting up again and Plumlee is the better pitcher right now, so by throwing Ginn we're throwing our #3

[Dawg2003]

The only way this makes sense is to pitch him a few innings and then bring someone else in, so he's still available for the last game should we need it.

It makes sense if they would rather Plumlee take on Miami, who has 6 lefties, in the 3rd game.

[ZedFedder]

Ginn needs a little confidence boost, too. Recovered well but had a rocky start against Ole Miss and did not pitch well against LSU.

[MetEdDawg]

Ginn is young, has struggled some as of late, and he's never been in a situation as high pressure as this. Nothing in high school can prepare for the environment he will be part of tomorrow.

If we are in a win or go home scenario and I have my choice of Plumlee or Ginn, right now I take Plumlee. Doesn't mean he's better than Ginn, but he's been there done that before and has a crap ton more experience on his side.

Let Ginn get his feet wet against a team he should dominate. Get the confidence up and get him rolling. We will need him in a big time situation if we are going to win the whole thing.

[R2Dawg]

Good move; I like Small in second game. Ginn should handle Southern fine. From here on out, Small got to pitch in ace moments on prime time. That is what you do when you have one of best pitchers in college baseball.

[shoeless joe]

Been wondering why I hadn?t seen this scenario thrown out. Personally I have no issue with it and kinda like it.

[PMDawg]

Could this be to give Ginn more time to rest leading to the Supers? Pitching vs Southern gives him 2 more days than if he went game 3. Plumlee can recover faster

OR, if we want to be pessimistic... Ginn's arm is acting up again and Plumlee is the better pitcher right now, so by throwing Ginn we're throwing our #3

I think it's more that Ginn just hasn't been the same since he missed those games with a sore shoulder.

[mstatefan91]

Somehow I doubt it. We probably made some assurances on arm use to get him in school
And who is going to penalize us for breaking this totally not made up assurance?

[msstate7]

And who is going to penalize us for breaking this totally not made up assurance?

First off, I have no idea if there even is an agreement. Let's say there is though, he could leave immediately if he so chose to and follow carter to Japan. Most likely he would just take the ball, but that's terrible business to just backtrack like that. Again though, I have no idea if there's some sort of agreement... I'd hope so though bc kid has a future.

[Homedawg]

And who is going to penalize us for breaking this totally not made up assurance?

You penalize yourself by not taking care of a kids arm w big time potential. It's not hard to understand.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

I like it. Ginn doesn't need to go against Miami because they have too many lefties. We will probably play Miami 1-2 times, and I think Plumlee is a better matchup for them. I also trust Plum more in high pressure situations, which the later games will be.

Lemonis is proving how good of a coach he is

[Commercecomet24]

You penalize yourself by not taking care of a kids arm w big time potential. It's not hard to understand.

Exactly! You mess one up and word gets around. It's detrimental to the player and the program both.

[preachermatt83]

Ginn is young, has struggled some as of late, and he's never been in a situation as high pressure as this. Nothing in high school can prepare for the environment he will be part of tomorrow.

If we are in a win or go home scenario and I have my choice of Plumlee or Ginn, right now I take Plumlee. Doesn't mean he's better than Ginn, but he's been there done that before and has a crap ton more experience on his side.

Let Ginn get his feet wet against a team he should dominate. Get the confidence up and get him rolling. We will need him in a big time situation if we are going to win the whole thing.

Exactly!

[preachermatt83]

Lemonis is proving how good of a coach he is

You are 100 percent correct!!

[CadaverDawg]

Ginn needs a little confidence boost, too. Recovered well but had a rocky start against Ole Miss and did not pitch well against LSU.

This. Confidence boost, and you don't go to the Regional Final depending on two freshmen as your only starters. I still would have liked to see Plumlee or even Smith throw vs Southern, but I can understand why Lemonis is making this choice, and as long as we win the Regional I'm cool with it. We will need JT to beat great teams if we want to win it all, so if smoking Southern is the confidence boost he needs...I'm good with it.

[The Federalist Engineer]

I doubt the decision was ever involved small vs southern. I think it was plumlee or ginn

Next Friday is the Super Game-1, I think you want give pitchers regular, predictable rest. Ginn vs Stanford next Saturday is ok too.

[CadaverDawg]

Next Friday is the Super Game-1, I think you want give pitchers regular, predictable rest. Ginn vs UC Santa Barbara next Saturday is ok too.

FIFY

[Liverpooldawg]

And who is going to penalize us for breaking this totally not made up assurance?

Future recruits.

[Ezsoil]

I think it's more that Ginn just hasn't been the same since he missed those games with a sore shoulder.

uhhhh guess you missed the A&M game that was his best game by far this year from a pitch count, command and location standpoint... a bobble in right field cost that game ...

[Covercorner2]

uhhhh guess you missed the A&M game that was his best game by far this year from a pitch count, command and location standpoint... a bobble in right field cost that game ...

I also think its overblown how "bad" he pitched against LSU last time out. He struck out 5 of the first 7 guys he faced. Only gave up 4 hits before he was pulled....

[Homedawg]

Next Friday is the Super Game-1, I think you want give pitchers regular, predictable rest. Ginn vs Stanford next Saturday is ok too.

Might not be a fri start don't know yet. Some start sat

[Marvin]

If we lose to Miami with Small it means we have to come back and beat a decent CMU team and then Miami TWICE with Plumlee, Smith, and....Cerantola? Ginn won’t go on two days rest, not happening.

We could win tomorrow with Keegan James on the mound, I’m sorry but Ginn is wasted here and essentially puts all our eggs in Ethan Small’s basket. A loss to Southern is not happening but if we then lost to UM with Small we could finish up with three decent starts in Ginn, Plum, and Smith. Now we can’t.

[DownwardDawg]

If we lose to Miami with Small it means we have to come back and beat a decent CMU team and then Miami TWICE with Plumlee, Smith, and....Cerantola? Ginn won’t go on two days rest, not happening.

We could win tomorrow with Keegan James on the mound, I’m sorry but Ginn is wasted here and essentially puts all our eggs in Ethan Small’s basket. A loss to Southern is not happening but if we then lost to UM with Small we could finish up with three decent starts in Ginn, Plum, and Smith. Now we can’t.

I just disagree. We need to start one of either Ginn or Plumlee. I thought it would be Plumlee. I like the Ginn decision. This Southern team beat LSU. Something we struggle to do. We HAVE TO win the first game.

[PMDawg]

uhhhh guess you missed the A&M game that was his best game by far this year from a pitch count, command and location standpoint... a bobble in right field cost that game ...

Nope, not at all. He's still excellent. He was just on another level before the shoulder deal.

[Todd4State]

I like it only if Ginn is on a pitch count and this is a glorified bullpen session that allows Ginn to come back for a winner take all final game on Monday.

Start Ginn and let him go three innings. Bring in Brandon Smith for three. Bring in Cetentola for two. Bring in Colby White to close it out. If it's a blowout close with Keegan James.

[Todd4State]

If we lose to Miami with Small it means we have to come back and beat a decent CMU team and then Miami TWICE with Plumlee, Smith, and....Cerantola? Ginn won’t go on two days rest, not happening.

We could win tomorrow with Keegan James on the mound, I’m sorry but Ginn is wasted here and essentially puts all our eggs in Ethan Small’s basket. A loss to Southern is not happening but if we then lost to UM with Small we could finish up with three decent starts in Ginn, Plum, and Smith. Now we can’t.
You're correct if it isn't a glorified bullpen session. If it is a glorified bullpen session then we go with Small against someone's two. Then if we win that we go with Plumlee against a three. Then we could go with Brandon Smith in a game four and if we have to play Monday go back with Ginn.

It could actually set us up where we use Ginn for a potential championship game in a Super Regional as well.

Now if Lemonis doesn't do this- I reserve the right to agree with you after the fact.

[Todd4State]

uhhhh guess you missed the A&M game that was his best game by far this year from a pitch count, command and location standpoint... a bobble in right field cost that game ...

The truth is people are trying to spin this into a positive MSU thing. If Ginn goes deep it is definitely questionable. And it wouldn't be the first time this year that this staff has done something questionable with the staff if we are all honest with ourselves here.

[timotheus]

I say we better be able to hit the low 80's junk from the lefty from southern. Ginn will be fine.

[dantheman4248]

I’d rather have Ginn go full tomorrow and save a bunch of our bullpen for if we need it during the tourney. Playing cute is for the birds and we’re not trusting two freshman to a situation they’ve never been in yet. Giving Ginn easy experience and confidence with a W tomorrow is big for the rest of the season.

[preachermatt83]

The truth is people are trying to spin this into a positive MSU thing. If Ginn goes deep it is definitely questionable. And it wouldn't be the first time this year that this staff has done something questionable with the staff if we are all honest with ourselves here.

You used to be one of the better baseball posters on this board... what happened?

[Shake 'n Bake]

I?m glad our coach is trying to coach to win in 3 instead of worrying about who starts a theoretical game 5. We win the first two and it?s impossible to need a fifth starter. I think some of you have too much time to think about this. You don?t throw a fourth starter to open a tournament you can win in 3 games. I?d be livid if we started small but plum/Ginn either one is the right call.

[Marvin]

I?m glad our coach is trying to coach to win in 3 instead of worrying about who starts a theoretical game 5. We win the first two and it?s impossible to need a fifth starter. I think some of you have too much time to think about this. You don?t throw a fourth starter to open a tournament you can win in 3 games. I?d be livid if we started small but plum/Ginn either one is the right call.

The better chance to win in 3 is to go Plum/Small/Ginn. You have to ask yourself which of the following options has the highest chance of hitting:

Ginn beats Southern/Plum beats Miami
Plum beats Southern/Ginn beats Miami

No questions it’s option 2.

[DownwardDawg]

You used to be one of the better baseball posters on this board... what happened?

He’s lost it. This is the best staff, based on decisions all year, that we’ve had in a long time.

And yes. I used to really look forward to Todd’s posts on baseball n

[Shake 'n Bake]

Ginn isn’t a slam dunk over Plumlee to me. Plum has won an elimination game in the past and has pitched every bit as well as ginn in the second half of the year. Personally I would’ve gone plum in game 1 but don’t see how anyone can think it’s a huge difference. Ginn has more upside but also has a better chance of only making it a couple innings against Miami.

[DownwardDawg]

The better chance to win in 3 is to go Plum/Small/Ginn. You have to ask yourself which of the following options has the highest chance of hitting:

Ginn beats Southern/Plum beats Miami
Plum beats Southern/Ginn beats Miami

No questions it’s option 2.

Lol. Nope. Ginn, Small, then Plumlee vs Central Michigan #4 pitcher. Easy regional.

[DownwardDawg]

Ginn isn’t a slam dunk over Plumlee to me. Plum has won an elimination game in the past and has pitched every bit as well as ginn in the second half of the year. Personally I would’ve gone plum in game 1 but don’t see how anyone can think it’s a huge difference. Ginn has more upside but also has a better chance of only making it a couple innings against Miami.

We’re saving Plum because he is much better than Ginn right now. That’s why we’re starting Ginn against Southern.

[Marvin]

Lol. Nope. Ginn, Small, then Plumlee vs Central Michigan #4 pitcher. Easy regional.

We’ll agree to disagree. Plum hasn’t been striking anyone out lately and Miami’s lefty bats are a matchup issue. Ginn has the ability to dominate talent on both sides of the plate and we waste that on a team we should beat by double digits.

[basedog]

We’re saving Plum because he is much better than Ginn right now. That’s why we’re starting Ginn against Southern.

Yes ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Maybe not much better but his experience to me is the key. Plumlee has plenty of rest also.

[Todd4State]

You used to be one of the better baseball posters on this board... what happened?

The staff has done a great job overall. But do you consider how we used the pen in game one of the Arkansas series to be questionable? It cost us a chance at extra innings and got us off on the wrong foot in a series that we were ultimately swept in. May have cost us a SEC title as well.

Colby White not pitching at all in the SEC Tournament? That's not questionable?

And now you have this.

The reality is there is not one single poster on this board that said that we should start Ginn before today. Now because Lemonis is doing it's a great idea and all of a sudden we're only focusing on Ginn and Plumlee's last four starts? Lol.

What about Plumlee's last actual start against South Carolina? That didn't go all that well for us either.

And I'm not going to get too much into it because like I said if Lemonis pitches Ginn in a short stint it's fine. It will probably work out either way.

[HooverDawg]

The truth is people are trying to spin this into a positive MSU thing. If Ginn goes deep it is definitely questionable. And it wouldn't be the first time this year that this staff has done something questionable with the staff if we are all honest with ourselves here.

This coming from the guy who wanted to start JT against Texas Southern earlier this year coming off arm soreness. LOL.

[Todd4State]

This coming from the guy who wanted to start JT against Texas Southern earlier this year coming off arm soreness. LOL.

I didn't "want" him to. I said it was possible that he would start against them IF he was healthy and it would be a short outing. I also said that it was possible that he would start the Governor's Cup as well. He started against Arkansas so he split the difference.

[Homedawg]

I like it only if Ginn is on a pitch count and this is a glorified bullpen session that allows Ginn to come back for a winner take all final game on Monday.

Start Ginn and let him go three innings. Bring in Brandon Smith for three. Bring in Cetentola for two. Bring in Colby White to close it out. If it's a blowout close with Keegan James.

Ginn ain't coming back. Barring us scoring 10 in the first two. That's not going to happen

[Todd4State]

Also mods- I'm sure y'all know Hooverdawg is Goat so I'm sure it's only a matter of time before the ban hammer comes again. I do wonder how many of my posts will be taken completely out of context in the meantime by the troll?

[Homedawg]

The staff has done a great job overall. But do you consider how we used the pen in game one of the Arkansas series to be questionable? It cost us a chance at extra innings and got us off on the wrong foot in a series that we were ultimately swept in. May have cost us a SEC title as well.

Colby White not pitching at all in the SEC Tournament? That's not questionable?

And now you have this.

The reality is there is not one single poster on this board that said that we should start Ginn before today. Now because Lemonis is doing it's a great idea and all of a sudden we're only focusing on Ginn and Plumlee's last four starts? Lol.

What about Plumlee's last actual start against South Carolina? That didn't go all that well for us either.

And I'm not going to get too much into it because like I said if Lemonis pitches Ginn in a short stint it's fine. It will probably work out either way.

Colby wa shelf out for a reason. Not everything is what it appears. Not dogging you just pointing out something

[Todd4State]

Ginn ain't coming back. Barring us scoring 10 in the first two. That's not going to happen

Well then IMO it's a questionable decision. I'd rather have Ginn start against Miami or Central Michigan than Plumlee. That's simply the higher percentage decision. I'm not going to get into it too much because it's probably going to work out anyway.

Just not worth arguing about. I'm going to go to the regional and have a good time. I don't care if he throws Joe Moorhead.

[Todd4State]

Colby wa shelf out for a reason. Not everything is what it appears. Not dogging you just pointing out something

That's fair. I wondered if it could possibly be a Trey Porter situation. Just odd to not pitch one of our best relievers in three days of baseball including a 17 inning game.

[Commercecomet24]

The staff has reasons for starting JT tomorrow. As Homedawg said everything is not as it always appears.

[mstatefan91]

Could be the idea. Pull him and then start him if needed on Monday with a low pitch count.
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First off, I have no idea if there even is an agreement. Let's say there is though, he could leave immediately if he so chose to and follow carter to Japan. Most likely he would just take the ball, but that's terrible business to just backtrack like that. Again though, I have no idea if there's some sort of agreement... I'd hope so though bc kid has a future.
That's fair


You penalize yourself by not taking care of a kids arm w big time potential. It's not hard to understand.


Future recruits.
The original post was if Ginn had a low pitch count today and if he was needed Monday, would that be ok? Nobody is talking about running him up to 80+ and then handing him another start on Monday..

This was like "What if Ginn threw 30-40 tops?" in my mind..

[dantheman4248]

Bumping this for everyone to read their thoughts now that the game has been played and Ginn pitched only "30-40" and as Lemonis said "could have kept going, but we were looking out for the kid."

[Todd4State]

The staff has reasons for starting JT tomorrow. As Homedawg said everything is not as it always appears.

I mean, he got hurt. What else is there to say?

[msstate7]

Bumping this for everyone to read their thoughts now that the game has been played and Ginn pitched only "30-40" and as Lemonis said "could have kept going, but we were looking out for the kid."

So you saying he's gonna pitch again this regional?

[Commercecomet24]

I mean, he got hurt. What else is there to say?

It's more complicated than that. That's all I can say right now.

[chef dixon]

The Ginn handling situation has been sketchy all year

[GreenheadDawg]

It's more complicated than that. That's all I can say right now.

Oh Jesus. I love the guys with the “inside info” but can’t share it. Real cool

[Homedawg]

I mean, he got hurt. What else is there to say?

He said hat before the game todd

[Homedawg]

So you saying he's gonna pitch again this regional?


Nope. He isn't.

[dantheman4248]

So you saying he's gonna pitch again this regional?


Nah. After hearing more it sounds like it’s best he sits out.

[Todd4State]

He said hat before the game todd

Sorry. I realize that I responded to the wrong post on accident. My apologies.

[Todd4State]

It's more complicated than that. That's all I can say right now.

I'm sorry. I responded to the wrong post.

I meant to respond to dantheman. I guess that happens when you are posting on your phone at the ballpark.