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KOdawg1
04-16-2019, 03:35 PM
If we were to take 2015 Dak Prescott and put him on this past year's team, would we have made the CFP? I say 2015 Dak because he improved his passing a good bit from 2014, and I think that would've fit JoMo's offense better. Or would our receivers last year make even Dak look bad?

Have at it.

TrapGame
04-16-2019, 03:54 PM
Well, Dak wouldn't throw bricks at Mach 2.

msstate7
04-16-2019, 04:00 PM
Who knows? He didn't get us to the playoffs against the weakest Bama team the last 8 years though, so I doubt it

Lord McBuckethead
04-16-2019, 04:04 PM
I am saying no, but he would have won 11 games.

msstate7
04-16-2019, 04:06 PM
I am saying no, but he would have won 11 games.

I think we beat Kentucky, Florida, and Iowa (of course, we wouldn't play them with previous wins) with dak.

Johnson85
04-16-2019, 04:06 PM
We had a lot more issues than just Fitz.

UK wasn't on Fitz. We wouldn't have needed much from him to beat UK, but that was mostly on the coaches letting one person destroy us for three quarters.
Dak probably swings Florida.
Dak probably doesn't swing Bama.
Does Dak change LSU? I was either drinking heavily or have blocked it out, because I don't remember much about that game now.

TrapGame
04-16-2019, 05:30 PM
If Dak just hits six open receivers last year that Fitz over or under threw then we would have probably been 10-2.

bluelightstar
04-16-2019, 05:42 PM
Yes -- we would've beaten UK, UF, and LSU. The flood gates didn't open against Kentucky until Fitz threw a horrible, WTF are you looking at, back-breaker of an INT in the 4th quarter (it was 14-7, IIRC). Florida was a close loss even with our passing limitations. LSU couldn't move the ball and had 200 yards even with us turning the ball over 4+ times (and giving them the ball on the 3-yard line).

We probably would've lost to Alabama, but there were definitely plays to be made in the passing game that day -- including the primary receiver running wide open on a flea flicker.

Jack Lambert
04-16-2019, 05:47 PM
If Dak just hits six open receivers last year that Fitz over or under threw then we would have probably been 10-2.

Or if our receivers would have caught passes in their hand that they dropped we would have been 10-2.

BeardoMSU
04-16-2019, 05:55 PM
Dak had Fred Ross and D'runnya that year, though.....granted, he didn't have a complementary running game or O-line, so It might be a wash.

I'd have been interested in seeing Tyler Russel in last year's offense, tbh.

BuckyIsAB****
04-16-2019, 08:07 PM
With that defense I think we are def in the conversation. Deddrick Thomas is alot like Jameon Lewis and 2015 Dak running the ball behind that OL and with Kylin and Aeris and we are a lot better on offense

Todd4State
04-16-2019, 11:18 PM
Our defense was not that good in 2014. Probably because of or at least in part because of the hockey style 1A/1B substitution thing.

But I think the 2014 offense with the 2018 defense probably goes undefeated.

Dak > Nick
Robinson = Hill/Aeris
Bear, Fred Ross, Jameon, Robert Johnson > Lazy Guidry, Osirus, Deddrick
Malcolm Johnson = Justin Johnson
2014 OL > 2018 OL

And the two parts that are equal I could definitely argue were better than 2018 as well.

BuckyIsAB****
04-17-2019, 01:14 AM
Our defense was not that good in 2014. Probably because of or at least in part because of the hockey style 1A/1B substitution thing.

But I think the 2014 offense with the 2018 defense probably goes undefeated.

Dak > Nick
Robinson = Hill/Aeris
Bear, Fred Ross, Jameon, Robert Johnson > Lazy Guidry, Osirus, Deddrick
Malcolm Johnson = Justin Johnson
2014 OL > 2018 OL

And the two parts that are equal I could definitely argue were better than 2018 as well.

I would argue that our OL was actually one of the bigger weaknesses on that 14 team. Especially as the year went on, Bama, OM and Arkansas hurt us up front. I think the 2018 OL is a lot more talented than that group was. Beckwith was a former walk on, he was a dawg and I love him but still. Day wasnt extremely talented but he was a dawg.

This year we have more talent and depth up front than we've had in a while. Johnson is also a better coach than Hevesy IMO. Hevesy was just an asshole, Johnson is a likable asshole

Leeshouldveflanked
04-17-2019, 05:37 AM
Dak couldn’t beat a one legged Bo Wallace led team that lost to Arkansas 30-0 the week before in 2014....we were two dropped passes from wide open WR’s at being 10-2.

Dawgfan77
04-17-2019, 08:18 AM
Dak couldn’t beat a one legged Bo Wallace led team that lost to Arkansas 30-0 the week before in 2014....we were two dropped passes from wide open WR’s at being 10-2.

Mullen checked out after the Bama game that year as well. Collins has already accepted the UF DC job. Mulken/we had no motivation that game.

Ari Gold
04-17-2019, 08:36 AM
Mullen checked out after the Bama game that year as well. Collins has already accepted the UF DC job. Mulken/we had no motivation that game.

Recurring theme...

Really Clark?
04-17-2019, 08:48 AM
Our defense was not that good in 2014. Probably because of or at least in part because of the hockey style 1A/1B substitution thing.

But I think the 2014 offense with the 2018 defense probably goes undefeated.

Dak > Nick
Robinson = Hill/Aeris
Bear, Fred Ross, Jameon, Robert Johnson > Lazy Guidry, Osirus, Deddrick
Malcolm Johnson = Justin Johnson
2014 OL > 2018 OL

And the two parts that are equal I could definitely argue were better than 2018 as well.

2014 defense was 20th in the FEI and 26th in the S & P metrics. That’s a good defense. Not this year elite level by no stretch but it was a good defense. The OL’s were actually similar with the 2014 OL having an edge. They both were much better running the ball. 2018 rushing OL was actually Top 5 average in the adjusted numbers a little better than 2014 which was Top 15. But the 2014 pass blocking was a good bit better, even though it was still a little below average as well.

TrapGame
04-17-2019, 09:02 AM
Or if our receivers would have caught passes in their hand that they dropped we would have been 10-2.

Yep, no argument from me. But unfortunately our losses hinged on a drop pass or two. We could not overcome the one dropped pass by making another big time play later on. That's not championship standard that's flying by the seat of your pants.

stalkingpoon
04-17-2019, 09:13 AM
Dak with Dan Mullen?s offense and Shoops defense last year is a CFP team easily. We beat everyone outside of Bama and get in at 11-1.

sleepy dawg
04-17-2019, 10:47 AM
I think we'd have had a better shot with Fitz + Dan than Moorhead + Dak.

TrapGame
04-17-2019, 10:57 AM
I think we'd have had a better shot with Fitz + Dan than Moorhead + Dak.

We would have pounded UK and FL like $2 whores. We would have run the ball down their throats. If Fitz could have connected with some of the over the middle throws early in the LSU game, plus Kylin to the edge and Aeris up the gut, we might have won that one.