Spring "game" thread?

[Leroy Jenkins]

Looks like Joe dropped some weight.

[bluelightstar]

Still can’t catch

[ShotgunDawg]

Guidry right on cue. Good gracious

[ShotgunDawg]

And now we over shoot a wide open WR. Not like Guidry would've caught it anyway.

[bluelightstar]

These receivers are gonna be the death of us again

[msstate7]

Key has made 2 good throws underneath

[msstate7]

Now I didn't like that even though it was a catch... that was a throw in traffic against our 2nd team. Probably a pick against good defense

[msstate7]

Hill looks strong. Gonna have to lean on him

[chef dixon]

Not really easy to tell who is on which team

[RocketDawg]

Guidry right on cue. Good gracious

Yeah, looked like a good pass from K but Gidry still can catch. Maybe he just didn't want to hurt his fingers. **

[mparkerfd20]

5-6 win team

[RocketDawg]

Looking forward to seeing Shrader.

[Scared_Hitless]

Joe has lost like 50 lbs he gave up the catfish

[bobtail bob]

Team Mayden right here so far. He looks for open people . Key just flings it where moor calls the play towards

[Scared_Hitless]

5-6 win team

Stupid comment its a spring game and we are missing starters

[mparkerfd20]

Stupid comment its a spring game and we are missing starters
Talk to me in the fall. We'll see who's closer to being right. 7 is the ceiling.

[msstate7]

That's what I want to see... a pass with zip and a strong catch

[mparkerfd20]

Team Mayden right here so far. He looks for open people . Key just flings it where moor calls the play towards

Key has a LONGGGGGG way to go.

[bluelightstar]

Agree that the receivers aren’t open consistently

[Coach007]

That sack was on him. He had an out... didnt take it.

[BayouDawg]

That was a good looking run by Gibson

[bobtail bob]

Bama, LSU and possibly Auburn will DESTROY this puss offense

[mparkerfd20]

Run game will be solid looks like. Passing will be same or worse and that's not good.

[msstate7]

We still have strong running game personnel. Makes me sick we didn't make a concerted effort to run the ball with our RBs last year. With our defense and running personnel, damn shame we weren't a 10-Win team

[bluelightstar]

Bama, LSU and possibly Auburn will DESTROY this puss offense

In fairness, Bama and LSU have pretty consistently killed our offense under most coaches

[msstate7]

Garrett looks athletic

[ShotgunDawg]

Wow. Shrader is one hell of an athlete. Better feet and quicker than Fitz.

Looks exactly like Matt Jones out there

[Scared_Hitless]

Run game and D will be good similar to last year we can get 8 wins again and if Key improves who knows

[bluelightstar]

The receivers drop passes from everyone. Woof

[Scared_Hitless]

He has a funky arm motion

[msstate7]

In fairness, Bama and LSU have pretty consistently killed our offense under most coaches
Last 5 game point totals vs LSU pre-Moorhead, 37,
20, 19, 34, and 26 (27.2 ppg)

[msstate7]

Run game and D will be good similar to last year we can get 8 wins again and if Key improves who knows

Defense will be similar to the best defense in the country? Come on mane

[ShotgunDawg]

Shrader's pocket presence even looks advance. Just can't hit the broad side of a barn.

He already steps up in the pocket better than Fitz did

[Scared_Hitless]

Defense will be similar to the best defense in the country? Come on mane

It will be a strength top 25 most likely

[bulldawg28]

Wow. Shrader is one hell of an athlete. Better feet and quicker than Fitz.

Looks exactly like Matt Jones out there

He looks nothing like Arkansas Matt Jones. That dude was 6'6 long strider and ran a 4.3 forty during the combine. Fitz was a long strider similar to Jones. Shrader does look athletic though.

[bluelightstar]

Last 5 game point totals vs LSU pre-Moorhead, 37,
20, 19, 34, and 26 (27.2 ppg)

Really — 2016 had 2 TDs in the last 2 minutes. 2014-2015 were Dak, which was the high water mark of our offense ever. And LSU more than doubled us up in 2013. Consistent scoring against good defenses has been an issue, in my view. And nobody is going to mistake me for a Moorhead apologist

[ShotgunDawg]

He has a funky arm motion

He's just a bit of a pie thrower. I don't see a hitch or anything, so he should be able to improve. While a little funky, his action is clean

[msstate7]

It will be a strength top 25 most likely

Maybe so, but that ain't similar to top 3 haha

[ShotgunDawg]

He looks nothing like Arkansas Matt Jones. That dude was 6'6 long strider and ran a 4.3 forty during the combine. Fitz was a long strider similar to Jones. Shrader does look athletic though.

And Shrader is 6'5" & ran a 4.4

[msstate7]

He looks nothing like Arkansas Matt Jones. That dude was 6'6 long strider and ran a 4.3 forty during the combine. Fitz was a long strider similar to Jones. Shrader does look athletic though.

You gotta realize shotgun has billed Garrett as the savior, so he reaching haha

I do think Garrett looks athletic, but Matt Jones was an elite athlete. Not sure you compare the 2

[Scared_Hitless]

Mayden throws a nice ball

[msstate7]

And Shrader is 6'5" & ran a 4.4

At the nfl combine?

[bulldawg28]

And Shrader is 6'5" & ran a 4.4

Not electric time he hasn't and Shrader isn't 6'5

[bluelightstar]

Shrader doesn’t look ready, but who does

[ShotgunDawg]

You gotta realize shotgun has billed Garrett as the savior, so he reaching haha

I do think Garrett looks athletic, but Matt Jones was an elite athlete. Not sure you compare the 2

Where is the reach? Garrett is 6'5" and runs a 4.4 along with quick feet.

What exactly is a reach here from a talent stand point?

[Cooterpoot]

Schraeder does not run a 4.4. And he’s nowhere close to ready. That motion isn’t going to work in the SEC.

[ShotgunDawg]

Not electric time he hasn't and Shrader isn't 6'5

Ok. Sorry.

[ShotgunDawg]

We're 17ed

[msstate7]

Where is the reach? Garrett is 6'5" and runs a 4.4 along with quick feet.

What exactly is a reach here from a talent stand point?

I'm not gonna argue. If you think some 4.4 HS time is equal to an nfl combine time, there's no reason to argue

[Bothrops]

I'm still calling for 6 wins, 5 is very possible, 7 more unlikely. I look for us to win a couple of conference games. Schedule is tougher and we will get mutilated by LSU and Bama probably 45-3ish. Auburn is a loss and Tenn is as well, just based on superior talent and playing on the road. It is a rebuild year.

[ShotgunDawg]

I'm not gonna argue. If you think some 4.4 HS time is equal to an nfl combine time, there's no reason to argue

Was just going off of this. I believe PJ reported it

https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?68526-Garrett-Shrader&highlight=garrett+shrader

[bobtail bob]

In fairness, Bama and LSU have pretty consistently killed our offense under most coaches

With a good team LSU is a winnable game this year.

In the board's opinion was joe a down grade from Don Munson ?

I was willing to him him a pass for last season because it's hard to walk in the door and have a crisp operation. I see the same disjointed,running the play clock down, receivers and QBs not knowing where they are at sloppiness that I saw last season and I don't really like it or feel very optimistic

[BayouDawg]

I don?t have a problem with Shraders throwing motion. It?s not a long windup. It?s just funky similar to Philip rivers

[Cooterpoot]

I don’t get much from a spring game but it’s going to be a bit of a struggle this year. I’m guessing 7-5 max. I predict Mayden ends up at QB.

[ShotgunDawg]

Why does Austin Williams look like he's catching an 18 wheeler?

[msstate7]

Was just going off of this. I believe PJ reported it

https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?68526-Garrett-Shrader&highlight=garrett+shrader

Arkansas quarterback Matt Jones, who was transitioning to wide receiver at the time, shocked the NFL with his 2005 combine performance. The 6-foot-6-inch, 242-pound Jones clocked a 4.37-second 40-yard dash and had a 39.5-inch vertical leap. The Jaguars grabbed him with the 21st overall pick.

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/02/28/ranking-the-top-10-nfl-combine-performances/
...
Really shotgun?

[ShotgunDawg]

I thought KT would be bigger by now.

He still has basically the same body & strength he had when he signed

[Cooterpoot]

I don?t have a problem with Shraders throwing motion. It?s not a long windup. It?s just funky similar to Philip rivers

It’s very long and nowhere close to Rivers. He’s going to have to modify it.

[ShotgunDawg]

Arkansas quarterback Matt Jones, who was transitioning to wide receiver at the time, shocked the NFL with his 2005 combine performance. The 6-foot-6-inch, 242-pound Jones clocked a 4.37-second 40-yard dash and had a 39.5-inch vertical leap. The Jaguars grabbed him with the 21st overall pick.

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/02/28/ranking-the-top-10-nfl-combine-performances/
...
Really shotgun?

My bad. Was just throwing out what he looked like. I obviously should've done a bunch of research before making that comment

[msstate7]

I thought KT would be bigger by now.

He still has basically the same body & strength he had when he signed

Good observation. Why isn't he bigger?

[msstate7]

My bad. Was just throwing out what he looked like. I obviously should've done a bunch of research before making that comment

Haha... yes, please research all posts

[ShotgunDawg]

Good observation. Why isn't he bigger?

Must have a frame that he can't put weight on. It's the single hardest thing about evaluation. Body types are hard to predict

To reverse engineer it, he's got a really long face & neck & most long face, neck people remain lean. It's just the way he's put together.

[msstate7]

Like that Spivey

[Scared_Hitless]

I think we will beat TN and KY. Win the out of conference and Ark and OM and its a good season

[BayouDawg]

It’s very long and nowhere close to Rivers. He’s going to have to modify it.

Sure he will have to modify it. What incoming frosh qb doesnt have to? It isnt a wind up or a hitch so it will be easier to work with is what Im saying. It looks sort of shot put which reminds me of Rivers.

[Scared_Hitless]

Beginning to think Mayden may be the guy he can sling it

[Bothrops]

With a good team LSU is a winnable game this year.

No.

[msstate7]

I think we will beat TN and KY. Win the out of conference and Ark and OM and its a good season

I would be very pleased with that. I think tenn is gonna be tough though

[ShotgunDawg]

I would be very pleased with that. I think tenn is gonna be tough though

IDK, they have no clue what they're doing offensively. It'll be low scoring

[bulldawg28]

Good observation. Why isn't he bigger?

Genes, but he doesn't need to get bigger.

[msstate7]

Beginning to think Mayden may be the guy he can sling it

Even the announcers lean mayden. The consensus of in-the-know guys here though is no competition; I'm not so sure

[Scared_Hitless]

I would be very pleased with that. I think tenn is gonna be tough though

I agree but winnable they were not very good last season. I still think Pruitt will flop. A&M will be a game that flips they look good

[ShotgunDawg]

Genes, but he doesn't need to get bigger.

He doesn't, but I thought he would. A little more strength may have made his mechanics more repeatable

[RocketDawg]

Must have a frame that he can't put weight on. It's the single hardest thing about evaluation. Body types are hard to predict

To reverse engineer it, he's got a really long face & neck & most long face, neck people remain lean. It's just the way he's put together.

My body type-frame readily allows weight gain.

[bobtail bob]

Team Mayden

[ShotgunDawg]

Even the announcers lean mayden. The consensus of in-the-know guys here though is no competition; I'm not so sure

The problem is that Mayden isn't the runner that KT is &, since we don't really have any WRs that can catch the ball anyway, it's hard for me to lean towards the passing QB.

I do agree that Mayden should potentially have a role in 3rd & long or when we are down by multiple scores, but it's tough for me to give up the running ability when that's likely what we'll do best

[Coach007]

Mayden has but one issue. Reading the defense fast enough to make a quick decision.

As of now... I like Mayden, Shrader, and KT in that order.

[Scared_Hitless]

The problem is that Mayden isn't the runner that KT is &, since we don't really have any WRs that can catch the ball anyway, it's hard for me to lean towards the passing QB.

I do agree that Mayden should potentially have a role in 3rd & long or when we are down by multiple scores, but it's tough for me to give up the running ability when that's likely what we'll do best

I think this is helpful more Kylin

[bulldawg28]

He doesn't, but I thought he would. A little more strength may have made his mechanics more repeatable

I agree. He seems to play better after he calms down. Dude is Wayne Madkinish out there with all the nerves.

[ShotgunDawg]

I think this is helpful more Kylin

It would be more helpful to Kylin to actually have a QB that can read the defense & but be a good enough runner to keep the LBs honest

[msstate7]

Moorhead, you are a supposed offensive genius, design run plays for hill and lean on our defense

[HoopsDawg]

We have 3 QB's that need a lot of reps. Why are we giving reps to Burnett & McMahon?

Why is Hill playing in the 2nd half? He should have played 1 series and then get him out.

[Coach007]

Moorhead, you are a supposed offensive genius, design run plays for hill and lean on our defense

Spring ball.....

[HoopsDawg]

Even the announcers lean mayden. The consensus of in-the-know guys here though is no competition; I'm not so sure

I guess you don't consider me in the know. LOL.

[bluelightstar]

I think Key looks much better now. Maybe he was a little too amped

[msstate7]

I guess you don't consider me in the know. LOL.

I haven't noticed you chime in on it. You mayden guy?

[ShotgunDawg]

I think Key looks much better now. Maybe he was a little too amped

He's no where we want him, but he still throws better than Fitz

I'm really liking Spivey

[msstate7]

That was a really nice touch pass

[Dental Dawg33]

Great touch on that throw

[ShotgunDawg]

While KT is streaky, he simply has waaaaaayyyyy more touch than Fitz.

It's going to give our offense some option we didn't have

[HoopsDawg]

I think Key looks much better now. Maybe he was a little too amped

Against scout team guys. Honestly, it doesn't matter, we have the worst WR's in the conference.

[Scared_Hitless]

Kt has a soft pass but his inaccuracy is evident this battle will go till the opener

[msstate7]

Atta boy, brule.

I was probably a little too amped to win the recruiting battle for him over ark, but I had a feeling about him. Hopefully he pans out

[HoopsDawg]

Kt has a soft pass but his inaccuracy is evident this battle will go till the opener

KT is probably the best runner with his quickness so he will probably be the guy b/c we are going to need to run it alot.

[RocketDawg]

Not many in the stands, but with the bad weather forecast and the baseball game, sparse attendance is to be expected. I just turned to the Alabama spring "game" for a minute, and they're at most 20% full. They'll probably report 50-60K, but 20K will be more accurate. And they don't have a baseball game to compete with.

[chef dixon]

7 on 7 is a waste of time here. Especially with the 4th and 5th stringer QB

[HoopsDawg]

7 on 7 is a waste of time here. Especially with the 4th and 5th stringer QB

complete waste.

[bulldawg28]

7 on 7 is a waste of time here. Especially with the 4th and 5th stringer QB

Those guys deserve to play during the spring game as well.

[Coach007]

Yep. Let em play

[HoopsDawg]

We are 3 players short. QB, DT, and a WR.

[HoopsDawg]

Those guys deserve to play during the spring game as well.

Yes, in the last series or two of the scrimmage.

[Maroonthirteen]

In the board's opinion was joe a down grade from Don Munson ?



Well, Joe is definitely an upgrade from Croom, Felker and many others before them. Soooo.... perspective.

[ShotgunDawg]

Even that little flick right there by KT is an upgrade from last year

[DownwardDawg]

It?s interesting to watch a game and NOT read a game thread. Then come back and read through the thread.
Key looks to be the clear starter to me. It doesn?t look close. Schraeder looks terrible throwing the ball. Relf was more accurate.

I hope we are very run heavy.

[chef dixon]

Yea KT is the guy in my opinion

[HoopsDawg]

It?s interesting to watch a game and NOT read a game thread. Then come back and read through the thread.
Key looks to be the clear starter to me. It doesn?t look close. Schraeder looks terrible throwing the ball. Relf was more accurate.

I hope we are very run heavy.

I don't see how Schrader can ever play SEC football unless he changes his throwing motion...and that is very difficult to do.

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't see how Schrader can ever play SEC football unless he changes his throwing motion...and that is very difficult to do.

Good gracious. This is a little extreme. I think he looks fine. Let's see where he is this time next year

[ShotgunDawg]

KT has touch on the endzone passes that we haven't had since Dak

[HoopsDawg]

KT has touch on the endzone passes that we haven't had since Dak

You are going crazy on KT today. But it's the spring so go for it.

[HoopsDawg]

Good gracious. This is a little extreme. I think he looks fine. Let's see where he is this time next year

I'm not writing him off, just saying he has a long way to go.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

I'm not writing him off, just saying he has a long way to go.

Haven’t been able to watch. Has he thrown a deep ball yet?

[parabrave]

Are we still waiting till 4 seconds to go till the ball is snapped?

[ShotgunDawg]

How shameful is this?

Bama lying about their Spring Game attendance. Shows you that despite all their success, they are still so insecure.


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Attendance estimated at 62,219. Some of the skyboxes must be REALLY full of people.

[Really Clark?]

Nick Fitzgerald completed more passes in the 2016 spring game and the 2017 spring game, and that didn’t have a bunch of seven on seven throws...sorry our QB’s still are worrisome

[msstate7]

Auburn is playing a 7-on-7 drill now and the ball isn't touching the ground

[Bothrops]

I'm not writing him off, just saying he has a long way to go.

As a true freshman, he looked better than anyone I can remember ar MSU for a spring game.

[Bothrops]

Nick Fitzgerald completed more passes in the 2016 spring game and the 2017 spring game, and that didn’t have a bunch of seven on seven throws...sorry our QB’s still are worrisome

Our qb development is not where it's been under the former regime, that I can tell you.

[ShotgunDawg]

Auburn is playing a 7-on-7 drill now and the ball isn't touching the ground

The good news is that we've got an easy early slate to break guys in. I think this team can be good, but somethings have to come together.

I don't know what our identity is yet & we'll need to develop that

[ShotgunDawg]

Our qb development is not where it's been under the former regime, that I can tell you.

I don't know if our QB development is worse or Joe is just unwilling to play completely to their strength. Mullen always played to the QBs strength

[Todd4State]

Key looks MUCH better throwing to Whop, Austin Williams, and Spivey. He just has a much better rapport with them. Guidry looked lazy. Osirus just isn't very good. Green had two drops. The KEY is going to be will our coaching staff start the underclass WR's that have a better rapport and appear to be more productive over Guidry and Mitchell? That held us back more than anything when Dan was the coach. I hope it doesn't continue to hold us back. To me, it looked like the issue is more our WR's than Key. Particularly Guidry and Mitchell. Guidry dropped a slant in his chest and then it looked like he completely gave up on another route which wasn't a bad pass. I think that may be why Key looks indecisive at times. He doesn't know what the hell Guidry is going to do and I don't know that he trusts Mitchell all that much. Spivey really stood out too.

I thought the running game looked good and we will be fine there.

I think the defense will be fine too. Not number one in the country but probably top 20 which I can live with. I bet we try to get that guy from Vanderbilt that is in the transfer portal. Aaron Brule continues to impress me. He probably should play a lot somehow.

Kickers didn't look great but I think Christmann and the South Alabama transfer will improve our kicking game.

[Todd4State]

I don't know if our QB development is worse or Joe is just unwilling to play completely to their strength. Mullen always played to the QBs strength

Hi Tyler Russell!

[chef dixon]

I agree that Guidry is just sloppy

[msstate7]

Auburn has 2 QBs better than us

[HoopsDawg]

The good news is that we've got an easy early slate to break guys in. I think this team can be good, but somethings have to come together.

I don't know what our identity is yet & we'll need to develop that

My big worry is that teams are going to be able to just run between the tackles vs us and we can't stop it. Then we will have to commit more people to stop the run and they will throw over the top. Look at that Rivers run vs our first team D-line. Chauncey Rivers cut up field, Lovett got collapsed down by the guard and Rivers scores from 10 yards out.

[Really Clark?]

Hi Tyler Russell!

What? We went from very run heavy to 50/50 run pass in Tyler’s first year as a starter.

[RezDog7]

Schraeder does not run a 4.4. And he?s nowhere close to ready. That motion isn?t going to work in the SEC.

You ever watched Phillip Rivers throw the football? It's very similar.

[RezDog7]

It?s interesting to watch a game and NOT read a game thread. Then come back and read through the thread.
Key looks to be the clear starter to me. It doesn?t look close. Schraeder looks terrible throwing the ball. Relf was more accurate.

I hope we are very run heavy.

I agree that KT is the guy and it's not close. The receivers still suck. So tried of seeing dropped passes.

[Todd4State]

What? We went from very run heavy to 50/50 run pass in Tyler’s first year as a starter.

He also had 43 rushing attempts.

[HoopsDawg]

You ever watched Phillip Rivers throw the football? It's very similar.

Not even close. Rivers has one of the quickest releases in the NFL.

[ShotgunDawg]

My big worry is that teams are going to be able to just run between the tackles vs us and we can't stop it. Then we will have to commit more people to stop the run and they will throw over the top. Look at that Rivers run vs our first team D-line. Chauncey Rivers cut up field, Lovett got collapsed down by the guard and Rivers scores from 10 yards out.

Maybe, but we've got talented younger guys + Pickering coming in with an easy early slate. I think our DL will be better by the time the SEC schedule heats up.

We have talent, but need to add a grad transfer

[msstate7]

Nix looks really good for auburn

[Bothrops]

Auburn has 2 QBs better than us

How many are transfers? We need to get in that game somehow.

[msstate7]

How many are transfers? We need to get in that game somehow.

Nix is a 5-star freshman
Willis is a guy they recruited
Cord Sandberg in now

[HoopsDawg]

Maybe, but we've got talented younger guys + Pickering coming in with an easy early slate. I think our DL will be better by the time the SEC schedule heats up.

We have talent, but need to add a grad transfer

We have some talent, but it's not Day 1 talent like Simmons, Chris Jones, Josh Boyd, Fletcher Cox. All of those guys were really good as freshman. Our guys are going to be good, but I don't know if they are going to be good this season. A transfer is a must but who is that guy and can we get him? Really need a WR too. Guidry is the only guy who can separate and he has other weaknesses.

[Cooterpoot]

You ever watched Phillip Rivers throw the football? It's very similar.

A million times. When G drops back and it’s not a quick toss, his motion is very long. Rivers isn’t long. Just has a funny delivery. G will redshirt and work to fix it.

[HoopsDawg]

Nix looks really good for auburn

I watched Nix a lot in high school. He's a star. Future All SEC QB for sure.

[msstate7]

I watched Nix a lot in high school. He's a star. Future All SEC QB for sure.

Might be this year. He's running 1st team, and it's apparent, he's a stud

[Really Clark?]

He also had 43 rushing attempts.

Really? Tyler is the only starting QB that didn’t rush well over 100 times a season. Dak as the backup ran it 33 times. Come on, Dan totally went more pass for Tyler. Big adjustment to his offense.

[Todd4State]

Really? Tyler is the only starting QB that didn’t rush well over 100 times a season. Dak as the backup ran it 33 times. Come on, Dan totally went more pass for Tyler. Big adjustment to his offense.

You're right. Running it 43 times with a drop back passer is completely adjusting your offense to your QB.**

[Really Clark?]

You're right. Running it 43 times with a drop back passer is completely adjusting your offense to your QB.**

Well 3.3 times per game for 13 games and it will include scrambles and sacks...yeah it was a huge adjustment

[bulldawg28]

Key looks MUCH better throwing to Whop, Austin Williams, and Spivey. He just has a much better rapport with them. Guidry looked lazy. Osirus just isn't very good. Green had two drops. The KEY is going to be will our coaching staff start the underclass WR's that have a better rapport and appear to be more productive over Guidry and Mitchell? That held us back more than anything when Dan was the coach. I hope it doesn't continue to hold us back. To me, it looked like the issue is more our WR's than Key. Particularly Guidry and Mitchell. Guidry dropped a slant in his chest and then it looked like he completely gave up on another route which wasn't a bad pass. I think that may be why Key looks indecisive at times. He doesn't know what the hell Guidry is going to do and I don't know that he trusts Mitchell all that much. Spivey really stood out too.

I thought the running game looked good and we will be fine there.

I think the defense will be fine too. Not number one in the country but probably top 20 which I can live with. I bet we try to get that guy from Vanderbilt that is in the transfer portal. Aaron Brule continues to impress me. He probably should play a lot somehow.

Kickers didn't look great but I think Christmann and the South Alabama transfer will improve our kicking game.

I agree the coaches need to find the best fits on offense that help the Qb. They failed in this department last year with Fitz passing and Hill blocking. Wherever Williams was in on passing downs it was a totally different comfort level and better completions for Fitz.

[NCDawg]

You ever watched Phillip Rivers throw the football? It's very similar.

I was thinking the same thing. Nothing wrong with Shrader's arm. Looks to me like he throws a very catchable pass. I think we have 3 very good QBs, any of which can get the job done.

[bulldawg28]

Might be this year. He's running 1st team, and it's apparent, he's a stud

No he's not. Nix will not be the starter for Auburn this year and potentially next year. Joey Gatewood is the starter and is scary good and athletic. Nix is a Stidham clone.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Alright just now watching the spring game.
1st possession - dropped pass, tackle for loss KH, overthrown
2nd possession, KH run for 15. TE dropped screen pass. KT run for 5. Mitchell catch for 15. KT threw a would be interception. KH for 5 .kH with the 1st down. KH takes a shot at the 1. KH TD. Only threw the ball 2 times that drive, one drop.

[Walkerhill]

I think we will beat TN and KY. Win the out of conference and Ark and OM and its a good season

Exactly, K-State is starting a major rebuild and the other 3 non-conf games are wins. Ark, OM are should wins and UK lost a lot a should be a win again also. Probably our floor is 6 and likely ceiling is 7 unless the defensive tackles and passing game improve considerably. Maybe the narrowest range in the country for a Power 5 team.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Could we schedule a exhibition game against UM or something for our spring game?

[chef dixon]

Some quick thoughts:

Whop and Austin Williams looked like they are ready to make a jump. Guidry is basically what is he which is sloppy. At TE Spivey played pretty well and Farrod couldn't catch anything today.

KT seemed to settle in and make some good throws. Mayden definitely is more fluid but we didn't exactly let him loose and the pick 6 was obviously bad. Good to see Shrader play, but I don't see any scenario where he doesn't redshirt.

Kylin will be a beast next year. Gibson isn't much of a drop off and the O-line looks the part.

Marquiss Spencer is a grown ass man. D-line will improve as the season goes on so I'm glad our schedule is soft to start.

We have a quite few NFL players in the back 7 on D.

We have too many punters for none of them to step up and at least boot it closer to 45 yards per kick.

The 7v7 portion I felt was pretty pointless, but I'm not getting paid 2 million to make that decision.

[Bothrops]

Cumbest will help the passing game, but we should have been able to pick up a good WR transfer. Since we couldn't, we are more limited on offense and I think the ceiling is 6 with Kentucky, Arkansas and OM as possible conference wins, but think we could drop one of those and go 2-6 6-6.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Well the rumor this morning about the spring game being scrapped or moved to a standard practice got me. Also the rumor the baseball game got moved to tomorrow, got me

[Cooterpoot]

We have no WRs, QB play is marginal at best. Same as last year. OL will be ok, same as last year. DL will see a big drop off, but will be ok if we stay healthy and down wear down in games. Not many concerns at LB and DB.
I’m still not a fan of this offense, but Joe has this year to convince me otherwise by showing some sort of improvement somewhere. Even if it’s just better QB reads and WR routes. I’m going 7-5 this year. But we’ll have to earn it. TN game could get us to 8 wins. KY loss to 6 wins. Just need to see something from this offense.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Does Guidry get a catch or just 2 drops on 5 targets.

[Coach007]

In spring games, in look more toward trenches and defense.

1- Our defense will be top 10 again, and the following season will be a major concern.

2- our Dl is not great, but it's is deep. I see that spot being the surprise of the defense. If we do add a grad transfer, it will just add to it.

3- OL... cross vs rivers..... simply put... Cross will leave early. He is ready now. Needs more weight, but could play.

4- I can not imagine there being no improvement on offense, specifically passing. We have 2 guys that should be able to handle that offense and 1 who will be a beast within 1 year. The transition Shrader made in a short period of time is leaps above what we have seen... ever. If he was the man, he would be ready and this team would not be worse off. Having said that, he will red shirt because he wont make us better. If either of our QBs can reach 60% we will challenge everyone.

[MarketingBully]

Cumbest will help the passing game, but we should have been able to pick up a good WR transfer. Since we couldn't, we are more limited on offense and I think the ceiling is 6 with Kentucky, Arkansas and OM as possible conference wins, but think we could drop one of those and go 2-6 6-6.

OM, ARK, and UK suck ass. We will win all of our OOC and win those three plus the TN game and finish at least 8-4. It’s not that hard. We have more talent then those 3 teams you named. Only games which are sure losses imo are Alabama, LSU, and A&M. I really don’t understand this negative taint you guys seem to have with Moorhead and this team.

[MarketingBully]

We have no WRs, QB play is marginal at best. Same as last year. OL will be ok, same as last year. DL will see a big drop off, but will be ok if we stay healthy and down wear down in games. Not many concerns at LB and DB.
I’m still not a fan of this offense, but Joe has this year to convince me otherwise by showing some sort of improvement somewhere. Even if it’s just better QB reads and WR routes. I’m going 7-5 this year. But we’ll have to earn it. TN game could get us to 8 wins. KY loss to 6 wins. Just need to see something from this offense.


Ky is not good but at least you are saying 7-5 so I’ll give you that. Kentucky hasn’t beaten us in Starkville since what the Croom years?

[Homedawg]

Wow. Shrader is one hell of an athlete. Better feet and quicker than Fitz.

Looks exactly like Matt Jones out there

Omg..: Matt Jones ran a 4.3. Try again

[Homedawg]

And Shrader is 6'5" & ran a 4.4

No. No he doesn't. Not electronic timer. Not close. Stop.

[Homedawg]

I don?t get much from a spring game but it?s going to be a bit of a struggle this year. I?m guessing 7-5 max. I predict Mayden ends up at QB.

Well considering again this week I had two coaches again say it wasn't close between kt and Mayden, of Mayden is an we won't win 6. Cause kt has wet the bed and Jomo has hit panic button.

[R2Dawg]

Talk to me in the fall. We'll see who's closer to being right. 7 is the ceiling.

I'd say 9 is ceiling and 6 the floor. Our D is still pretty good; back 7 are nasty good. I think our OL and RB are good enough to help us along early and if passing game develops that is where we find our ceiling if not then the floor.

[msstate7]

Well considering again this week I had two coaches again say it wasn't close between kt and Mayden, of Mayden is an we won't win 6. Cause kt has wet the bed and Jomo has hit panic button.

Do you think we'll use designed rb carries more this season?

[Homedawg]

Atta boy, brule.

I was probably a little too amped to win the recruiting battle for him over ark, but I had a feeling about him. Hopefully he pans out

They like him

[Homedawg]

Do you think we'll use designed rb carries more this season?

I'd love to say yes. But if he didn't last year. Who knows. But I find it amazing already, after catching up on 4 pages of this thread, shockingly, the guys who wanted kt in last year already are calling for Mayden. There seams to be a trend. I'm certain they will start the best guy we have. Now that might not be very good but still. I'm saying 6-6. 7-5 maybe. Miracle for 8-4. 5-7 is possible too.

[maroonmania]

We have no WRs, QB play is marginal at best. Same as last year. OL will be ok, same as last year. DL will see a big drop off, but will be ok if we stay healthy and down wear down in games. Not many concerns at LB and DB.
I’m still not a fan of this offense, but Joe has this year to convince me otherwise by showing some sort of improvement somewhere. Even if it’s just better QB reads and WR routes. I’m going 7-5 this year. But we’ll have to earn it. TN game could get us to 8 wins. KY loss to 6 wins. Just need to see something from this offense.

But on the bright side, our cheerleading squad is expected to be much improved.***

[Homedawg]

I'd say 9 is ceiling and 6 the floor. Our D is still pretty good; back 7 are nasty good. I think our OL and RB are good enough to help us along early and if passing game develops that is where we find our ceiling if not then the floor.


9???? Hahahahaha. We didn't win 9 w the best d in the country. People aren't factoring in our DT problem near enough. Shoop is a sharp guy and will do his best to deal w it. But our best 3 dt's will be fr. And one other sr who saw some snaps. It's a short term problem. But it's a problem. And we are in panic mode trying to find one.

[Homedawg]

In spring games, in look more toward trenches and defense.

1- Our defense will be top 10 again, and the following season will be a major concern.

2- our Dl is not great, but it's is deep. I see that spot being the surprise of the defense. If we do add a grad transfer, it will just add to it.

3- OL... cross vs rivers..... simply put... Cross will leave early. He is ready now. Needs more weight, but could play.

4- I can not imagine there being no improvement on offense, specifically passing. We have 2 guys that should be able to handle that offense and 1 who will be a beast within 1 year. The transition Shrader made in a short period of time is leaps above what we have seen... ever. If he was the man, he would be ready and this team would not be worse off. Having said that, he will red shirt because he wont make us better. If either of our QBs can reach 60% we will challenge everyone.

If our defense is top ten give Shoop a lifetime contract

[msstate7]

If our defense is top ten give Shoop a lifetime contract

Or our HC job

[R2Dawg]

I agree that KT is the guy and it's not close. The receivers still suck. So tried of seeing dropped passes.

Austin Williams again spring game MVP catching the ball. Something just doesn't add up with that?

[R2Dawg]

9???? Hahahahaha. We didn't win 9 w the best d in the country. People aren't factoring in our DT problem near enough. Shoop is a sharp guy and will do his best to deal w it. But our best 3 dt's will be fr. And one other sr who saw some snaps. It's a short term problem. But it's a problem. And we are in panic mode trying to find one.

Look at our Schedule, if we get a passing game to go with our run game our D doesn't have to be #1 in country. We wasted #1 D last year, I'm still not sure how Joe did that.

Only sure losses right now to me is Bama and we'll lose 2 of either Auburn, LSU, TAMU; lots of toss up games depending on how we play.

[DownwardDawg]

OM, ARK, and UK suck ass. We will win all of our OOC and win those three plus the TN game and finish at least 8-4. It’s not that hard. We have more talent then those 3 teams you named. Only games which are sure losses imo are Alabama, LSU, and A&M. I really don’t understand this negative taint you guys seem to have with Moorhead and this team.

I’m with you 100%. I say 8-4.

[msstate7]

Look at our Schedule, if we get a passing game to go with our run game our D doesn't have to be #1 in country. We wasted #1 D last year, I'm still not sure how Joe did that.

Only sure losses right now to me is Bama and we'll lose 2 of either Auburn, LSU, TAMU; lots of toss up games depending on how we play.

I'd be pretty shocked if we won one of auburn, LSU, and aTm

[RocketDawg]

9???? Hahahahaha. We didn't win 9 w the best d in the country. People aren't factoring in our DT problem near enough. Shoop is a sharp guy and will do his best to deal w it. But our best 3 dt's will be fr. And one other sr who saw some snaps. It's a short term problem. But it's a problem. And we are in panic mode trying to find one.

Well, we'll beat Bama at least. **

al.com said that Alabama didn't look very good today, with Tua's first team losing badly.

[msstate7]

Well, we'll beat Bama at least. **

al.com said that Alabama didn't look very good today, with Tua's first team losing badly.

Saban mess his hip up from stomping?**

If Bama does slip, it will probably still be good enough to win west bc LSU gets Florida, aTm gets Georgia, and auburn gets Georgia

[Todd4State]

Austin Williams again spring game MVP catching the ball. Something just doesn't add up with that?

I think he and Key are good together. It wasn't just the spring games. It was Stephen F Austin and also Arkansas as well when Key got an extended look.

What doesn't add up to me is Guidry and Osirus being number ones at this point. Guidry has talent but I think he's a headcase who is lazy and probably needs a kick in the ass from the coaching staff. Benching him or making him a WR2 probably would do the trick. Osirus I just don't think he's very good. Lots of drops and just inconsistent overall.


I'm just worried that we're going to see the upperclassmen privilege thing at MSU again with football- the ONE sport we really can't afford to that in. It would be like us starting Plumlee and Keegan over Ginn and forcing Ginn to start midweek because he's a freshman. It's ridiculous.

[Todd4State]

I agree the coaches need to find the best fits on offense that help the Qb. They failed in this department last year with Fitz passing and Hill blocking. Wherever Williams was in on passing downs it was a totally different comfort level and better completions for Fitz.

I agree too. He needs to show a little more flexibility in his system. It's almost too simple. Very rarely do we see two back sets- when in our top five guys at least two are easily running backs whether you are talking last year with Hill/Aeris or this year with Hill/Gibson. Put some more straight handoffs in too.

[Todd4State]

And while I am on a rant about this- how in the hell can we preach "blue collar hard working team" when we have Guidry out there half assing it and listed as number one on the depth chart?

His effort just pissed me off today.

[chef dixon]

And while I am on a rant about this- how in the hell can we preach "blue collar hard working team" when we have Guidry out there half assing it and listed as number one on the depth chart?

His effort just pissed me off today.

We keep hearing "Guidry is so talented" but its clear to me he can't catch and that's a big part of talent as a WR. There was also a slant route at one point where it looks like he didn't even make an attempt at the ball, although hard to tell how off the throw was from the angle.

Also agree about Austin. He and KT seem to have good rapport.

[Todd4State]

We keep hearing "Guidry is so talented" but its clear to me he can't catch and that's a big part of talent as a WR. There was also a slant route at one point where it looks like he didn't even make an attempt at the ball, although hard to tell how off the throw was from the angle.

Also agree about Austin. He and KT seem to have good rapport.

That's what's frustrating. Guidry HAS talent. But I don't believe he has the intangibles to apply it. He should be much better than he is. And that one play that you are talking about is one of the things I noticed. I do agree that his fundamentals with catching the ball are poor as well.

[RocketDawg]

Saban mess his hip up from stomping?**

If Bama does slip, it will probably still be good enough to win west bc LSU gets Florida, aTm gets Georgia, and auburn gets Georgia

Yeah I think he must have. Heard he might miss several weeks of golfing. Wonder if it's a hip replacement.

[Homedawg]

Or our HC job

No thanks.

[HoopsDawg]

I'd be pretty shocked if we won one of auburn, LSU, and aTm

College football schedules are LOL. Especially ours. Is there another team in the country with such disparity. I mean we play Louisiana, USM, and Abilene Christian and we also play Alabama, AU, and LSU. No balance.

We can be a below average team and still win 6 games. And if Moorhead wins 7, 80% of the fanbase will want to give him a big raise.

[Homedawg]

I think he and Key are good together. It wasn't just the spring games. It was Stephen F Austin and also Arkansas as well when Key got an extended look.

What doesn't add up to me is Guidry and Osirus being number ones at this point. Guidry has talent but I think he's a headcase who is lazy and probably needs a kick in the ass from the coaching staff. Benching him or making him a WR2 probably would do the trick. Osirus I just don't think he's very good. Lots of drops and just inconsistent overall.


I'm just worried that we're going to see the upperclassmen privilege thing at MSU again with football- the ONE sport we really can't afford to that in. It would be like us starting Plumlee and Keegan over Ginn and forcing Ginn to start midweek because he's a freshman. It's ridiculous.

Id love to agree w you, but who are we gonna start? We have very little talent there. It's sad.

[bulldawg28]

Does Guidry get a catch or just 2 drops on 5 targets.

I didn't see a catch. Whop should take his spot. Guidry fears the moment.

[Todd4State]

Id love to agree w you, but who are we gonna start? We have very little talent there. It's sad.

Whop and Austin Williams, Deddrick, and either Dontae Jones or Spivey at TE. I agree that's not a deep group but at least Whop and Austin appear to have some rapport with Key. Green had a bad day IMO but he has at least proven that's not the norm for him. I'd try to get a grad transfer in at WR too. Starting that group I'm hoping would cause Guidry to wake up. It might not but at least we have some guys that look like they can at least catch the ball somewhat consistently.

[bulldawg28]

Id love to agree w you, but who are we gonna start? We have very little talent there. It's sad.

Whop and Payton

[Todd4State]

Whop and Payton

I want to see Payton in person first. We almost need him to be good right away.

[Bothrops]

I'd be pretty shocked if we won one of auburn, LSU, and aTm

LSU will beat us by at least 4 touchdowns. Auburn is on the road, plus better than us, and aTm is on the road.

[HoopsDawg]

Whop and Payton

Payton was the 3rd WR on his Juco team.

[HoopsDawg]

Whop and Austin Williams, Deddrick, and either Dontae Jones or Spivey at TE. I agree that's not a deep group but at least Whop and Austin appear to have some rapport with Key. Green had a bad day IMO but he has at least proven that's not the norm for him. I'd try to get a grad transfer in at WR too. Starting that group I'm hoping would cause Guidry to wake up. It might not but at least we have some guys that look like they can at least catch the ball somewhat consistently.

You want to start Williams and Whop on the outside?

[Todd4State]

You want to start Williams and Whop on the outside?

Not ideally. But if he is better than Guidry and Osirus- yes. If Payton steps up and can play the other outside WR or Guidry gets his head out of his ass it would change my opinion.

[Homedawg]

Whop and Payton

So a guy who is behind the guy and a guy who hasn't stepped on campus. And we start 3 wr. It's like the backup qb theory when next guy is bound to be better. Fact is we don't have much talent there. Fact. Until proven otherwise. But wait til next year.....that's what I've heard forever.
ETA- Payton might be the answer however, it's nothing more than a hope or a guess. He comes in w way less accolades than Guidry at the same point in his career

[Todd4State]

Payton was the 3rd WR on his Juco team.

He was also the number three rated JUCO WR in the country and had Tennessee and Kentucky trying to steal him from us and was committed to Ole Miss at one point. Don't listen to that sevendust bullshit.

WR's are stat dependent partially on their QB and when they are the top guy every team is going to scheme against them so that they don't get beat by him. He also had a higher average per catch than their "top two" receivers.

[HoopsDawg]

He was also the number three rated JUCO WR in the country and had Tennessee and Kentucky trying to steal him from us and was committed to Ole Miss at one point. Don't listen to that sevendust bullshit.

WR's are stat dependent partially on their QB and when they are the top guy every team is going to scheme against them so that they don't get beat by him. He also had a higher average per catch than their "top two" receivers.

We almost dropped him after he visited UT.

[Todd4State]

We almost dropped him after he visited UT.

But we didn't. And a lot of that was just spin. Because if we really didn't want him or didn't think he was worth the time we would have dropped him. Even the announcers on TV said that Joe was expecting him to come in and contribute right away.

[MarketingBully]

College football schedules are LOL. Especially ours. Is there another team in the country with such disparity. I mean we play Louisiana, USM, and Abilene Christian and we also play Alabama, AU, and LSU. No balance.

We can be a below average team and still win 6 games. And if Moorhead wins 7, 80% of the fanbase will want to give him a big raise.

Well you guys are pumping it up like it would be a miracle if we won 8 when fact of the matter is the only game we will get outclassed in is the Alabama game. We beat Auburn and A&M last year and LSU still has O. A&M hasn?t beaten us since 2015 and Auburn lost a lot off a meh team last year. I think everyone just had such a bad taste in their mouth from a coach who went 8-5 last year that they don?t think he will do just as well with a softer schedule. Meanwhile, four of our losses were to 3 NY6 teams and a the best UK team in 40 years. UK also lost everyone of consequence off that team as well. I think we will be okay and finish 8-4 and the negative nancies who are predicting gloom and doom will still bitch and complain with that result.

[MarketingBully]

LSU will beat us by at least 4 touchdowns. Auburn is on the road, plus better than us, and aTm is on the road.

LSU still has O. I doubt they score 4 touchdowns.

[Homedawg]

But we didn't. And a lot of that was just spin. Because if we really didn't want him or didn't think he was worth the time we would have dropped him. Even the announcers on TV said that Joe was expecting him to come in and contribute right away.

And I pray he will. But the same people were saying Guidry would too. So there's that.

[HoopsDawg]

Well you guys are pumping it up like it would be a miracle if we won 8 when fact of the matter is the only game we will get outclassed in is the Alabama game. We beat Auburn and A&M last year and LSU still has O. A&M hasn?t beaten us since 2015 and Auburn lost a lot off a meh team last year. I think everyone just had such a bad taste in their mouth from a coach who went 8-5 last year that they don?t think he will do just as well with a softer schedule. Meanwhile, four of our losses were to 3 NY6 teams and a the best UK team in 40 years. UK also lost everyone of consequence off that team as well. I think we will be okay and finish 8-4 and the negative nancies who are predicting gloom and doom will still bitch and complain with that result.

We aren't going 8-4. If we do, no one should complain. 8-4 in 2019 is a different story than 8-4 last year.

[Homedawg]

Well you guys are pumping it up like it would be a miracle if we won 8 when fact of the matter is the only game we will get outclassed in is the Alabama game. We beat Auburn and A&M last year and LSU still has O. A&M hasn?t beaten us since 2015 and Auburn lost a lot off a meh team last year. I think everyone just had such a bad taste in their mouth from a coach who went 8-5 last year that they don?t think he will do just as well with a softer schedule. Meanwhile, four of our losses were to 3 NY6 teams and a the best UK team in 40 years. UK also lost everyone of consequence off that team as well. I think we will be okay and finish 8-4 and the negative nancies who are predicting gloom and doom will still bitch and complain with that result.

No I won't. I'll be tickled. But I'll still be pissed we screwed away the best defense in the country but I'm willing to bet you we don't go 8-4. Name your price.

[MarketingBully]

We aren't going 8-4. If we do, no one should complain. 8-4 in 2019 is a different story than 8-4 last year.

We have a better chance of going 8-4 then 5-7 or 6-6 imo.

[MarketingBully]

No I won't. I'll be tickled. But I'll still be pissed we screwed away the best defense in the country but I'm willing to bet you we don't go 8-4. Name your price.

Getting to 7 wins with our schedule is a cake walk (4 easy OOC games and beating shitty Ark, OM, and Kentucky). Those imo are all wins which means we only have to beat Tennessee to get to 8-4. So you’re saying that’s impossible? The stars aligned for Kentucky last year and they don’t have anyone like Allen or that RB on their team in 2019. Florida was a NY6 team who won their bowl and we were a dropped pass away from beating them. They are replaced by a meh Tennessee team that is being led by an O-like moron in Pruitt. We were two dropped passes from finishing 10-3 on the season. We will be okay in 2019. A lot of teams on our schedule have a hell of a lot of deficiencies as well minus Alabama who basically has the number 1 recruiting class every year.

[DancingRabbit]

We aren't going 8-4. If we do, no one should complain. 8-4 in 2019 is a different story than 8-4 last year.

Three years ago we went 5-7, so you never know.

But if you know something, Vegas says bring it on.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/story.cfm/story/1963735

[Todd4State]

Getting to 7 wins with our schedule is a cake walk (4 easy OOC games and beating shitty Ark, OM, and Kentucky). Those imo are all wins which means we only have to beat Tennessee to get to 8-4. So you’re saying that’s impossible? The stars aligned for Kentucky last year and they don’t have anyone like Allen or that RB on their team in 2019. Florida was a NY6 team who won their bowl and we were a dropped pass away from beating them. They are replaced by a meh Tennessee team that is being led by an O-like moron in Pruitt. We were two dropped passes from finishing 10-3 on the season. We will be okay in 2019. A lot of teams on our schedule have a hell of a lot of deficiencies as well minus Alabama who basically has the number 1 recruiting class every year.

To me it comes down to:

1. Will we be able and willing to sit Guidry and play Whop over him and use Williams in the slot?

2. Auburn is a wild card. Are they National Championship caliber Auburn? Are they 8-4 Auburn? Are the 3 win dumpster fire Auburn? If they either of the first two we probably lose there. If they lose to Oregon and A&M I like our odds. That's a season defining swing game for both of us.

3. Is Tennessee this years UK? With our "luck"** yes. But they play Florida and Georgia before us while we have a bye week. If they upset either of those two we could have a problem there. Those to games will determine our psyche going into the LSU game which will be tough. And then also our psyche going into the Texas A&M game after that as well. If we lose four in a row how will our team mentally handle going into Fayetteville with a four game losing streak?

4. I do think we have a chance to finish strong. Alabama is impossible to beat for us no matter what and the officials won't allow it although we will play our ass off. I think we find a way to beat Arkansas, and then we have Abeline Christian and Ole Miss at home.

When we've had a "1999" or "1980" or "2010" or "2014" season we had to have things break our way with the schedule. It's not a coincidence that we played Vanderbilt three of those four seasons. I know that was a sticking point with 1999 that we didn't have to play Tennessee, Florida, or Georgia that year but that was just how the schedule fell. Same with 1998 although we actually lost to UK that year. Anyway- we need to pull for Oregon and A&M to beat Auburn, Florida to beat Kentucky, Florida and Georgia to beat Tennessee, Texas and Florida to beat LSU, Clemson and Bama to beat A&M, and for Arkansas to not have any upsets.

[Todd4State]

Three years ago we went 5-7, so you never know.

But if you know something, Vegas says bring it on.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/story.cfm/story/1963735

Wait- wasn't the greatest coach ever in MSU history our coach then? How could that be?**

[MarketingBully]

To me it comes down to:

1. Will we be able and willing to sit Guidry and play Whop over him and use Williams in the slot?

2. Auburn is a wild card. Are they National Championship caliber Auburn? Are they 8-4 Auburn? Are the 3 win dumpster fire Auburn? If they either of the first two we probably lose there. If they lose to Oregon and A&M I like our odds. That's a season defining swing game for both of us.

3. Is Tennessee this years UK? With our "luck"** yes. But they play Florida and Georgia before us while we have a bye week. If they upset either of those two we could have a problem there. Those to games will determine our psyche going into the LSU game which will be tough. And then also our psyche going into the Texas A&M game after that as well. If we lose four in a row how will our team mentally handle going into Fayetteville with a four game losing streak?

4. I do think we have a chance to finish strong. Alabama is impossible to beat for us no matter what and the officials won't allow it although we will play our ass off. I think we find a way to beat Arkansas, and then we have Abeline Christian and Ole Miss at home.

When we've had a "1999" or "1980" or "2010" or "2014" season we had to have things break our way with the schedule. It's not a coincidence that we played Vanderbilt three of those four seasons. I know that was a sticking point with 1999 that we didn't have to play Tennessee, Florida, or Georgia that year but that was just how the schedule fell. Same with 1998 although we actually lost to UK that year. Anyway- we need to pull for Oregon and A&M to beat Auburn, Florida to beat Kentucky, Florida and Georgia to beat Tennessee, Texas and Florida to beat LSU, Clemson and Bama to beat A&M, and for Arkansas to not have any upsets.

Tennessee isn’t this year’s Kentucky. Their OL is going to hold them back. It’s probably one of the worst in the conference. I’d say they are a 5 to 7 win team max. They built their rep off beating a meh Auburn team which Pruitt studied Malzhan’s formations and knew exactly when Auburn was going to run and pass and they beat Kentucky who seems to have a mind block on Tennessee and this was right after Georgia blasted Kentucky so it was a let down game. As stated, we will easily get to 7 as we easily our talent 7 of the 12 teams on our schedule then it’s just a matter of winning one of the following: Tennessee, Auburn, LSU, or A&M. I think we can get to 8.

[bulldawg28]

So a guy who is behind the guy and a guy who hasn't stepped on campus. And we start 3 wr. It's like the backup qb theory when next guy is bound to be better. Fact is we don't have much talent there. Fact. Until proven otherwise. But wait til next year.....that's what I've heard forever.
ETA- Payton might be the answer however, it's nothing more than a hope or a guess. He comes in w way less accolades than Guidry at the same point in his career

Yes, Whop caught every ball that touched his hands during The game. Guidry dropped every pass that touched his hands. That changes the depth chart. Guidry is starting off pure potential he has the worst hands on the team during games.

[msstate7]

Yes, Whop caught every ball that touched his hands during The game. Guidry dropped every pass that touched his hands. That changes the depth chart. Guidry is starting off pure potential he has the worst hands on the team during games.

5th highland and last highlight... this is why you stick with him unless he starts tweeting/crying on social media during halftime again

[msstate7]

5th highland and last highlight... this is why you stick with him unless he starts tweeting/crying on social media during halftime again

http://www.espn.com/college-football/video?gameId=401012321

[R2Dawg]

Whop and Austin Williams, Deddrick, and either Dontae Jones or Spivey at TE. I agree that's not a deep group but at least Whop and Austin appear to have some rapport with Key. Green had a bad day IMO but he has at least proven that's not the norm for him. I'd try to get a grad transfer in at WR too. Starting that group I'm hoping would cause Guidry to wake up. It might not but at least we have some guys that look like they can at least catch the ball somewhat consistently.

Agree with your WR list. Not sure I'd give up on Mitchel yet. Williams and Whop have got to see the field though. Williams catches anything within arms reach of him. Whop looks like the next Moulds (not saying he is because haven't seen enough yet but there is potential). Will MSU ever get another Eric Moulds, boy was he special.

[tcdog70]

Yes, Whop caught every ball that touched his hands during The game. Guidry dropped every pass that touched his hands. That changes the depth chart. Guidry is starting off pure potential he has the worst hands on the team during games.

Why do people keep thinking Guidry is good. He did zero in JUCO and he's been lacking at MSU. He can't catch a cold. We passed on Drummond and He is At Ole Miss. there are very good WRs in JUCO but we can't pick the right ones.

[Coach007]

To me it comes down to:

1. Will we be able and willing to sit Guidry and play Whop over him and use Williams in the slot?

2. Auburn is a wild card. Are they National Championship caliber Auburn? Are they 8-4 Auburn? Are the 3 win dumpster fire Auburn? If they either of the first two we probably lose there. If they lose to Oregon and A&M I like our odds. That's a season defining swing game for both of us.

3. Is Tennessee this years UK? With our "luck"** yes. But they play Florida and Georgia before us while we have a bye week. If they upset either of those two we could have a problem there. Those to games will determine our psyche going into the LSU game which will be tough. And then also our psyche going into the Texas A&M game after that as well. If we lose four in a row how will our team mentally handle going into Fayetteville with a four game losing streak?

4. I do think we have a chance to finish strong. Alabama is impossible to beat for us no matter what and the officials won't allow it although we will play our ass off. I think we find a way to beat Arkansas, and then we have Abeline Christian and Ole Miss at home.

When we've had a "1999" or "1980" or "2010" or "2014" season we had to have things break our way with the schedule. It's not a coincidence that we played Vanderbilt three of those four seasons. I know that was a sticking point with 1999 that we didn't have to play Tennessee, Florida, or Georgia that year but that was just how the schedule fell. Same with 1998 although we actually lost to UK that year. Anyway- we need to pull for Oregon and A&M to beat Auburn, Florida to beat Kentucky, Florida and Georgia to beat Tennessee, Texas and Florida to beat LSU, Clemson and Bama to beat A&M, and for Arkansas to not have any upsets.

1- Guidry has a year left to make an impression. The impression he makes can not be "half ass". He's capable.

2- Auburn is not a concern. Gus does not have control of that team. We handled them and will do so this year. We are going to have a great defense again with some improvements on offense.

Auburn has done a HORRIBLE job with training great talent. That OL is shit. And they are seniors this year... mostly REDSHIRT seniors.
- depth chart:

Left tackle:

Prince Tega Wanogho, redshirt senior, started all 13 games in 2018
Bailey Sharp, redshirt senior, appeared in 12 games as a reserve in 2018

Left guard:

Marquel Harrell, redshirt senior, started all 13 games in 2018
Kameron Stutts, redshirt freshman, appeared in two games

Center:

Kaleb Kim, redshirt senior, eight starts in 2018

Right guard:

Mike Horton, redshirt senior, started all 13 games in 2018

Right tackle:

Jack Driscoll, redshirt senior, started all 13 games in 2018
Austin Troxell, redshirt sophomore, appeared in all 13 games in 2018

Becoming a senior after being in that system for 5 years is not going to magically make them better. AND I like the outlook for the following year.

We will be 5-0 going into Aurburn... 6-0 coming out.

[msstate7]

1- Guidry has a year left to make an impression. The impression he makes can not be "half ass". He's capable.

2- Auburn is not a concern. Gus does not have control of that team. We handled them and will do so this year. We are going to have a great defense again with some improvements on offense.

Auburn has done a HORRIBLE job with training great talent. That OL is shit. And they are seniors this year... mostly REDSHIRT seniors.
- depth chart:

Left tackle:

Prince Tega Wanogho, redshirt senior, started all 13 games in 2018
Bailey Sharp, redshirt senior, appeared in 12 games as a reserve in 2018

Left guard:

Marquel Harrell, redshirt senior, started all 13 games in 2018
Kameron Stutts, redshirt freshman, appeared in two games

Center:

Kaleb Kim, redshirt senior, eight starts in 2018

Right guard:

Mike Horton, redshirt senior, started all 13 games in 2018

Right tackle:

Jack Driscoll, redshirt senior, started all 13 games in 2018
Austin Troxell, redshirt sophomore, appeared in all 13 games in 2018

Becoming a senior after being in that system for 5 years is not going to magically make them better. AND I like the outlook for the following year.

We will be 5-0 going into Aurburn... 6-0 coming out.

You show auburn returning pretty much their whole oline and say that's a good thing for us? What? Simmons and sweat ain't lining up on them this year. Last year, we had 3 sacks (all by sweat) and no TFL. Auburn missed a wide open td in that game, fumbled at the goal line, and missed a fg. Everything went right for us

[ShotgunDawg]

Watching the Spring Game again & JoMo needs a tipping point with this offense. He needs a QB & WR to take the bull by the horns & make it work.

I don't think he's a bad coach or that the offense is flawed, but at some point, someone has to take control & that hasn't happened yet.

Feels like the offense will just be stuck in sand, slowly treading along, until a QB & WR decide it times to step up. I'm not sure if the buy in & accountability is there yet in the locker room.

[ShotgunDawg]

I mean, KT started off 1/7 for yesterday. 1 for freaking 7.

Regardless of who's fault it is, players just aren't taking control of the situation & do what they need to do to make things work.

[bulldawg28]

Why do people keep thinking Guidry is good. He did zero in JUCO and he's been lacking at MSU. He can't catch a cold. We passed on Drummond and He is At Ole Miss. there are very good WRs in JUCO but we can't pick the right ones.

I have no idea why.

[Coach007]

You show auburn returning pretty much their whole oline and say that's a good thing for us? What? Simmons and sweat ain't lining up on them this year. Last year, we had 3 sacks (all by sweat) and no TFL. Auburn missed a wide open td in that game, fumbled at the goal line, and missed a fg. Everything went right for us

Yep. I showed an OL that was shit last year and the lack of development by Gus's coaching. They are not going to be improved.

- their QB had a 21qbr. he was 50%.
- we did have TFL.. Rb Martin had 4 attempts for -2.
- It was not Sweat that did all of the work on our defense. We had 7 PBU. 2 FF. Sweat had 3 tackles only.

- Just as Auburn missed some plays, we did too. The point is Auburn made no improvements to that OL. Lost a starting QB and seems they will rely on a true freshman.

- Our defense will not miss mush of a step this year.

Auburn does not concern me.....

[CadaverDawg]

After seeing the same slow moving, inaccurate QB having, WR dropping, offense we had last year in yesterday's scrimmage....how anyone could say "auburn doesn't concern me" is beyond me. Everyone should concern us based on what I saw yesterday

[bulldawg28]

After seeing the same slow moving, inaccurate QB having, WR dropping, offense we had last year in yesterday's scrimmage....how anyone could say "auburn doesn't concern me" is beyond me. Everyone should concern us based on what I saw yesterday

Auburn is going to be really good next year if they can put it together offensively.

[timotheus]

So is MSU......

[bulldawg28]

So is MSU......

Works for me

[Goldendawg]

Don't wear maroon colored glasses to Spring FB Games at State. Your eyes will too often hurt when the real season starts!****

[RocketDawg]

Yes, Whop caught every ball that touched his hands during The game. Guidry dropped every pass that touched his hands. That changes the depth chart. Guidry is starting off pure potential he has the worst hands on the team during games.

Maybe if Whop gets the start it'll encourage Guidry to start catching the ball. As I recall, he dropped one in the breadbasket a few months ago to lose the bowl game.

[bulldawg28]

Maybe if Whop gets the start it'll encourage Guidry to start catching the ball. As I recall, he dropped one in the breadbasket a few months ago to lose the bowl game.

At this point I'm ok with Whop taking over and not looking back. Guidry can give him a breather when Whop is tired. He's lost confidence which you can't do at WR. There is nothing a coach can do to fix that. He needs to sit and play a backup role. He can't handle being the starter. Whop is bigger, stronger, and not afraid of contact.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Wow. Shrader is one hell of an athlete. Better feet and quicker than Fitz.

Looks exactly like Matt Jones out there

Shrader missed 2 meetings. If he sees the field this year it means we are way ahead or way down with injuries

[BuckyIsAB****]

Defense will be similar to the best defense in the country? Come on mane

They will be top 15-20 unit again

[msstate7]

They will be top 15-20 unit again

And that would be great, no complaints about that for sure. That's not similar though... that's like saying #17 penn st and #1 Clemson has similar years last season.

[BuckyIsAB****]

And Shrader is 6'5" & ran a 4.4

Shotgun you are off with this. He isnt ready. His throwing motion has a long way to go its long. He isnt ready and probably needs a RS IMO. Talented kid sure but mentally (On the field) he's just got some growing up to do and thats fine he is 18 years old. He came from playing basically at East Rankin to the SEC

[BuckyIsAB****]

Where is the reach? Garrett is 6'5" and runs a 4.4 along with quick feet.

What exactly is a reach here from a talent stand point?

Idk where you got those numbers from but those are false. He is a big good looking kid but so was Nick Fitzgerald and most of you hated on him every time you got a chance

[BuckyIsAB****]

I think we will beat TN and KY. Win the out of conference and Ark and OM and its a good season

We could do all of that and not be very good. If this team goes 6-6 with this OL and this defense it will be a good reason to move on from Moorhead. I like Joe and I like what he is trying to do but football is about who can run the ball and who can stop it. Who can block and who can tackle. Execution. Its not about scheme and overthinking everything. I see not enough execution and too much overthinking from us on offense. Like I've said before this is 1 day in the spring and this wasnt a game it was basically a glorified practice but this is a 7-8 win team at the minimum

[BuckyIsAB****]

We have some talent, but it's not Day 1 talent like Simmons, Chris Jones, Josh Boyd, Fletcher Cox. All of those guys were really good as freshman. Our guys are going to be good, but I don't know if they are going to be good this season. A transfer is a must but who is that guy and can we get him? Really need a WR too. Guidry is the only guy who can separate and he has other weaknesses.

Deddrick Thomas is the best WR on the roster and he is better than a year ago and so is Whop. Im not high on Guidry at all. He plays and acts like a ''me'' guy to me. Williams has great hands and is scrappy but he will struggle vs man coverage

[BuckyIsAB****]

No he's not. Nix will not be the starter for Auburn this year and potentially next year. Joey Gatewood is the starter and is scary good and athletic. Nix is a Stidham clone.

Correct. I was surprised he went to Auburn. Not a good fit. He can sling the ball and if they do change their offense he will be damn good. He was extremely impressive throwing the ball at the MS/AL game and practices but he aint a runner in any sense

[BuckyIsAB****]

OM, ARK, and UK suck ass. We will win all of our OOC and win those three plus the TN game and finish at least 8-4. It?s not that hard. We have more talent then those 3 teams you named. Only games which are sure losses imo are Alabama, LSU, and A&M. I really don?t understand this negative taint you guys seem to have with Moorhead and this team.

LSU at home is far from a sure loss

[BuckyIsAB****]

You show auburn returning pretty much their whole oline and say that's a good thing for us? What? Simmons and sweat ain't lining up on them this year. Last year, we had 3 sacks (all by sweat) and no TFL. Auburn missed a wide open td in that game, fumbled at the goal line, and missed a fg. Everything went right for us

If Jimbo coached us though it would be the biggest win in the history of MSU football. I guess everything went right for us when we whipped his ass just like we did Auburns a year ago.

Im as mad as you are that we went 8-5 with a team that had a shot at 11 wins but thats not a reason to discredit what we did accomplish.

[msstate7]

If Jimbo coached us though it would be the biggest win in the history of MSU football. I guess everything went right for us when we whipped his ass just like we did Auburns a year ago.

Im as mad as you are that we went 8-5 with a team that had a shot at 11 wins but thats not a reason to discredit what we did accomplish.

Auburn and aTm were great wins last year. I just don't buy into you guys opinion that bc we beat them last year we'll beat them this year on the road

[BuckyIsAB****]

Auburn and aTm were great wins last year. I just don't buy into you guys opinion that bc we beat them last year we'll beat them this year on the road

Im not saying we win either game but neither of them are sure losses. Other teams have issues too not just us. I think we forget that sometimes

[Homedawg]

Auburn and aTm were great wins last year. I just don't buy into you guys opinion that bc we beat them last year we'll beat them this year on the road

We won't beat either of those on the road. Tenn is a toss up.

[Coach34]

We won't beat either of those on the road. Tenn is a toss up.

We have 4 sure losses- Bama, LSU, Auburn, and A&M.

Toss-ups are UPig, Kentucky, Kansas State, Tenn. Our D will help alot here but highly unlikely we sweep this bunch

We are a 6-6 team that may grab that 7th win or could mess around and end up 5-7.

[TrapGame]

I'm not getting worked up over a spring game. I've done that too much over the years.

[Walkerhill]

We have 4 sure losses- Bama, LSU, Auburn, and A&M.

Toss-ups are UPig, Kentucky, Kansas State, Tenn. Our D will help alot here but highly unlikely we sweep this bunch

We are a 6-6 team that may grab that 7th win or could mess around and end up 5-7.

I think we take a major step back this year unless the passing game comes around, which is not looking good. Even so, this take is overly pessimistic, no?

K-State at home as a toss-up? That is a should win. Kentucky at home rebuilding from their peak year is also a should win. U-Pig away is too hard to say right now - they could get some things together in year 2 but that still feels like we should be favored.

UT is a toss up away - agree with you there. They should probably be slightly favored until we get sure signs their head coach has continued his determined efforts to burn that program all the way to the ground.

And the idea LSU at home is completely off the table is far fetched also. That game is an unlikely W, but not a certain loss.

I think we win 7 pretty easily - kState, 3 other non-conference, Kentucky, ole miss, and Take one road game from Ark or Ut. Wins beyond that look hard to predict

[Walkerhill]

Honest question for insiders - what are the clues that Mayden is way behind Key?

That is posted as conventional wisdom, but aside from the pick Mayden looked the more assured passer and his spring stats see, to back that up over a longer course. It has not been a high bar, but how has he not at least put himself in a competition over the summer?

[BuckyIsAB****]

Lets just not even play the games and call it a season right now. 6-6 fire moorhead

[Todd4State]

Honest question for insiders - what are the clues that Mayden is way behind Key?

That is posted as conventional wisdom, but aside from the pick Mayden looked the more assured passer and his spring stats see, to back that up over a longer course. It has not been a high bar, but how has he not at least put himself in a competition over the summer?

Not an insider but the fact that he never throws it deep is probably a big part of it.

[msu15]

could mess around and end up 5-7.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Lord McBuckethead]

Shotgun you are off with this. He isnt ready. His throwing motion has a long way to go its long. He isnt ready and probably needs a RS IMO. Talented kid sure but mentally (On the field) he's just got some growing up to do and thats fine he is 18 years old. He came from playing basically at East Rankin to the SEC

Screw throwing motion, I want a kid that goes out there and makes plays like a "Johnny Football" type of guy.
I remember watching JF play and that dude just Wowed me every single game. It was like the defense could not get a clean shot, and he was always making plays.
If KT would develop an attacking demeanor, then awesome. He just looks like a kid that is too slow right now. He could be a baller, but is playing like a freshman in both ability and swag.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Time to stop talking about 99 like it has anything to do with 19. it was 20 years ago and some of those years included Croom.

[RocketDawg]

I had breakfast with some of my golf buddies this morning, all of whom are Alabama fans (sidewalk for the most part), and one of them actually went down to Tuscaloosa for the spring game. He said attendance was about 60,000. I flipped over to their game at some point during ours, and their stadium was at most 20% full, which would make it about 20,000. I'm not sure where they get their numbers. They're worse than we are at fudging attendance figures.

At least we had a couple of reasonable excuses ... severe weather moving in and a well-attended baseball game at the same time. They had the weather excuse but it was several hours later than the bad weather in Starkville, so wasn't as much of an impact.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Screw throwing motion, I want a kid that goes out there and makes plays like a "Johnny Football" type of guy.
I remember watching JF play and that dude just Wowed me every single game. It was like the defense could not get a clean shot, and he was always making plays.
If KT would develop an attacking demeanor, then awesome. He just looks like a kid that is too slow right now. He could be a baller, but is playing like a freshman in both ability and swag.

Shrader is not Manziel.