Montez Sweat [Archive]

RiverCityDawg

03-03-2019, 12:13 PM

From an Xs & Os standpoint, what do you do with a Sweat type talent?

Do you put him at DE or do you put him at OLB and let him be a Mack/Von Miller type?

Just depends on your scheme. DE in 4 man front or OLB in 3 man front. I would not put him at end in the 3 man front (like Fletcher Cox). He did it for us in 2017, but it wouldn't be his best spot in the NFL.

Cooterpoot

03-03-2019, 12:24 PM

Think about it, faster than OBJ, Antonio Brown, Zeke, and every DL ever at the combine.

CadaverDawg

03-03-2019, 12:25 PM

Damn! That's incredible

Dawg61

03-03-2019, 12:37 PM

That means we had a 6'6" 260 lbs 4.4 red zone target on the roster that we not once attempted to use on offense.

And not once was this idea suggested by anyone so let's not act like the coaches are suddenly stupid for not trying it now that Sweat shocked the world with this time. Literally nobody on the planet saw this time coming.

Fred Garvin

03-03-2019, 12:39 PM

Just ran a 4.42

That means we had a 6'6" 260 lbs 4.4 red zone target on the roster that we not once attempted to use on offense.

Wow

Oh good grief

dantheman4248

03-03-2019, 12:45 PM

And not once was this idea suggested by anyone so let's not act like the coaches are suddenly stupid for not trying it now that Sweat shocked the world with this time. Literally nobody on the planet saw this time coming.

One our own cornerbacks (Smitherman) tweeted right before to watch for a 4.4 from Sweat.

CadaverDawg

03-03-2019, 12:51 PM

That means we had a 6'6" 260 lbs 4.4 red zone target on the roster that we not once attempted to use on offense.

LOL, c'mon mane

Dawg61

03-03-2019, 12:52 PM

One our own cornerbacks (Smitherman) tweeted right before to watch for a 4.4 from Sweat.

Ok nobody on the planet said they saw it was coming before today. Props to Smitherman for calling it though.

TUSK

03-03-2019, 03:21 PM

Ok nobody on the planet said they saw it was coming before today. Props to Smitherman for calling it though.

How did no MSU coach, staff member, fellow player, or fan/supporter not know (this cat could run fast)?

ShotgunDawg

03-03-2019, 03:32 PM

And not once was this idea suggested by anyone so let's not act like the coaches are suddenly stupid for not trying it now that Sweat shocked the world with this time. Literally nobody on the planet saw this time coming.

So our strength and conditioning and coaches didn't know how fast he was?

sack07

03-03-2019, 03:54 PM

So our strength and conditioning and coaches didn't know how fast he was?

How does a fast 40 translate to red zone target?

dawgs

03-03-2019, 04:09 PM

Maybe he has stone hands?

basedog

03-03-2019, 04:19 PM

How does a fast 40 translate to red zone target?

Exactly

Hambone

03-03-2019, 04:33 PM

If he had multiple interceptions or some stat that could back him having soft hands then maybe, however he was just a BAD MAN on defense

Dawg61

03-03-2019, 04:41 PM

So our strength and conditioning and coaches didn't know how fast he was?

You just looking to bitch

RezDog7

03-03-2019, 04:42 PM

Just ran a 4.42

That means we had a 6'6" 260 lbs 4.4 red zone target on the roster that we not once attempted to use on offense.

Wow

It is better to thought of as stupid, rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

ShotgunDawg

03-03-2019, 04:53 PM

You just looking to bitch

We went 8-5 with this roster.

Moorhead may be great long term, but bitching about 8-5 with this roster is absolutely ok.

ShotgunDawg

03-03-2019, 04:54 PM

It is better to thought of as stupid, rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

So, you don't think a 6'6" 260 lb guy that's runs a 4.4 could've been used in more versatile ways?

What's dumb about that?

sack07

03-03-2019, 05:02 PM

So, you don't think a 6'6" 260 lb guy that's runs a 4.4 could've been used in more versatile ways?

What's dumb about that?

I agree with you. We never really utilized him. Imagine if we had him coming off the edge. He might have had 27 sacks over the past two years...

Also, he played the same position under Mullen. I understand your frustration with 8-5 and the talent. But this is such a bad take.

Walkerhill

03-03-2019, 05:03 PM

So, you don't think a 6'6" 260 lb guy that's runs a 4.4 could've been used in more versatile ways?

What's dumb about that?

How does speed help you in the red zone where space is compressed?

I would think good route running, body control, and hands would be the keys there.

So, little or no relevant info from a 40 time to crossover red zone potential.

Personally, I am glad our staff did not waste time on low value gimmicks like that. One thing they actually did right on O.

I am absolutely sure our staff knew how fast he was though. Obviously. Not one person from inside the program will be surprised he is in the sub 4.5 range. 4.41 is insane though. That is an elite number - espn cited Clowney as a comp at 4.53 I think. (Edit - confirmed Clowney at 4.53 in 2014. 4.41 for Sweat is fastest DL since 2006!)

PS - Good for Montez. He should rise in mock drafts. I could see top 10-15. Hope he has a long career and makes lots of money.

DancingRabbit

03-03-2019, 05:10 PM

So, you don't think a 6'6" 260 lb guy that's runs a 4.4 could've been used in more versatile ways?

What's dumb about that?

DE is one of the top 4 most valuable positions along with QB, WR and OT.

If you have a known quantity, a top producer at DE, why would you fuk with that?

Bothrops

03-03-2019, 05:16 PM

Sweat and Simmons were both 5* talents. We are taking a big step back upfront this year. We ain't dominating anybody in the league on the d-line until 2020.

ScoobaDawg

03-03-2019, 05:18 PM

Just ran a 4.42

That means we had a 6'6" 260 lbs 4.4 red zone target on the roster that we not once attempted to use on offense.

Wow

Not really. fastest time recorded for him previously was 4.67 and highest was 4.87

http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1023105&draftyear=2019&genpos=DE

bulldawg28

03-03-2019, 05:21 PM

So, you don't think a 6'6" 260 lb guy that's runs a 4.4 could've been used in more versatile ways?

What's dumb about that?

So what position should he have played? RB? WR? Qb?

bulldawg28

03-03-2019, 05:24 PM

How did no MSU coach, staff member, fellow player, or fan/supporter not know (this cat could run fast)?

Agreed. All they had to do was pay attention each Saturday. It was clear he was freakishly fast at DL.

I seen it dawg

03-03-2019, 06:21 PM

Just ran a 4.42

That means we had a 6'6" 260 lbs 4.4 red zone target on the roster that we not once attempted to use on offense.

Wow

Lol this isn't high school football. Why would we even think about doing that. He's a first round draft pick top 10 most likely rush end. We just gonna line him up and throw fades to him or let him run 9s?

dantheman4248

03-03-2019, 06:27 PM

We went 8-5 with this roster.

Moorhead may be great long term, but bitching about 8-5 with this roster is absolutely ok.

Wrong time to botch about it. Seasons been done for two months. Go watch a different sport rn if you want to bitch about football in March.

I seen it dawg

03-03-2019, 06:30 PM

True that. And don't steal Sweats thunder.

Ari Gold

03-03-2019, 06:33 PM

I think some of you just ****ing type shit so others will engage you on here..
At least that’s what I hope some of you are doing..

BigEasyDawg

03-03-2019, 06:33 PM

Maybe....just maybe...our coaches saw how fast he was and said "you know, I bet he is fast enough to beat a tackle off the ball and get to the QB."

And guess what....THATS WHAT FREAKING HAPPENED. 22.5 sacks in two years. I think we used him correctly.

BeardoMSU

03-03-2019, 06:37 PM

He's fast enough, he could've just thrown the ball to himself down field. Total waste!***

99jc

03-03-2019, 07:07 PM

We went 8-5 with this roster.

Moorhead may be great long term, but bitching about 8-5 with this roster is absolutely ok.

I can't believe I agree with shotgun here. I think Hardhead was a bad hire and next season most of you will realize the same.

I seen it dawg

03-03-2019, 09:18 PM

That's ****ing fine but the damn season is long since over. Christ it's glue already.

ShotgunDawg

03-03-2019, 09:26 PM

I think some of you just ****ing type shit so others will engage you on here..
At least that?s what I hope some of you are doing..

Just a discussion.

Some of you bitch more about other bitching than the others actually bitch

I seen it dawg

03-03-2019, 09:55 PM

Your "wow" at the end does nothing but show it's inciteful. But as far as discussion it is beyond ludicrous so there's not really a discussion.

RezDog7

03-03-2019, 10:03 PM

I mean, Nkimdiche was a successful running back, just ask Chris jones.

Dawg61

03-03-2019, 10:03 PM

I can't believe I agree with shotgun here. I think Hardhead was a bad hire and next season most of you will realize the same.

Yea we know you don't like Moorhead but him not putting a senior defensive lineman that's never played offense into his offense that all the offensive players already couldn't understand in his very first season coaching here is absolutely moronic thinking. Quit looking for anything to throw mud at Moorhead over.

Dawg61

03-03-2019, 10:06 PM

Just a discussion.

Some of you bitch more about other bitching than the others actually bitch

It really isn't a discussion though. Our entire offense made up of players that have been playing offense their entire football lives struggled to understand Moorhead's offense. Putting a defensive lineman whose never played offense into the mix of the already shit show confusion on that side of the ball is really nuclear stupid.

BeardoMSU

03-03-2019, 10:20 PM

Why didn't Dak also play TE for us? I mean, LSU was recruiting him as a TE, after all, and they know how to identify talent.....***

Tbonewannabe

03-03-2019, 10:43 PM

Why didn't Dak also play TE for us? I mean, LSU was recruiting him as a TE, after all, and they know how to identify talent.....***

He was the QB so naturally he wouldn't play TE. However I guess according to guys on here, he should have been at safety since we had issues with pass defense. I guess Mullen was a moron.

BeardoMSU

03-03-2019, 10:51 PM

He was the QB so naturally he wouldn't play TE. However I guess according to guys on here, he should have been at safety since we had issues with pass defense. I guess Mullen was a moron.

And to think....Dak could've done so much more than just place holding on FGs.**

DancingRabbit

03-03-2019, 10:57 PM

And to think....Dak could've done so much more than just place holding on FGs.**

Chris Jones wanted to try QB, but nooooooooo, Mullen wouldn't let him. Bastid.

yjnkdawg

03-03-2019, 11:14 PM

I think some of you just ****ing type shit so others will engage you on here..
At least that?s what I hope some of you are doing..

You've got that right, Ari. It's called trolling for argumentative responses.

yjnkdawg

03-03-2019, 11:19 PM

Just ran a 4.42

That means we had a 6'6" 260 lbs 4.4 red zone target on the roster that we not once attempted to use on offense.

Wow

Let's just play out your little fantasy. This is inferring that Montez is a great route runner, and pass catcher, with him playing in the red zone on offense, but some opposing defensive players saw fit to take some cheap shots at him, and he was out for the rest of the season, due to an injury. Now how stupid do you look. That's just like Freeze playing RN on offense some. It was stupid.

Coldsleeve Jr.

03-03-2019, 11:20 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/gJQqykm4/DB91-EE6-B-8132-4-B99-A600-8408-A86-F8-E84.png

LC Dawg

03-03-2019, 11:40 PM

Just wait until Simmons's pro day and everyone realizes he should have averaged 25 carries a game.***

DancingRabbit

03-03-2019, 11:45 PM

Just wait until Simmons's pro day and everyone realizes he should have averaged 25 carries a game.***

He could have gone both ways. Left Tackle and DT. Never would have had a sack from that side.

Todd4State

03-03-2019, 11:51 PM

From an Xs & Os standpoint, what do you do with a Sweat type talent?

Do you put him at DE or do you put him at OLB and let him be a Mack/Von Miller type?

He would probably be a DE in a 4-3 and an OLB in a 3-4 so I guess it just depends on what kind of scheme the team that drafts runs. He played in both at MSU.

Why didn't Dak also play TE for us? I mean, LSU was recruiting him as a TE, after all, and they know how to identify talent.....***

That would have been hilarious to do that to Ole Miss.

juice

03-04-2019, 09:49 AM

Chris Jones wanted to try QB, but nooooooooo, Mullen wouldn't let him. Bastid.

You won this thread. thanks for the laugh this morning

Saltydog

03-04-2019, 11:58 AM

BuckyIsAB****

03-04-2019, 05:10 PM

Im not hating on Sweat that is a great time but just bc he ran fast doesnt mean he could cover WR's. Or run routes. That takes a lot more than speed.

And every rep we use him at practice in the redzone on offense is one more you take away from him at DE under a first year DC. Its not as simple as you think

dantheman4248

03-04-2019, 05:20 PM

Honestly this thread is an exhibit of how 23000 posts doesn’t give you a sliver of knowledge about sports. If shotgun read half that many posts by knowledgeable people he’d know that the 40 is virtually meaningless when determining which position a player should play and how to utilize them.

99jc

03-04-2019, 07:39 PM

Yea we know you don't like Moorhead but him not putting a senior defensive lineman that's never played offense into his offense that all the offensive players already couldn't understand in his very first season coaching here is absolutely moronic thinking. Quit looking for anything to throw mud at Moorhead over.

I don't dislike Moorhead I really don't just think he sucks as a head coach. I really want to be wrong on this though and next season will tell the tale.

Dawg61

03-04-2019, 10:05 PM

I don't dislike Moorhead I really don't just think he sucks as a head coach. I really want to be wrong on this though and next season will tell the tale.

Alright but maybe we as a fanbase should remember Mullen in year 1 more when placing expectations on Moorhead his first year.

bulldawg28

03-05-2019, 04:51 PM

Alright but maybe we as a fanbase should remember Mullen in year 1 more when placing expectations on Moorhead his first year.

Not the same bro. Mullen had Tyson Lee as his inherited starter. His only playmaker was Dixon. Moorehead had a full cupboard.