Joe Theismann had a good idea for no calls in games...

[Jack Lambert]

He said keep the rule the same as it is now for coaches to challenge but give each coach one additional challenge that could be used for anything. No calls, bad calls, anything they want to challenge.

[justwin]

It needs to be 5 timeouts per half. Any play can be reviewed regardless of whether a flag is thrown. Bias Refs then can’t hide behind not having thrown a flag....

3-5 plays a game determines the winner & will be the first great step to closing the bias advantage of the blue bloods namely Bama.

And before you even start on length of games counter, I can’t name one person that doesn’t want 5 more minutes of football.

[Liverpooldawg]

The real solution is for every ref in that game to be fired, permanently. That is the only message that will work.

[ShotgunDawg]

The real solution is for every ref in that game to be fired, permanently. That is the only message that will work.

But they didn't miss the call on purpose. Firing experienced refs won't do anything but create a toxic work environment and less experienced officiating crews.

[ShotgunDawg]

He said keep the rule the same as it is now for coaches to challenge but give each coach one additional challenge that could be used for anything. No calls, bad calls, anything they want to challenge.


I love this idea. If your right on your first "miscellaneous challenge" you get another. That way coaches aren't fearful of using it early in the game for obvious no calls.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Or the damn NFL make sure the call in the NFC championship is correctly made. Easy.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

But they didn't miss the call on purpose. Firing experienced refs won't do anything but create a toxic work environment and less experienced officiating crews.

If firing people for being incompetent pisses of their fellow remaining refs, then the whole league of refs should be fired. No profession I've ever worked in tolerates this type of incompetence. And I fired a guy last week. The work environment didn't become toxic afterward. Instead, his coworkers said to me "glad he's gone because he wasn't good at his job." It actually improved the environment.

Any referee who has pride in his job realizes that this is a smear on their profession and would want these guys gone. I've never been upset when an incompetent coworker is fired. Never. I've always been glad to see them go.

[Leroy Jenkins]

The real solution is for every ref in that game to be fired, permanently. That is the only message that will work.



Hopefully you don't get fired for something one of your coworkers screwed up.

[ShotgunDawg]

If firing people for being incompetent pisses of their fellow remaining refs, then the whole league of refs should be fired. No profession I've ever worked in tolerates this type of incompetence. And I fired a guy last week. The work environment didn't become toxic afterward. Instead, his coworkers said to me "glad he's gone because he wasn't good at his job." It actually improved the environment.

Any referee who has pride in his job realizes that this is a smear on their profession and would want these guys gone. I've never been upset when an incompetent coworker is fired. Never. I've always been glad to see them go.

Sounds like the guy you fired had repeated acts of incompetence. Do these refs have repeated acts or was this just a massive 17 up?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

But they didn't miss the call on purpose. Firing experienced refs won't do anything but create a toxic work environment and less experienced officiating crews.

How do you know they didn’t miss call on purpose?

[Drugdog]

I find it hilarious that New Orleans got screwed. Love the whining and bitching...For a team that yells Who Dat, and claims Katrina hit New Orleans not Mississippi, i find it poetic justice. Bounty gate rears its ugly head for redemption. Yep, Saints fans your the only one that has ever gotten a bad call. Yep. Just you..PS The Rams play tomorrow....tune in.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Sounds like the guy you fired had repeated acts of incompetence. Do these refs have repeated acts or was this just a massive 17 up?

That's a fair and legit question. In the real world, small mistakes are considered human error. They don't get you fired unless you make a bunch of them. However huge mistakes get you fired immediately. They are considered negligence, or something that embarrasses the company. This call was huge, and it was gross negligence. That performance gets you fired from many jobs. And also sued for negligence in the world of medicine, engineering, etc.

You have to hold people accountable. That's just life. These guys make $189,000 a year. Why should they, or any professional, be exempt from accountability?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

One thing the NFL does that adds to the problem is that for playoffs they select all star crews, so you have a bunch of refs who haven’t worked a game together calling the most important and scrutinized games of the season.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Hopefully you don't get fired for something one of your coworkers screwed up.

The crew chief is in charge. He should be fired, along with the refs responsible. Actually if they had integrity, they would resign. There is zero accountability in the refereeing profession. None.

[Daddy Rabbit Dawg]

I find it hilarious that New Orleans got screwed. Love the whining and bitching...For a team that yells Who Dat, and claims Katrina hit New Orleans not Mississippi, i find it poetic justice. Bounty gate rears its ugly head for redemption. Yep, Saints fans your the only one that has ever gotten a bad call. Yep. Just you..PS The Rams play tomorrow....tune in.

I'm with this guy!

[Leroy Jenkins]

The crew chief is in charge. He should be fired, along with the refs responsible. Actually if they had integrity, they would resign. There is zero accountability in the refereeing profession. None.


Sweet. The next time one of your guys screws up I will be expecting your resignation.




Also...... Go Rams.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Sweet. The next time one of your guys screws up I will be expecting your resignation.




Also...... Go Rams.

If they commit gross negligence while under my command, then you will get it.

[BorneDawg]

I find it hilarious that New Orleans got screwed. Love the whining and bitching...For a team that yells Who Dat, and claims Katrina hit New Orleans not Mississippi, i find it poetic justice. Bounty gate rears its ugly head for redemption. Yep, Saints fans your the only one that has ever gotten a bad call. Yep. Just you..PS The Rams play tomorrow....tune in.

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[RougeDawg]

Again. Ill reiterate the same point for the 5th year in a row. We can detect gnat ass hairs on mars and Jupiter. We are sending spacecraft billions of miles further into space. We are landing craft on comets and other space objects. We have technology that tells our government where we are at all times of the day if you own a cell phone. The location of our being. Room of the house etc. how can we not get every single call in a sports game correct? Balls and strikes. Slaps on the wrist. Flops. Spot of the ball in football. If the ball crosses the goal line or out of bounds. Were there two feet? It?s endless but technology would solve all of it and get the calls correct in speedy fashion.

As I state every time, any rational person understands this. At the same time this same rational person understands money talks and larger more popular teams TALK THE MOST. Taking the human element out of it takes the ability of said league to aid a certain outcome. As long as money oriented people run these leagues and their salaries and bonus metrics are made up of viewers and monetary goals, this will Continue to occur.

Theisman and other people sound a lot like the larger issues in this country. If something is roually f*cked up, let?s just add more of it and see if it works out better. It?s a completely asinine, naive and ignorant way to go through life.

[Leroy Jenkins]

If they commit gross negligence while under my command, then you will get it.

And then your boss? And then his boss? What happens to them? Do they get canned because you resigned because your guys screwed up? How far does the thread unravel?


ETA
I'm just curious how many levels of separation I have to be so I'm safe from anyone messing up anything.... ever.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

And then your boss? And then his boss? What happens to them? Do they get canned because you resigned because your guys screwed up? How far does the thread unravel?


ETA
I'm just curious how many levels of separation I have to be so I'm safe from anyone messing up anything.... ever.

Messing up is different than negligence or incompetence. We are all human. We all make mistakes. These refs didn't "miss a call". They stood there, saw the obvious and clear call, then committed gross negligence that should not be tolerated. If someone sees 2+2 and just doesn't realize it equals 4, then they shouldn't be a math teacher making $189,000 a year.

I'm sure these refs are nice people, but some things can't be tolerated. There is a line and they crossed it.

[coachnorm]

But they didn't miss the call on purpose. Firing experienced refs won't do anything but create a toxic work environment and less experienced officiating crews.

How do you know that ref did not miss that call on purpose? Millions of us have seen the video and still pictures and the obvious stand for itself. Remember, Las Vegas Casinos have spent many dollars on the new Raiders stadium. Understand, corrupt referees impact games starting from Pop-Warner to the upper levels.

[Todd4State]

I think the NFL and other sports for that matter just need to do away with human officials and go solely to technology. Until the NFL does- this kind of crap is going to happen from time to time. And it's ridiculous because the technology is there to make sure that stuff like what happened in the Saints game doesn't happen. Video detects a foul and then the official is there basically to assess it and announce the penalty to the crowd. And the officials main function otherwise is to make sure a fight doesn't break out between the players during the game.

[Topbulldawg]

Messing up is different than negligence or incompetence. We are all human. We all make mistakes. These refs didn't "miss a call". They stood there, saw the obvious and clear call, then committed gross negligence that should not be tolerated. If someone sees 2+2 and just doesn't realize it equals 4, then they shouldn't be a math teacher making $189,000 a year.

I'm sure these refs are nice people, but some things can't be tolerated. There is a line and they crossed it.

What you are missing is if you fire anyone that makes a bad call like this, you are than left with referees who are worse than where you started with. Where do you get the next batch...college football? Do you think SEC referees are any better? NFL officials are better and its not close. To take this stance you have to have a better alternative, and sadly there isn't any. Don't forget about the replacement officials from a few years ago and that disaster

[somebodyshotmypaw]

What you are missing is if you fire anyone that makes a bad call like this, you are than left with referees who are worse than where you started with. Where do you get the next batch...college football? Do you think SEC referees are any better? NFL officials are better and its not close. To take this stance you have to have a better alternative, and sadly there isn't any. Don't forget about the replacement officials from a few years ago and that disaster

So you are telling me that there is nobody else in the country that could have made that call for $189,000? I just don't agree with that.

There is currently a shortage of nurses. So if a nurse kills somebody because of gross negligence, we just let that nurse keep on practicing? Or do we yank the nurse's license?

Let me tell you how economics work. If refs were fired for being incompetent, it would cause a shortage of refs, a rise in referee salaries, and then an influx of potential employees desiring those positions. Right now, many don't strive for those positions because the positions have a low turnover rate due to no accountability. So people know the jobs are almost impossible to get. Even though it pays almost $200,000 for a part-time gig.

And even though you make take a step back with your replacement, you have to hold people accountable to protect the integrity of the business. If my CFO embezzles money from the company I run, I have to fire her to protect the integrity of the business. I can't keep her because I say that "I can't find a replacement as good."

[Liverpooldawg]

Hopefully you don't get fired for something one of your coworkers screwed up.

It wasn't just one guy. A good crew helps a guy get it right when he misses a call that bad. THose guys all stood around and did nothing. To me that was the wrs part of it. Anybody can miss a call, but no way an entire crew should miss one that bad.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

It wasn't just one guy. A good crew helps a guy get it right when he misses a call that bad. THose guys all stood around and did nothing. To me that was the wrs part of it. Anybody can miss a call, but no way an entire crew should miss one that bad.

Exactly. Get your heads together, consult, and throw the flag. Rams will be unhappy about a delayed half, but the call would be correct.