Bama Game Thread

[msstate7]

How. In. The. Hell. Does. Norris. Drive. For. A. Layup!!!!!

[CadaverDawg]

Holman's man again

[HoopsDawg]

Holman can't even guard or block out Riley Norris.

[Pit Bull]

This is a very passive BAMA crowd too. Would have been a great opportunity to slip in and steal one from them. Well.....soon as I say that....we get Norrised!!

[CadaverDawg]

And again. Peters and Holman are lazy on D

[Red Sox Dawg]

No toughness. Holman just can't or won't play defense

[BuckyIsAB****]

Anddddd Holman is back in and we are standing and watching 3s and allowing rebounds and drives to Riley Norris.

[BeardoMSU]

Holman can't even guard or block out Riley Norris.

If Aric is a 1st round pick, does that make Norris a lottery?**

[Political Hack]

So difficult.

[Red Sox Dawg]

Howland, leaving Holman in is on you.

[ShotgunDawg]

The team just lacks discipline in the way they play.

Way too many missed opportunities due to a lack of structure and purpose in what they do.

[msstate7]

I'm gonna miss Q, but graduation can't get here soon enough for Holman

[parabrave]

No, peters is

No this is an entire team effort tonight.

[Bdawg]

They get a steal and our D just watches him go in for a layup from the top of the key!!! It's so hard to cheer for laziness

[CadaverDawg]

Norris has made Holman his bitch. Holman, Q, and Lamar are total liabilities on D. The freshmen are better defensively than the vets. MUCH better

[Saltydog]

Nt

[HoopsDawg]

I'm gonna miss Q, but graduation can't get here soon enough for Holman

Well, Howland doesn't have to play him.

[Political Hack]

1) We play man to man even though we can't stop the dribble drive. So we give up the paint defensively.

2) We play a stretch 4 with a 9' giant and put a defensive specialist as our only down low presence. So we give up the paint offensively.

That's on Ben.

[CadaverDawg]

They get a steal and our D just watches him go in for a layup from the top of the key!!! It's so hard to cheer for laziness

Yep. I can stomach a team being better and just beating you, but I can't stomach laziness costing your team a potential road win

[Bdawg]

54 points in the paint so far for Bama. Testament to our inside presence.

[CadaverDawg]

Q hasn't passed it this season I don't think. Damn ball hog

[msstate7]

Nice Q

[CadaverDawg]

54 points in the paint so far for Bama. Testament to our inside presence.

And our ability to defend a drive

[CadaverDawg]

Another bad 3 by ball hog Q

[CadaverDawg]

Late whistle

[msstate7]

I'd trade ado and Holman for donte hall or Carlos Silva

[Red Sox Dawg]

Norris has made Holman his bitch. Holman, Q, and Lamar are total liabilities on D. The freshmen are better defensively than the vets. MUCH better

Not just Norris, Hall has made 4 dunks on him

[HoopsDawg]

Holman back in. Why???????

[CovertDawg]

Holman is playing like he is ill....just no tenacity at all on defense. It is almost like he has given up trying to ever be able to hold his position on the block. Woodard and Perry aren't perfect but both those young guys play hard. To me, Ado has shown no improvement from last year and that is something I did not expect.

[KOdawg1]

Holman does not need to see the court. 0 effort on defense. Put Datcher in there.

[Political Hack]

They need to sit Perry down.

[msstate7]

Holman back in. Why???????

Leadership, baby

[HoopsDawg]

I'd trade ado and Holman for donte hall or Carlos Silva

No shit billy beane.

[Red Sox Dawg]

And Holman catches the ball after Bama has made another DUNK RIGHT ON HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 171717171717171717

[CJDAWG85]

Holman needs to be benched for a game for this pathetic effort. I’m sick of watching his BS.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Stand there and watch Holman

[CadaverDawg]

Drives right by Q and Holman watches him dunk it. Sums up our veterans on the defensive end this year

[Cooterpoot]

Has Been Howland getting schooled again.

[Bdawg]

Holman let's his man get the rebound over his back and it leads to a dunk!! Get that lazy MFer off the damn court Howland!!!!!! That's on you to keep playing that turd. He needs flushing, NOW!!!! Damn he's 6'11" and let's his man get over him and he had position!!!

[MarketingBully]

They need to sit Perry down.

Nah, who do you put in? Holman? Ado?

[CadaverDawg]

I'd play Feazell over Aric at this point...just so I don't have to see Aric's lazy ass anymore

[msstate7]

No shit billy beane.

Looking at stats, holman is the equal to either by himself. The stats don't tell the whole story though

[Red Sox Dawg]

How bad are our other scholarship post players if they can't take any minutes away from Ado or Holman?

[Dawgcap]

Wait for a press. Sad it’s this late though.

[HoopsDawg]

They need to sit Perry down.

What? That's your take on this game?

[KOdawg1]

14 pts for Perry

[KOdawg1]

16 pts for Perry

[Red Sox Dawg]

Free throws are a huge negative for both teams

[MarketingBully]

This is what I said before the game and what I will say before every game we have period. It’s the truth and it has played out seven times so far this season.

“I think it will be a close game but Holman has to defend. If he doesn’t defend and continues to play like he has the past six games we are in trouble. Mack and Norris will light us up if Holman doesn’t close out and run them off the 3 point line. That imo is the key. Does Holman show up defensively or not and if he doesn’t does Howland have the balls to get him out of there quickly. If Holman shows up or Howland takes his ass out if he doesn’t and sits him on the bench for extensive minutes, we will be fine. If Holman doesn’t show up and he plays 20+ minutes, we will lose. Holman actually showed up defensively down the stretch against Auburn and did just enough to not hurt us. Holman’s effort defensively is the key to us getting where we want to go.“

[Political Hack]

Whatever you do, don't sit Perry down.

[CadaverDawg]

Perry growing up

[KOdawg1]

We can't buy a three

[msstate7]

Perry has to start for Holman Saturday

[HoopsDawg]

That miss from peters was probably the game.

[Red Sox Dawg]

Perry going off! Can't buy a 3

[MarketingBully]

16 pts for Perry

Perry is a bad ass. Anyone wanting him to get less minutes just doesn’t know basketball.

[Political Hack]

What? That's your take on this game?

At that moment he looked shaken. Shot an air ball then threw the ball away trying to spark a fast break. Bad pass. Back to back trips down the stretch. Typical freshman stuff, but with the way he's scoring you play him until he pukes.

[Red Sox Dawg]

Whatever you do, don't sit Perry down.

LOL

[KOdawg1]

Perry and Woodard need to both start

[KOdawg1]

Got to have a defensive stop

[Bdawg]

Damn Q. Unreal.

[Dawgcap]

First time to press

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

My TV is muted. Did they just call a travel on Q???

[ShotgunDawg]

Bama gonna get EVERY.SINGLE.CALL down the stretch here?

[msstate7]

Ball game

[HoopsDawg]

Boy. Easy spot to take a charge

[Red Sox Dawg]

Yes and Holman fouls because he was beat to the goal again

[ShotgunDawg]

What an awful foul by Ado. Why?

[msstate7]

Why did we foul

[HoopsDawg]

Another bad play from 35.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Holman with the stupid foul hahahaha

[HoopsDawg]

What an awful foul by Ado. Why?

That was Holman

[ShotgunDawg]

Team just sucks in any pressure situation. Execution goes to complete shit every time

[HoopsDawg]

Slow release from Carter. Great scouting by Bama.

[Red Sox Dawg]

WOW

[HoopsDawg]

The Peters miss and the Q travel are looming large.

[MarketingBully]

That was a foul on the 3 point shot on Alabama. The refs dicked us on that.

[msstate7]

Missed 10 FTs. We deserve this loss

[ShotgunDawg]

12 of 22 at the FT line. That's the game.

Blame everything you want, but it's 100% due to terrible FT shooting

[Red Sox Dawg]

Bama to the line again

[BuckyIsAB****]

Imagine if we had made free throws game wouldnt be close. But we havent bc we are mentally weak and undisciplined

[Bdawg]

Can Peters make a damn layup?

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Team just sucks in any pressure situation. Execution goes to complete shit every time
It's the most consistent thing we do

[Red Sox Dawg]

Bullshit no call. Peters was fouled.

[HoopsDawg]

12 of 22 at the FT line. That's the game.

Blame everything you want, but it's 100% due to terrible FT shooting

Far from the whole story.

[RocketDawg]

They're making a go of it at the end but too little too late I'm afraid.

[parabrave]

12 of 22 at the FT line. That's the game.

Blame everything you want, but it's 100% due to terrible FT shooting

Lazy defense also.

[Cooterpoot]

I hope we can host some NIT games

[Red Sox Dawg]

17 Bama

[MarketingBully]

Imagine if we had made free throws game wouldnt be close. But we havent bc we are mentally weak and undisciplined

Imagine if we had zoned Bama. We’d of beaten them by 20.

[Cloak]

****

[msstate7]

If we had played zone 5-6 mins in every sec game, we're most likely 6-1. South Carolina and Bama are certainly wins

[ShotgunDawg]

Death, taxes, & us playing like absolute shit in any sport we play in Tuscaloosa

[CJDAWG85]

Bama gave us every damn opportunity to tie it at the end. Choke city

[RocketDawg]

Death, taxes, & us playing like absolute shit in any sport we play in Tuscaloosa

Except women's basketball.

[Dawgcap]

How anybody doesn’t see we are a team built to pressure is beyond me. We should play some zone every game but even our bigs are suited for the press. We waited to late this game and it’s a shame we don’t employ it every game. Play with the personnel you have.

[maroonmania]

Imagine if we had zoned Bama. We?d of beaten them by 20.

This team doesn't play enough defense to ever do anything big. When is the last time we held a decent team below 80 points?

[BuckyIsAB****]

I told yall about getting your hopes up about this team. We play hard when we want too and not all the time. That is allowed to happen. We have a culture problem folks

[MarketingBully]

I said it once and I’ll say it again:

“I think it will be a close game but Holman has to defend. If he doesn’t defend and continues to play like he has the past six games we are in trouble. Mack and Norris will light us up if Holman doesn’t close out and run them off the 3 point line. That imo is the key. Does Holman show up defensively or not and if he doesn’t does Howland have the balls to get him out of there quickly. If Holman shows up or Howland takes his ass out if he doesn’t and sits him on the bench for extensive minutes, we will be fine. If Holman doesn’t show up and he plays 20+ minutes, we will lose. Holman actually showed up defensively down the stretch against Auburn and did just enough to not hurt us. Holman’s effort defensively is the key to us getting where we want to go.”

[StarkVegasSteve]

How anybody doesn’t see we are a team built to pressure is beyond me. We should play some zone every game but even our bigs are suited for the press. We waited to late this game and it’s a shame we don’t employ it every game. Play with the personnel you have.

If we start pressing with 5 min. left we win that one.

[Bdawg]

Imagine if we had zoned Bama. We?d of beaten them by 20.

When you are getting crushed(and I mean crushed) on the inside and they are driving by you to the basket, you would think we might would try some zone juuuust for a little bit to see if a change would work.

[Dawgcap]

Imagine if we had zoned Bama. We’d of beaten them by 20.

Or pressed with Ado and Holman throughout the game

[msstate7]

Please start Woodard and perry Saturday

[StarkVegasSteve]

If we continue to start Holman and Ado then Howland does need to go. A blind nun can see that Perry and Woodard should be starting over the two clowns we currently have in there. Hell, even playing Holman is a crime at this point. He provides absolutely nothing. At least Ado tries, but he's not any good.

[MarketingBully]

How anybody doesn’t see we are a team built to pressure is beyond me. We should play some zone every game but even our bigs are suited for the press. We waited to late this game and it’s a shame we don’t employ it every game. Play with the personnel you have.

You are right that we are built to pressure. But I don’t think Howland has ever been a pressure guy even though that’s the team he built. It’s dumb as shit if you want to know the honest truth. He should have gotten a scoring big in the post that will do post type stuff and built a 4 out 1 in model on offense. But once again, 10 assists to 13 turnovers and 10 assists to 33 made baskets was also a key. We weren’t sharing the ball and we dug ourselves too big a hole to dig out of. With that said, we shouldn’t have lost to an Alabama team that played like shit. We should have switched defenses, kept them off balance and gone to the press some and created turnovers to get out in transition for easy baskets. But once again, we weren’t sharing the ball so I’m not sure it would have mattered anyway.

[MarketingBully]

If we continue to start Holman and Ado then Howland does need to go. A blind nun can see that Perry and Woodard should be starting over the two clowns we currently have in there. Hell, even playing Holman is a crime at this point. He provides absolutely nothing. At least Ado tries, but he's not any good.

I’ll save you the trouble. He’s going to start Holman and Ado.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Holman should sit until we run out of subs

[Cooterpoot]

I’ve saved some seats on the new coach bandwagon. Been adding people all season. Has Been Howland has nothing left in the tank.

[Red Sox Dawg]

If Datcher and Feazell can't earn playing time from Ado why are they on scholarship? Man we need someone who is tough and plays defense.

If Branden Vincent and Jarvis Vernardo were on this team how good would we be?

[MarketingBully]

Please start Woodard and perry Saturday

I’m thinking Hinson will have another career day if Holman starts. Woodard would shut him down. I’ll make a prediction. If Holman gets 25-30 minutes on Saturday and guards Hinson during that time, we lose. If Woodard plays 20+ minutes and guards Hinson, we win. Pretty simple. Remember, Woodard got 9 minutes against Ole Miss last time. If he gets even 13-15 we win that game easy. It’s weird when one player effects you that negatively that you can predict wins and losses based off of one player. It speaks to just how bad Holman is playing right now. He’s playing worse then Sidney ever did at State and that is saying something. It’s really really bad.

[HoopsDawg]

Holman should sit until we run out of subs

He played 30 freakin minutes tonight. Perry only got 20. Woodard got 15.

Lamar was 6-19, 0-6.

[Dawgcap]

You are right that we are built to pressure. But I don’t think Howland has ever been a pressure guy even though that’s the team he built. It’s dumb as shit if you want to know the honest truth. He should have gotten a scoring big in the post that will do post type stuff and built a 4 out 1 in model on offense. But once again, 10 assists to 13 turnovers and 10 assists to 33 made baskets was also a key. We weren’t sharing the ball and we dug ourselves too big a hole to dig out of. With that said, we shouldn’t have lost to an Alabama team that played like shit. We should have switched defenses, kept them off balance and gone to the press some and created turnovers to get out in transition for easy baskets. But once again, we weren’t sharing the ball so I’m not sure it would have mattered anyway.

Totally agree. Change your D up. It’s easier to play against a team that plays the same way. Not always a fan of Holman but he is a tall perimeter guy who can score. Press some when he’s on the floor. I loved him on the inbound pass, long arms same with Ado. Couple of turnovers and guys that play lazy in a half court d they get motivated. I realize you can’t play that way the whole game but to be honest you can look at our bodies and realize we can’t play an inside game. Now if you want to play an inside game you crank Perry and Woodard.
Look I understand the frustration on our players and coach but at this point I think Howland should answer for coaching every game the same way. I might be ok with it but we have options to play wide open or settle in a zone based on our bigs but yet it’s only man to man on d and the same few plays on O. Pretty good check when you only teach a few things

[tcdog70]

The Peters miss and the Q travel are looming large.

Peters and Q were fouled and he didn't drag his pivot foot.

[tcdog70]

12 of 22 at the FT line. That's the game.

Blame everything you want, but it's 100% due to terrible FT shooting

Right shoot our 70% average and we win. Or just make a couple of 3s

[msstate7]

Totally agree. Change your D up. It?s easier to play against a team that plays the same way. Not always a fan of Holman but he is a tall perimeter guy who can score. Press some when he?s on the floor. I loved him on the inbound pass, long arms same with Ado. Couple of turnovers and guys that play lazy in a half court d they get motivated. I realize you can?t play that way the whole game but to be honest you can look at our bodies and realize we can?t play an inside game. Now if you want to play an inside game you crank Perry and Woodard.
Look I understand the frustration on our players and coach but at this point I think Howland should answer for coaching every game the same way. I might be ok with it but we have options to play wide open or settle in a zone based on our bigs but yet it?s only man to man on d and the same few plays on O. Pretty good check when you only teach a few things

Only explanation I can come up with for sticking with same defense is howland thinks we can correct the issues. Hopefully it isn't as hopeless as it looks and howland's diligence to it pays off.

[Dawgcap]

Holman should sit until we run out of subs

No Holman should play in situations he’s built for. He’s not a low post guy. Put him in and press with him, then sit him if he stays soft down low. We don’t use the bench as another coach and I’m disappointed in that but make no mistake Holman has serious skills on both ends if utilized correctly.

[Dawgcap]

Only explanation I can come up with for sticking with sand defense is howland thinks we can correct the issues. Hopefully it isn't as hopeless as it looks and howland's diligence to it pays off.

I agree. Same thing with Moorhead in football but this was obvious tonight. They whipped us down low so play Woodard and Perry or press with Ado or Holman. Holman would be a threat in a press D. I get frustrated with coaching that doesn’t change until it’s to late. There are 14 teams in the SEC and you can’t play them all the same.

[Rayburn8]

On the free throw issue, Bama went 22-36, they missed more than we did.

Net free throws to misses wasn’t why we lost. Either team shoots okay from the line and this isn’t a game.

[MarketingBully]

On the free throw issue, Bama went 22-36, they missed more than we did.

Net free throws to misses wasn’t why we lost. Either team shoots okay from the line and this isn’t a game.

Well if you want to get that technical, how big were the point blank layup misses by Peters (he had three of them)? All of those layup misses were practically uncontested but were missed because Peters was anticipating contact instead of just going up and making the layups. Between Holman’s non D and Peters 3 layup misses, we were doomed to lose on the road.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

On the free throw issue, Bama went 22-36, they missed more than we did.

Net free throws to misses wasn’t why we lost. Either team shoots okay from the line and this isn’t a game.

Not only that, but this isn't about winning itself- it's about the quality of play, or lack thereof.

Take the worst football team in all of FCS. Say we beat them by 1 point. Literally everyone here would freak out because, even though we won, we obviously have massive problems and aren't as good as we thought.

Bama played like crap tonight. Their homecourt advantage was minimal. We're a far more talented team. We're far more experienced. It's year 4 and we were preseason top 20. I don't care if we can find a couple small things like free throw % or a missed foul her and there that could have won the game. I care that it was that close to begin with.

We should have won easily with any competence from Howland, and it's that incompetence that'll keep this team from being what it should be. Whether or not the ball bounced our way tonight doesn't change the fundamental flaw

[Lord McBuckethead]

I agree. Same thing with Moorhead in football but this was obvious tonight. They whipped us down low so play Woodard and Perry or press with Ado or Holman. Holman would be a threat in a press D. I get frustrated with coaching that doesn’t change until it’s to late. There are 14 teams in the SEC and you can’t play them all the same.

Yes you can, if you want to lose over half.

[Dawgcap]

Yes you can, if you want to lose over half.

So we will lose over half by changing our D up from time to time. Yet you say that as we sit 3-4 playing only man with no press or zone

[MarketingBully]

So we will lose over half by changing our D up from time to time. Yet you say that as we sit 3-4 playing only man with no press or zone

I think he was responding to your point and agreeing with you. Specifically saying yes you can if you want to lose over half to your statement below:

“There are 14 teams in the SEC and you can’t play them all the same.”

[Dawgcap]

My bad. Frustrating night but we will have a few more. Let’s hope it’s after finishing 10-8. It’s so crazy in this conference this year. We will probably be excited a bunch and bitch a good bit also. I just get frustrated that we put kids in situations they aren’t built for. We have 4 bigs that would benefit by being utilized in different ways but we continue to play one way. Thanks for the clarification.

[Pit Bull]

Norris has made Holman his bitch. Holman, Q, and Lamar are total liabilities on D. The freshmen are better defensively than the vets. MUCH better

If Riley Norris was on our team, I would start and play him more than Aric Holman.....and we would probably see more production in all facets at that position.

[Pit Bull]

Holman does not need to see the court. 0 effort on defense. Put Datcher in there.

Yep....at least Datcher claps and gets excited when we do good sitting on the bench. I say let him play more too.

[Maroonthirteen]

Did the final four team lose at Alabama?

*we are making a run to the final four any day now. I know because we made a final four run 22 years ago.**

[MarketingBully]

Did the final four team lose at Alabama?

*we are making a run to the final four any day now. I know because we made a final four run 22 years ago.**

We had Dontae in 96. If Perry continues to make strides, he could be that dominant by tourney time. He was the best player on the court last night. Bama couldn’t stop him. I imagine Perry should start starting. He’s a difference maker and at his size could play the 4 or 5. He could be that inside game we have been needing all along. Start Woodard at the 4 and Perry at the five and play small ball pressure the rest of the way.

[BuckyIsAB****]

No Holman should play in situations he’s built for. He’s not a low post guy. Put him in and press with him, then sit him if he stays soft down low. We don’t use the bench as another coach and I’m disappointed in that but make no mistake Holman has serious skills on both ends if utilized correctly.

Holman looks like he could give a shit right now