Odds on Transfer QBs

[ShotgunDawg]

Interesting. I find Shane Buechele interesting. Good passer that struggled with Herman's running stuff at Texas

https://twitter.com/tomfornelli/status/1083108725014122502?s=21

[StarkVegasSteve]

Why are we so high up on Wimbush and Buechele? Do they have some connection to us or Moorhead? Buechele would be the better option out of those two

[RiverCityDawg]

We have to have someone that can pass AND run. Wimbush and the Texas guy do not fit the bill.

[fishwater99]

https://www.betdsi.eu/sportsbook-betting/ncaaf-odds/ncaaf-props/

[Quaoarsking]

I would be pretty excited to get Buechele. He was very solid for a true freshman before Herman arrived and changed the offense.

ETA: It looks like he only played in 2 games in 2018, so he should be eligible for 2 more years.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

We have to have someone that can pass AND run. Wimbush and the Texas guy do not fit the bill.

I actually don't think we do. Under ******* system a QB run up the middle was a must, so yeah the QB needed to be big and physical. And yes Moorhead used Fitz the same way, but that's probably more a factor of "Fitz can't do anything else" than it is "The O is built around inside QB runs"

Looking at McSorely's highlights from the Moorhead seasons, QB runs happen in 2 situations: 1) QB improvises on a pass play, and 2) The numbers and scheme mean the QB run is open, without the heavy traffic and contact Fitz is used to seeing.

1) is nice to have and needed vs truly elite teams, but an O can reach be 95% of it's potential without a good scrambler.

2) requires a good pass game to stretch the D and make them forget about the QB run, and it also requires a QB that can read a D and audible to it. The actual QB runnin ability is what turns the 1st down run into a 40 yard run, but even Tyler Russel can move the chains on an open QB draw.

What we need is a passer 1st and foremost. Hill should get the ball more anyway, and Moorhead obviously can't scheme unless he had a deep threat. I'd take Buechele in a heartbeat

[Commercecomet24]

Buechele throws a beautiful deep ball. Lots of touch and pretty dang accurate. He's not a runner like Dak or Fitz, but he can run enough. Smart kid too. He finished second in the Elite 11 and was highly recruited. Dont' know if we're even that interested in him but his skill set fits this offense well.

[ShotgunDawg]

Buechele throws a beautiful deep ball. Lots of touch and pretty dang accurate. He's not a runner like Dak or Fitz, but he can run enough. Smart kid too. He finished second in the Elite 11 and was highly recruited. Dont' know if we're even that interested in him but his skill set fits this offense well.

Dad is the 3rd base coach for the Texas Rangers and an ex MLB player

[Commercecomet24]

Dad is the 3rd base coach for the Texas Rangers and an ex MLB player

Yeah he had a pretty good career too. 10 years in mlb is solid.

[Todd4State]

Dad is the 3rd base coach for the Texas Rangers and an ex MLB player


Yeah he had a pretty good career too. 10 years in mlb is solid.

And when our QB is the son of a MLB coach it just goes to show that we're really a baseball school.**

[Captain Falcon]

I don’t have much interest in Wimbush but Buechele is intriguing, especially since he will have two years and would likely upgrade our passing game. He doesn’t have a whole lot of stats as a runner, but he was classified as a dual threat QB in high school so that leads me to believe he’s not a statue.

Buechele definitely interests me.

[ShotgunDawg]

Beuchele with 2 years to play would be an incredible stop gap for Schrader.

I like Beuchele but I'm not positive he's better than KT. Very different

[msstate7]

Why is penn state the favorite for wimbush? If they're looking, we should go get tommy Stevens. He isn't a HR, but he knows joe's offense and bridges us to shrader

[KOdawg1]

I'm starting to like the idea of Buechele.

Here's some highlights. Look at his deep ball https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1MtmgCcqX8


Him being able to play 2 years would be huge because it would allow Shrader to redshirt a year and then learn another year before taking over as a RS Soph. All this IF Moorhead is sure KT and Mayden can't get it done.

[Liverpooldawg]

I actually don't think we do. Under ******* system a QB run up the middle was a must, so yeah the QB needed to be big and physical. And yes Moorhead used Fitz the same way, but that's probably more a factor of "Fitz can't do anything else" than it is "The O is built around inside QB runs"

Looking at McSorely's highlights from the Moorhead seasons, QB runs happen in 2 situations: 1) QB improvises on a pass play, and 2) The numbers and scheme mean the QB run is open, without the heavy traffic and contact Fitz is used to seeing.

1) is nice to have and needed vs truly elite teams, but an O can reach be 95% of it's potential without a good scrambler.

2) requires a good pass game to stretch the D and make them forget about the QB run, and it also requires a QB that can read a D and audible to it. The actual QB runnin ability is what turns the 1st down run into a 40 yard run, but even Tyler Russel can move the chains on an open QB draw.

What we need is a passer 1st and foremost. Hill should get the ball more anyway, and Moorhead obviously can't scheme unless he had a deep threat. I'd take Buechele in a heartbeat

Solid post, and if you watched Penn State, McSorely isn't exactly a beast or a deer with the ball. You nailed when he ran it under Moorhead.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Hard pass on the ND kid

[OSCAR]

Buechele throws a beautiful deep ball. Lots of touch and pretty dang accurate. He's not a runner like Dak or Fitz, but he can run enough. Smart kid too. He finished second in the Elite 11 and was highly recruited. Dont' know if we're even that interested in him but his skill set fits this offense well.

Sounds like it would fit our system well.

[RiverCityDawg]

I actually don't think we do. Under ******* system a QB run up the middle was a must, so yeah the QB needed to be big and physical. And yes Moorhead used Fitz the same way, but that's probably more a factor of "Fitz can't do anything else" than it is "The O is built around inside QB runs"

Looking at McSorely's highlights from the Moorhead seasons, QB runs happen in 2 situations: 1) QB improvises on a pass play, and 2) The numbers and scheme mean the QB run is open, without the heavy traffic and contact Fitz is used to seeing.

1) is nice to have and needed vs truly elite teams, but an O can reach be 95% of it's potential without a good scrambler.

2) requires a good pass game to stretch the D and make them forget about the QB run, and it also requires a QB that can read a D and audible to it. The actual QB runnin ability is what turns the 1st down run into a 40 yard run, but even Tyler Russel can move the chains on an open QB draw.

What we need is a passer 1st and foremost. Hill should get the ball more anyway, and Moorhead obviously can't scheme unless he had a deep threat. I'd take Buechele in a heartbeat

We'll have to agree to disagree. McSorely ran it 146 and 144 times the two years he was coached by Joe. It's an integral part of the offense. Ive watched every TD scoresd by Penn state in 2016 and 2017. If our QB can't beat you running the defenses will more easily be able to take away the RB run (insert joke here about Joe taking away the RB run). I'm not talking about power runs up the middle but they have to be a weapon on the keep read. Someone with just the running ability of Tyler Russell will not work. Sure, we could beat teams the level of Arkansas, KSU and ole miss without a runner, but I'm talking about competing with the top level of the SECW, what everyone wanted this year.

Agree we need a passer first and formemost, but as Joe always says, he's looking for a guy that can beat you with his arm, HIS LEGS and his brain. Maybe this guy can run, he just hasn't been asked to. But he has to be at least as good of a runner as McSorely or we would again be very limited on offense. I'm not saying KT or anyone else we have besides Shrader is necessarily the guy or a better fit, I'm just saying this dude is not a great fit if he isn't a weapon running.

[BeastMan]

Texas Longhorn Shane Buechele is on the market. Really good freshman year and has been in QB battles ever since. If we?re still looking, and I think we are, this is one to keep an eye on. Won?t be real until/if he visits

ETA- did not see other thread

[MrKotter]

https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?72314-Odds-on-Transfer-QBs

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Wimbush 49% completion % in 2017. Sign him up!!!

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Wimbush 49% completion % in 2017. Sign him up!!!

Those are rookie numbers. By the 7th game or so with us he'll be 4/19 with 3 picks

[BuckyIsAB****]

Its going to be Shrader or a transfer. Moorhead is not big on KT at QB. He may play WR he cant be any worse than what we've had. I love KT and think he deserves a shot but Im not the HC nor am I at practice every day, but the word from some people who were this past season was that KT was the better player. That could be due to them not liking Fitz on a personal level but who knows. Really odd situation IMO

[Irondawg]

That's the first time anyone has mentioned KT was better than Fitz at practice. Multiple other people have reported (and granted they could all have the same source) that Fitz was significantly better than KT in practice. I still like KT though and very curious what he can do.

[bulldawg28]

That's the first time anyone has mentioned KT was better than Fitz at practice. Multiple other people have reported (and granted they could all have the same source) that Fitz was significantly better than KT in practice. I still like KT though and very curious what he can do.

I've never been to any of the practices but it's clear KT was and is a true QB and better than Fitz. It's clear in the games when passes are called the difference. It's also clear that the nerves with KT show. Once he settles you can see his ability.

[DLGDawg]

I?ve said this in another thread..but hopefully KT is hitting the film room,throwing a lot and studying the playbook. He?ll also have another year of maturity next football season. My hope is that the game slows down for him and he can go through his progressions and actually read a defense.


I've never been to any of the practices but it's clear KT was and is a true QB and better than Fitz. It's clear in the games when passes are called the difference. It's also clear that the nerves with KT show. Once he settles you can see his ability.