WBB Tonight - MSU vs Oregon

[RocketDawg]

The game starts at 9 p.m. Central on ESPN2. Should be an entertaining game, and hopefully we'll play well. There's no reason to think otherwise.

[Maridian Dawg]

Better go ahead and mute the TV - Beth Mowins is on the announcing crew.

[mparkerfd20]

Nm

[RocketDawg]

I'm not sure how they're going to play on that god-awful looking floor. That's got to be distracting as well as causing vertigo. Why in the world would they do something like that?

[starkvegasdawg]

That court should be an automatic technical foul.

[RocketDawg]

Better go ahead and mute the TV - Beth Mowins is on the announcing crew.

Yeah, but at least it's not a football game.

Their facility sounds pretty raucous tonight with a large crowd. Probably will be the most unfriendly crowd this year.

[Cooterpoot]

Mowen’s fish flaps are getting foamy over Oregon.

[ShotgunDawg]

They are breaking our defense down like Marquette did

[mparkerfd20]

The jacket is off. We aren't playing D at all

[Dawgology]

Jacket off early. Saw that lane open up and easy drive and the jacket same off haha

[Dawgology]

Their court hurts my eyes.

[mparkerfd20]

They are pulling T out of the lane and driving by everyone else. Should be an easy fix... do something you've never done Vic and go zone!

[RocketDawg]

The jacket is off. We aren't playing D at all

True. If we keep this up both teams will be over 100. They do have some good players though, and probably have a little bone to pick over last year's game.

[Mjoelner34]

They are pulling T out of the lane and driving by everyone else. Should be an easy fix... do something you've never done Vic and go zone!

Just play a man and one. Leave T in the paint. Their big isn't going to win the game by playing 10 feet from the basket.

[RocketDawg]

Is Beth a Pac 12 announcer? She just said "You're watching the Pac 12 on ESPN2". Couldn't they get neutral announcers for an inter-conference game?

[ShotgunDawg]

Oregon's coach looks like John Malkovich

[Mjoelner34]

T shouldn't get 5 feet from the basket on D.

[LC Dawg]

That was a horseshit call on T.

[mparkerfd20]

Wow horrible call of a foul on T there

[Dawg2003]

They are breaking our defense down like Marquette did

It's concerning how we allow people to drive into the lane on us. This is where a zone might be helpful because our help defense isn't good.

[RocketDawg]

We look a little sloppy so far, and it's obvious we're going to be called closely. Need to start shooting better, and defending better.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Is Holmes a 100% liability cause she cannot shoot. Defense is 7 feet off of her at all times.
She can handle the ball, but its not like the penetrates and dishes.

[Kingbarkus]

Our offense is terrible so far.

[Cooterpoot]

We just aren’t as good as the last couple years.

[RocketDawg]

Their #14 is almost as tall as McCowan (not counting her hair).

[Dawgology]

Yeah we are lacking a little this year. Still a top 16 team though which isn’t bad for a rebuilding year haha

[Dawgology]

Terrible offensively tonight. Terrible

[RocketDawg]

Is Holmes a 100% liability cause she cannot shoot. Defense is 7 feet off of her at all times.
She can handle the ball, but its not like the penetrates and dishes.

Yes, so far. She took the last shot in the quarter and missed everything and now just missed a routine layup. She's normally better than that though. I think they just need to get in the groove a little. The game's tied and it feels like we're down by 15.

[RocketDawg]

Yeah we are lacking a little this year. Still a top 16 team though which isn’t bad for a rebuilding year haha


Nah, we're better than that. At least Top 10, maybe even top 4.

[Kingbarkus]

I don’t think we are far behind our past 2 years. I actually think we are better in some areas. We are still in the mix for a title.

[Dawg2003]

Our help side defense is bad. It just is. How many points have the scored right under the basket?

[LC Dawg]

If they are going to show that ND shot from last year they should show Morgan getting mugged right before it.

[Cooterpoot]

Terrible officiating tonight. One-sided.

[RocketDawg]

Our help side defense is bad. It just is. How many points have the scored right under the basket?

Well, Oregon has a pretty good team. Definitely the best we've played so far this year, so it's going to be a competitive game.

[LC Dawg]

Bullshit.

[Kingbarkus]

Ariel is injured. Ankle.

[Mjoelner34]

Bullshit! Oregon girl pushed her while she was catching the pass!

[RocketDawg]

Terrible officiating tonight. One-sided.


That wasn't a foul on T. The Oregon girl did a flop reminiscent of Katie Lou.

[MedDawg]

If they are going to show that ND shot from last year they should show Morgan getting mugged right before it.

Another bad call on T. She didn't even hit the girl with her elbow. The girl was leaning into T's space and T's shoulder hit her face. Not even a foul, much less flagrant. Or should be a foul on the Oregon player.

[Kingbarkus]

Vic is pissed at these officials.

[mparkerfd20]

Wow horrendous horrible call.

[RocketDawg]

Vic is pissed at these officials.

With good reason.

[starkvegasdawg]

Did I see an official say roll tide during the review?

[mparkerfd20]

****ing bullshit

[Mjoelner34]

Horrible refs but the refs aren't the ones making T play D 15 feet from the basket.

[Cooterpoot]

Oregon is pushing off constantly.

[Dawgology]

Oregon getting that home cooking lol

[mparkerfd20]

If anything that was a foul on Oregon. I'd have been tossed if I was Vic

[RocketDawg]

Did I see an official say roll tide during the review?

Ha. Wouldn't be surprised.

[Dawgology]

Horrible refs but the refs aren't the ones making T play D 15 feet from the basket.

T’s getting beat a lot. I remember she was left off some awards lists last year and I think awareness and hustle may be a big part of that.

[ShotgunDawg]

They can't miss a shot

[mparkerfd20]

.. We aren't beating these refs

[LC Dawg]

Vic really doesn't trust his bench. I hope that gets better soon.

[starkvegasdawg]

They can't miss a shot

But we can sure miss a point blank layup three times.

[Political Hack]

1) they don't miss.

2) they dont turn it over much.

3) were getting some major BS calls against us.

[Cooterpoot]

People have figured us out. Just pull T away and drive/go low. Then triple her because we can’t shoot it.

[Lord McBuckethead]

They can't miss a shot

When 85% of them are uncontested layups, they going to make them.

[mparkerfd20]

We gonna get run out of the gym

[fader2103]

Man this is horrible. Officials are horrible. I will give credit to Oregon they are coached up, but come on.

[Political Hack]

To even be in a position to tie this game is amazing considering.

[Political Hack]

Hell, we could score 4 here!!!

ETA: got 3. And the lead.

[RocketDawg]

Wow. A T on their coach. Might have the lead at halftime because of it.

[ShotgunDawg]

Alright, up by 1 at half time on the road vs a top 10 team that just played as well as they possibly could.

Not bad

[LC Dawg]

We look like a pretty damn good team to me.

[Kingbarkus]

Oregon coach unglued...fish hooked troll of ref. lol

[West Tn Dawg]

We gonna get run out of the gym

Come on Dude..........little early for that!

[Leeshouldveflanked]

We just aren?t as good as the last couple years.

How many teams mens/womens not named Kentucky/UConn would be as good losing 8 starters in 2 years?

[Lord McBuckethead]

That was a stupid technical foul. At the same time, T foul down low was even more bullshit. Vic reminded the refs that they cannot push her in the lower back. Very next possession, quick whistle.

[Dawgology]

That was a good end of half. Looked a little more energetic and confident at the end. Really lucky to be up right now

[RocketDawg]

Oregon coach unglued...fish hooked troll of ref. lol

I'm not sure what that mouth gesture means, but I guess the ref did. It got him a T.

[Cooterpoot]

How many teams not named Kentucky would be as good losing 8 starters in 2 years?

Duke

[Political Hack]

I'm not sure what that mouth gesture means, but I guess the ref did. It got him a T.

Vic complained about her pushing T in the back and then he called it immediately. Oregon coach got pissed and I guess told him he got caught hook, line and sinker.

[3rdGen]

I'm not sure what that mouth gesture means, but I guess the ref did. It got him a T.

He was saying that the refs bought into the Vic spiel hook line and sinker and that they are only calling a foul because he complained.

[3rdGen]

Haha me an political having thoughts together. Hahah

[Ezsoil]

They are pulling T out of the lane and driving by everyone else. Should be an easy fix... do something you've never done Vic and go zone!


You better watch yourself ....criticizing Vic will get you in trouble here...but coaches have seen the film on how to beat our man to man....and as we have seen VIc WILL NOT ever play a zone for any period of time

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Isn’t Oregon under NCAA investigation?

[mparkerfd20]

You better watch yourself ....criticizing Vic will get you in trouble here...but coaches have seen the film on how to beat our man to man....and as we have seen VIc WILL NOT ever play a zone for any period of time

No coach is perfect. Even Saban deserves some criticism at times.

[Dawg2003]

You better watch yourself ....criticizing Vic will get you in trouble here...but coaches have seen the film on how to beat our man to man....and as we have seen VIc WILL NOT ever play a zone for any period of time

All coaches have their faults no matter how good they are. This is Vic's weakness. He is stubborn when it comes to defense. I mentioned this once on that Gene's Page board and was attacked.

[RocketDawg]

Vic complained about her pushing T in the back and then he called it immediately. Oregon coach got pissed and I guess told him he got caught hook, line and sinker.

The coach was pretty cool about it in the interview with Holly though.

[Lord McBuckethead]

They have literally ran one play for 40 pts.

[Dawgology]

#14 with oregon is a tall white girl. Where did they say she is from. Has to be European. German or Denmark

[Lord McBuckethead]

Please God go 4 and 1 Vic. Make them make something over 10 feet or a lay up and we win this game.

[starkvegasdawg]

These refs are channeling their inner California Raisons. I've never seen so many travelling calls. They'd never make it in the nba. Their whistle would be worn out after a quarter.

[Mjoelner34]

If we just leave T under the basket on D, we're up by 20 right now and not looking back.

[West Tn Dawg]

T is to slow to be trying to slap at the ball and get back on D. She has gotten burnt three or four times!

[Dawgology]

T is to slow to be trying to slap at the ball and get back on D. She has gotten burnt three or four times!

Yeah I’m screaming the same thing. I wish she would stop and just stay under the basket damn

[maroonmania]

McCowan almost a total nonfactor on our offensive end.

[RocketDawg]

These refs are channeling their inner California Raisons. I've never seen so many travelling calls. They'd never make it in the nba. Their whistle would be worn out after a quarter.

They've been legitimate calls though. In the NBA they practically don't have to dribble at all.

[RocketDawg]

Am I right that Oregon's #3 is a cutie?

[RocketDawg]

Who is the gal that's assigned to restrain Vic?

[Red Sox Dawg]

These refs are not good

[mparkerfd20]

Horseshit

[RocketDawg]

Thought Vic was going to have a stroke. :)

[maroonmania]

Schaefer didn't need to give away those 2 points. I've seen a lot worse calls tonight than that offensive foul on Howard.

[Political Hack]

Survive the jitters and regroup. Get a break in 58 seconds.

[Irondawg]

Our offensive limitations from our guards is our biggest weakness. And Bibby has really struggled to get good looks lately as well

[Lord McBuckethead]

McCowan almost a total nonfactor on our offensive end.

And defensive end.

[RocketDawg]

Has Bibby made a 3 tonight?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Am I right that Oregon's #3 is a cutie?

Yes and 14

[mparkerfd20]

One of Ts worst games. Stop running out to the point and letting them continue to backdoor.

[fader2103]

Am I right that Oregon's #3 is a cutie?

I rather have 21. Man we got to get T involved on the offensive side. Also she seems to be one step behind tonight on defense to. She's just off tonight.

[West Tn Dawg]

Has Bibby made a 3 tonight?

Yes, one. They are not giving her any looks.

[Dawg2003]

Our offensive limitations from our guards is our biggest weakness. And Bibby has really struggled to get good looks lately as well

They have bottled Bibby up pretty well. She can't get open. McCowan looks like she doesn't really care on defense. Just kind of standing around. Thank goodness for Howard.

[EdDawg]

Did the announcers really say, "If your assistant has to restrain the coach it's an automatic technical?"

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Don’t know why Vic didn’t sub for T there at the end of third to give her a little rest..

[ShotgunDawg]

Horribly immature play by Danbury

[LC Dawg]

That was extremely dumb by Danberry.

[Irondawg]

The UConn transfer girl must not be very good

[ShotgunDawg]

That's not a foul

[parabrave]

Welp thank you refs. Didn't know you could create a foul till now.

[Cooterpoot]

We ain’t winning tonight.

[mparkerfd20]

Welp home cooking got us tonight. Goodnight.

[ShotgunDawg]

We're going to lose.

This team is extremely immature

[RocketDawg]

One of Ts worst games. Stop running out to the point and letting them continue to backdoor.

She seems to get frustrated too easily.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Oregon only has 9 players.... Vic lack of subbing played right into their hands...

[Lord McBuckethead]

Let Bibby bring the ball up. They are not extending to the 3 pt line. Let her walk up and drain it. Also, this will give t a little room. They have 4 people surrounding her cause Holmes can't shoot and everyone know it.

[Dawgology]

Yep that’s enough for me. Later

[RocketDawg]

The UConn transfer girl must not be very good

Has she even played tonight?

[Activated Alpha]

What is the score?

[fader2103]

Maybe this loss is what we need tonight for a young team. Get hit on the mouth and show that you're gonna have to step up to make it back to final four and championship game.

[Lord McBuckethead]

The UConn transfer girl must not be very good

Ironically she can't play a ball screen.

JK, I don't know.

[RocketDawg]

What is the score?

64-57 Oregon. Just under 8 minutes left in the game.

[Political Hack]

They know who are shooters are and shut them down and used their speed and that "sag defense" to stop the dribble drive. They schemed us perfectly. What sucks, is now everybody has seen it. But this team is still really, really good. Should win the SEC.

[RocketDawg]

Holmes has a unique layup move ....

[Lord McBuckethead]

66-60 Ducks.
40 pts in the paint by Oregon, approx
We have 12.

[Cooterpoot]

What shooters? Our guards are terrible shooters. We’ve got Bibby and she can’t create a shot. We have no scorer other than Howard really.

[BB30]

Is it just me or does T look like she isn?t giving any effort? There have been several rebounds that she?s just not gone after.

[Cooterpoot]

We also have no bench at all.

[Pinto]

Why is it not a moving screen on Oregon every time they go up top with their big?

[EdDawg]

One thing I've never quite understood about fouls in basketball. If the shooter is contacted AFTER the ball leaves their hand why is that a shooting foul?

[Lord McBuckethead]

70-60 after we missed an open layup, and then two free throws.

[Dawg2003]

66-60 Ducks.
40 pts in the paint by Oregon, approx
We have 12.

What an awful stat when you have a 6'7" player.

[msstate7]

Is it just me or does T look like she isn?t giving any effort? There have been several rebounds that she?s just not gone after.

I hardly ever watch, but I just saw her watch others go after a loose ball. She ended up getting the ball anyway, but it wasn't bc she went after it

[Lord McBuckethead]

Once contact is made, the offensive player is allowed to move towards the basket with their established position.

[Dawg2003]

Is it just me or does T look like she isn?t giving any effort? There have been several rebounds that she?s just not gone after.

Thought the same thing. Would have expected more of a senior than to get beaten mentally.

[Lord McBuckethead]

What an awful stat when you have a 6'7" player.

I am willing to bet, if T comes back in the next time she touches the ball she is going to get a flagerant foul the way she is throwing elbows.

[Hambone]

She’s frustrated, that’s for sure. But, the refs aren’t helping her out at all

[LC Dawg]

They are up by 10 and they are 19-20 on free throws. I think this is over. Even so, we've got a good team and time to get better.

[RocketDawg]

I am willing to bet, if T comes back in the next time she touches the ball she is going to get a flagerant foul the way she is throwing elbows.

Yep.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Why did Oregon just get two shots?

[BB30]

Thought the same thing. Would have expected more of a senior than to get beaten mentally.

Yea, I’ll be honest this is only my second time watching them this year but she hasn’t impressed me tonight. It seems like anytime she runs up against some difficulty she shuts down. I in the same boat in expecting more out of a senior that is so highly thought of. Hopefully it is just an off night for her.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Bonus

[West Tn Dawg]

These girls can shoot, and they hustle too!

[msstate7]

We can't stop fouling. If we foul, 2 points. This game ova

[EdDawg]

These girls can shoot, and they hustle too!

They can, but their post player should have fouled out by now. She gets into the back of the offensive player every time.

[RocketDawg]

We're pretty much looking like we've never played the game before right now.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Just first person to the 3 shoot it.

[ShotgunDawg]

This team needed a reality check. Too immature

[EdDawg]

We have to find another deep ball shooter even if it's only to shoot one or two a game.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We haven't handled adversity well at all tonight. From the coaching staff to the players.

[ShotgunDawg]

Oregon is shooting 96% from the free throw line.

[Irondawg]

We are just very limited offensively right now. Oregon guards have been impressive.

[Bothrops]

Vic will need a medical staff with him on the flight back. First time I remember him getting outcoached.

[EdDawg]

Missed the girl stepping out of bounds, must have brought SEC refs.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Exactly. We have no offense outside of T. How many layups have we made tonight, 5?

[West Tn Dawg]

I guess we know why they were ranked #3 and we were #6 to start the season. Right now, they are the better team.

[EdDawg]

Exactly. We have no offense outside of HOWARD. How many layups have we made tonight, 5?

FIFY

[RocketDawg]

Apparently T isn't coming back into the game. Anriel has played a great game tonight, in spite of fouling out.

[Cooterpoot]

These refs beat us. Even as poorly as we played, we win without the shit calls.

[EdDawg]

These refs beat us. Even as poorly as we played, we win without the shit calls.

That last one on Howard was awful.

[Irondawg]

They are better than us right now. We can beat a lot of teams with his roster but come tourney time we have to find some offense from guards. UConn girl or M Taylor is going to have to give us some good minutes and we need to run some set pieces for Bibby

[Lord McBuckethead]

Exposed. Lots to learn from with this game. Only thing, defensively, not sure if we have the players to adjust properly to defend what they were doing tonight. If a team has the athletes to run the 2 man game, T cannot get back

[Lord McBuckethead]

They are better than us right now. We can beat a lot of teams with his roster but come tourney time we have to find some offense from guards. UConn girl or M Taylor is going to have to give us some good minutes and we need to run some set pieces for Bibby

Yep. Exactly. Time to dig deep girls. Can't wait to see them get better.

[ShotgunDawg]

I guess we know why they were ranked #3 and we were #6 to start the season. Right now, they are the better team.

No they aren't

They played at home & shot their ass off.

On a neutral floor, we beat that Oregon team 7 of 10 times

[TimberBeast]

T was slow and seemed tired but there was a WHOLE LOT of home cooking tonight. 24 was fouling T all night and not getting called.

[ShotgunDawg]

This team needed this.

With so much roster turnover, they needed to get punched in the face.

This game will help us down the road

[West Tn Dawg]

No they aren't

They played at home & shot their ass off.

On a neutral floor, we beat that Oregon team 7 of 10 times

Say what you will, but tonight they were the better team. Give credit where it's due. They out shot us and out hustled us!

[Percho]

Let Bibby bring the ball up. They are not extending to the 3 pt line. Let her walk up and drain it. Also, this will give t a little room. They have 4 people surrounding her cause Holmes can't shoot and everyone know it.


You can't shoot if you won't shoot.

[ShotgunDawg]

Say what you will, but tonight they were the better team. Give credit where it's due. They out shot us and out hustled us!

Tonight yes, but they are not the better team.

You do realize that the worse team can win at home with they shoot 97% for the free throw line & shoot well? Right?

[Irondawg]

We’ve got to defend that high pick and roll better. Granted a lot of teams (including us) don’t have the guards to run it but Oregon and Marquette have is fits with guards getting penetration. We need to clean that up a little bit we need lots of work on offense. Been looking sloppy and rushed a lot lately

[KOdawg1]

They were begging Holmes to shoot a 3 and she couldn't do it. I love her energy but she provides us literally nothing from an offensive standpoint.

Whoever was guarding Bibby stayed in her grill the entire game. Couldn't get an open shot.

T has to keep her emotions under control. Jawing with opposing fans and letting other players get in her head only hurts us.

Great game by Anriel. What a pick up she was. This loss will help us later on but man it was a punch in the mouth. Oh, and the refs sucked too

[West Tn Dawg]

Tonight yes, but they are not the better team.

You do realize that the worse team can win at home with they shoot 97% for the free throw line & shoot well? Right?

No shit, Sherlock!

[Dawg2003]

Needed to use the bench more. You can't have them playing man to man like that all night with no rest. Especially Teiara.

[TimberBeast]

Needed to use the bench more. You can't have them playing man to man like that all night with no rest. Especially Teiara.

Absolutely agree with this, Carter is good and could have spelled T. Scott should have played more also.

[TXDawg]

These refs beat us. Even as poorly as we played, we win without the shit calls.

Oregn?s #24 committed at least 10 fouls tonight; only got called for 3.

[TimberBeast]

Oregn?s #24 committed at least 10 fouls tonight; only got called for 3.

Once she saw they weren’t going to call her on anything it was just about every trip down the floor both ways.

[tcdog70]

Vic will need a medical staff with him on the flight back. First time I remember him getting outcoached.

YOU MUST NOT HAVE WATCHED THE FINALS LAST YEAR.