Khalil Tate [Archive]

ckDOG

11-27-2018, 12:18 AM

He was a preseason front runner for the Heisman. Now seeing reports he will transfer. #SumlinEffect

Somewhat related side topic. Noel Mazzone is the OC at Arizona. Should be a familiar name to everyone on the board having been OM OC a couple different times. I'm too lazy to look up his actual performance at various stints (he might actually be decent), but why in the hell has that guy been recirculated so many times. He's coached EVERYWHERE.

msstate7

11-27-2018, 12:21 AM

Not sure he'd be interested in coming south, but his rating, yds per pass, and number of td passes are all better than KB. He's also a very good runner

Dallas_Dawg

11-27-2018, 12:29 AM

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TUSK

11-27-2018, 12:31 AM

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He was with OM in the late 90s, I think... don't know if he did USC or NFL...

Quaoarsking

11-27-2018, 12:46 AM

Prediction: Tate to Auburn, KB to MSU

Dawg61

11-27-2018, 01:19 AM

Sumlin has had a lot of big name QBs transfer under him.

CadaverDawg

11-27-2018, 01:39 AM

Prediction: Tate to Auburn, KB to MSU

Would make sense. Tate would excel in the Nick Marshall QB role in my opinion

msstate7

11-27-2018, 07:12 AM

Prediction: Tate to Auburn, KB to MSU

Tate to UCLA with kelly. Just guessing

ETA... just looked and he's from Inglewood. I think my UCLA prediction is solid

Johnson85

11-27-2018, 10:26 AM

Somewhat related side topic. Noel Mazzone is the OC at Arizona. Should be a familiar name to everyone on the board having been OM OC a couple different times. I'm too lazy to look up his actual performance at various stints (he might actually be decent), but why in the hell has that guy been recirculated so many times. He's coached EVERYWHERE.

Pretty sure he went with Tubberville to Auburn also. Think he had early success and got the boot later.

Tbonewannabe

11-27-2018, 10:28 AM

Pretty sure he went with Tubberville to Auburn also. Think he had early success and got the boot later.

Mazzone was also the person that Croom was supposedly going to replace McCorvey with if he got another year. Thank God Byrne didn't agree with that.

Cooterpoot

11-27-2018, 10:28 AM

His career completion percentage is similar to Fitz.

Commercecomet24

11-27-2018, 10:30 AM

I've watched Tate play a lot. He's extremely fast and athletic, but he's not a passer. He's a rb playing qb.

Coursesuper

11-27-2018, 10:32 AM

I've watched Tate play a lot. He's extremely fast and athletic, but he's not a passer. He's a rb playing qb.

Then he's prefect for Gus.

Commercecomet24

11-27-2018, 10:34 AM

Then he's prefect for Gus.

He would be but I think 7's right, he's a california kid and he'll probably wind up at ucla, or somewhere else in the west.

msstate7

11-27-2018, 10:40 AM

I've watched Tate play a lot. He's extremely fast and athletic, but he's not a passer. He's a rb playing qb.

Passer rating is 149.77. That's 29th in the country and better than minshew, Herbert, and lock. Last year he was 14th in the country in passer rating; Bryant was 60th.

msstate7

11-27-2018, 10:43 AM

His career completion percentage is similar to Fitz.

Career passer rating is 146.3; fitz is 123.9. Why is this board is enthralled with comp % as the end all, be all of qb evaluation? Jack Abraham of usm s the nations top comp % guy and stockstill of mtsu is 2nd... obviously the best QBs in the country. Tua and Murray are 1-2 in rating. Which metric you think tells the best QB?

Ifyouonlyknew

11-27-2018, 10:56 AM

Career passer rating is 146.3; fitz is 123.9. Why is this board is enthralled with comp % as the end all, be all of qb evaluation? Jack Abraham of usm s the nations top comp % guy and stockstill of mtsu is 2nd... obviously the best QBs in the country. Tua and Murray are 1-2 in rating. Which metric you think tells the best QB?

Nobody is saying completion % is the end all be all but it's a pretty damn important stat. The QB rating has a lot of flaws as well. QB rating gives you way more credit for throwing fewer Ints even if you throw for less yardage & less TD's. Case in point Jake Fromm has 179.4 QB rating with 69% 2236yds 24tds 5ints. While Will Grier QB rating is 175.5 with 67% 3864yds 37tds & 8ints & even worse Dwayne Haskins has a QB rating of 171.7 with 69% 4081yds 42tds & 7ints. Can you explain how Fromm QB rating is higher even though the other 2 guys clearly outperformed him?

Dawg-gone-dawgs

11-27-2018, 10:57 AM

He was a preseason front runner for the Heisman. Now seeing reports he will transfer. #SumlinEffect

Now here is one who is comparable to Fitz. The knock on him is he cannot pass.

Dawg-gone-dawgs

11-27-2018, 11:00 AM

Career passer rating is 146.3; fitz is 123.9. Why is this board is enthralled with comp % as the end all, be all of qb evaluation? Jack Abraham of usm s the nations top comp % guy and stockstill of mtsu is 2nd... obviously the best QBs in the country. Tua and Murray are 1-2 in rating. Which metric you think tells the best QB?

Because the higher percentage, the more catches and the smoother th........Why are we having to explain why completion percentage is important? Really? Why the hell did Moorhead say he needed 65% completion percentage from his QB for his offense? Maybe you can take this up with Moorhead, you obviously know more about this than him. smh

Jack Lambert

11-27-2018, 11:01 AM

Would make sense. Tate would excel in the Nick Marshall QB role in my opinion

At some point the money people at Auburn is going to get feed up with having to grab transfers every year. They might say anything while he is winning but he is going to have a few average years and it will be a nail in the coffin. Go get a high school guy while you grab transfers and develop him in the process.

StarkVegasSteve

11-27-2018, 11:01 AM

He's the perfect QB for Gus or Mullen. Honestly getting a Khalil Tate or KB might be the only thing to save Gus' job. Which actually could work in our favor for KB since the boosters might be less willing to make church donations this time.

Commercecomet24

11-27-2018, 11:05 AM

Passer rating is 149.77. That's 29th in the country and better than minshew, Herbert, and lock. Last year he was 14th in the country in passer rating; Bryant was 60th.

He's not a passer. He's a rb playing qb. Watch him play sometime.

ETA. You also realize he plays in a conference where defense is optional?

msstate7

11-27-2018, 11:11 AM

Nobody is saying completion % is the end all be all but it's a pretty damn important stat. The QB rating has a lot of flaws as well. QB rating gives you way more credit for throwing fewer Ints even if you throw for less yardage & less TD's. Case in point Jake Fromm has 179.4 QB rating with 69% 2236yds 24tds 5ints. While Will Grier QB rating is 175.5 with 67% 3864yds 37tds & 8ints & even worse Dwayne Haskins has a QB rating of 171.7 with 69% 4081yds 42tds & 7ints. Can you explain how Fromm QB rating is higher even though the other 2 guys clearly outperformed him?

Fromm in 233 passes has 24 td passes (1 td every 9.7 passes) and 9.6 yds/pass

Grier in 397 passes has 37 td passes (1 td every 10.8 passes) and 9.7 yds/pass

Haskins in 455 passes has 42 td passes (1 td every 10.8 passes) and 9.0 yds/pass.

If they all threw the same amount of passes as Haskins and maintained rate...

Haskins 42 td
Grier 42 td, but higher yds/pass
Fromm 47 td

msstate7

11-27-2018, 11:13 AM

Because the higher percentage, the more catches and the smoother th........Why are we having to explain why completion percentage is important? Really? Why the hell did Moorhead say he needed 65% completion percentage from his QB for his offense? Maybe you can take this up with Moorhead, you obviously know more about this than him. smh

Higher comp % is almost always horizontal passing. Look at the correlation between comp % and yds/pass

smootness

11-27-2018, 11:15 AM

Nobody is saying completion % is the end all be all but it's a pretty damn important stat. The QB rating has a lot of flaws as well. QB rating gives you way more credit for throwing fewer Ints even if you throw for less yardage & less TD's. Case in point Jake Fromm has 179.4 QB rating with 69% 2236yds 24tds 5ints. While Will Grier QB rating is 175.5 with 67% 3864yds 37tds & 8ints & even worse Dwayne Haskins has a QB rating of 171.7 with 69% 4081yds 42tds & 7ints. Can you explain how Fromm QB rating is higher even though the other 2 guys clearly outperformed him?

QB rating is all about your numbers per pass attempt. Fromm threw way fewer passes than Grier or Haskins. His per-pass numbers are actually better than both. Barely fewer yards per attempt than Grier (which is hugely important for QB rating) and higher than Haskins; and a better TD-per-attempt ratio than either one.

smootness

11-27-2018, 11:16 AM

Fromm in 233 passes has 24 td passes (1 td every 9.7 passes) and 9.6 yds/pass

Grier in 397 passes has 37 td passes (1 td every 10.8 passes) and 9.7 yds/pass

Haskins in 455 passes has 42 td passes (1 td every 10.8 passes) and 9.0 yds/pass.

If they all threw the same amount of passes at Haskins and maintained rate...

Haskins 42 td
Grier 42 td, but higher yds/pass
Fromm 47 td

Or what 7 said.

Ifyouonlyknew

11-27-2018, 11:30 AM

Fromm in 233 passes has 24 td passes (1 td every 9.7 passes) and 9.6 yds/pass

Grier in 397 passes has 37 td passes (1 td every 10.8 passes) and 9.7 yds/pass

Haskins in 455 passes has 42 td passes (1 td every 10.8 passes) and 9.0 yds/pass.

If they all threw the same amount of passes as Haskins and maintained rate...

Haskins 42 td
Grier 42 td, but higher yds/pass
Fromm 47 td

Thank you for the breakdown

Cooterpoot

11-27-2018, 11:36 AM

QBR varies from college to pros as well.

msstate7

11-27-2018, 11:43 AM

QBR varies from college to pros as well.

Speaking of espn's qbr, it didn't like Tate at all this season (#49). It loved Tate last season... Tate #2, fitz #14, Bryant #17. Fitz not even in top 50 this year

Pit Bull

11-27-2018, 12:00 PM

Not sure he'd be interested in coming south, but his rating, yds per pass, and number of td passes are all better than KB. He's also a very good runner

I've watched Khalil Tate several times this year. I like him better than Kelly Bryant.

smootness

11-27-2018, 12:17 PM

Speaking of espn's qbr, it didn't like Tate at all this season (#49). It loved Tate last season... Tate #2, fitz #14, Bryant #17. Fitz not even in top 50 this year

They must have removed or severely reduced the impact of QB rushing.

msstate7

11-27-2018, 12:20 PM

They must have removed or severely reduced the impact of QB rushing.

Tate's rushing went from 1400 last season to 200 this season. Not sure why sumlin didn't use his running ability more

Dawgfan77

11-27-2018, 12:41 PM

Mazzone was also the person that Croom was supposedly going to replace McCorvey with if he got another year. Thank God Byrne didn't agree with that.

That would be Al Borges

coachnorm

11-27-2018, 12:47 PM

Tate to UCLA with kelly. Just guessing

ETA... just looked and he's from Inglewood. I think my UCLA prediction is solid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo9c3y4TDrE

UCLA is focused on just ONE QB and he is a junior who weighs about 240 and is about 6ft 6in with top end speed. The thing that distinguishes him is his accurate throwing. UCLA will not cloud their recruiting of this junior with a Tate distraction? Check out the Youtube file.

msstate7

11-27-2018, 12:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo9c3y4TDrE

UCLA is focused on just ONE QB and he is a junior who weighs about 240 and is about 6ft 6in with top end speed. The thing that distinguishes him is his accurate throwing. UCLA will not cloud their recruiting of this junior with a Tate distraction? Check out the Youtube file.
Tate will be done before that kid steps foot on any campus

Dawg-gone-dawgs

11-28-2018, 02:58 PM

Ifyouonlyknew

11-28-2018, 03:16 PM

How you pronounce his name? Ukelele ???

Just pronounce it Clemson bound

msstate7

11-28-2018, 03:19 PM

Just pronounce it Clemson bound

Sit 1 year and take over... beat keeps going

Ifyouonlyknew

11-28-2018, 03:26 PM

Sit 1 year and take over... beat keeps going

Pretty much

StarkVegasSteve

11-28-2018, 03:54 PM

How you pronounce his name? Ukelele ???

Very VERY raw kid. If you've ever seen the series QB1, which I highly recommend, he's featured prominently in the second season as the backup for Re-Al Mitchell, who's now at Iowa St. Ukelele takes over in a couple of games early in the season and eventually gets the starting job. Not a very polished passer, but my god he's a battering ram at the high school level.