St Mary's game thread

[msstate7]

Listening and missed starting lineups. Perry starting for ado?

[parabrave]

Peters already 2 PFs and we are 3-7, 0-2 down 12-6.

[RougeDawg]

Q playing like garbage early. He is very inconsistent. Been that way every year.

[msstate7]

I'm not happy with this start

[parabrave]

17-6 with 13 mins to go. Can't shoot anything.

[RougeDawg]

17-6 with 13 mins to go. Can't shoot anything.

Missing point blank layups while they make theirs doesn?t help.

[maroonmania]

Do we EVER come out actually ready to play?

[msstate7]

9 mins into the game and no ado. He benched or hurt?

[msstate7]

Carter balling

[msstate7]

Get Woodard out. Missed layup equals 3 on other end.

[parabrave]

Carter starting to get hot. 16-22 8 mins left.

[Dawg2003]

9 mins into the game and no ado. He benched or hurt?

Did not start. Perry started in his place.

[msstate7]

Did not start. Perry started in his place.


16 mins in and no ado

[maroonwhitedawg3ddd]

Same ole shit different year. Going to be a long disappointing year yet again.:mad:

[parabrave]

Def starting to get turnovers and FB points. Leading now 30-27.

[chef dixon]

I know its way early but this is a must win game. All that talk about beefing up the non conference schedule does not mean anything if you lose them all. Not to mention these teams we are playing are not exactly tournament locks.

[Turfdawg67]

11-0 run to end the half and of course Q was a big part of it. You silly melters.

[MarketingBully]

35-27 at halftime. Another shitty sluggish start against an inferior team. Msstate7, Ado is hurt tonight. Howland gave Feazell way too many minutes. I’d play Jethro T some minutes at the five if I were him. I think Feazell has more minutes then Perry and Perry was actually playing decent. If we start Holman at the five he needs to play in the paint otherwise our spacing is asinine. I’m not impressed with Howland’s coaching early. He’s sucking ass with this team. Saint Mary’s sucks donkey balls and we let them get out to a 17-6 lead with meh early play, no hustle, no sense of urgency, and no leadership from the players.

[MarketingBully]

11-0 run to end the half and of course Q was a big part of it. You silly melters.

This is a very shitty team we are playing. Utah State beat the ever living shit out of them and was up by 25 only to win by 18.

[msstate7]

This is a very shitty team we are playing. Utah State beat the ever living shit out of them and was up by 25 only to win by 18.

Line was state -5.5

[msstate7]

This is maddening.

[parabrave]

Well Q gets hurt. Hopefully not bad/

[HoopsDawg]

Damn it Howland, just go small.

[parabrave]

Dam LP finally gets a 3 ptr.

[msstate7]

Jethro must be really bad if he can't get mins with no ado

[HoopsDawg]

Jethro must be really bad if he can't get mins with no ado

We should be fine without Ado. Perry and Holman are enough down low. Howland just has to play 8 guys.

[Percho]

Jethro must be really bad if he can't get mins with no ado

i though he was redshirting

[MarketingBully]

Jethro must be really bad if he can't get mins with no ado

Howland has lost it imo. This is going to be a maddening season. We probably will get an NCAA bid but it won?t be where we want. He?s going to coach a 3 to 4 seed talented team to a 10 seed.

[msstate7]

i though he was redshirting

Or that haha

I thought only Mullen RS'd jucos

[MarketingBully]

We should be fine without Ado. Perry and Holman are enough down low. Howland just has to play 8 guys.

Except when we start Holman at the 5, he’s playing on the perimeter and screwing up our spacing.

[msstate7]

We should be fine without Ado. Perry and Holman are enough down low. Howland just has to play 8 guys.

By sec play. I like playing a lot of guys early

[msstate7]

Richard Williams liking Woodard defense

[Liverpooldawg]

Howland has lost it imo. This is going to be a maddening season. We probably will get an NCAA bid but it won?t be where we want. He?s going to coach a 3 to 4 seed talented team to a 10 seed.

Dude, how long has it been since we have been in the tourney? The experienced talent we had coming back couldn't get in last year. There was NO basis, NONE, for calling this a 3-4 seed type team. That's just plain asinine. If this team gets in, no matter the seed, Howland has done one heck of a job. I never bought the ranking. There was zero basis for that either, other than who our coach is.

[HoopsDawg]

By sec play. I like playing a lot of guys early

These games are important. And Howland will play 9 all year.

[parabrave]

Richard Williams liking Woodard defense

And also giving TC a WTF moment on that 3ptr

[MarketingBully]

Line was state -5.5

Doesn?t matter. This team got beat by Utah State by 18 and were down by 25. They lost 70% of their production from last year. Face it, Howland has lost it and we are playing half assed basketball right now.

[HoopsDawg]

Doesn?t matter. This team got beat by Utah State by 18 and were down by 25. They lost 70% of their production from last year. Face it, Howland has lost it and we are playing half assed basketball right now.

You are right this is a bad basketball team.

[cheewgumm]

We should run at all cost, at every hint of an opportunity.

I'd also press some , if our team started looking like the effort wasn't there, to get them engaged.

[HoopsDawg]

We are so much better with Nick on the floor. He's got to stay out of foul trouble.

[maroonwhitedawg3ddd]

11pts so far in the second half. I see we came out of the half playing great once again. This team can only play for like 20 mins a game.. The rest is a debacle ..

[BayouDawg]

It just looks like we have no plan offensively

[msstate7]

Really disappointed with this team

[MarketingBully]

Dude, how long has it been since we have been in the tourney? The experienced talent we had coming back couldn't get in last year. There was NO basis, NONE, for calling this a 3-4 seed type team. That's just plain asinine. If this team gets in, no matter the seed, Howland has done one heck of a job. I never bought the ranking. There was zero basis for that either, other than who our coach is.

This take is laughable absolutely laughable. We have one of the four most talented lineups in the SEC. There’s a reason we were picked fourth in the SEC because on paper we have one of the more talented teams in the league. Reggie Perry is a McD AA and Howland has him playing like a scrub at times. Woodard is a top 50 player and he looks lost too in the early going. We have 8 top 100 players on this team. It’s put up or shut up for Howland this year. Saint Mary’s is a shitty team.

[HoopsDawg]

This is awful. Why is Howland playing Feazell? We haven't gone back to the lineup that went on an 11-0 run.

[BayouDawg]

Just not mentally engaged the past two days. Howland better get their attention quick

[maroonwhitedawg3ddd]

All this so called talent and looky looky same results ... This team needs there ass kicked for playing this way...

[civildawg]

Howland going to get fired if this keeps up.

[HoopsDawg]

Down 2. Finally have a decent lineup on the floor. Maybe we can make a run.

[Liverpooldawg]

This take is laughable absolutely laughable. We have one of the four most talented lineups in the SEC. There?s a reason we were picked fourth in the SEC because on paper we have one of the more talented teams in the league. Reggie Perry is a McD AA and Howland has him playing like a scrub at times. Woodard is a top 50 player and he looks lost too in the early going. We have 8 top 100 players on this team. It?s put up or shut up for Howland this year. Saint Mary?s is a shitty team.

You buy into what others think of talent too much. Talent ratings don't mean a damn thing. Winning on the court does. This team may still win a bunch of games, it's still too early to tell. But EXPECTING a 3-4 seed after where we have been is just nuts. I'll be over the moon if we actually make the real tournament. What we did last year is like making the semifinals in the FCS football playoffs, it's nice, if you are in the FCS.

[BayouDawg]

We have got to start playing with great effort for 40 min.

[cheewgumm]

Quit shooting so many threes.

We're shooting 20% from 3.

Just stop.

[HoopsDawg]

Down 2. Finally have a decent lineup on the floor. Maybe we can make a run.

4-0 run with this lineup though not sure why Woodard keeps shooting 3s. We are 5-22 from 3. 5-22.

[maroonwhitedawg3ddd]

Learn to play for the full 40 mins and not just 20 mins a game would be nice... SMH

[HoopsDawg]

4-0 run with this lineup though not sure why Woodard keeps shooting 3s. We are 5-22 from 3. 5-22.

5-23.

[msstate7]

Every 3 attempt by us is pretty much a wasted possession

[BayouDawg]

You almost have to try to be this bad at shooting 3s

[parabrave]

5 for fing 23 3pts.

[msstate7]

Howland has won big in this sport. How does he not give half these guys a redlight on 3-pt shots?

[cheewgumm]

What is our 3 point % on the year?

[msstate7]

What is our 3 point % on the year?

.039

[cheewgumm]

39%

wow, better than I'd have thought. That's surprising.

[HoopsDawg]

I can't stress how bad 54 points is against this St Marys team. Howland has got to force more tempo bc we are good in transition and horrible in the half court.

[msstate7]

We're 19/31 (.613) from 2

[cheewgumm]

Holman shot a 3 with 30 seconds left and up by 3.

[msstate7]

39%

wow, better than I'd have thought. That's surprising.

I put 3.9% and it was a joke

[HoopsDawg]

39%

wow, better than I'd have thought. That's surprising.

He was joking.

[HoopsDawg]

They only had 3 team fouls. That shows we aren't attacking the basket at all.

[mparkerfd20]

Howland can recruit but cant coach for shit anymore.

[cheewgumm]

i almost asked if you meant 3.9%, but i figured thats what you meant.

I knew it was too good to be true!!!!

[HoopsDawg]

5 for fing 23 3pts.

5-24.

[Cooterpoot]

I got blasted for saying Howland was washed up last year. If he can’t make the tourney this year it’s time to talk about change.

[civildawg]

Looks like we will be on the bubble again this year. I just don?t understand how we still can?t shoot

[mparkerfd20]

I got blasted for saying Howland was washed up last year. If he can?t make the tourney this year it?s time to talk about change.

You aren't alone thinking he's washed up.

[msstate7]

A win. I'll take it

[Coach007]

So we escape...

No Ado tonight ?

[maroonwhitedawg3ddd]

Or this year is gonna be very disappointing. SMH

[Irondawg]

I have two big beefs with Howland:

1) He had a few years to rebuild and set the culture and he didn't institute discipline from defensive effort to shot selection
2) He keeps trying to re-recruit R. Westbrook type PG and those are few and far between. I think he should focus on a floor general since we're generally recruiting low basketball IQ guys, you can't have your PG also be out of control 80% of the time.


That said I love Woodard's game, really like the King guy we just signed. Those guys appear to be smart players. But we recruited another raw athlete PQ and not a guy who really has a feel for the floor.

[cheewgumm]

We should change our strategy to make it simple:

1) Run always
2) Go to the rim on every possession

Shoot about 10-15(max) threes a game

[BayouDawg]

Very fortunate to come out 1-1 in this tournament. The team had their heads way up their butts.

Hopefully the team will continue to gel

[HoopsDawg]

1-12 from 3 in the 2nd half. Nick hit 2 clutch free throws.

[MarketingBully]

61-57 against a team who was blown out by Utah freaking State. I’ll take a win but I’m underwhelmed by Howland’s coaching so far. If we had lost this game would have been hard as hell to come back from. Another thing that limits Howland is his refusal to play anything but man to man. Usually when you want to stop dribble penetration and you have a great shot blocker (we ****ing have two) you might be best served to try a zone every now and then. Just a thought. I feel like Ado and Holman are wasted because the old man wants us to play man to man all the time.

[HoopsDawg]

We should change our strategy to make it simple:

1) Run always
2) Go to the rim on every possession

Shoot about 10-15(max) threes a game

I agree and I think I'm ready to turn the team over to Nick and let Lamar play the 2.

[KOdawg1]

One would think that after like 6-7 years of not being able to shoot three-pointers, we would eventually at least be able to get to a point where we're mediocre at them.

I mean, even small schools who have 5'10" white dudes can shoot better than we do. It's unbelievable

[chef dixon]

Just need to rack up wins honestly. St Mary's is not their normal caliber but still a win over them looks better than any non conference game we won last year. This would have been a huge loss come March. We have to get better and someone needs to step up and be the leader of this team.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Sounds like we did the same old crap. The good news is Saint Mary's has been pretty good recently. RPI the past 3 seasons has been 28, 17, 29.

ETA: didn't realize they got demolished by Utah State in the first game. That sucks.

[KOdawg1]

Just need to rack up wins honestly. St Mary's is not their normal caliber but still a win over them looks better than any non conference game we won last year. This would have been a huge loss come March. We have to get better and someone needs to step up and be the leader of this team.

You're right. And I would expect that leader to be Q Weatherspoon since he's been here for 4 years, but I honestly don't care who it is. Someone needs to step up. These past two games have been ugly.

[TALL DAWG]

We should change our strategy to make it simple:

1) Run always
2) Go to the rim on every possession

Shoot about 10-15(max) threes a game

YES!!!
No way we should ever shoot over 15 3-Pointers per game....unless we make at least 35% of the first 15 shots and...then shoot few more each game.
This 20.8% (or less) crap will NOT cut it.
And, taking a 3 pointer with a 3 pt lead with 30 secs left was a head scratcher. Drive the dang ball into the lane!

[BuckyIsAB****]

I feel like we will shoot the ball better we have some guys that can get hot they just aint falling right now.

I do have a prob with continuing to jack them up if they arent going in though. We have 3 guys that are great attacking the rim they should do it as much as possible. (Peters, Spoons)

This team is going to go as Lamar Peters goes until Lil Spoon becomes the alpha. Its obvious right now that Lamar is the leader and he is so moody from game to game we just dont know which one we are going to get

[MarketingBully]

I feel like we will shoot the ball better we have some guys that can get hot they just aint falling right now.

I do have a prob with continuing to jack them up if they arent going in though. We have 3 guys that are great attacking the rim they should do it as much as possible. (Peters, Spoons)

This team is going to go as Lamar Peters goes until Lil Spoon becomes the alpha. Its obvious right now that Lamar is the leader and he is so moody from game to game we just dont know which one we are going to get

We will start shooting better when we stop shooting off the dribble threes and start shooting catch and shoot threes that are run from our offense going inside and then kicking out. We are struggling because A) Peters keeps shooting off the dribble step back threes and B) Carter is freaking shooting 26 foot threes. We are our own worst enemy right now imo.

[dawgday166]

Take the win, move on, and get better. Don't want the team to be smoking hot now, those teams always fade in Feb/Mar. No bad losses and win when we should no matter how ugly. Feb/Mar is where it counts.

[MarketingBully]

Take the win, move on, and get better. Don't want the team to be smoking hot now, those teams always fade in Feb/Mar. No bad losses and win when we should no matter how ugly. Feb/Mar is where it counts.

This would have been a bad loss had we not pulled it out. We missed a great opportunity to win this tournament. No way should this team have lost to any of these 3 teams (ASU, SMC, or USU). Hell, Utah State could beat Arizona State. Disappointed with how we played but we do get other ways to make it up. Have to play smarter, play better defense, block out, and be patient on offense. Those things have to improve 1000% if we are going to get where we want to go.

[Dawg61]

61-57 against a team who was blown out by Utah freaking State. I’ll take a win but I’m underwhelmed by Howland’s coaching so far. If we had lost this game would have been hard as hell to come back from. Another thing that limits Howland is his refusal to play anything but man to man. Usually when you want to stop dribble penetration and you have a great shot blocker (we ****ing have two) you might be best served to try a zone every now and then. Just a thought. I feel like Ado and Holman are wasted because the old man wants us to play man to man all the time.

Utah State isn't bad this year. They are 5-0 and tied with Arizona State in the 2nd half currently.

[Ari Gold]

61-57 against a team who was blown out by Utah freaking State. I’ll take a win but I’m underwhelmed by Howland’s coaching so far. If we had lost this game would have been hard as hell to come back from. Another thing that limits Howland is his refusal to play anything but man to man. Usually when you want to stop dribble penetration and you have a great shot blocker (we ****ing have two) you might be best served to try a zone every now and then. Just a thought. I feel like Ado and Holman are wasted because the old man wants us to play man to man all the time.

We gave up 57 points and you complaining about our defense?

[Bully13]

Not impressed with Howland coaching. Lots of mediocre coaches would have better results with our talent. Too much man to man and too many 3's.

[MarketingBully]

We gave up 57 points and you complaining about our defense?

I watched the game. There were way too many drives to the basket where we didn’t have helpside defense or let the driver go unimpeeded to the basket. Have to improve on defense and use our length to get in the passing lanes to create more turnovers for fast break opportunities. Defense isn’t where it should be. Personally with our length and shot blockers, I’d use zone almost exclusively to stop drives to the basket. We’d of destroyed Arizona State playing a zone as they got a lot of their points driving to the basket.

[tcdog70]

In the AZ State game we tried driving to the rack, but Refs weren't calling the fouls. Q and LAMAR,both got fouled with no call several times. Didn't see last night game.

[MarketingBully]

Not impressed with Howland coaching. Lots of mediocre coaches would have better results with our talent. Too much man to man and too many 3's.


I’m not exaggerating here but if Howland actually used a zone during his tenure here, he’d have 12-15 more wins in his four years. His stubbornness of only playing man to man has cost us dearly.

[MarketingBully]

In the AZ State game we tried driving to the rack, but Refs weren't calling the fouls. Q and LAMAR,both got fouled with no call several times. Didn't see last night game.

Got to fight through shitty reffing. Thought our pouting led to the 7 minute stretch at the end of the first half which let Arizona State balloon their lead from 4 to 15 which ended up costing us the game. We are a veteran team and need to stop the immaturity.

[MarketingBully]

Pretty bad when you could hear Howland screaming all through the game the following: “Help, Help (meaning helpside defense).” Heard “will somebody block out!!!” Heard “slow it down, patience patience!!” But it does you no good to yell those things if you don’t take out the ones not giving any effort. It’s just white noise until it effects their bottom line.

[Ari Gold]

The basketball IQ of our fan base is astonishing low.

Just a few bullet points:

-On zone defense. If any of you think it’s easier to play a GOOD zone defense than man to man you are wrong . That’s why so few teams do it. And it’s not going to solve defensive rebounding it would make it harder.
Again we gave up less than 60 points yesterday outside of a Virginia team that rarely happens.

-On the 3 ball. The game has changed people. I agree we shoot a lot of 3’s but so does EVERY OTHER TEAM . Out of all the games played yesterday I bet less than half dozen or so of them shot less than 10 hell I might even say 15 3’s .. it’s the way the game is played now ..

-its Game 5 of the season. You people act like teams don’t improve as the year goes on. It’s not football. I’m sure after the first 5 games of the 1996 season no one had us making the sweet 16 and we go to the final 4

- and finally on CBH . All you mother ****ers better say a special thank you today that we got this man to Starkville when we did.

This is what year 4 .. and outside of Lamar and a game or 2 by a couple others ex players it’s pretty refreshing to not have to worry about fights in stands , players suspended every other week, and rumblings of shitty locker room..
and the team is Ranked in the top 25 with a great shot of getting somewhere we haven’t been in years and for that matter not very often period. The ****ing NCAA tourney

[Ari Gold]

Pretty bad when you could hear Howland screaming all through the game the following: “Help, Help (meaning helpside defense).” Heard “will somebody block out!!!” Heard “slow it down, patience patience!!” But it does you no good to yell those things if you don’t take out the ones not giving any effort. It’s just white noise until it effects their bottom line.

Yeah because no other head coaches Coach during the game.???? I’m sure Bruce Pearl is doing all that hollaring during the game for his benifit....
I don’t even understand what this post is.

[MCsMGs]

The basketball IQ of our fan base is astonishing low.

Yeah...It's getting hard for me to even hang around here much anymore. The amount of BS one has to wade through to get to anything intelligent or constructive is mind boggling. I understand getting frustrated, especially during game threads, but I thought there was a rule against going "full retard".

[Bully13]

Bullshit. there is a reason the NBA does not allow zone. think about it.

[Dawg2003]

I?m not exaggerating here but if Howland actually used a zone during his tenure here, he?d have 12-15 more wins in his four years. His stubbornness of only playing man to man has cost us dearly.

I wonder about his stubbornness on this. I won't claim to know enough to say when zone would help, but I don't think it's good to be so stubborn that you won't ever use zone. Even Schaefer had his team practicing zone during one of these first games, and I know he's always talked about his preference for man to man.

[Dawg2003]

Yeah...It's getting hard for me to even hang around here much anymore. The amount of BS one has to wade through to get to anything intelligent or constructive is mind boggling. I understand getting frustrated, especially during game threads, but I thought there was a rule against going "full retard".

The curse of being intelligent. . . .

[MarketingBully]

The basketball IQ of our fan base is astonishing low.

Just a few bullet points:

-On zone defense. If any of you think it?s easier to play a GOOD zone defense than man to man you are wrong . That?s why so few teams do it. And it?s not going to solve defensive rebounding it would make it harder.
Again we gave up less than 60 points yesterday outside of a Virginia team that rarely happens.

-On the 3 ball. The game has changed people. I agree we shoot a lot of 3?s but so does EVERY OTHER TEAM . Out of all the games played yesterday I bet less than half dozen or so of them shot less than 10 hell I might even say 15 3?s .. it?s the way the game is played now ..

-its Game 5 of the season. You people act like teams don?t improve as the year goes on. It?s not football. I?m sure after the first 5 games of the 1996 season no one had us making the sweet 16 and we go to the final 4

- and finally on CBH . All you mother ****ers better say a special thank you today that we got this man to Starkville when we did.

This is what year 4 .. and outside of Lamar and a game or 2 by a couple others ex players it?s pretty refreshing to not have to worry about fights in stands , players suspended every other week, and rumblings of shitty locker room..
and the team is Ranked in the top 25 with a great shot of getting somewhere we haven?t been in years and for that matter not very often period. The ****ing NCAA tourney

I know quite a bit about basketball thank you and it?s much much easier to play zone then man to man. Man to man requires a ton of communication and requires a lot of helpside defense and can negate length and the shot blockers we have. It?s much easier and expends less energy guarding an area instead of guarding a man plus with a zone you allow your shot blocker to roam the paint. As far as defensive rebounding, we don?t block out anyway so it wouldn?t matter. We don?t block out already in our man to man. It?s amazing the lack of basketball knowledge you show that you don?t know these basic things why our team makeup screams zone and not man to man. We?d be extremely good in a 2/3 or even the amoeba zone that Tark the Shark implemented.

[MarketingBully]

Bullshit. there is a reason the NBA does not allow zone. think about it.

Because they know offense sells tickets. The dribble drive with spacing basically will kill a man to man. Why do you think Jim Boeheim always over performs at tournament time. Why do you think most teams struggle against it? Because most teams implement the dribble drive offense to drive to the basket for layups.

[MarketingBully]

Yeah because no other head coaches Coach during the game.???? I’m sure Bruce Pearl is doing all that hollaring during the game for his benifit....
I don’t even understand what this post is.

My point is he sees the problem but doesn’t fix it by benching the offenders. Early in his career he’d be doing less screaming and do more benching the offender and screaming at them on the bench. He’s still letting them play and thus they aren’t getting the point you don’t give full effort you’re going to get benched.

[MarketingBully]

I wonder about his stubbornness on this. I won't claim to know enough to say when zone would help, but I don't think it's good to be so stubborn that you won't ever use zone. Even Schaefer had his team practicing zone during one of these first games, and I know he's always talked about his preference for man to man.

I think it’s good to have it in your arsenal and switch defenses from man to man to zone back to man to man to keep the offense off balance. I think had we implemented a zone against Arizona State we’d of beat them by quite a bit. I wouldn’t implement it against a good perimeter team but I would against teams that are driving on you or when some of our players got in foul trouble as the zone protects players who are in foul trouble.