Forgot about basketball game tonight.....

[Pit Bull]

…..we play AZ State out west somewhere. Saw it's being televised on ESPN.....kind of late though....10 pm.

[LC Dawg]

It's on ESPNU.
I'm curious to see if Nick W plays and how he looks on his ankle if he plays.

[Pit Bull]

It's on ESPNU.
I'm curious to see if Nick W plays and how he looks on his ankle if he plays.

Yeah.....as much pain as he was in, would be kind of tough being able to play tonight.....but who knows....different players handle pain in different ways.

[LC Dawg]

Nick started and looks good on the ankle.

[Pit Bull]

Nick started and looks good on the ankle.

He must have been overreacting somewhat.....injury vs LBSU must not have been that bad. Probably just a slight ankle roll. I rolled mine like that once, and it was a grade 2 sprain and the doc put it in a hard cast for 6 weeks.

[BayouDawg]

Our ball movemnet looks improved so far this year. Q needs to be a little more in control when he drives

[preachermatt83]

We're gonna be Killin it from behind the arch. We got a good team but we still ain't good from downtown.

[LC Dawg]

Peters seems to have fallen back in love with shooting. He was much better last year when he decided to focus on distributing the ball and driving and shooting less outside shots.

[mparkerfd20]

That was one hell of a travel. Not a foul

[preachermatt83]

Ado still doesn't impress me at all

[Dawg61]

Ado still doesn't impress me at all

Sophomore slumps do happen. Peters had one for most the year so did Q although his was more injury related.

[mparkerfd20]

We are a hot mess. Shoot like shit still

[BayouDawg]

Getting whipped on the glass. Perry used to being bigger and stronger than everyone. Gotta learn to put a butt somebody

[Dawg2003]

I see our 3 point shooting is still a disease.

[msstate7]

Howland is gonna have to give the red light on 3s

[BayouDawg]

Our lack of physicality is concerning.

[preachermatt83]

We still ain't very good.

[BayouDawg]

Not mentally engaged

[mparkerfd20]

We aren't winning tonight

[chef dixon]

We are terrible

[mparkerfd20]

These refs are horrible.

[Coach007]

Ado.... not looking Good. Perry is lost on defense....


Offense not playing together as a team.... too Many "I"s..


NO DEFENSE underneath...

[RougeDawg]

Our effort is horrible.

[preachermatt83]

This is embarrassing

[Coach007]

This team is looking LOST on Defense... Just wide open looks for them... getting killed on the boards is not acceptable to this degree.

[RougeDawg]

Ado is no better this year than last year. He looks lost.

[BayouDawg]

Let that #15 in the rankings get to our head. Mental midgetry must be a required course for all student athletes at state

[mparkerfd20]

ASU getting away with a lot of uncalled shit

[maroonmania]

Our team is so soft. And i"ve thought that even watching the 3 earlier games. AZ State looks like a team full of football players and they are abusing us. They are getting so many repeat possessions on the offensive end its comical. One time I think they missed like 6 shots and then finally made it on the 7th but we couldn't get a rebound.

[msstate7]

Wish howland would take the perimeter shot away from about half the team

[West Tn Dawg]

Looks like there mind is saying it's 8:00 but the body says BS, it's 10:00!

[maroonmania]

Wish howland would take the perimeter shot away from about half the team

We certainly aren't going to make many interior shots against these guys. They are gorillas.

[BayouDawg]

Perry is playin that classic spectator defense

[maroonmania]

Making us look like little boys on the glass.

[LC Dawg]

ASU is out-efforting us.

[RougeDawg]

We aren?t even trying to get offensive rebounds.

[maroonmania]

The rebounding differential is comical.

[msstate7]

Howland needs to pull all 5. Long rebound and no one went after it

[Coach007]

Nobody going after Offensive boards. NOBODY!

Everybody standing around!

[CJDAWG85]

This is garbage. Guys are just standing and watching rebounds come down. Where the hell is the hustle?

[MaroonFlounder]

We will never learn. And Howland is ok with it.

[BayouDawg]

This effort is garbage. This is why people dont go to the hump. Crap product

[maroonmania]

Not looking too good at the moment.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Yea this is shit effort.

[Cooterpoot]

Same old MSU basketball. I refuse to get excited.

[preachermatt83]

Well that was pitiful

[msstate7]

Garbage effort. Howland, you need to get ahold of this team.

[WSOPdawg]

I stopped counting at 1-for-12 on treys

[BuckyIsAB****]

Lamar Peters just pushed his teammates off of him after ball hogging for a terrible last shot

[Coach007]

Peters still ..


Come on man. You can't do everything.. That last shot attempt was just dumb.

[BayouDawg]

This may be howlands swan song

[MarketingBully]

Worst half of basketball I’ve seen since we played Cincinnati. The refs letting ASU get away with a ton of shit. Half their team should be fouled out by now. Our inability to hit perimeter shots will be out undoing. If we don’t figure out that quickly, we are a borderline NCAA tourney team. When you miss perimeter shots, it leads to run outs on the other end.

[Coach007]

Lamar Peters just pushed his teammates off of him after ball hogging for a terrible last shot

................. Sad isn't it.

[CJDAWG85]

Peters better shut his mouth. He’s right to be mad about the cheap calls on him and not get it on the other end, but he doesn’t need to get a technical.

[maroonmania]

I'll be honest, I've been impressed with Howland's recruiting since he has been at MSU but not his coaching. We just look like a very soft team and have since Howland has been here. And its hard to be successful as a soft team when you shoot as poorly from the perimeter as we do every year.

[preachermatt83]

This effort is garbage. This is why people dont go to the hump. Crap product

Preach!!!

[BiscuitEater]

These refs are horrible.

While I agree totally, these refs are NOT the reason we are getting skulldrug.

[BhamDawg]

Ado is so bad

[MarketingBully]

No reason whatsoever to be down 15 to ASU. Piss poor coaching by Howland.

[Dawg2003]

Peters can get hot and be great, but he can also be a liability. He is more in it for himself than the team at the end of the day. He wants to be the star. I question Howland too for letting it go on like that.

[HoopsDawg]

Just an embarrassing performance. From coaches to players.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Ado is so bad

He reminds me of a young McCowan. All size no skill

[mparkerfd20]

ASU is so long. They will be at least a Sweet 16 team

[Pit Bull]

I can see why I almost forgot we were playing tonight. ASU looks like the #15 team IMO.

[LC Dawg]

Hurley's team is playing like he did - with lots of effort.
Our team is playing like they met some Vegas hookers earlier and they smoked weed and screwed all day.

[maroonmania]

We have talent no doubt. Were Howland's Pittsburgh and UCLA teams coached like this?

[BuckyIsAB****]

Peters is going to carry this team one way or the other. If he is on we are going to be good if he is off we are going to be bad. This will be the case till we get a real leader.

Its not Q. I think it could be Nick Spoon he seems like more of a alpha than Q is. Q is clutch but if he was a leader he would be by now

[Coach007]

While I agree totally, these refs are NOT the reason we are getting skulldrug.

Nope. When you have 5 guys watching the other team rebound, there's 75% of your problem. When you are being boxed on on the D-Boards everytime... It's an issue. Just by the numbers, they are getting way more looks due to it.

[MarketingBully]

Hurley's team is playing like he did - with lots of effort.
Our team is playing like they met some Vegas hookers earlier and they smoked weed and screwed all day.

Hurley’s team is playing thug ball like Tennessee does. It works when refs call it like this but make no mistake they are fouling the shit out of us.

[CJDAWG85]

2-15 from 3 isn’t going to cut it. Attack the basket and work from the inside out.

[LC Dawg]

Peters can get hot and be great, but he can also be a liability. He is more in it for himself than the team at the end of the day. He wants to be the star. I question Howland too for letting it go on like that.

There is a lot of this in college basketball today. It's one of the reasons it's not nearly as good of a product as it once was.

[CJDAWG85]

Also losing the boards 28-13

[MarketingBully]

How the hell does ASU only have 6 called fouls? Holy shit these refs are biased towards ASU...we were called for 10 to 6 fouls. Now that’s bullshit.

[LC Dawg]

Hurley’s team is playing thug ball like Tennessee does. It works when refs call it like this but make no mistake they are fouling the shit out of us.

And they were letting it go since the opening whistle and we haven't adapted at all. We are getting our ass whipped. Refs ain't the problem.

[maroonmania]

Also losing the boards 28-13

And it looks worse than that. Pitiful.

[MarketingBully]

2-15 from 3 isn’t going to cut it. Attack the basket and work from the inside out.


They did and got the shit fouled out of them going to the basket with nothing called.

[Cooterpoot]

There?s no discipline and Peters is allowed to do whatever he wants.

[MarketingBully]

And they were letting it go since the opening whistle and we haven't adapted at all. We are getting our ass whipped. Refs ain't the problem.


How is a double foul advantage letting it go? We’ve driven to the basket just as much as them yet they have a 12-2 free throw shooting advantage. They called Peters for 2 ticky tack fouls and called Nick W for a charge (which is an NBA rule NOT a college rule) and a block which should of been a charge. The refs have been shit.

[99jc]

This is why I prefer to watch the women play. The men have frustrated me to many times. Can Vic coach the men, women and the football team.

[Mutt the Hoople]

Our team is playing like they met some Vegas hookers earlier and they smoked weed and screwed all day.
You say that like it's a bad thing.

[Coach007]

This is why I prefer to watch the women play. The men have frustrated me to many times. Can Vic coach the men, women and the football team.

For the first time... you made me laugh.

That was funny

[LC Dawg]

Nice start to the 2nd half.

[CJDAWG85]

Good start to the half. Keep up the intensity.

[Coach007]

Oh LOOK... OFFENSE is being ran!

[LC Dawg]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It's why you go to college.

[BayouDawg]

Good start to the second half

[Coach007]

That was a 2!!! All day!

[CJDAWG85]

BOOM!

[Coach007]

Gotta get back on defense and find your man...

AND WHY was nobody getting back to help Aric.

[CJDAWG85]

These officials are absolutely horrible.

[Dawg2003]

There is a lot of this in college basketball today. It's one of the reasons it's not nearly as good of a product as it once was.

You're right. I think a lot of it has to do with all these kids thinking they can make it in the NBA, so they only want to stick around for a few years. So they are more into padding stats than playing for their team and the program.

[MarketingBully]

Getting screwed by the refs assholes!!!!!

[BayouDawg]

Q has misses more layups than anyone I have ever seen.

[mparkerfd20]

17 these 17ing refs. I'm going to bed

[Coach007]

When Perry is in we are lost on defense.... He has to grow up quickly

[Coach007]

Perry again out of position!

[BayouDawg]

Why do our McDonald?s all Americans play more like Bumpers all Americans?

[Coach007]

down by 6....



Stay strong on defense guys

[StarkVegasSteve]

We can't guard Martin to save our lives

[LC Dawg]

We are not going to have a great season without our freshmen contributing so we have to play them now to let them learn but Perry and Woodard both have a ways to go. They are obviously talented though.

[Coach007]

We are not going to have a great season without our freshmen contributing so we have to play them now to let them learn but Perry and Woodard both have a ways to go. They are obviously talented though.

I agree.

[Coach007]

Come on....6 points... Guys... bring it NOW!

[msstate7]

Q will hit a spurt soon.

[BayouDawg]

Facing adversity against a solid power 5 team will benefit us. I hate how we started but this is needed

[BayouDawg]

Just upping the intensity on the glass has made a monumental difference.

[Coach007]

Come on!

1 possession game!

[LC Dawg]

Our effort and toughness is so much better this half.

[BayouDawg]

Damn it nick 3 on 2 and you piss it away

[Coach007]

2 pt game!

[BayouDawg]

Good job ado

[maroonmania]

Win or lose I do feel much better with how this team has decided they want to compete this 2nd half.

[Coach007]

For the TIE!

[BayouDawg]

Nick get your butt down and move your damn feet on defense

[BayouDawg]

Good strong finish Q!

[maroonmania]

ASU has made some very tough shots tonight.

[Coach007]

ASU has made some very tough shots tonight.

#0... Dorat???

He's their team. Period. Without him they are not really good.

[preachermatt83]

We need to keep playing with this intensity

[BayouDawg]

Win lose or draw, I like how the team has responded after a craptastic first half

[CJDAWG85]

The Spoon’s are killing us.

[maroonmania]

Some very poor possessions to let ASU get back in the lead.

[preachermatt83]

Put q on the dang bench.

[maroonmania]

And we are back to jacking up long 3s.

[LC Dawg]

We are missing opportunities. Gotta convert breaks when we get the chance.

[BayouDawg]

The sooons are competing to see which one can miss the most layups

[CJDAWG85]

Nick either has to go up hard for the dunk or hit the trailer.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

This is exactly how so many games last year went. Get destroyed in the first half, come all the way back, then when we get within a basket or two have some awful possessions and the other team pulls away enough that we run out of time.

[BayouDawg]

Nick either has to go up hard for the dunk or hit the trailer.

Nick chose option 3: get it shoved back in your face.

[msstate7]

This is exactly how so many games last year went. Get destroyed in the first half, come all the way back, then when we get within a basket or two have some awful possessions and the other team pulls away enough that we run out of time.

Not over

[maroonmania]

Leaving too many points on the table lately.

[Coach007]

Peters again took a fast 3 with the game within reach... Why? It wasn't even an open look

[msstate7]

What an awful TO

[maroonmania]

Terrible turnover.

[Coach007]

Terrible turnover.

We need this win!

[maroonmania]

Ever since we tied it our quality of play has gone down dramatically.

[BayouDawg]

Try not to suck

[Coach007]

I consider it a break through game in mentality!

[BayouDawg]

Good job on the glass Q

[maroonmania]

It ain't over yet!

[CJDAWG85]

Huge 3

[msstate7]

Remember when we (me included) asked if Perry would start over Holman? Yeah, that was dumb

[Lord McBuckethead]

Alright, no more easy baskets from here on out defense.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Not over

Would certainly be good to get over that hump.

[Coach007]

This is the make of break Time out!

Ebn... This separates you from most coaches... LET'S WRAP THIS UP!!

[Lord McBuckethead]

Lets go.

[msstate7]

Alright, no more easy baskets from here on out defense.
Good TO by howland. Challenge the defense here

[BayouDawg]

Clutch Holman. Got to start playing 40 minutes with this intensity

[Coach007]

For the TIE!!!!!!!

[Dawg61]

2nd half team looks good

[parabrave]

63-65 with 240 to go. 8-28 3s/ Thought we got out of that.

[Coach007]

Peters is the biggest ball hog ever. Kick it out!

[Coach007]

For the tie or lead again!

[msstate7]

Sheet

[CJDAWG85]

What a shit D effort. Leave their only ****ing 3 point shooter wide ass open

[Coach007]

And the Freshman allowed the 3... Woodard.... Play your position man

[HoopsDawg]

You can't help off the corner Woodard.

[Cooterpoot]

Y’all let me know when we beat somebody and make the big dance. Been waiting awhile.

[BayouDawg]

When teams play us they become the most clutch shooting teams in the world

[HoopsDawg]

We do so many things poorly.

[Dawgology]

This isn’t a tournament team. Just isn’t happening. They got outmuscled, out hustled, and are just sloppy at handling the ball. Same song different year.

[msstate7]

When teams play us they become the most clutch shooting teams in the world

Our program is cursed

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Same old thing

[RougeDawg]

Horrible 1st half kills us yet again.

[msstate7]

This isn’t a tournament team. Just isn’t happening. They got outmuscled, out hustled, and are just sloppy at handling the ball. Same song different year.

Name your stakes. I'll bet that too

[Coach007]

You can't help off the corner Woodard.

That was his responsibility.


Our Freshmen have to grow up quickly....

[BayouDawg]

Well thats what happens when you come out with your thumb in your ass for the first 20 minutes

[Dawgology]

We are talking about a premature football coaching search when we need to be looking at men’s basketball coaches.

[HoopsDawg]

Incredible to lose to this ASU team without one of their best players, Rob Edwards.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

And the Freshman allowed the 3... Woodard.... Play your position man

Woodard only in the game because Q took himself out with game on the line..

[Cooterpoot]

I think we can win the NIT this year.

[Political Hack]

We got better tonight even though it's sucks to do it with a loss. But I think they know what level of intensity they need to play with now. The only thing that bothered me is that we didn't manage our possessions very well down the stretch. Didn't value them like we should have. We could've gotten better shots.

[LC Dawg]

That's what happens when you play an entire half with your head up your ass. Our guys fought back in the 2nd half but they didn't deserve to win. Maybe they'll learn from this.

[msstate7]

That was his responsibility.


Our Freshmen have to grow up quickly....

They have time. I thought Woodard played well tonight. Nothing from ado is the killer so far this season

[BayouDawg]

Basketball is a long season. Plenty of time to turn it around. How quickly we forget how stans would blow at least 3 noncon games even in his tournament years.

[RougeDawg]

They have time. I thought Woodard played well tonight. Nothing from ado is the killer so far this season

Ado still looks weak and lost. He gets stripped all the time and never finishes strong.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Our program is cursed


Cursed with a poor strength and conditioning program... we run out of gas and ASU was much stronger than us.

[CJDAWG85]

Incredible to lose to this ASU team without one of their best players, Rob Edwards.

I believe they lost their top 3 scorers from last year if I heard right.

[Coach007]

They have time. I thought Woodard played well tonight. Nothing from ado is the killer so far this season

ADO needs to be able to score some points. IF Perry gets the defense down, he will pass Ado.

[HoopsDawg]

They have time. I thought Woodard played well tonight. Nothing from ado is the killer so far this season

Woodard can't shoot right now but he does a lot of things well. That one play wasn't the reason we lost but it was a really poor decision. You just don't double off the corner and Holman and Peters had the guy doubled.

[Coach007]

How quickly we forget how stans would blow at least 3 noncon games even in his tournament years.


What does Stans have to do with this team?




Let it go.....

[Coach007]

Woodard can't shoot right now but he does a lot of things well. That one play wasn't the reason we lost but it was a really poor decision. You just don't double off the corner and Holman and Peters had the guy doubled.

right. And Woodard, Perry really were heavily involved in the huge run they went on in the first half.

[HoopsDawg]

We played inside out in the 2nd half and got out in transition. Played outside-in in the first half and Howland made a poor sub with Feazell and Perry in the game together. Too much to overcome.

[MarketingBully]

Incredible to lose to this ASU team without one of their best players, Rob Edwards.

Well the guy who replaced him was their head thug who basically fouled at will in the first half and set the tone that they were going to foul the shit out of us until the refs called it. He was also the guy who got called for an intentional foul against Holman in the second half but the damage was already done. They were able to foul at will in the first half which is a big reason they got up 15. Had the refs called it even remotely close ASU fouls out most of their players. The only chance ASU had was if the refs swallowed the whistle like they did. Oh well, on the bright side a team like that does prepare you to play a Tennessee team who also plays with equal amount of thuggery.

[Dawg61]

We are talking about a premature football coaching search when we need to be looking at men’s basketball coaches.

What? Absurd post. Bobby Hurley is a great coach and Arizona State is a tournament team playing in their backyard of Las Vegas. We don't play like shit in the first half we win this game by 7+ points. We weren't gonna go 13-0 in OOC games. Some of y'all live in die with each game like it's the entire season riding on it.

[BayouDawg]

What does Stans have to do with this team?




Let it go.....

Well I would have said Rick ray but he didnt exactly take us to the tournament. Richard Williams lost to arky pine bluff on our final four year. Is that better example. Deer lowered

[CJDAWG85]

We attempted 69 FG’s tonight and 30 were from 3. That’s way too many.

[Coach007]

Well I would have said Rick ray but he didnt exactly take us to the tournament. Richard Williams lost to arky pine bluff on our final four year. Is that better example. Deer lowered


LOL! Alright. I give......

[HoopsDawg]

We attempted 69 FG’s tonight and 30 were from 3. That’s way too many.

Carter has got to give us more off the bench. Peters was terrible in the first half. And Q just flat out had a poor game. Ugly loss.

[Coach007]

Carter has got to give us more off the bench. Peters was terrible in the first half. And Q just flat out had a poor game. Ugly loss.

I think Peters is a bigger liability than a help at most times.

[CJDAWG85]

Ado and Carter scoring 2 each is killer.

[Dawg61]

What does Stans have to do with this team?




Let it go.....

Stansbury comments will never go away as long as there are Stansbury lovers that get offended every time his name gets mentioned. I thought someone that posts as much as you would understand this by now. I overestimated you. Won't happen again. .

[msstate7]

Carter has got to give us more off the bench. Peters was terrible in the first half. And Q just flat out had a poor game. Ugly loss.

Even captain negative here isn't taking too much from this game. We went out west and played a 10 central time game against a west coast team. No matter the sport, miss state doesn't play well out west it seems

[HoopsDawg]

Ado and Carter scoring 2 each is killer.

We don't really need Ado to score. But Carter coming in and going 1-6 really hurts.

[HoopsDawg]

Even captain negative here isn't taking too much from this game. We went out west and played a 10 central time game against a west coast team. No matter the sport, miss state doesn't play well out west it seems

It's one game. No need for a melt...yet. We do need to bounce back and beat St Marys though.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Even captain negative here isn't taking too much from this game. We went out west and played a 10 central time game against a west coast team. No matter the sport, miss state doesn't play well out west it seems
It's not a huge deal that we lost, it's just disappointing that we're doing the same crap we did last year. It's probably not as many as I think it is, but I feel like we lost half a dozen games last season in the exact manner we did tonight.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We just didn't come to play in the first half. Nick having to go out with 3 with 5 minutes to go really sealed the game. Great job in the second half though. A lot to build on and a lot to work on definitely.

[Dawg61]

It's not a huge deal that we lost, it's just disappointing that we're doing the same crap we did last year. It's probably not as many as I think it is, but I feel like we lost half a dozen games last season in the exact manner we did tonight.

Can't have slow first halves. They get you beat vs good teams every time. You aren't exaggerating. We had minimum half a dozen slow halves vs SEC teams alone last year. That's 100% on Howland. He has to find a way to get his team playing a full 40 minutes. Maybe it's his subbing in the first half that is the problem. Maybe he subs too quickly in the 1st half. We were up 13-11 and then went to total shit for the rest of the 1st half. Can't have that.

[Dawgology]

What? Absurd post. Bobby Hurley is a great coach and Arizona State is a tournament team playing in their backyard of Las Vegas. We don't play like shit in the first half we win this game by 7+ points. We weren't gonna go 13-0 in OOC games. Some of y'all live in die with each game like it's the entire season riding on it.

Not 1 game but 4 seasons now. We look about like we did last year. Strong run in the NIT

[MarketingBully]

I don’t think Arizona State is a tourney team but I don’t think this loss hurts us that much. Just got to win Wednesday. Lose to a bad Saint Mary’s team and that will worry me.

[Dawg61]

Not 1 game but 4 seasons now. We look about like we did last year. Strong run in the NIT

Well we are currently ranked the highest we've been in a decade. Probably not the time to look for a new coach.

[Bully13]

What a bi polar thread.

[chef dixon]

We have no true difference makers that we can rely on every game to take charge. Everyone is a glorified role player, some obviously better than others.

[Political Hack]

Ado and Carter scoring 2 each is killer.

For the 14th time this season, and it'll be 100 more before it's over, Ado is not a scorer. He's not expected to score. He's a defensive specialist that is long and can run the floor. If he takes zero shots, has zero points, and has zero turnovers, he did his job on offense.

[Liverpooldawg]

I tried to tell y'all to cool the jets and just wait and see about basketball. That still applies by the way. One loss, or one win, doesn't mean much by itself.

[shannondawg]

After Nick got the ball fed back to him several times on layups, I thought about it and it could be that his ankle kept him from dunking the ball instead trying a layup like a girl. (well not our girls, but some)

[Dawgology]

Well we are currently ranked the highest we've been in a decade. Probably not the time to look for a new coach.

I don't think I would use a preseason ranking as a crutch at MSU for any sport except for maybe Women's bball

[thf24]

For the 14th time this season, and it'll be 100 more before it's over, Ado is not a scorer. He's not expected to score. He's a defensive specialist that is long and can run the floor. If he takes zero shots, has zero points, and has zero turnovers, he did his job on offense.

This is true, but I think we're going to find a consistent low block scoring threat somewhere on the roster for this team to reach its potential. If not Ado, maybe that's Perry with some more experience.

[shannondawg]

6 or 8 points off the bench was pretty dismal.

[tcdog70]

Woodard only in the game because Q took himself out with game on the line..

why not tell it all. He got knocked down ( no call) and was hurting.

[tcdog70]

Cursed with a poor strength and conditioning program... we run out of gas and ASU was much stronger than us.

ran out of gas my ass. W made up a 18 points. Their guy jacks a three and we miss a wide ass open three. running out of gas --bullshit. The fact The Refs let 0 just run over everybody didn't help. The fouled Q-Peters and Nick when they would drive. It is one game--get a grip. This team is a good one--Damn we have shitty fans.

[tcdog70]

We have no true difference makers that we can rely on every game to take charge. Everyone is a glorified role player, some obviously better than others.

so I guess you are rolling from a Fitz hater to a Witherspoon hater. why are you even a Bulldog fan?

[tcdog70]

What? Absurd post. Bobby Hurley is a great coach and Arizona State is a tournament team playing in their backyard of Las Vegas. We don't play like shit in the first half we win this game by 7+ points. We weren't gonna go 13-0 in OOC games. Some of y'all live in die with each game like it's the entire season riding on it.

thank you for posting the truth.

[Dawg61]

I don't think I would use a preseason ranking as a crutch at MSU for any sport except for maybe Women's bball

It's not a preseason ranking. That was #18. We've moved up 3 spots since the season has been underway for two weeks.

[chef dixon]

so I guess you are rolling from a Fitz hater to a Witherspoon hater. why are you even a Bulldog fan?

I like Weatherspoon. He does not take over games though. He is not someone other teams have to fully game plan against.

I am sorry you have a man crush on Fitz and have to bring him up even when we aren?t taking about him. Must be tough.

[tcdog70]

I like Weatherspoon. He does not take over games though. He is not someone other teams have to fully game plan against.

I am sorry you have a man crush on Fitz and have to bring him up even when we aren?t taking about him. Must be tough.

no need to be sorry-I think Nick has been a warrior and has been one of the best QBs in MSU history. Sorry for you being a continuing basher of a Young Man that has played his ass off and been one of the best QBs in the SEC. But , I think with BB you will continue with your student athlete negativity. Being a Dick must be a point of honor for you.

[chef dixon]

no need to be sorry-I think Nick has been a warrior and has been one of the best QBs in MSU history. Sorry for you being a continuing basher of a Young Man that has played his ass off and been one of the best QBs in the SEC. But , I think with BB you will continue with your student athlete negativity. Being a Dick must be a point of honor for you.

Whatever you say man. You are overly emotional about it to bring it up out of nowhere. He deserves criticism on his QB play as a 5th year senior but I understand he has been trying hard. I?ll leave it at that considering this is a basketball thread.

I actually like all of our basketball players. I just think we do not have a go to guy and it is a problem. If you would like to actually discuss that point then I would be happy to hear your side.

[fishwater99]

After Nick got the ball fed back to him several times on layups, I thought about it and it could be that his ankle kept him from dunking the ball instead trying a layup like a girl. (well not our girls, but some)

Nick needed to pass both of those times, we had players open for a layups. Might have cost us the game.

[BayouDawg]

Nick needed to pass both of those times, we had players open for a layups. Might have cost us the game.

This is accurate. Gotta have more awareness

[tcdog70]

Whatever you say man. You are overly emotional about it to bring it up out of nowhere. He deserves criticism on his QB play as a 5th year senior but I understand he has been trying hard. I?ll leave it at that considering this is a basketball thread.

I actually like all of our basketball players. I just think we do not have a go to guy and it is a problem. If you would like to actually discuss that point then I would be happy to hear your side.

how many games does Q have to win with a last second shot, before He is our go to guy? I think Nick and Peters would be Ok with last shot. i had no problem with Holman taking the 3 at the end-his play kept us in the game.

[chef dixon]

how many games does Q have to win with a last second shot, before He is our go to guy? I think Nick and Peters would be Ok with last shot. i had no problem with Holman taking the 3 at the end-his play kept us in the game.

That?s kind of my point. You mentioned 4 different guys. Q has been awesome on some last shots in his career. My question is more who?s going to be able to fill it up on a game by game basis. My concern at the moment is none of these guys are a big enough threat from 3 to be that.

[tcdog70]

That?s kind of my point. You mentioned 4 different guys. Q has been awesome on some last shots in his career. My question is more who?s going to be able to fill it up on a game by game basis. My concern at the moment is none of these guys are a big enough threat from 3 to be that.

Would you think someone who shot .440% from the 3 might be a big enough threat?