Sunday Morning QB- Croom Part 2 edition

[Coach34]

1. This is our worst offense since the worst offensive coach in modern SEC history walked our sidelines. We in no way, shape, or form employ an "offensive genius". He has turned a veteran offense that averaged around 27 PPG in SEC games last season into an embarrassing, impotent, and confused group of players. You simply cannot defend anything at this point about our offense. It was the same with Croom- too many reads for the people he had on campus and the defenses he faced. Croom never adapted- I dont expect this guy to either.

2. If you get nothing out of this post today- please learn one thing: Nick Fitzgerald DID NOT MISS SPRING PRACTICE. He practiced every day of Spring Practice. He got reps during individual time and 7 on 7. He worked on this offense and its reads. What he did not do was get live team reps. They all went to KT and the walk-ons.

3. As a few on here have stated but many can't seem to grasp- the problem with our offense is confusion. The QB has too many reads. The WR's have too many reads. The OL stays confused. This offense is not going to work vs good SEC defenses because of all the pressure and man coverage- it doesnt matter who the QB is. We're trying hard to recruit Bryant from Clemson for next season- but that still isnt going to make us better against good defenses.

4. Fitz holds the ball too long because he simply isnt being coached up on where to go with it. A well-coached QB knows where to go with the ball when he gets a look. Not every pass is a 3-4 read process. We arent protecting well at times and his decision time is short. Way too many reads going on offense. When Fitz does hit the targets- they drop it. Yesterday's 3 drops kept Fitz from completing 70% of his passes. It cost us a couple of first downs

5. JoMo takes pride in not changing offensive personnel. He is learning this year in Big Boy ball that your ass better get some TE's in the game on 3rd and 1 vs the Bama's and LSU's of the world. He just runs a simple Zone Read and Bama runs 2 of the backside- DE chases down the TB and the OLB took Fitz. JoMo is learning the hard way about the speed of SEC DL's and Safeties. The lack of soft zone coverage. The shorter amount of time that QB's have to make decisions.

6. We dont have enough designed hand offs in this offense. Thats just dumb.

7. Where are the screens and quick passes? It's fine to want to throw deep- but you better do some things to get rid of the ball quick and keep the DL guys off your QB. We dont do that.

8. No excuse in not calling a time-out on the Bama fumble. No excuse on the delay of game penalties- we dont huddle. We are taking too long to get the play called and then checking with the coach to see if its ok to run it. It's ridiculous. We just simply dont look well-coached on the offensive side of the ball. It makes the QB look bad as he always gets too much blame or too much credit. It makes it all look bad. It doesnt matter who recruits- the things we are doing are not going to be successful vs good SEC defenses. We wont bring in elite offensive talent to Sville in recruiting.

9. Shoop has done a great job on D- and we lose a ton of talent. While we will still have some good players on D next year- we lose our insane depth this year. The D will take a step back next year obviously but should be solid.

10. Highly unlikely we make a change after the season- but this will be the best team Moorhead coaches at Miss State. And he blew it. The OM game next year likely decides if we end up bowl eligible. Gonna be a long 3-4 years

[Bully13]

17 this. Mississippi will always have good high school and jr college players that will choose MSU.

[msstate7]

I really like to argue with you, C34, but you nailed it. Nothing to add or argue

[Noxdog]

1. This is our worst offense since the worst offensive coach in modern SEC history walked our sidelines. We in no way, shape, or form employ an "offensive genius". He has turned a veteran offense that averaged around 27 PPG in SEC games last season into an embarrassing, impotent, and confused group of players. You simply cannot defend anything at this point about our offense. It was the same with Croom- too many reads for the people he had on campus and the defenses he faced. Croom never adapted- I dont expect this guy to either.

2. If you get nothing out of this post today- please learn one thing: Nick Fitzgerald DID NOT MISS SPRING PRACTICE. He practiced every day of Spring Practice. He got reps during individual time and 7 on 7. He worked on this offense and its reads. What he did not do was get live team reps. They all went to KT and the walk-ons.

3. As a few on here have stated but many can't seem to grasp- the problem with our offense is confusion. The QB has too many reads. The WR's have too many reads. The OL stays confused. This offense is not going to work vs good SEC defenses because of all the pressure and man coverage- it doesnt matter who the QB is. We're trying hard to recruit Bryant from Clemson for next season- but that still isnt going to make us better against good defenses.

4. Fitz holds the ball too long because he simply isnt being coached up on where to go with it. A well-coached QB knows where to go with the ball when he gets a look. Not every pass is a 3-4 read process. We arent protecting well at times and his decision time is short. Way too many reads going on offense. When Fitz does hit the targets- they drop it. Yesterday's 3 drops kept Fitz from completing 70% of his passes. It cost us a couple of first downs

5. JoMo takes pride in not changing offensive personnel. He is learning this year in Big Boy ball that your ass better get some TE's in the game on 3rd and 1 vs the Bama's and LSU's of the world. He just runs a simple Zone Read and Bama runs 2 of the backside- DE chases down the TB and the OLB took Fitz. JoMo is learning the hard way about the speed of SEC DL's and Safeties. The lack of soft zone coverage. The shorter amount of time that QB's have to make decisions.

6. We dont have enough designed hand offs in this offense. Thats just dumb.

7. Where are the screens and quick passes? It's fine to want to throw deep- but you better do some things to get rid of the ball quick and keep the DL guys off your QB. We dont do that.

8. No excuse in not calling a time-out on the Bama fumble. No excuse on the delay of game penalties- we dont huddle. We are taking too long to get the play called and then checking with the coach to see if its ok to run it. It's ridiculous. We just simply dont look well-coached on the offensive side of the ball. It makes the QB look bad as he always gets too much blame or too much credit. It makes it all look bad. It doesnt matter who recruits- the things we are doing are not going to be successful vs good SEC defenses. We wont bring in elite offensive talent to Sville in recruiting.

9. Shoop has done a great job on D- and we lose a ton of talent. While we will still have some good players on D next year- we lose our insane depth this year. The D will take a step back next year obviously but should be solid.

10. Highly unlikely we make a change after the season- but this will be the best team Moorhead coaches at Miss State. And he blew it. The OM game next year likely decides if we end up bowl eligible. Gonna be a long 3-4 years

BTW, what happened to the Denver Airport director (can't remember user name)? Also why does spiderman post less now and Clint Eastwood rarely post?

Hey, at least we still have cowpower, uberbravesfan7 and preacher********

Board is dead.

Yes, I know that I don't post much, just an observation.

[Coursesuper]

17 this. Mississippi will always have good high school and jr college players that will choose MSU.

Yes there are a lot of good players, but to win in our league you need a bunch of great players and there are not enough of those in MS to go around.

[dawgday166]

Mississippi produces Dlinemen and some LBs. They don't put QBs, Olinemen, RBs anymore, or WRs in the league that much and when they do, they come from another SEC school not MSU.

[phatdog]

17 this. Mississippi will always have good high school and jr college players that will choose MSU.

When was the last time we, or anybody, signed a Mississippi QB that could read a defense?

[Coursesuper]

1. This is our worst offense since the worst offensive coach in modern SEC history walked our sidelines. We in no way, shape, or form employ an "offensive genius". He has turned a veteran offense that averaged around 27 PPG in SEC games last season into an embarrassing, impotent, and confused group of players. You simply cannot defend anything at this point about our offense. It was the same with Croom- too many reads for the people he had on campus and the defenses he faced. Croom never adapted- I dont expect this guy to either.

2. If you get nothing out of this post today- please learn one thing: Nick Fitzgerald DID NOT MISS SPRING PRACTICE. He practiced every day of Spring Practice. He got reps during individual time and 7 on 7. He worked on this offense and its reads. What he did not do was get live team reps. They all went to KT and the walk-ons.

3. As a few on here have stated but many can't seem to grasp- the problem with our offense is confusion. The QB has too many reads. The WR's have too many reads. The OL stays confused. This offense is not going to work vs good SEC defenses because of all the pressure and man coverage- it doesnt matter who the QB is. We're trying hard to recruit Bryant from Clemson for next season- but that still isnt going to make us better against good defenses.

4. Fitz holds the ball too long because he simply isnt being coached up on where to go with it. A well-coached QB knows where to go with the ball when he gets a look. Not every pass is a 3-4 read process. We arent protecting well at times and his decision time is short. Way too many reads going on offense. When Fitz does hit the targets- they drop it. Yesterday's 3 drops kept Fitz from completing 70% of his passes. It cost us a couple of first downs

5. JoMo takes pride in not changing offensive personnel. He is learning this year in Big Boy ball that your ass better get some TE's in the game on 3rd and 1 vs the Bama's and LSU's of the world. He just runs a simple Zone Read and Bama runs 2 of the backside- DE chases down the TB and the OLB took Fitz. JoMo is learning the hard way about the speed of SEC DL's and Safeties. The lack of soft zone coverage. The shorter amount of time that QB's have to make decisions.

6. We dont have enough designed hand offs in this offense. Thats just dumb.

7. Where are the screens and quick passes? It's fine to want to throw deep- but you better do some things to get rid of the ball quick and keep the DL guys off your QB. We dont do that.

8. No excuse in not calling a time-out on the Bama fumble. No excuse on the delay of game penalties- we dont huddle. We are taking too long to get the play called and then checking with the coach to see if its ok to run it. It's ridiculous. We just simply dont look well-coached on the offensive side of the ball. It makes the QB look bad as he always gets too much blame or too much credit. It makes it all look bad. It doesnt matter who recruits- the things we are doing are not going to be successful vs good SEC defenses. We wont bring in elite offensive talent to Sville in recruiting.

9. Shoop has done a great job on D- and we lose a ton of talent. While we will still have some good players on D next year- we lose our insane depth this year. The D will take a step back next year obviously but should be solid.

10. Highly unlikely we make a change after the season- but this will be the best team Moorhead coaches at Miss State. And he blew it. The OM game next year likely decides if we end up bowl eligible. Gonna be a long 3-4 years

Hit it in the head, we've been confused since day 1.

[HoopsDawg]

Amen.

[Saltydog]

NT

[RougeDawg]

BTW, what happened to the Denver Airport director (can't remember user name)? Also why does spiderman post less now and Clint Eastwood rarely post?

Hey, at least we still have cowpower, uberbravesfan7 and preacher********

Board is dead.

Yes, I know that I don't post much, just an observation.

Board is dead because the majority of the Mods went full retard and didn?t know how to get the sand out of their vag*nas back in the spring. They are still fighting the sandy Vags and flashing their PC Police badges daily around here. It?s pretty absurd and unbearable. The board went full on prekindergarten around April/May 2018.

[msudawglb]

1. This is our worst offense since the worst offensive coach in modern SEC history walked our sidelines. We in no way, shape, or form employ an "offensive genius". He has turned a veteran offense that averaged around 27 PPG in SEC games last season into an embarrassing, impotent, and confused group of players. You simply cannot defend anything at this point about our offense. It was the same with Croom- too many reads for the people he had on campus and the defenses he faced. Croom never adapted- I dont expect this guy to either.

2. If you get nothing out of this post today- please learn one thing: Nick Fitzgerald DID NOT MISS SPRING PRACTICE. He practiced every day of Spring Practice. He got reps during individual time and 7 on 7. He worked on this offense and its reads. What he did not do was get live team reps. They all went to KT and the walk-ons.

3. As a few on here have stated but many can't seem to grasp- the problem with our offense is confusion. The QB has too many reads. The WR's have too many reads. The OL stays confused. This offense is not going to work vs good SEC defenses because of all the pressure and man coverage- it doesnt matter who the QB is. We're trying hard to recruit Bryant from Clemson for next season- but that still isnt going to make us better against good defenses.

4. Fitz holds the ball too long because he simply isnt being coached up on where to go with it. A well-coached QB knows where to go with the ball when he gets a look. Not every pass is a 3-4 read process. We arent protecting well at times and his decision time is short. Way too many reads going on offense. When Fitz does hit the targets- they drop it. Yesterday's 3 drops kept Fitz from completing 70% of his passes. It cost us a couple of first downs

5. JoMo takes pride in not changing offensive personnel. He is learning this year in Big Boy ball that your ass better get some TE's in the game on 3rd and 1 vs the Bama's and LSU's of the world. He just runs a simple Zone Read and Bama runs 2 of the backside- DE chases down the TB and the OLB took Fitz. JoMo is learning the hard way about the speed of SEC DL's and Safeties. The lack of soft zone coverage. The shorter amount of time that QB's have to make decisions.

6. We dont have enough designed hand offs in this offense. Thats just dumb.

7. Where are the screens and quick passes? It's fine to want to throw deep- but you better do some things to get rid of the ball quick and keep the DL guys off your QB. We dont do that.

8. No excuse in not calling a time-out on the Bama fumble. No excuse on the delay of game penalties- we dont huddle. We are taking too long to get the play called and then checking with the coach to see if its ok to run it. It's ridiculous. We just simply dont look well-coached on the offensive side of the ball. It makes the QB look bad as he always gets too much blame or too much credit. It makes it all look bad. It doesnt matter who recruits- the things we are doing are not going to be successful vs good SEC defenses. We wont bring in elite offensive talent to Sville in recruiting.

9. Shoop has done a great job on D- and we lose a ton of talent. While we will still have some good players on D next year- we lose our insane depth this year. The D will take a step back next year obviously but should be solid.

10. Highly unlikely we make a change after the season- but this will be the best team Moorhead coaches at Miss State. And he blew it. The OM game next year likely decides if we end up bowl eligible. Gonna be a long 3-4 years

You?re an idiot. Post less.

[HoopsDawg]

You?re an idiot. Post less.

He pinpointed all of our problems in one post and that's your response? Pitiful.

[msstate7]

He pinpointed all of our problems in one post and that's your response? Pitiful.

Pointing out the obvious really irks many on this board. I get it... we all want joe to succeed so we're hoping for the best, but this offense is really concerning.

[Matt3467]

When was the last time we, or anybody, signed a Mississippi QB that could read a defense?

East Carolina, 2 years ago. Gardner Minshew.

[Tbonewannabe]

So this offense has worked against Big Ten defenses but doesn't work against SEC defenses? The offense has looked good against Auburn and A&M so those are the outliers?

[deadheaddawg]

1. This is our worst offense since the worst offensive coach in modern SEC history walked our sidelines. We in no way, shape, or form employ an "offensive genius". He has turned a veteran offense that averaged around 27 PPG in SEC games last season into an embarrassing, impotent, and confused group of players. You simply cannot defend anything at this point about our offense. It was the same with Croom- too many reads for the people he had on campus and the defenses he faced. Croom never adapted- I dont expect this guy to either.

2. If you get nothing out of this post today- please learn one thing: Nick Fitzgerald DID NOT MISS SPRING PRACTICE. He practiced every day of Spring Practice. He got reps during individual time and 7 on 7. He worked on this offense and its reads. What he did not do was get live team reps. They all went to KT and the walk-ons.

3. As a few on here have stated but many can't seem to grasp- the problem with our offense is confusion. The QB has too many reads. The WR's have too many reads. The OL stays confused. This offense is not going to work vs good SEC defenses because of all the pressure and man coverage- it doesnt matter who the QB is. We're trying hard to recruit Bryant from Clemson for next season- but that still isnt going to make us better against good defenses.

4. Fitz holds the ball too long because he simply isnt being coached up on where to go with it. A well-coached QB knows where to go with the ball when he gets a look. Not every pass is a 3-4 read process. We arent protecting well at times and his decision time is short. Way too many reads going on offense. When Fitz does hit the targets- they drop it. Yesterday's 3 drops kept Fitz from completing 70% of his passes. It cost us a couple of first downs

5. JoMo takes pride in not changing offensive personnel. He is learning this year in Big Boy ball that your ass better get some TE's in the game on 3rd and 1 vs the Bama's and LSU's of the world. He just runs a simple Zone Read and Bama runs 2 of the backside- DE chases down the TB and the OLB took Fitz. JoMo is learning the hard way about the speed of SEC DL's and Safeties. The lack of soft zone coverage. The shorter amount of time that QB's have to make decisions.

6. We dont have enough designed hand offs in this offense. Thats just dumb.

7. Where are the screens and quick passes? It's fine to want to throw deep- but you better do some things to get rid of the ball quick and keep the DL guys off your QB. We dont do that.

8. No excuse in not calling a time-out on the Bama fumble. No excuse on the delay of game penalties- we dont huddle. We are taking too long to get the play called and then checking with the coach to see if its ok to run it. It's ridiculous. We just simply dont look well-coached on the offensive side of the ball. It makes the QB look bad as he always gets too much blame or too much credit. It makes it all look bad. It doesnt matter who recruits- the things we are doing are not going to be successful vs good SEC defenses. We wont bring in elite offensive talent to Sville in recruiting.

9. Shoop has done a great job on D- and we lose a ton of talent. While we will still have some good players on D next year- we lose our insane depth this year. The D will take a step back next year obviously but should be solid.

10. Highly unlikely we make a change after the season- but this will be the best team Moorhead coaches at Miss State. And he blew it. The OM game next year likely decides if we end up bowl eligible. Gonna be a long 3-4 years

OMG you are so cute. My 8 year old son is just now learning football too. You remind me of him.

I hope you keep being a fan. When you get older and have a few more years of experience with football I think you will like it ..

[HoopsDawg]

It's almost like Fitz has more reads than an NFL QB. Then on top of that, we have to check with the sideline, and motion a back with 5 seconds on the play clock.

Watching the rams right now and their simplicity is what makes them so great.

[Turfdawg67]

BTW, what happened to the Denver Airport director (can't remember user name)? Also why does spiderman post less now and Clint Eastwood rarely post?

Hey, at least we still have cowpower, uberbravesfan7 and preacher********

Board is dead.

Yes, I know that I don't post much, just an observation.

Yep. Board is dead. You have a handful of people that repeat themselves over and over and over. One guy has over 46000 posts and has zero to say but yet he's every thread. I barely come to this site anymore.

[Bully13]

Doom and gloom. Spread panic and piss the masses off.

[HoopsDawg]

So this offense has worked against Big Ten defenses but doesn't work against SEC defenses? The offense has looked good against Auburn and A&M so those are the outliers?

Crooms offense worked in the NFL with Barry Sanders.

JoeMo has coached at Fordham and 2 years in the Big 10 with Saquon Barkley.

[msstate7]

Yep. Board is dead. You have a handful of people that repeat themselves over and over and over. One guy has over 46000 posts and has zero to say but yet he's every thread. I barely come to this site anymore.

That's a lie. You're here daily to follow me. I have my own little shadow. It's so cute

[gravedigger]

1. This is our worst offense since the worst offensive coach in modern SEC history walked our sidelines. We in no way, shape, or form employ an "offensive genius". He has turned a veteran offense that averaged around 27 PPG in SEC games last season into an embarrassing, impotent, and confused group of players. You simply cannot defend anything at this point about our offense. It was the same with Croom- too many reads for the people he had on campus and the defenses he faced. Croom never adapted- I dont expect this guy to either.

2. If you get nothing out of this post today- please learn one thing: Nick Fitzgerald DID NOT MISS SPRING PRACTICE. He practiced every day of Spring Practice. He got reps during individual time and 7 on 7. He worked on this offense and its reads. What he did not do was get live team reps. They all went to KT and the walk-ons.

3. As a few on here have stated but many can't seem to grasp- the problem with our offense is confusion. The QB has too many reads. The WR's have too many reads. The OL stays confused. This offense is not going to work vs good SEC defenses because of all the pressure and man coverage- it doesnt matter who the QB is. We're trying hard to recruit Bryant from Clemson for next season- but that still isnt going to make us better against good defenses.

4. Fitz holds the ball too long because he simply isnt being coached up on where to go with it. A well-coached QB knows where to go with the ball when he gets a look. Not every pass is a 3-4 read process. We arent protecting well at times and his decision time is short. Way too many reads going on offense. When Fitz does hit the targets- they drop it. Yesterday's 3 drops kept Fitz from completing 70% of his passes. It cost us a couple of first downs

5. JoMo takes pride in not changing offensive personnel. He is learning this year in Big Boy ball that your ass better get some TE's in the game on 3rd and 1 vs the Bama's and LSU's of the world. He just runs a simple Zone Read and Bama runs 2 of the backside- DE chases down the TB and the OLB took Fitz. JoMo is learning the hard way about the speed of SEC DL's and Safeties. The lack of soft zone coverage. The shorter amount of time that QB's have to make decisions.

6. We dont have enough designed hand offs in this offense. Thats just dumb.

7. Where are the screens and quick passes? It's fine to want to throw deep- but you better do some things to get rid of the ball quick and keep the DL guys off your QB. We dont do that.

8. No excuse in not calling a time-out on the Bama fumble. No excuse on the delay of game penalties- we dont huddle. We are taking too long to get the play called and then checking with the coach to see if its ok to run it. It's ridiculous. We just simply dont look well-coached on the offensive side of the ball. It makes the QB look bad as he always gets too much blame or too much credit. It makes it all look bad. It doesnt matter who recruits- the things we are doing are not going to be successful vs good SEC defenses. We wont bring in elite offensive talent to Sville in recruiting.

9. Shoop has done a great job on D- and we lose a ton of talent. While we will still have some good players on D next year- we lose our insane depth this year. The D will take a step back next year obviously but should be solid.

10. Highly unlikely we make a change after the season- but this will be the best team Moorhead coaches at Miss State. And he blew it. The OM game next year likely decides if we end up bowl eligible. Gonna be a long 3-4 years

I did get something out of your post. You are taking the same stance that many are. I?m a bit surprised a coach who has been in a similar position would fall for such a typical myopic fan argument but congratulations.

Croom part 2. Nice appeal to emotion. So let me try:

1. Nanny nanny boo boo stick your face in doo doo

2. I know you are but what am I

3 I?m rubber you are glue; bounces off me, sticks to you

4. My daddy can beat up your daddy

5. Up your nose with a rubber hose.

Signed,
Epstein?s mother

[HoopsDawg]

I did get something out of your post. You are taking the same stance that many are. I?m a bit surprised a coach who has been in a similar position would fall for such a typical myopic fan argument but congratulations.

Croom part 2. Nice appeal to emotion. So let me try:

1. Nanny nanny boo boo stick your face in doo doo

2. I know you are but what am I

3 I?m rubber you are glue; bounces off me, sticks to you

4. My daddy can beat up your daddy

5. Up your nose with a rubber hose.

Signed,
Epstein?s mother

What's wrong with you? Refute his points or Just don't post.

[maroonmania]

Crooms offense worked in the NFL with Barry Sanders.

JoeMo has coached at Fordham and 2 years in the Big 10 with Saquon Barkley.

Well he also was the OC that got UConn to the freaking Fiesta Bowl prior to becoming HC at Fordham. Yes, that UConn. I have no idea if JoMo's offense will ever work in the SEC or not but it has pretty much worked at every other place he's ever coached. I would like to get Shrader in here and see how it works with him before we just stick a fork in the JoMo offensive system. Fitz is an athlete playing the QB position. Would like to see how things work with an actual QB playing our QB position and some WRs that don't have stone hands. If it doesn't work with Shrader then I'm ready to cut bait because he was hand picked by Moorhead to run his offense.

[Dawgfan77]

So this offense has worked against Big Ten defenses but doesn't work against SEC defenses? The offense has looked good against Auburn and A&M so those are the outliers?
I?m tired of reading this. The offense didn?t look that good it looked better cause our bad ass d kept the other team out of the endzone
What coach said is correct. It was a bad fit and a bad hire I wish joe nothin but the best I just wish he was somewhere else

[Tbonewannabe]

I?m tired of reading this. The offense didn?t look that good it looked better cause our bad ass d kept the other team out of the endzone
What coach said is correct. It was a bad fit and a bad hire I wish joe nothin but the best I just wish he was somewhere else

You don't run for 349 yards against Auburn just because we have a good defense. We also put up good yards against a good A&M defense who was #1 in the country against the run at the time. I am not happy with the offense but we are giving Moorhead another year barring something crazy.

[FriarsPoint]

Well he also was the OC that got UConn to the freaking Fiesta Bowl prior to becoming HC at Fordham. Yes, that UConn. I have no idea if JoMo's offense will ever work in the SEC or not but it has pretty much worked at every other place he's ever coached. I would like to get Shrader in here and see how it works with him before we just stick a fork in the JoMo offensive system. Fitz is an athlete playing the QB position. Would like to see how things work with an actual QB playing our QB position and some WRs that don't have stone hands. If it doesn't work with Shrader then I'm ready to cut bait because he was hand picked by Moorhead to run his offense.

It worked in other places because nowhere else has the caliber of defensive talent the SEC has. Nowhere.

[gravedigger]

What's wrong with you? Refute his points or Just don't post.

Not at all surprised you don?t understand what an appeal to emotion is.

[BeardoMSU]

Board is dead because the majority of the Mods went full retard and didn?t know how to get the sand out of their vag*nas back in the spring. They are still fighting the sandy Vags and flashing their PC Police badges daily around here. It?s pretty absurd and unbearable. The board went full on prekindergarten around April/May 2018.

Things don't become true just because you say them over and over again...

[dawgday166]

Well he also was the OC that got UConn to the freaking Fiesta Bowl prior to becoming HC at Fordham. Yes, that UConn. I have no idea if JoMo's offense will ever work in the SEC or not but it has pretty much worked at every other place he's ever coached. I would like to get Shrader in here and see how it works with him before we just stick a fork in the JoMo offensive system. Fitz is an athlete playing the QB position. Would like to see how things work with an actual QB playing our QB position and some WRs that don't have stone hands. If it doesn't work with Shrader then I'm ready to cut bait because he was hand picked by Moorhead to run his offense.

I'm wanting this to be so, I really, really do. And I'm willing to wait and see if that is so. But I do have some questions I just now thought of:

1) Are we gonna be able to get a "hand picked by JoMo" QB every year ... every other year?
2) How many "actual" QBs are out there each year that we can choose from?
3) How many can we recruit to Starkville?
4) On years we don't or aren't able to get a "actual" QB, or the QB that is hand-picked doesn't work out, what happens then?
5) Seems like #4 above is a somewhat high probability at MSU, wouldn't you say? I mean, do you think Saban will be able to get another Tua every other year at Bama?
6) Fitz is better than most of the rest of QBs, so do we just go 0, 0, 0 ,0 ,0, 0, etc. in SEC play when we don't have an "actual" QB? Wasn't KT sort of an "actual" QB in HS? His passing numbers were damn high I believe.
7) Does anyone think it is probable Joe will adapt to his personnel when he doesn't have his "hand-picked, true" QB?

ETA: Seems like this is college, not the pros where you can trade for a Drew Brees. (And if you can't swing that you bolt to Bama where you can make all the rules ... including the NCAA rules) ***

[HoopsDawg]

Well he also was the OC that got UConn to the freaking Fiesta Bowl prior to becoming HC at Fordham. Yes, that UConn. I have no idea if JoMo's offense will ever work in the SEC or not but it has pretty much worked at every other place he's ever coached. I would like to get Shrader in here and see how it works with him before we just stick a fork in the JoMo offensive system. Fitz is an athlete playing the QB position. Would like to see how things work with an actual QB playing our QB position and some WRs that don't have stone hands. If it doesn't work with Shrader then I'm ready to cut bait because he was hand picked by Moorhead to run his offense.

Schrader won't be ready to play for at least 2 years.

[dawgday166]

NM

[bulldawg28]

It's almost like Fitz has more reads than an NFL QB. Then on top of that, we have to check with the sideline, and motion a back with 5 seconds on the play clock.

Watching the rams right now and their simplicity is what makes them so great.

Fitz just can't read a defense

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

1. This is our worst offense since the worst offensive coach in modern SEC history walked our sidelines. We in no way, shape, or form employ an "offensive genius". He has turned a veteran offense that averaged around 27 PPG in SEC games last season into an embarrassing, impotent, and confused group of players. You simply cannot defend anything at this point about our offense. It was the same with Croom- too many reads for the people he had on campus and the defenses he faced. Croom never adapted- I dont expect this guy to either.

2. If you get nothing out of this post today- please learn one thing: Nick Fitzgerald DID NOT MISS SPRING PRACTICE. He practiced every day of Spring Practice. He got reps during individual time and 7 on 7. He worked on this offense and its reads. What he did not do was get live team reps. They all went to KT and the walk-ons.

3. As a few on here have stated but many can't seem to grasp- the problem with our offense is confusion. The QB has too many reads. The WR's have too many reads. The OL stays confused. This offense is not going to work vs good SEC defenses because of all the pressure and man coverage- it doesnt matter who the QB is. We're trying hard to recruit Bryant from Clemson for next season- but that still isnt going to make us better against good defenses.

4. Fitz holds the ball too long because he simply isnt being coached up on where to go with it. A well-coached QB knows where to go with the ball when he gets a look. Not every pass is a 3-4 read process. We arent protecting well at times and his decision time is short. Way too many reads going on offense. When Fitz does hit the targets- they drop it. Yesterday's 3 drops kept Fitz from completing 70% of his passes. It cost us a couple of first downs

5. JoMo takes pride in not changing offensive personnel. He is learning this year in Big Boy ball that your ass better get some TE's in the game on 3rd and 1 vs the Bama's and LSU's of the world. He just runs a simple Zone Read and Bama runs 2 of the backside- DE chases down the TB and the OLB took Fitz. JoMo is learning the hard way about the speed of SEC DL's and Safeties. The lack of soft zone coverage. The shorter amount of time that QB's have to make decisions.

6. We dont have enough designed hand offs in this offense. Thats just dumb.

7. Where are the screens and quick passes? It's fine to want to throw deep- but you better do some things to get rid of the ball quick and keep the DL guys off your QB. We dont do that.

8. No excuse in not calling a time-out on the Bama fumble. No excuse on the delay of game penalties- we dont huddle. We are taking too long to get the play called and then checking with the coach to see if its ok to run it. It's ridiculous. We just simply dont look well-coached on the offensive side of the ball. It makes the QB look bad as he always gets too much blame or too much credit. It makes it all look bad. It doesnt matter who recruits- the things we are doing are not going to be successful vs good SEC defenses. We wont bring in elite offensive talent to Sville in recruiting.

9. Shoop has done a great job on D- and we lose a ton of talent. While we will still have some good players on D next year- we lose our insane depth this year. The D will take a step back next year obviously but should be solid.

10. Highly unlikely we make a change after the season- but this will be the best team Moorhead coaches at Miss State. And he blew it. The OM game next year likely decides if we end up bowl eligible. Gonna be a long 3-4 years

Highly unlikely to make a change? Making a change would be the most detrimental thing that the football program has literally ever done.

Picture from an outsider's perspective... 2 time offensive coordinator of the year comes to historically bad MSU and gets fired year 1 after going 8-4 (assuming we beat ark and ole miss) and finishing 3rd in the SEC west. You might be the coach next year, because NO ONE else would come here.

The offense at this point obviously isn't as good as people hoped, but there is a possibility we can turn it around. We show some signs of life at times at least, Croom offenses ALWAYS looked bad, even against inferior opponents. That is not the case with Moorhead. I also recall you being one the biggest cheerleaders for the new RPO we were installing in the preseaon so please dont act like you saw this coming from a mile away.

[Cooterpoot]

I’m not to the point of giving up on Jo. But if he loses either games left I’ll be there. 34 is mostly correct.

[NCDawg]

Schrader won't be ready to play for at least 2 years.

When we signed Thompson, I heard all the hype about great he was going to be. How LSU wanted him but we got him. Now, some report that he is not ready to play and may not ever be ready. Same with Mayden, who reportedly is a long way from being ready.

[Bothrops]

Highly unlikely to make a change? Making a change would be the most detrimental thing that the football program has literally ever done.

Picture from an outsider's perspective... 2 time offensive coordinator of the year comes to historically bad MSU and gets fired year 1 after going 8-4 (assuming we beat ark and ole miss) and finishing 3rd in the SEC west. You might be the coach next year, because NO ONE else would come here.

The offense at this point obviously isn't as good as people hoped, but there is a possibility we can turn it around. We show some signs of life at times at least, Croom offenses ALWAYS looked bad, even against inferior opponents. That is not the case with Moorhead. I also recall you being one the biggest cheerleaders for the new RPO we were installing in the preseaon so please dont act like you saw this coming from a mile away.

Good post. It's like people around here think Mullen would have won yesterday or something. May as well done this thread after the LaTech game.

[BeardoMSU]

May as well done this thread after the LaTech game.

It was conveniently absent after the Auburn and A&M wins as well....
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[NCDawg]

It's almost like Fitz has more reads than an NFL QB. Then on top of that, we have to check with the sideline, and motion a back with 5 seconds on the play clock.

Watching the rams right now and their simplicity is what makes them so great.

Agreed, and then sometimes they get so confused that the center snaps the ball when Fitz isn't ready or even looking for the ball.

[bluelightstar]

When we signed Thompson, I heard all the hype about great he was going to be. How LSU wanted him but we got him. Now, some report that he is not ready to play and may not ever be ready. Same with Mayden, who reportedly is a long way from being ready.

Seriously, KT was the #5 dual threat out of HS behind Tua, Tate Martell, Kellen Mond, and Sam Ehlinger and was a high 4-star prospect. And he was an actual QB in a tough high school division, passing for 4000 yards his senior year (and rushing for 1400). He had offers from LSU, Texas Tech (and they know something about QB play), West Virginia, and UF. Mayden was also a highly touted QB prospect, although not as heavily recruited as Key. If Joe can't get anything out of either one, we may just have a bad coach.

Our fans have let Fitz stink up the joint for 3 years in the passing game, but want to throw all of our QBs out with the bathwater when they've not even had a shot.

[HoopsDawg]

Seriously, KT was the #5 dual threat out of HS behind Tua, Tate Martell, Kellen Mond, and Sam Ehlinger and was a high 4-star prospect. And he was an actual QB in a tough high school division, passing for 4000 yards his senior year (and rushing for 1400). He had offers from LSU, Texas Tech (and they know something about QB play), West Virginia, and UF. Mayden was also a highly touted QB prospect, although not as heavily recruited as Key. If Joe can't get anything out of either one, we may just have a bad coach.

Our fans have let Fitz stink up the joint for 3 years in the passing game, but want to throw all of our QBs out with the bathwater when they've not even had a shot.

I really hate that Joe couldn't figure out a way to redshirt KT this year.

[dawgoneyall]

BTW...get your butt back on this board more. to hell with whoever.

PS....posted this before I read the rest of this thread.

[Coach34]

Seriously, KT was the #5 dual threat out of HS behind Tua, Tate Martell, Kellen Mond, and Sam Ehlinger and was a high 4-star prospect. And he was an actual QB in a tough high school division, passing for 4000 yards his senior year (and rushing for 1400). He had offers from LSU, Texas Tech (and they know something about QB play), West Virginia, and UF. Mayden was also a highly touted QB prospect, although not as heavily recruited as Key. If Joe can't get anything out of either one, we may just have a bad coach.

Our fans have let Fitz stink up the joint for 3 years in the passing game, but want to throw all of our QBs out with the bathwater when they've not even had a shot.

Yet- why are we recruiting Bryant from Clemson and promising him the starting job?

With what we had returning- why are we the worst offense in the SEC this year in SEC games? Blaming Fitz shows you are football illiterate. People are getting excited because we scored in the 20's vs Auburn and A&M- seriously?

[bluelightstar]

Yet- why are we recruiting Bryant from Clemson and promising him the starting job?

With what we had returning- why are we the worst offense in the SEC this year in SEC games? Blaming Fitz shows you are football illiterate. People are getting excited because we scored in the 20's vs Auburn and A&M- seriously?

Maybe reread my post, which places blame on Moorhead if he can't make his offense work with any of these QBs...?

[maroonmania]

I'm wanting this to be so, I really, really do. And I'm willing to wait and see if that is so.

Cohen has already made the hire so do we really have another choice at this point? No way Moorhead doesn't get at least 4 years given we are likely to be 8-4 this year, 7-5 at the worst.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Yet- why are we recruiting Bryant from Clemson and promising him the starting job?

With what we had returning- why are we the worst offense in the SEC this year in SEC games? Blaming Fitz shows you are football illiterate. People are getting excited because we scored in the 20's vs Auburn and A&M- seriously?

Couple questions for you:
If Fitz has so many reads, why didn't he fling it on the flea flicker? It's one read and he still held it. also, why can't Fitz see a blitz right in front of him? Moorhead mind ****ing him then too?

Where have you been and why show up now? Haven't seen any write-ups from you after any of our wins, or did I miss those?

When will you have your new board up and running? I'm looking forward to it, as I imagine it will clean this one up and the trolling will end here (as your minions will sure follow and jerk you off there thinking it makes them important). I'm looking forward to it, as it's apparent since your pyramid scheme you only show your face here when your trolling.

[DancingRabbit]

Highly unlikely to make a change? Making a change would be the most detrimental thing that the football program has literally ever done.

Picture from an outsider's perspective... 2 time offensive coordinator of the year comes to historically bad MSU and gets fired year 1 after going 8-4 (assuming we beat ark and ole miss) and finishing 3rd in the SEC west. You might be the coach next year, because NO ONE else would come here.

The offense at this point obviously isn't as good as people hoped, but there is a possibility we can turn it around. We show some signs of life at times at least, Croom offenses ALWAYS looked bad, even against inferior opponents. That is not the case with Moorhead. I also recall you being one the biggest cheerleaders for the new RPO we were installing in the preseaon so please dont act like you saw this coming from a mile away.

It's bizarro world with some folks acting like they want a do-over on the hire. He's here and he's going to be here a while barring something unforeseen. And yes, C34 called it an awesome hire from day 1.

[DownwardDawg]

When we signed Thompson, I heard all the hype about great he was going to be. How LSU wanted him but we got him. Now, some report that he is not ready to play and may not ever be ready. Same with Mayden, who reportedly is a long way from being ready.

I hope Key turns out to be great, but all that hype was based on Mullins offense. He's a real good fit for that. Maybe he will do well in JoMo offense.

[DownwardDawg]

Couple questions for you:
If Fitz has so many reads, why didn't he fling it on the flea flicker? It's one read and he still held it. also, why can't Fitz see a blitz right in front of him? Moorhead mind ****ing him then too?

Where have you been and why show up now? Haven't seen any write-ups from you after any of our wins, or did I miss those?

When will you have your new board up and running? I'm looking forward to it, as I imagine it will clean this one up and the trolling will end here (as your minions will sure follow and jerk you off there thinking it makes them important). I'm looking forward to it, as it's apparent since your pyramid scheme you only show your face here when your trolling.

It would be awesome if he started a new board. (awesome here on this board). And not that I have anything against C34, I just hate all the crying over here now that goes on all day, everyday of the week. they would all leave.

[chef dixon]

Seriously, KT was the #5 dual threat out of HS behind Tua, Tate Martell, Kellen Mond, and Sam Ehlinger and was a high 4-star prospect. And he was an actual QB in a tough high school division, passing for 4000 yards his senior year (and rushing for 1400). He had offers from LSU, Texas Tech (and they know something about QB play), West Virginia, and UF. Mayden was also a highly touted QB prospect, although not as heavily recruited as Key. If Joe can't get anything out of either one, we may just have a bad coach.

Our fans have let Fitz stink up the joint for 3 years in the passing game, but want to throw all of our QBs out with the bathwater when they've not even had a shot.

Exactly. And all the while watching some of the shittiest QB and offensive performances on record.

[Coach34]

Couple questions for you:
If Fitz has so many reads, why didn't he fling it on the flea flicker? It's one read and he still held it. also, why can't Fitz see a blitz right in front of him? Moorhead mind ****ing him then too? He didnt have the 1 read on the flea-flicker. As I argued with Ari and ISeenIt yesterday- you can see Fitz looking down the middle of the field on his initial read when the Bama Safety was sitting on the hashmark. Then you see Fitz's facemask turn to the right looking for the throw to the right. Safety then bails right. Protection break down- sack.

Where have you been and why show up now? Haven't seen any write-ups from you after any of our wins, or did I miss those?

We are 11-1 this season and playing for a state title- so my offtime is spent watching a shit ton of film this year.

When will you have your new board up and running? I'm looking forward to it, as I imagine it will clean this one up and the trolling will end here (as your minions will sure follow and jerk you off there thinking it makes them important). I'm looking forward to it, as it's apparent since your pyramid scheme you only show your face here when your trolling.

I am not going to start my own board at this time. I told the investors I simply didnt have the time to put into starting a new board, And they dont want to invest in it without a full-time Coach34. I thank you for your support and concern.

[ShotgunDawg]

Yet- why are we recruiting Bryant from Clemson and promising him the starting job?

With what we had returning- why are we the worst offense in the SEC this year in SEC games? Blaming Fitz shows you are football illiterate. People are getting excited because we scored in the 20's vs Auburn and A&M- seriously?

Great thoughts coach. Thanks for thoughts, but I have few questions:

1. Do you not think the offense works and is there a chance it gets better in year 2 with more experience in it?

2. What do you propose we do differently? Mullen mostly couldn't score against LSU and Bama either, and his offense, and apparently the lack of complexity of it, also limited us. If JoMo's offense is too complex, then what should/can MSU do to take the next step?

[NCDawg]

Cohen has already made the hire so do we really have another choice at this point? No way Moorhead doesn't get at least 4 years given we are likely to be 8-4 this year, 7-5 at the worst.

Suppose, just supposing, that we end up 6-6, which I don't think will happen but could. Do we still give Moorhead 4 years?

[maroonmania]

Suppose, just supposing, that we end up 6-6, which I don't think will happen but could. Do we still give Moorhead 4 years?

If we go 6-6 with this team then no, 4 years is in no way guaranteed. I do think he will get at least 3 years no matter what. Expectations will not be very high next year anyway.

[Gutter Cobreh]

He didnt have the 1 read on the flea-flicker. As I argued with Ari and ISeenIt yesterday- you can see Fitz looking down the middle of the field on his initial read when the Bama Safety was sitting on the hashmark. Then you see Fitz's facemask turn to the right looking for the throw to the right. Safety then bails right. Protection break down- sack.

Where have you been and why show up now? Haven't seen any write-ups from you after any of our wins, or did I miss those?

We are 11-1 this season and playing for a state title- so my offtime is spent watching a shit ton of film this year. I am not going to start my own board at this time. I told the investors I simply didnt have the time to put into starting a new board, And they dont want to invest in it without a full-time Coach34. I thank you for your support and concern.

So in your infinite wisdom, how long does a QB have to throw on a flea flicker? Fitz had time to make the throw. As we've seen all year, if he doesn't have all day - he gets antsy and tucks and tries to run. He did make some good throws and has done better the last few weeks. Playing behind the chains and drops hurt us this game.

Aside from your message board persona (which I don't care for), Congrats on your season! Hope you win it all.

[Tbonewannabe]

Great thoughts coach. Thanks for thoughts, but I have few questions:

1. Do you not think the offense works and is there a chance it gets better in year 2 with more experience in it?

2. What do you propose we do differently? Mullen mostly couldn't score against LSU and Bama either, and his offense, and apparently the lack of complexity of it, also limited us. If JoMo's offense is too complex, then what should/can MSU do to take the next step?

Other than last year and 2014, we almost never scored more than 7 against Bama.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

You?re an idiot. Post less.

If you think he's wrong, explain why. Give us a counterpoint. Lay out the erroneous parts in his post. If you are going to call someone an idiot, please explain.

[Bubb Rubb]

Other than last year and 2014, we almost never scored more than 7 against Bama.

The issue with me is not that we didn't or couldn't score against Bama. It's that we aren't giving ourselves our best chance to have success. We aren't putting our players in a position to be successful. We keep shooting ourselves in the foot.

The Bama game is a further manifestation of the KY and FL games....games we pissed away over some nonsense that we haven't learned from or adjusted from.

Our defense is so good and deserves so much better....and we do have a shit-ton of solid talent on offense. We're more talented offensively than we were last year. I don't understand why this is controversial to some of the folks here.

I don't always agree with C34 but he is right about this....Moorhead will never have a roster as good as this one, and if he coached this one to 8-4 (which is still a question), I shudder to think about what next year will look like.

[Really Clark?]

Other than last year and 2014, we almost never scored more than 7 against Bama.

We returned over 80% of our offensive starters from last year and 90% of our scoring and we go from 20 points to 0. I agree we normally don’t score a lot and technically we scored yesterday. It’s also about half the yards from last years game. It’s 4 games 260 yards or lower (280 was the lowest last year and the only time we went below 330 yards last season). It’s the 2 game below 100 yards this season and 4th below 150 when our rushing personnel is even better this year and our lowest last year was 172 yards rushing vs Bama

[coachnorm]

1. This is our worst offense since the worst offensive coach in modern SEC history walked our sidelines. We in no way, shape, or form employ an "offensive genius". He has turned a veteran offense that averaged around 27 PPG in SEC games last season into an embarrassing, impotent, and confused group of players. You simply cannot defend anything at this point about our offense. It was the same with Croom- too many reads for the people he had on campus and the defenses he faced. Croom never adapted- I dont expect this guy to either.

2. If you get nothing out of this post today- please learn one thing: Nick Fitzgerald DID NOT MISS SPRING PRACTICE. He practiced every day of Spring Practice. He got reps during individual time and 7 on 7. He worked on this offense and its reads. What he did not do was get live team reps. They all went to KT and the walk-ons.

3. As a few on here have stated but many can't seem to grasp- the problem with our offense is confusion. The QB has too many reads. The WR's have too many reads. The OL stays confused. This offense is not going to work vs good SEC defenses because of all the pressure and man coverage- it doesnt matter who the QB is. We're trying hard to recruit Bryant from Clemson for next season- but that still isnt going to make us better against good defenses.

4. Fitz holds the ball too long because he simply isnt being coached up on where to go with it. A well-coached QB knows where to go with the ball when he gets a look. Not every pass is a 3-4 read process. We arent protecting well at times and his decision time is short. Way too many reads going on offense. When Fitz does hit the targets- they drop it. Yesterday's 3 drops kept Fitz from completing 70% of his passes. It cost us a couple of first downs

5. JoMo takes pride in not changing offensive personnel. He is learning this year in Big Boy ball that your ass better get some TE's in the game on 3rd and 1 vs the Bama's and LSU's of the world. He just runs a simple Zone Read and Bama runs 2 of the backside- DE chases down the TB and the OLB took Fitz. JoMo is learning the hard way about the speed of SEC DL's and Safeties. The lack of soft zone coverage. The shorter amount of time that QB's have to make decisions.

6. We dont have enough designed hand offs in this offense. Thats just dumb.

7. Where are the screens and quick passes? It's fine to want to throw deep- but you better do some things to get rid of the ball quick and keep the DL guys off your QB. We dont do that.

8. No excuse in not calling a time-out on the Bama fumble. No excuse on the delay of game penalties- we dont huddle. We are taking too long to get the play called and then checking with the coach to see if its ok to run it. It's ridiculous. We just simply dont look well-coached on the offensive side of the ball. It makes the QB look bad as he always gets too much blame or too much credit. It makes it all look bad. It doesnt matter who recruits- the things we are doing are not going to be successful vs good SEC defenses. We wont bring in elite offensive talent to Sville in recruiting.

9. Shoop has done a great job on D- and we lose a ton of talent. While we will still have some good players on D next year- we lose our insane depth this year. The D will take a step back next year obviously but should be solid.

10. Highly unlikely we make a change after the season- but this will be the best team Moorhead coaches at Miss State. And he blew it. The OM game next year likely decides if we end up bowl eligible. Gonna be a long 3-4 years

Something else to support coach34. I have seen defenses discover that plays are getting to the QB late and the play clock is expiring. When the defense discovers this, backers will communicate information to the defensive linemen in some kind of code. When the defensive linemen are tipped off their quick twitch responses are set to fly off the ball and almost get the effect of a running start on the blocker. A backer can live high on the hog with this information on a blitz call. Defenses sometimes late align knowing that the press box coaches are looking, this delays information and sending it to the play caller. This also causes stress on the players who get a call with an expiring play clock. How much time is left for the players to function with the expiring play clock?

[Tbonewannabe]

We returned over 80% of our offensive starters from last year and 90% of our scoring and we go from 20 points to 0. I agree we normally don?t score a lot and technically we scored yesterday. It?s also about half the yards from last years game. It?s 4 games 260 yards or lower (280 was the lowest last year and the only time we went below 330 yards last season). It?s the 2 game below 100 yards this season and 4th below 150 when our rushing personnel is even better this year and our lowest last year was 172 yards rushing vs Bama

We also played at home and Bama last year was on their 3rd string LBs. Bama's defense is clicking on all cylinders right now. I am not saying I am not disappointed in the offense but I am not ready to fire Moorhead yet.

[msstate7]

We also played at home and Bama last year was on their 3rd string LBs. Bama's defense is clicking on all cylinders right now. I am not saying I am not disappointed in the offense but I am not ready to fire Moorhead yet.
Moorhead isn't getting fired this season. I'm not a Moorhead guy at all, but I even think he should get next season. I do know if I had the luxury of knowing how this season would play out at the time of the hire, I wouldn't do it. Would you?

[cheewgumm]

Agree would not given what we know now.

That we?ve wasted a great D and 2 stud RBs... I?ll never get over.

[Tbonewannabe]

Moorhead isn't getting fired this season. I'm not a Moorhead guy at all, but I even think he should get next season. I do know if I had the luxury of knowing how this season would play out at the time of the hire, I wouldn't do it. Would you?

I am not sure who the other candidates were. If Pruitt has a choice then he goes to UT. Moorhead had the best resume of the options I heard. If someone said he was a bad hire in December then I would like to see it. Everyone on this message board was excited to get him. If you figure out how to change those decisions, I will split my earnings from Apple and Amazon stock with you because you can only use so many billions.

[PMDawg]

You?re an idiot. Post less.

Boo! Boo this man! I hate C34, but he crushed this one.

[Bubb Rubb]

I am not sure who the other candidates were. If Pruitt has a choice then he goes to UT. Moorhead had the best resume of the options I heard. If someone said he was a bad hire in December then I would like to see it. Everyone on this message board was excited to get him. If you figure out how to change those decisions, I will split my earnings from Apple and Amazon stock with you because you can only use so many billions.

I sure thought it was a great hire. I was all-in on it. That's why I take no pleasure in being critical now. I would much rather see him successful because I think his personality is the kind we need here. I just think this offense and his overall offensive philosophy isn't right for who we are and what our personnel is.

[TimberBeast]

Yep. Board is dead. You have a handful of people that repeat themselves over and over and over. One guy has over 46000 posts and has zero to say but yet he's every thread. I barely come to this site anymore.

Yep same here, I look on Saturdays now for the most part. Only thing valuable here are the weather threads.

[Tbonewannabe]

I sure thought it was a great hire. I was all-in on it. That's why I take no pleasure in being critical now. I would much rather see him successful because I think his personality is the kind we need here. I just think this offense and his overall offensive philosophy isn't right for who we are and what our personnel is.

So we just need more of a option style offense where the QB rarely throws? I am not sold on JoeMo offense yet but I am waiting to see what he can do with a passing QB.

[99jc]

C34 you were too nice. Hardhead has shit for brains and has shit for brains supporters whose shoe size is greater than their IQ.

[BuckyIsAB****]

When was the last time we, or anybody, signed a Mississippi QB that could read a defense?

Uhhh Gardner Minshew??

[Bubb Rubb]

So we just need more of a option style offense where the QB rarely throws? I am not sold on JoeMo offense yet but I am waiting to see what he can do with a passing QB.

No, I think we just need to have a more traditional style of calling specific plays in a balanced attack. Passing plays have hot routes and secondary routes if the hot route is covered. Running plays can be designed runs or read/option runs like we did last year. I think we'd be more successful in that style of offense than in the current one where the QB has to read the defense, and the WRs have to read the defense, and they both have to read the same way, and the QB has to be given time for all of this to materialize against SEC defensive lines.

Anyone who has played football before understands this....it's a lot easier to play downhill and attack than it is to have to read/react. The latter can be useful when you have the perfect personnel to run it, but the former is much more effective with the physically dominating type of talent we have on this roster. It's no coincidence that our o line has regressed so much, and our QB holds the ball too long....they are all confused because the offense is too complex. Like I said earlier, I don't understand why this position is even controversial, but some on here just don't seem to get it.

[preachermatt83]

Board is dead because the majority of the Mods went full retard and didn?t know how to get the sand out of their vag*nas back in the spring. They are still fighting the sandy Vags and flashing their PC Police badges daily around here. It?s pretty absurd and unbearable. The board went full on prekindergarten around April/May 2018.

Correct. They decided scooba was more valuable to the board than c34. Smh. I told them then they would regret it. I'd be willing to bet hits are half right now compared to the same time last year.

[BeardoMSU]

Correct. They decided scooba was more valuable to the board than c34. Smh. I told them then they would regret it. I'd be willing to bet hits are half right now compared to the same time last year.

Lolz....half?
HALF!?!?
Based on what? Your business intuition?

[Bubb Rubb]

Lolz....half?
HALF!?!?
Based on what? Your business intuition?

You gotta forgive him. He's committed.

[TimberBeast]

Lolz....half?
HALF!?!?
Based on what? Your business intuition?

Unless msstate7 is clicking your ads for you then yes, preacher might be right for once.

[BeardoMSU]

Unless msstate7 is clicking your ads for you then yes, preacher might be right for once.

Huh? You're delusional, pillow pants.

[DancingRabbit]

Moorhead isn't getting fired this season. I'm not a Moorhead guy at all, but I even think he should get next season. I do know if I had the luxury of knowing how this season would play out at the time of the hire, I wouldn't do it. Would you?

Yeah, Moorhead isn't getting fired this year or next but maybe we can run off a recruit or two if we have 20 fire Moorhead threads a day. C34 loves a fire a coach campaign.

[BeardoMSU]

Unless msstate7 is clicking your ads for you then yes, preacher might be right for once.
Nice with the negative rep....that'll show me. ***

[BuckyIsAB****]

I am not sure who the other candidates were. If Pruitt has a choice then he goes to UT. Moorhead had the best resume of the options I heard. If someone said he was a bad hire in December then I would like to see it. Everyone on this message board was excited to get him. If you figure out how to change those decisions, I will split my earnings from Apple and Amazon stock with you because you can only use so many billions.

Idk about that. I think Pruitt takes our job before UT and looking now Bill Clark and Neal Brown were coming off solid seasons at UAB and Troy.

Pruitt wanted this job UT came after him after all the shit they went through. Cohen didnt like Pruitt for whatever reason but I said at the time it was the best hire UT had made in years and it is showing now. He is a good coach. He has done just a good of a job as Moorhead has with less of a team to be honest.

[Bubb Rubb]

Idk about that. I think Pruitt takes our job before UT and looking now Bill Clark and Neal Brown were coming off solid seasons at UAB and Troy.

Pruitt wanted this job UT came after him after all the shit they went through. Cohen didnt like Pruitt for whatever reason but I said at the time it was the best hire UT had made in years and it is showing now. He is a good coach. He has done just a good of a job as Moorhead has with less of a team to be honest.

He has definitely done a better job than Moorhead has this season, which is very concerning to me, given the advantages Moorhead had with this roster. Hell, Pruitt beat Kentucky.

[DancingRabbit]

Idk about that. I think Pruitt takes our job before UT and looking now Bill Clark and Neal Brown were coming off solid seasons at UAB and Troy.

Pruitt wanted this job UT came after him after all the shit they went through. Cohen didnt like Pruitt for whatever reason but I said at the time it was the best hire UT had made in years and it is showing now. He is a good coach. He has done just a good of a job as Moorhead has with less of a team to be honest.

How would UT and MSU compare in recruiting rankings the last 4 years? Defensive guy gives up 58 to Bama? I don't think Nick likes Jeremy.

We'll end up 8-4 and Jeremy probably ends up 5-7. But he has to grind at UT - tough SECe. Joe's got the easy life.

Kirby is the exception. I'd avoid Nick assistants.

[preachermatt83]

I am not sure who the other candidates were. If Pruitt has a choice then he goes to UT. Moorhead had the best resume of the options I heard. If someone said he was a bad hire in December then I would like to see it. Everyone on this message board was excited to get him. If you figure out how to change those decisions, I will split my earnings from Apple and Amazon stock with you because you can only use so many billions.

Mike leach would have accepted the job

[Tbonewannabe]

Idk about that. I think Pruitt takes our job before UT and looking now Bill Clark and Neal Brown were coming off solid seasons at UAB and Troy.

Pruitt wanted this job UT came after him after all the shit they went through. Cohen didnt like Pruitt for whatever reason but I said at the time it was the best hire UT had made in years and it is showing now. He is a good coach. He has done just a good of a job as Moorhead has with less of a team to be honest.

We have some talent but UT won 9 games back to back and have an average recruiting ranking of 12th in the country over the last 5 years. Let's not act like Pruitt took over a team with zero talent.

[yjnkdawg]

Idk about that. I think Pruitt takes our job before UT and looking now Bill Clark and Neal Brown were coming off solid seasons at UAB and Troy.

Pruitt wanted this job UT came after him after all the shit they went through. Cohen didnt like Pruitt for whatever reason but I said at the time it was the best hire UT had made in years and it is showing now. He is a good coach. He has done just a good of a job as Moorhead has with less of a team to be honest.


If I remember right, I believe that Pruitt and/or his agent was playing the Media to get our job, and Cohen didn't like that crap.

[Tbonewannabe]

Mike leach would have accepted the job

Was Leach on anyone's radar realistically? People are saying we don't need to throw the ball as is and you now want to go air raid?

[preachermatt83]

Was Leach on anyone's radar realistically? People are saying we don't need to throw the ball as is and you now want to go air raid?

Have you ever watched the simplicity of peach's system?

[TimberBeast]

Nice with the negative rep....that'll show me. ***

I?m sure it will be good while your life is spent modding this board. You are the shit, good job

[BeardoMSU]

I?m sure it will be good while your life is spent modding this board. You are the shit, good job
I'm not a mod...

[msstate7]

How would UT and MSU compare in recruiting rankings the last 4 years? Defensive guy gives up 58 to Bama? I don't think Nick likes Jeremy.

We'll end up 8-4 and Jeremy probably ends up 5-7. But he has to grind at UT - tough SECe. Joe's got the easy life.

Kirby is the exception. I'd avoid Nick assistants.

You really wanna go there? Moorhead is an offensive guy, and we are the worst offense in the country in conference play... #129 of 129 in scoring offense vs conference.

[BrunswickDawg]

Have you ever watched the simplicity of peach's system?

So now you are lobbying for 34 to be coach? LOL

How anyone thinks Mike Leach could have come in and run air raid system with this team and won the same or more as Moorhead is insane.

[BeardoMSU]

Have you ever watched the simplicity of peach's system?

https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_2963a932-c3a5-4212-a4c5-dc4002b0ed54?wid=488&hei=488&fmt=pjpeg

[Gutter Cobreh]

Have you ever watched the simplicity of peach's system?


So now you are lobbying for 34 to be coach? LOL

How anyone thinks Mike Leach could have come in and run air raid system with this team and won the same or more as Moorhead is insane.

You haven't seen anything yet, this faction of the fanbase is just warming up. Just wait till Lemonis' starts officially coaching. After our first loss, they'll start thumping their chest and saying Tadlock should have been the coach and that no one here understands how talented our baseball team is except them and that we're all idiots....

[justwin]

1. This is our worst offense since the worst offensive coach in modern SEC history walked our sidelines. We in no way, shape, or form employ an "offensive genius". He has turned a veteran offense that averaged around 27 PPG in SEC games last season into an embarrassing, impotent, and confused group of players. You simply cannot defend anything at this point about our offense. It was the same with Croom- too many reads for the people he had on campus and the defenses he faced. Croom never adapted- I dont expect this guy to either.

2. If you get nothing out of this post today- please learn one thing: Nick Fitzgerald DID NOT MISS SPRING PRACTICE. He practiced every day of Spring Practice. He got reps during individual time and 7 on 7. He worked on this offense and its reads. What he did not do was get live team reps. They all went to KT and the walk-ons.

3. As a few on here have stated but many can't seem to grasp- the problem with our offense is confusion. The QB has too many reads. The WR's have too many reads. The OL stays confused. This offense is not going to work vs good SEC defenses because of all the pressure and man coverage- it doesnt matter who the QB is. We're trying hard to recruit Bryant from Clemson for next season- but that still isnt going to make us better against good defenses.

4. Fitz holds the ball too long because he simply isnt being coached up on where to go with it. A well-coached QB knows where to go with the ball when he gets a look. Not every pass is a 3-4 read process. We arent protecting well at times and his decision time is short. Way too many reads going on offense. When Fitz does hit the targets- they drop it. Yesterday's 3 drops kept Fitz from completing 70% of his passes. It cost us a couple of first downs

5. JoMo takes pride in not changing offensive personnel. He is learning this year in Big Boy ball that your ass better get some TE's in the game on 3rd and 1 vs the Bama's and LSU's of the world. He just runs a simple Zone Read and Bama runs 2 of the backside- DE chases down the TB and the OLB took Fitz. JoMo is learning the hard way about the speed of SEC DL's and Safeties. The lack of soft zone coverage. The shorter amount of time that QB's have to make decisions.

6. We dont have enough designed hand offs in this offense. Thats just dumb.

7. Where are the screens and quick passes? It's fine to want to throw deep- but you better do some things to get rid of the ball quick and keep the DL guys off your QB. We dont do that.

8. No excuse in not calling a time-out on the Bama fumble. No excuse on the delay of game penalties- we dont huddle. We are taking too long to get the play called and then checking with the coach to see if its ok to run it. It's ridiculous. We just simply dont look well-coached on the offensive side of the ball. It makes the QB look bad as he always gets too much blame or too much credit. It makes it all look bad. It doesnt matter who recruits- the things we are doing are not going to be successful vs good SEC defenses. We wont bring in elite offensive talent to Sville in recruiting.

9. Shoop has done a great job on D- and we lose a ton of talent. While we will still have some good players on D next year- we lose our insane depth this year. The D will take a step back next year obviously but should be solid.

10. Highly unlikely we make a change after the season- but this will be the best team Moorhead coaches at Miss State. And he blew it. The OM game next year likely decides if we end up bowl eligible. Gonna be a long 3-4 years

it's Fitz. all on Fitz. Fitz just doesn't have it. A 5th year senior at that. You confirming Fitz was here in the spring only makes it worse. Go look at our very first offensive play. simple read ~ pitch to Kylin for 7 on play 1; didn't happen. That's on Fitz.

You are right on #6 though in needing to eliminate the read all together from Fitz so he just hands if off.

Everyone needs to realize that 8-4 or 9-3 is the ceiling with a RB playing QB. This model has worked the last decade to elevate our program, but it's time for a QB to play QB. We have many capable RBs to run it.

[Tbonewannabe]

Have you ever watched the simplicity of peach's system?

We have problems catching the ball 50% of the time when Fitz actually throws the ball to the correct guy. Leach might be great but people are saying Moorhead's offense won't work because we can't get a passing QB and you want to go to passing 75% of the time.

For the most part Leach's system has been tried by Mumme who developed it. Leach might have tweaked it since then but everyone saying Moorhead's offense won't work in the SEC might say the same about Leach.

[Tbonewannabe]

it's Fitz. all on Fitz. Fitz just doesn't have it. A 5th year senior at that. You confirming Fitz was here in the spring only makes it worse. Go look at our very first offensive play. simple read ~ pitch to Kylin for 7 on play 1; didn't happen. That's on Fitz.

You are right on #6 though in needing to eliminate the read all together from Fitz so he just hands if off.

Everyone needs to realize that 8-4 or 9-3 is the ceiling with a RB playing QB. This model has worked the last decade to elevate our program, but it's time for a QB to play QB. We have many capable RBs to run it.

The Flea Flicker was also designed to go to Thomas and he was wide open but Fitz didn't see him. Fitz is having problems that aren't just going through his progressions. Bottom line is we will see if Moorhead can develop a QB or if his system doesn't work with the speed of SEC defenses. It very well could be asking a QB to think too quickly and only works with a NFL level QB. Dak would probably rape face in the offense and maybe Tyler Russell but most of the QBs we typically get is the dual threat option type QB. If Joe can't develop those guys to run his offense then he will have to either change up some things or he will eventually be gone.

[Brahmabull]

I don't know what the solution is offensively, but I do know that when you have two running backs the caliber of Hill and Williams, it doesn't make sense for the QB to have more rushing attempts than the two of them combined!!!

[Dawg61]

it's Fitz. all on Fitz. Fitz just doesn't have it. A 5th year senior at that. You confirming Fitz was here in the spring only makes it worse. Go look at our very first offensive play. simple read ~ pitch to Kylin for 7 on play 1; didn't happen. That's on Fitz.

You are right on #6 though in needing to eliminate the read all together from Fitz so he just hands if off.

Everyone needs to realize that 8-4 or 9-3 is the ceiling with a RB playing QB. This model has worked the last decade to elevate our program, but it's time for a QB to play QB. We have many capable RBs to run it.


I don't know what the solution is offensively, but I do know that when you have two running backs the caliber of Hill and Williams, it doesn't make sense for the QB to have more rushing attempts than the two of them combined!!!

Good posts. The main problem with this team is that Moorhead treats it like he's the substitute teacher and doesn't want to upset anyone.

[Dawg61]

Board is dead because the majority of the Mods went full retard and didn?t know how to get the sand out of their vag*nas back in the spring. They are still fighting the sandy Vags and flashing their PC Police badges daily around here. It?s pretty absurd and unbearable. The board went full on prekindergarten around April/May 2018.

Some of this post is correct and some is just you continuing to be butthurt cause you have started 15 poli themed threads that would have gotten moved regardless if C34 and Scooba had it out in the spring. However the board has suffered a lot since the Spring mainly because there's about twenty posters holding grudges on both sides and don't post anymore and then there's about ten posters that post way more now and are completely insufferable because C34 and ISID aren't around to keep their ruhtardism down. See msstate7 for reference. Then there's about another ten posters that continuously take pot shots at C34 when he does finally make a thread. Just read half the replies in this thread for example. It also needs to be stated that the division in this country right now has a part to play too. People don't like difference of opinion in other people right now. There's zero patience for it in this country left. You know who to blame for that one and it ain't C34 and Scooba causing it.

[Dawgowar]

Reference Leach.... Year, team, record, conference position and bowl game. Me thinks, and I could be wrong, that there would be heavy paper bag breathing going on if Moorehead lost 5,6, or 7 games in years 1-2-3....much less 4, 6, 7, and 9. WSU was in the toilet when he took that over but he hasn't had a legit shot at a 1 or 2 loss season in the PAC 12 till this year. Again, not the most knowledgable or connected poster around here but a few of you just might be stomping your foot about now.

2000 Texas Tech 7–6 3–5 4th (South) L Galleryfurniture.com
2001 Texas Tech 7–5 4–4 T–3rd (South) L Alamo
2002 Texas Tech 9–5 5–3 T–2nd (South) W Tangerine
2003 Texas Tech 8–5 4–4 4th (South) W Houston
2004 Texas Tech 8–4 5–3 T–3rd (South) W Holiday 17 18
2005 Texas Tech 9–3 6–2 T–2nd (South) L Cotton 19 20
2006 Texas Tech 8–5 4–4 4th (South) W Insight
2007 Texas Tech 9–4 4–4 T–3rd (South) W Gator 23 22
2008 Texas Tech 11–2 7–1 T–1st (South) L Cotton 12 12
2009 Texas Tech 8–4 5–3 3rd (South) Alamo* 23 21
2012 Washington State 3–9 1–8 6th (North)
2013 Washington State 6–7 4–5 T–4th (North) L New Mexico
2014 Washington State 3–9 2–7 T–5th (North)
2015 Washington State 9–4 6–3 3rd (North) W Sun
2016 Washington State 8–5 7–2 2nd (North) L Holiday
2017 Washington State 9–4 6–3 3rd (North) L Holiday
2018 Washington State 9–1 6–1 (North)

Our season wasn't what we hoped for. Mullen built MSU to only occasionally exceed his own expectations. If he had stayed we would all be griping about not having a passing game with explosive plays and bad WR recruiting. We would not be much better than 2 losses but truth be told Mullen may have lost to somebody he shouldn't have. Not ready to sharpen fangs and claws over a first year coach that isn't going anywhere. Cohen knows he is out of alma maters to become AD at. We'll see what Moorhead does to improve the offense. I judge by results at season's end. (Not that my voice is going to matter)

[Coach34]

it's Fitz. all on Fitz. Fitz just doesn't have it. A 5th year senior at that. You confirming Fitz was here in the spring only makes it worse. Go look at our very first offensive play. simple read ~ pitch to Kylin for 7 on play 1; didn't happen. That's on Fitz. .

1. We were 8-3 last year with Fitz at QB and averaged 26 PPG in conference games- thats on Fitz
2. We average 10 PPG in 2018 with better players. Whats different?
3. 1st offensive play? Thats the whole point- why is every play a read? The fact that we dont have have at least 20 designed runs every Saturday is on the OC. Thats just terrible coaching.
4. We are the worst team in the country in conference play. THE COUNTRY. Thats not a Fitz problem my man. Thats a shitty offensive system. Our offense has at least 3 draft picks playing on it. We dont lack talent.
5. 13 sacks allowed in 2017- 23 sacks allowed in 2018 and counting.

Simply no excuse to be this bad with an experienced, talented offense

[Walkerhill]

I really hate that Joe couldn't figure out a way to redshirt KT this year.

Is this correct? He has played in 4 games. If he does not appear again, he could redshirt, right?

If Fitz can go the whole games against Arky and OM, then KT should be held out for a redshirt if our staff are not complete morons.

[WinningIsRelentless]

The speed of the dl and lb?s has completely thrown JoMo into disarray.

He isn?t willing to let the ol and rbs to control the game like you need to for passing game purposes. He is to worried about explosive plays.

[msstate7]

Is this correct? He has played in 4 games. If he does not appear again, he could redshirt, right?

If Fitz can go the whole games against Arky and OM, then KT should be held out for a redshirt if our staff are not complete morons.

I don't think this staff is worried about keeping key around longer

[hacker]

Is this correct? He has played in 4 games. If he does not appear again, he could redshirt, right?

If Fitz can go the whole games against Arky and OM, then KT should be held out for a redshirt if our staff are not complete morons.

He's played in 7 games. Only showed up on box score stats in 4.

https://static.hailstate.com/custompages/stats/fb/2018/plyr_1a.htm

[Walkerhill]

I don't think this staff is worried about keeping key around longer

If that is true they definitely are not worried about him being a difference maker on the field in the next 2-3 games barring unforeseen circumstances. So, a redshirt makes sense anyway. My point is he is eligible right? No reason to blow it on more garbage time at this point.

[Walkerhill]

He's played in 7 games. Only showed up on box score stats in 4.

https://static.hailstate.com/custompages/stats/fb/2018/plyr_1a.htm

Well never mind then

[dawgday166]

I don't think this staff is worried about keeping key around longer

I hope you wrong but fear you right. That is very disconcerting to me if it's the case.

If both Fitz and Key can't pick up this offense, and the WRs and Oline can't either ... then how does that bode for our future with our recruiting footprint. We ain't Bama that can go scour the whole freakin country for the best and brightest available talent.

Of course Shotgun will chime in somewhere here and say we just got dumb players. What folks also need to realize is these kids are full-time students. They ain't working at it around the clock like NFL teams do. And as we saw on Saturday, even the almighty Tua has made almost all his reads pre-snap this year, cause when we got pressure, he didn't go through post-snap reads very well either. And he's one of those best and brightest guys.

[Tbonewannabe]

I hope you wrong but fear you right. That is very disconcerting to me if it's the case.

If both Fitz and Key can't pick up this offense, and the WRs and Oline can't either ... then how does that bode for our future with our recruiting footprint. We ain't Bama that can go scour the whole freakin country for the best and brightest available talent.

Of course Shotgun will chime in somewhere here and say we just got dumb players. What folks also need to realize is these kids are full-time students. They ain't working at it around the clock like NFL teams do. And as we saw on Saturday, even the almighty Tua has made almost all his reads pre-snap this year, cause when we got pressure, he didn't go through post-snap reads very well either. And he's one of those best and brightest guys.

It seems that there is 2 schools of thought on this currently.

1) This offense will not work due to the speed of SEC defenses. A&M is actually the only game where Joe's offense has worked like it is supposed to. A&M does have a good defense but not the caliber of Bama or LSU.

2) We just don't have a QB that can make the correct reads and throws. We have open WRs on a lot of plays that Fitz just doesn't see. Thomas streaking down the field on the flea flicker should have actually been the first read but Fitz didn't see him.

Whichever reason it is or if it is a combination of both then we will probably see next year. If Joe puts up another year of last in the SEC offense in conference play then Cohen definitely has a decision to make.

[Coach34]

1) This offense will not work due to the speed of SEC defenses. A&M is actually the only game where Joe's offense has worked like it is supposed to. A&M does have a good defense but not the caliber of Bama or LSU.

SEC Scoring D's

1st Bama- 0 points
4th Kentucky- 7 points
5th LSU- 3 points
6th Auburn- 23 points
7th Florida- 6 points
8th Texas A&M- 28 points (A&M is 12th in the SEC vs the pass)

Fortunately we play the two worst SEC defenses last

[PMDawg]

I won't be surprised if we lose to both.

[msstate7]

I won't be surprised if we lose to both.

I'm anything but a Moorhead guy, but come on mane. I think om could be a tough game for us bc we are God awful on the road, but ark will be a comfortable 2 score win at least

[Tbonewannabe]

SEC Scoring D's

1st Bama- 0 points
4th Kentucky- 7 points
5th LSU- 3 points
6th Auburn- 23 points
7th Florida- 6 points
8th Texas A&M- 28 points (A&M is 12th in the SEC vs the pass)

Fortunately we play the two worst SEC defenses last

A&M is also the 26th best overall defense in the country right now. We ran for more yards against A&M than Bama also. Bama did throw for a lot.

[Mutt the Hoople]

The problem is that Joe Moorhead's offense requires intelligent players. Fordham and Penn state has players who take academics seriously. At MSU, you have players who needed tutoring, untimed tests, and prayer chains to score an 18 on the ACT. Jomo needs to go with the strengths of Mississippi football, which is toughness and dishing it out as well as taking it, and keep everything else simple.

[maroonmania]

The problem is that Joe Moorhead's offense requires intelligent players. Fordham and Penn state has players who take academics seriously. At MSU, you have players who needed tutoring, untimed tests, and prayer chains to score an 18 on the ACT. Jomo needs to go with the strengths of Mississippi football, which is toughness and dishing it out as well as taking it, and keep everything else simple.

Certainly takes an intellectual QB to run it that we probably don't even have on the roster at the moment. Now I don't know that it takes mental giants at the other positions. If it does we are in trouble because MS will never produce a crop of high IQ football players. It just won't. And we will not likely be able to reel in enough of them from other states.

[ShotgunDawg]

I hope you wrong but fear you right. That is very disconcerting to me if it's the case.

If both Fitz and Key can't pick up this offense, and the WRs and Oline can't either ... then how does that bode for our future with our recruiting footprint. We ain't Bama that can go scour the whole freakin country for the best and brightest available talent.

Of course Shotgun will chime in somewhere here and say we just got dumb players. What folks also need to realize is these kids are full-time students. They ain't working at it around the clock like NFL teams do. And as we saw on Saturday, even the almighty Tua has made almost all his reads pre-snap this year, cause when we got pressure, he didn't go through post-snap reads very well either. And he's one of those best and brightest guys.

Well, if we dumb down the offense, we have no chance of beating teams with more talent. That's what Mullen did & it's a direct route to 8-4.

Perhaps Moorhead will be better than Mullen or perhaps he'll be worse, but we will have a scheme that gives us a chance to elite teams.

What would you rather have? An offense that you can recruit Mississippi QBs too or trust Moorhead to go out & recruit QBs, like Shrader, who are capable of running a more complicated scheme?

Again, dumbing down the offense doesn't get us closer to beating Bama.

If things don't get better in year 2, I'll be super concerned, but as of now, I'm chalking up our offense this year as the equivalent of taking one step back to take 2 steps forward.

[ShotgunDawg]

The problem is that Joe Moorhead's offense requires intelligent players. Fordham and Penn state has players who take academics seriously. At MSU, you have players who needed tutoring, untimed tests, and prayer chains to score an 18 on the ACT. Jomo needs to go with the strengths of Mississippi football, which is toughness and dishing it out as well as taking it, and keep everything else simple.

two things:

- Like Shrader, I think Moorhead is going to produce highly intelligent QBs who have been playing QB for their entire career.
- Perhaps our guys had trouble picking it up quickly, but I think being in the system for more than a year will really help

[cheewgumm]

If it takes a year to learn it the we shouldn?t t expect Shrader to do it in 1 year should we?

Unless he?s also a savant, or Fitz is just a moron.

[ShotgunDawg]

If it takes a year to learn it the we shouldn?t t expect Shrader to do it in 1 year should we?

Unless he?s also a savant, or Fitz is just a moron.

No, Shrader will red shirt.

My assumption though is that a QB in his 2nd year in this system will be far better than a QB in the first.

I'd be curious to know what offense Penn State was running before Moorhead came. My guess is that it was something that was asking the QB to make reads that were closer to what Moorhead wanted than what Mullen was running.

Just my guess & thus why the learning curve has been much steeper

[dawgday166]

No, Shrader will red shirt.

My assumption though is that a QB in his 2nd year in this system will be far better than a QB in the first.

I'd be curious to know what offense Penn State was running before Moorhead came. My guess is that it was something that was asking the QB to make reads that were closer to what Moorhead wanted than what Mullen was running.

Just my guess & thus why the learning curve has been much steeper

That was my hope too but .. why does KT seem expendable now?

[cheewgumm]

Im convinced Franklin made them give it to Barkley more than Joe would have.

At least that?s what the numbers say.

[Dawgfan77]

1. We were 8-3 last year with Fitz at QB and averaged 26 PPG in conference games- thats on Fitz
2. We average 10 PPG in 2018 with better players. Whats different?
3. 1st offensive play? Thats the whole point- why is every play a read? The fact that we dont have have at least 20 designed runs every Saturday is on the OC. Thats just terrible coaching.
4. We are the worst team in the country in conference play. THE COUNTRY. Thats not a Fitz problem my man. Thats a shitty offensive system. Our offense has at least 3 draft picks playing on it. We dont lack talent.
5. 13 sacks allowed in 2017- 23 sacks allowed in 2018 and counting.

Simply no excuse to be this bad with an experienced, talented offense

Most people don?t want to admit it but the truth is joe is in over his head. This offense that he runs will not work here. Joe was hired by the IB cause the IB wants to be the smartest guy in the room at all times and thought hey I can hire this guy. No doubt joe would have been a good coach but it wasn?t going to be here or in the SEC. Mullen May have been from the northeast but he at least coached in the SEC. I stand by two thoughts. One we had an opportunity to hire a sitting HC and we didn?t and two we should have continued with the offensive minded coach, we did but we hired the wrong guy

[dawgday166]

Im convinced Franklin made them give it to Barkley more than Joe would have.

At least that?s what the numbers say.

I know it's in long ago days gone by but Vince Lombardi took a bunch of outcasts from other teams and taught them to do a few things well ... especially his power sweep. You knew it was coming but you couldn't stop it.

This year we had the team to run over everyone we faced really and last year we were pretty damn good at it ... but Joe has to have his explosive plays in the passing game. The one time we didn't try for those much ... we ran for 350 yds. Mix in some play action all within his system and this year you have a winning formula cause we would not see a front 7 like ours all year long.

Like he said today in his PC ... he attributes the difficulties with the offense to what he is asking them to do in the passing game. I'm not sure Joe likes to run 2 consecutive running plays in a row, and I'm positive he don't like to run 3.

I don't believe Joe can consistently do something that is really basic like that. He has to be creative. He'll get bored running the same simple stuff like that even if it does work. He isn't happy with just 4 to 6 yds a pop. He wants to see 15, 20, 40, etc. That's why I don't think it's the players, it's the creative genius inside Joe. He's like Hugh Freeze somewhat .. and while that will get you some upsets, it will also mean that you lose 1 to 2 each year you shouldn't to quite inferior teams.

[I seen it dawg]

Yep same here, I look on Saturdays now for the most part. Only thing valuable here are the weather threads.

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[I seen it dawg]

Seriously, KT was the #5 dual threat out of HS behind Tua, Tate Martell, Kellen Mond, and Sam Ehlinger and was a high 4-star prospect. And he was an actual QB in a tough high school division, passing for 4000 yards his senior year (and rushing for 1400). He had offers from LSU, Texas Tech (and they know something about QB play), West Virginia, and UF. Mayden was also a highly touted QB prospect, although not as heavily recruited as Key. If Joe can't get anything out of either one, we may just have a bad coach.

Our fans have let Fitz stink up the joint for 3 years in the passing game, but want to throw all of our QBs out with the bathwater when they've not even had a shot.

For the record I'm not a Moorhead fan think he could be in way over his head and too stubborn to admit it. Ive also never been a huge Fitz fan. Not hated him but never a big fan, and Dak set the bar really high. I believe in college football the program has to look to the QB to set the tone of the program and be THE GUY. Fitz doesn't come off as he has that.

I'm here a little...Fitz has rubbed me the wrong way this year in particular. The sliding short of the first down Saturday to me is a microcosm of his season. 5th yr guy with his pedigree should be able to will his team to be better and he doesn't. Not sure why but it may be bc Moorhead doesn't hold him as accountable, and that's just speculation. Im not impressed with leadership from the one guy that has to be the unquestioned leader of the football team and regardless of how great the defense was gonna be and is this team was gonna go as well and as far as Fitz determined it would be and it ain't been what we thought.

I'll add this on KT...he has won TITLES his whole athletics career.

[I seen it dawg]

Correct. They decided scooba was more valuable to the board than c34. Smh. I told them then they would regret it. I'd be willing to bet hits are half right now compared to the same time last year.

There was no they. There was one person that made a decision. Again you have no ****ing clue what you're talking about.

[I seen it dawg]

BTW, what happened to the Denver Airport director (can't remember user name)? Also why does spiderman post less now and Clint Eastwood rarely post?

Hey, at least we still have cowpower, uberbravesfan7 and preacher********

Board is dead.

Yes, I know that I don't post much, just an observation.

He's still ****ing around....

[I seen it dawg]

Board is dead because the majority of the Mods went full retard and didn?t know how to get the sand out of their vag*nas back in the spring. They are still fighting the sandy Vags and flashing their PC Police badges daily around here. It?s pretty absurd and unbearable. The board went full on prekindergarten around April/May 2018.

While you're here complaining like a bitch, click some ads. It's getting Xmas time and we got some donations to make.

[I seen it dawg]

You?re an idiot. Post less.

Then bring some valid discussion or get the **** out.

[I seen it dawg]

Yep. Board is dead. You have a handful of people that repeat themselves over and over and over. One guy has over 46000 posts and has zero to say but yet he's every thread. I barely come to this site anymore.

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[justwin]

The Flea Flicker was also designed to go to Thomas and he was wide open but Fitz didn't see him. Fitz is having problems that aren't just going through his progressions. Bottom line is we will see if Moorhead can develop a QB or if his system doesn't work with the speed of SEC defenses. It very well could be asking a QB to think too quickly and only works with a NFL level QB. Dak would probably rape face in the offense and maybe Tyler Russell but most of the QBs we typically get is the dual threat option type QB. If Joe can't develop those guys to run his offense then he will have to either change up some things or he will eventually be gone.

Fitz's problem is he a RB, not a QB. A great RB at that. 10 years ago, we couldn't even get a decent walk on @ qb. Last 10 years, we went with the safe method of ball control and add'l (some would say primary) runner @ the QB which plays the numbers and get's you competitive. last decade has been a great strategy. In order to take the next step, have to be able to orchestrate the offense and be an efficient distributor with the ability to process quickly & deceive defenders. No matter their shape or size. Fitz just doesn't have it him. Georgia & Auburn last year & UK/UF/LSU/Bama this year. enough is enough.

In retrospect, Key should've been playing some portion of every game since game 1. Make it automatic that Key comes in for at least 1 series in 1H to mix it up. get into a routine of it. Say what you will, but Key had like 70+ tds as a senior and won Louisiana. Saying again, KEY WON LOUISIANA...IN THE DOME. That's big. He throws a great deep ball too. The very first offensive play of the Joe Moorhead era was a swing pass to Kylin from Key. I wonder if Fitz would've tucked and run on that same play. There's your difference.

[justwin]

1. We were 8-3 last year with Fitz at QB and averaged 26 PPG in conference games- thats on Fitz
2. We average 10 PPG in 2018 with better players. Whats different?
3. 1st offensive play? Thats the whole point- why is every play a read? The fact that we dont have have at least 20 designed runs every Saturday is on the OC. Thats just terrible coaching.
4. We are the worst team in the country in conference play. THE COUNTRY. Thats not a Fitz problem my man. Thats a shitty offensive system. Our offense has at least 3 draft picks playing on it. We dont lack talent.
5. 13 sacks allowed in 2017- 23 sacks allowed in 2018 and counting.

Simply no excuse to be this bad with an experienced, talented offense

the tape doesn't lie. it doesn't lie, never does. Go watch every game afterwards and it's glaring how many explosive plays die with the QB default run or scramble. The scheme & periphery players are there. Fitz is not the same runner this year as last. Same jersey, same 7, same name, but not the same player. He doesn't run as wild & free. Thanks OM for that. Point being, Fitz last year vs Fitz this year isn't apples to apples. Go watch all of those designed QB power vs LSU and how Fitz hops and waits while the hole is there and closed before he even begins. That's on Fitz. Not the same runner this year, therefore, his most valuable asset is gone. Slid vs Bama, kidding me.

But yeah, make no mistake, our RBS should be getting many many many more touches. That first play was on Fitz though.

Moorhead though, has done Fitz a solid by not publicly downing him. I give him credit for that, because Moorhead is at his end with him.

We just need to see more of Key here on out. Players like Key, that mean something.

[justwin]

two things:

- Like Shrader, I think Moorhead is going to produce highly intelligent QBs who have been playing QB for their entire career.
- Perhaps our guys had trouble picking it up quickly, but I think being in the system for more than a year will really help

the system will pay off. Next year with Key/Mayden/Shaffer/Bryant (??) ~ all of those 4 will have had big time HS careers producing big points through the air. It's kind of like the last year we had Tyler Russell signaled the last of the immobile QB in a run heavy QB O. This is the opposite. We are about to go to a pass heavy, heady, QB play with a splash of QB run & scramble. We will have ample QB talent next year that will know how to distribute to our talent.

[justwin]

Seriously, KT was the #5 dual threat out of HS behind Tua, Tate Martell, Kellen Mond, and Sam Ehlinger and was a high 4-star prospect. And he was an actual QB in a tough high school division, passing for 4000 yards his senior year (and rushing for 1400). He had offers from LSU, Texas Tech (and they know something about QB play), West Virginia, and UF. Mayden was also a highly touted QB prospect, although not as heavily recruited as Key. If Joe can't get anything out of either one, we may just have a bad coach.

Our fans have let Fitz stink up the joint for 3 years in the passing game, but want to throw all of our QBs out with the bathwater when they've not even had a shot.

mic drop.

[justwin]

For the record I'm not a Moorhead fan think he could be in way over his head and too stubborn to admit it. Ive also never been a huge Fitz fan. Not hated him but never a big fan, and Dak set the bar really high. I believe in college football the program has to look to the QB to set the tone of the program and be THE GUY. Fitz doesn't come off as he has that.

I'm here a little...Fitz has rubbed me the wrong way this year in particular. The sliding short of the first down Saturday to me is a microcosm of his season. 5th yr guy with his pedigree should be able to will his team to be better and he doesn't. Not sure why but it may be bc Moorhead doesn't hold him as accountable, and that's just speculation. Im not impressed with leadership from the one guy that has to be the unquestioned leader of the football team and regardless of how great the defense was gonna be and is this team was gonna go as well and as far as Fitz determined it would be and it ain't been what we thought.

I'll add this on KT...he has won TITLES his whole athletics career.

that's how I read Fitz too, exactly like that. Fitz is missing 15+ explosive plays a game. His ankle isn't the same either.

It's time for Key. I'm not saying a full blown replace, but he needs to get 20-30% of the snaps these last two games and blend him in 1H & 2H.

[Really Clark?]

that's how I read Fitz too, exactly like that. Fitz is missing 15+ explosive plays a game. His ankle isn't the same either.

It's time for Key. I'm not saying a full blown replace, but he needs to get 20-30% of the snaps these last two games and blend him in 1H & 2H.

Why keep asking for Key when the coach disagrees with you? I would have worked him in more as well but Moorehead has completely disregarded this idea all year. He sees a reason to start and roll with Fitz all year. We just need to shut the door on this topic. If he actually plays him, then we can gauge what KT brings to this offense but until then, this topic is officially closed.

And there have not been 15+ explosive plays missed every game. I’m sure you were just being hyperbolic

[Noxdog]

He's still ****ing around....

It's about ******* time.

Sorry on the user name gaffe. Old age.

[Coach34]

There was no they. There was one person that made a decision. Again you have no ****ing clue what you're talking about.

whoa brother- there was a they. Ya’ll chose Scooba- you 4 got to own that

[UMCDawg16]

Couple questions for you:
If Fitz has so many reads, why didn't he fling it on the flea flicker? It's one read and he still held it. also, why can't Fitz see a blitz right in front of him? Moorhead mind ****ing him then too?

Where have you been and why show up now? Haven't seen any write-ups from you after any of our wins, or did I miss those?

When will you have your new board up and running? I'm looking forward to it, as I imagine it will clean this one up and the trolling will end here (as your minions will sure follow and jerk you off there thinking it makes them important). I'm looking forward to it, as it's apparent since your pyramid scheme you only show your face here when your trolling.

Well said. C34 is good for nothing but stirring shit up and speaking football illiteracy. The guy think bass ackwards.

[BhamDawg205]

Good posts. The main problem with this team is that Moorhead treats it like he's the substitute teacher and doesn't want to upset anyone.

Except Aries... Always finds time to limit his playing time

[I seen it dawg]

whoa brother- there was a they. Ya’ll chose Scooba- you 4 got to own that

We tried very hard to de-escalate everything and reach some accord but to no avail unfortunately as it wasn't deemed enough. I'd rather not get into it all here we can just agree to disagree.

[vindastra]

We tried very hard to de-escalate everything and reach some accord but to no avail unfortunately as it wasn't deemed enough. I'd rather not get into it all here we can just agree to disagree.

Can you all forgive/forget and get back to posting here (especially that cadaver guy)?

[I seen it dawg]

Can you all forgive/forget and get back to posting here (especially that cadaver guy)?

No one has been banned. Nothing to forgive/forget anyone for. People are free to post. We want good posters to post. We can't control everything.