Auburn "Not Concerned" About Gus' $38 mil Buyout

[ShotgunDawg]

Good gracious.

Of all the more productive things we could use $38 mil on in this world.

I just think this statement is ludicrous. I don't care how rich you are, that's just a massive waste of money to fire an above average coach in favor of an unknown, which is every coach at a new school.

Being an Auburn fan must be miserable. Your 2 biggest rivals always have the upper hand.

https://twitter.com/finebaum/status/1052282166728638466?s=21

[TrapGame]

They're crazy.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Most of those buyouts are paid out over a period of time amd Auburn has the boosters that could do it...

[TUSK]

I'd heard it was $32M... It's a 75% guarantee... after 2019, it falls to $27Mish...

IMO, the ONLY thing that would stop them from buying him out (if they want him gone) would be the optics... money will not be the overriding issue.

I wonder if Sexton/Gus would lettem off the hook a little....

[TUSK]

Most of those buyouts are paid out over a period of time amd Auburn has the boosters that could do it...

Correct... at one time, AU was paying multiple former & current coaches... It was some combination of TaterTot, Tubs, Chizik, Oliver and Gus....

[Mobile Bay]

Most of those buyouts are paid out over a period of time amd Auburn has the boosters that could do it...

I seem to remember the lions share being due within 90 days with this one.

[TUSK]

I seem to remember the lions share being due within 90 days with this one.

Should Auburn terminate Malzahn under the terms of the new contract, it would owe him 50 percent of his buyout within 30 days and the remaining 50 percent in four equal annual installments.

[Gutter Cobreh]

I seem to remember the lions share being due within 90 days with this one.

It's 75% of the amount left on the contract, with half due 30 days after termination. The other half is paid out over the next 4 years.

If I were them, I'd lick my wounds, learn from my mistakes, and ride the Gus Train for the next 3-4 years.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/10/7/17945514/gus-malzahn-buyout-auburn-contract

[TUSK]

Y'all watch what happens if they lose in Oxford this weekend... Those cats will poison their own trees and set Toomer's Corner on fire themselves...

Gus is 1-3, 4-3 and has to go to Oxford, Athens and TTown... TAMU and Liberty at home...

2-6, 6-6 looks likely, to me...

[dawgs]

The best part is when the buyout becomes manageable, Gus bus will drive them to an sec west title (2017) or natty/playoff appearance (2013), he'll get an extension, and the whole cycle will start again.

[ScottH]

Hire an trollop to work in athletics. (Anybody know where one currently works?)
Have an scandal.
Problem solved.

[Bothrops]

Kinda would like to see this happen since there's a high chance they would make the wrong hire.

[Dawg61]

Calling bullshit on this. Factor in they HAVE to make a huge splash hire and you're looking at an $80 mill invest. Bullshit

[TUSK]

Calling bullshit on this. Factor in they HAVE to make a huge splash hire and you're looking at an $80 mill invest. Bullshit

These guys call "bullshit" on your call of "bullshit"...

http://media.al.com/sports_impact/photo/9588924-large.jpg

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[fishwater99]

YellaWood...

[BrunswickDawg]

These guys call "bullshit" on your call of "bullshit"...

http://media.al.com/sports_impact/photo/9588924-large.jpg

https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/594981f7a7ea43335db61922/416x416.jpg?background=000000&cropX1=668&cropX2=2328&cropY1=570&cropY2=2230

Terry Bowden says "how's your grandkid?"

[Commercecomet24]

That yellawood money runs deep

[Cooterpoot]

Wonder if we could trade with them.

[gravedigger]

Good gracious.

Of all the more productive things we could use $38 mil on in this world.

I just think this statement is ludicrous. I don't care how rich you are, that's just a massive waste of money to fire an above average coach in favor of an unknown, which is every coach at a new school.

Being an Auburn fan must be miserable. Your 2 biggest rivals always have the upper hand.

https://twitter.com/finebaum/status/1052282166728638466?s=21

Color me a skeptic about Marcello?s source.

[ShotgunDawg]

Most of those buyouts are paid out over a period of time amd Auburn has the boosters that could do it...

Yeah, I understand that. However, the quality of decision making to pour 38 mil in to buyout an above average coach is beyond awful.

Go solve hunger problems in Haiti or something. Not questioning Auburn's financial ability but rather the ridiculousness of people putting forth that much money to buyout a football coach.

If they are willing to shell out 38 mil for a guy not to coach, what are they willing to pay players?

[TUSK]

Yeah, I understand that. However, the quality of decision making to pour 38 mil in to buyout an above average coach is beyond awful.

Go solve hunger problems in Haiti or something. Not questioning Auburn's financial ability but rather the ridiculousness of people putting forth that much money to buyout a football coach.

If they are willing to shell out 38 mil for a guy not to coach, what are they willing to pay players?

At least $180,000 as of ten years ago....

[RocketDawg]

At least $180,000 as of ten years ago....

That's probably the upper end. He's the best player, or at least the best QB, they've ever had, and that includes Pat Sullivan.

[ShotgunDawg]

That's probably the upper end. He's the best player, or at least the best QB, they've ever had, and that includes Pat Sullivan.

Nah. That's in hindsight.

He was a 4 star that transferred from Florida.

They've payed high school guys more. Much more

[Dawg61]

Really is so easy to spend others $38 million. This will never happen. Know why? Cause it's $38 million dollars.

[Quaoarsking]

Is there a program in America other than Auburn that would fire a coach after this 6-year stretch? I mean, I know their fans think they are superior enough never to have to "suffer" through a 7-5 - type year or whatever they'll end up being this year, but I think Ohio State and Alabama would give a coach another year after finishing ranked 4 times in 6 seasons, with a national champion appearance and conference title:



Auburn Tigers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_Tigers_football) (Southeastern Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)) (2013–present)


2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
12–2
7–1
T–1st (Western)
L BCS NCG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_BCS_National_Championship_Game)†
2
2


2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
8–5
4–4
T–4th (Western)
L Outback (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Outback_Bowl)
23
22


2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
7–6
2–6
7th (Western)
W Birmingham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Birmingham_Bowl_(December))




2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
8–5
5–3
T–2nd (Western)
L Sugar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Sugar_Bowl)†
22
24


2017 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
10–4
7–1
T–1st (Western)
L Peach (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Peach_Bowl_(January))†
12
10


2018 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
4–3
1–3






Auburn:
49–25
26–18



Total:

[TUSK]

Really is so easy to spend others $38 million. This will never happen. Know why? Cause it's $38 million dollars.

If Gus gets embarrassed in Oxford, the team quits, and they finish 1-7 in the SEC I bet he gone.

[TUSK]

Is there a program in America other than Auburn that would fire a coach after this 6-year stretch? I mean, I know their fans think they are superior enough never to have to "suffer" through a 7-5 - type year or whatever they'll end up being this year, but I think Ohio State and Alabama would give a coach another year after finishing ranked 4 times in 6 seasons, with a national champion appearance and conference title:



Auburn Tigers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_Tigers_football) (Southeastern Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)) (2013–present)


2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
12–2
7–1
T–1st (Western)
L BCS NCG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_BCS_National_Championship_Game)†
2
2


2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
8–5
4–4
T–4th (Western)
L Outback (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Outback_Bowl)
23
22


2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
7–6
2–6
7th (Western)
W Birmingham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Birmingham_Bowl_(December))




2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
8–5
5–3
T–2nd (Western)
L Sugar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Sugar_Bowl)†
22
24


2017 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
10–4
7–1
T–1st (Western)
L Peach (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Peach_Bowl_(January))†
12
10


2018 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
4–3
1–3






Auburn:
49–25
26–18



Total:



No.

[Dawg61]

If Gus gets embarrassed in Oxford, the team quits, and they finish 1-7 in the SEC I bet he gone.

He beat Bama and was in the SECCG 11 months ago. He safe.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Tim Cook is worth $780 Mill.... Jimmy “Yellawood” Rane is worth $610 Mill....

[TUSK]

Tim Cook is worth $780 Mill....

Jimmy Rane is worth bout $600-700M and Yellawood/GSW generates bout $1B in annual revenue....

$32M ain't shite to him and Cook (and buddies) if it means being competitive in state...

[ShotgunDawg]

Tim Cook is worth $780 Mill.... Jimmy “Yellawood” Rane is worth $610 Mill....

Still doesn't make it logical to pay a guy $38 mil to not coach when he won the West last year.

[Apoplectic]

Is there a program in America other than Auburn that would fire a coach after this 6-year stretch? I mean, I know their fans think they are superior enough never to have to "suffer" through a 7-5 - type year or whatever they'll end up being this year, but I think Ohio State and Alabama would give a coach another year after finishing ranked 4 times in 6 seasons, with a national champion appearance and conference title:



Auburn Tigers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_Tigers_football) (Southeastern Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)) (2013–present)


2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
12–2
7–1
T–1st (Western)
L BCS NCG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_BCS_National_Championship_Game)†
2
2


2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
8–5
4–4
T–4th (Western)
L Outback (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Outback_Bowl)
23
22


2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
7–6
2–6
7th (Western)
W Birmingham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Birmingham_Bowl_(December))




2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
8–5
5–3
T–2nd (Western)
L Sugar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Sugar_Bowl)†
22
24


2017 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
10–4
7–1
T–1st (Western)
L Peach (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Peach_Bowl_(January))†
12
10


2018 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
4–3
1–3






Auburn:
49–25
26–18



Total:




bammers would fire him if the circumstances were the same - theyre no difference between the two with the hair trigger

[ShotgunDawg]

Jimmy Rane is worth bout $600-700M and Yellawood/GSW generates bout $1B in annual revenue....

$32M ain't shite to him and Cook (and buddies) if it means being competitive in state...

Rich people don't become rich by spending their money like this. Ridiculous

[TUSK]

Still doesn't make it logical to pay a guy $38 mil to not coach when he won the West last year.

There's nothing "logical" about being a "fanatic"...

It's happened before, and it'll happen again, and again... the numbers will just increase...

Heck, just ~10 years ago, the CFB World was aghast when Bammer signed Saban to an 8 year, $32M contract... Now, $4M a year, is "meh"...

I just wonder when the bubble will burst...

[Dawg61]

I think what you're seeing here is non-Auburn fans pushing this idea so Auburn can potentially start a bad tailspin. Auburn is undefeated right now with Kerryon Johnson and Cameron Pettway staying for their senior seasons.

[Dawg61]

There's nothing "logical" about being a "fanatic"...

It's happened before, and it'll happen again, and again... the numbers will just increase...

Heck, just ~10 years ago, the CFB World was aghast when Bammer signed Saban to an 8 year, $32M contract... Now, $4M a year, is "meh"...

I just wonder when the bubble will burst...

That's totally different. Spending money for something elite is an infinitely easier sell than "hey can we have $38 million to fire a good coach". Bammers being dumb on this one.

[TUSK]

bammers would fire him if the circumstances were the same - theyre no difference between the two with the hair trigger

Yup... Mike Dubose offered his resignation 3 games after beating Spurrier twice, winning the SECC, going to a NYD Bowl, and being in the top 10 in 1999.

[TUSK]

That's totally different. Spending money for something elite is an infinitely easier sell than "hey can we have $38 million to fire a good coach". Bammers being dumb on this one.

The buyout is part of the cost of buying something "elite", buddy.

I'm not saying people are being logical... I'm just explaining the reality of the situation...

[dawgday166]

I think what you're seeing here is non-Auburn fans pushing this idea so Auburn can potentially start a bad tailspin. Auburn is undefeated right now with Kerryon Johnson and Cameron Pettway staying for their senior seasons.

Not hardly. Good backs don't go very far with an Oline of swiss cheese.

[BrunswickDawg]

Is there a program in America other than Auburn that would fire a coach after this 6-year stretch? I mean, I know their fans think they are superior enough never to have to "suffer" through a 7-5 - type year or whatever they'll end up being this year, but I think Ohio State and Alabama would give a coach another year after finishing ranked 4 times in 6 seasons, with a national champion appearance and conference title:



Auburn Tigers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_Tigers_football) (Southeastern Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)) (2013–present)


2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
12–2
7–1
T–1st (Western)
L BCS NCG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_BCS_National_Championship_Game)†
2
2


2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
8–5
4–4
T–4th (Western)
L Outback (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Outback_Bowl)
23
22


2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
7–6
2–6
7th (Western)
W Birmingham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Birmingham_Bowl_(December))




2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
8–5
5–3
T–2nd (Western)
L Sugar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Sugar_Bowl)†
22
24


2017 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
10–4
7–1
T–1st (Western)
L Peach (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Peach_Bowl_(January))†
12
10


2018 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
4–3
1–3






Auburn:
49–25
26–18



Total:



Georgia fired Mark Richt and he was far more acccomplished than Gus.

[TUSK]

Not hardly. Good backs don't go very far with an Oline of swiss cheese.

Yup, Kerryon would have 2 broke shoulders...

[TUSK]

Georgia fired Mark Richt and he was far more acccomplished than Gus.

Les's prior 6 years:

2010 LSU 11–2 6–2 T–2nd (Western) W Cotton 8 8
2011 LSU 13–1 8–0 1st (Western) L BCS NCG† 2 2
2012 LSU 10–3 6–2 T–2nd (Western) L Chick-fil-A 12 13
2013 LSU 10–3 5–3 3rd (Western) W Outback 14 14
2014 LSU 8–5 4–4 T–4th (Western) L Music City
2015 LSU 9–3 5–3 T–3rd (Western) W Texas 17 16

61-17

[dawgday166]

Yup, Kerryon would have 2 broke shoulders...

You're now seeing Stidham turning into Chris/Jim Everett too. He'll never play in NFL.

[BrunswickDawg]

You're now seeing Stidham turning into Chris/Jim Everett too. He'll never play in NFL.

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[dawgday166]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LawfulDeepEarthworm-size_restricted.gif

LOL .. Good one .. +1.

[Dawg61]

The buyout is part of the cost of buying something "elite", buddy.

I'm not saying people are being logical... I'm just explaining the reality of the situation...

What are you talking about broseph? I'm talking about acquiring something as opposed to paying a gigantic bill. Someone is a hell of a lot more likely to pay for getting a Saban or Jimbo than they are to pay the bill to get rid of Gus. That's just as human nature as it gets with massive money investments.

[Dawg61]

Yup, Kerryon would have 2 broke shoulders...

The Detroit Lions best RB would have two broken shoulders but the current Auburn RBs who'd be his backups don't have two broken shoulders? Yea that makes sense.

[Apoplectic]

Georgia fired Mark Richt and he was far more acccomplished than Gus.

more accomplished in what way

[BrunswickDawg]

more accomplished in what way
Really?
6 SEC Division titles in 15 seasons. 2 SEC Titles. An AP #2 season. 145-51 record at UGA with over 80 SEC wins. A 9-5 bowl record at UGA. Only 1 season in 15 with less than 8 wins, and 9 seasons of 10 wins or more. That’s far more than Gus will ever do. And that’s after 2 Nattys and 7 ACC titles in 10 years as OC at FSU.

[Dawg61]

Really?
6 SEC Division titles in 15 seasons. 2 SEC Titles. An AP #2 season. 145-51 record at UGA with over 80 SEC wins. A 9-5 bowl record at UGA. Only 1 season in 15 with less than 8 wins, and 9 seasons of 10 wins or more. That’s far more than Gus will ever do. And that’s after 2 Nattys and 7 ACC titles in 10 years as OC at FSU.

Richt's buyout was $4 mill. 15 seasons is a long time to always lose the most important game of the year. It was good bread but the bread had started to go stale.

[TUSK]

What are you talking about broseph? I'm talking about acquiring something as opposed to paying a gigantic bill. Someone is a hell of a lot more likely to pay for getting a Saban or Jimbo than they are to pay the bill to get rid of Gus. That's just as human nature as it gets with massive money investments.

"broseph"... LOL... I'm gonna borrow that... I LIKE!

What I mean is that in order for AU to hire an elite coach, they'll have to buyout Gus first... therefore that cost is loaded in to the cost of making said "elite" hire...

I understand your argument that "no one ever will pay a ~$30M buyout". I just believe that given certain circumstances, it will happen....

[Quaoarsking]

Georgia fired Mark Richt and he was far more acccomplished than Gus.

Richt's final AP rankings at Georgia:
22, 3, 7, 7, 10, 23, 2, 13, NR, NR, 18, 5, NR, 9, NR

I don't think his last 5-7 were better than Gus's tenure at Auburn (2, 22, NR, 24, 10, ?)


For comparison, Les Miles at LSU: 6, 3, 1, NR, 17, 8, 2, 13, 14, NR, 16, [fired midseason]

[ShotgunDawg]

"broseph"... LOL... I'm gonna borrow that... I LIKE!

What I mean is that in order for AU to hire an elite coach, they'll have to buyout Gus first... therefore that cost is loaded in to the cost of making said "elite" hire...

I understand your argument that "no one ever will pay a ~$30M buyout". I just believe that given certain circumstances, it will happen....

If & I mean if they could make a Saban type hire, it would be worth it, but who is that guy?

What coach is out there that you'd pay that much for?

Maybe Pete Carroll if he wanted out of Seattle?

Urban after he quits?

Dabo & Jimbo ain't leaving. Shaw & Peterson aren't leaving.

Gonna call Bob Stoops out of retirement? Maybe Gary Patterson is ready for a change?

You paying $38 mil for Gundy?

Who is worth it?

Paying 38 mil to hire the Troy coach or the Memphis coach seems stupid

[TUSK]

If & I mean if they could make a Saban type hire, it would be worth it, but who is that guy?

What coach is out there that you'd pay that much for?

Maybe Pete Carroll if he wanted out of Seattle?

Urban after he quits?

Dabo & Jimbo ain't leaving. Shaw & Peterson aren't leaving.

Gonna call Bob Stoops out of retirement? Maybe Gary Patterson is ready for a change?

You paying $38 mil for Gundy?

Who is worth it?

Paying 38 mil to hire the Troy coach or the Memphis coach seems stupid

Exactly... I don't expect AU to follow LSU's template...the most important thing is IDing a qualified, elite candidate... after that, the money is meaningless... now, who that is, I don't know.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Isn't Tim cook an alum? Dude is worth billions.

[Dawg61]

Exactly... I don't expect AU to follow LSU's template...the most important thing is IDing a qualified, elite candidate... after that, the money is meaningless... now, who that is, I don't know.

There is no better candidate than Gus when you factor in the $38 mill. Auburn can buy a lot of 5* OL/RB/QB with 38 mill. Fix the holes in the personnel and suddenly Gus looks like a great coach again. Cause he is. Why blow up the house cause the sink leaks and you don't like the paint job in the kitchen.

[BrunswickDawg]

Is there a program in America other than Auburn that would fire a coach after this 6-year stretch? I mean, I know their fans think they are superior enough never to have to "suffer" through a 7-5 - type year or whatever they'll end up being this year, but I think Ohio State and Alabama would give a coach another year after finishing ranked 4 times in 6 seasons, with a national champion appearance and conference title:



Auburn Tigers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_Tigers_football) (Southeastern Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)) (2013–present)


2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
12–2
7–1
T–1st (Western)
L BCS NCG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_BCS_National_Championship_Game)†
2
2


2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
8–5
4–4
T–4th (Western)
L Outback (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Outback_Bowl)
23
22


2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
7–6
2–6
7th (Western)
W Birmingham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Birmingham_Bowl_(December))




2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
8–5
5–3
T–2nd (Western)
L Sugar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Sugar_Bowl)†
22
24


2017 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
10–4
7–1
T–1st (Western)
L Peach (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Peach_Bowl_(January))†
12
10


2018 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
4–3
1–3






Auburn:
49–25
26–18



Total:




Richt's final AP rankings at Georgia:
22, 3, 7, 7, 10, 23, 2, 13, NR, NR, 18, 5, NR, 9, NR

I don't think his last 5-7 were better than Gus's tenure at Auburn (2, 22, NR, 24, 10, ?)


For comparison, Les Miles at LSU: 6, 3, 1, NR, 17, 8, 2, 13, 14, NR, 16, [fired midseason]


Les was definitely up there. The question was, name another school that would fire a coach with a record like Gus'. Fact is UGA and LSU have both done it recently. The point wasn't about which coach was better.
Les definitely had a better 6 seasons than Gus. Richt's last 6 seasons were at least very close to on par - and he had a better overall body of work than Gus does.

Either way - both schools fired winners.
Les won a higher % of games then any coach in LSU history - and is 2nd in wins.
Richt won a higher % of games then any coach in UGA history - and is 2nd in wins.

Gus isn't even in AU's top 5 in winning % - Tuberville, Dye, and Bowden all won at a better clip.

[Dawg61]

In order to fire Gus, Auburn has to have an elite coach already lined up as a replacement and there simply isn't an elite coach on the planet willing to take on Saban 365 days a year in his own state. Auburn gonna somehow lure the LA Rams coach to leave sunny Hollywood to coach in Auburn, Alabama cause that's about the only coach under the age of 50 whose better than Saban in the entire football world. There might and it's a big might be 5 total coaches living that are better than Saban and they all reside in the NFL where they can draft players, buy free agents and don't have to kiss any teenagers ass to come play football for them. Once Auburn realizes there's nothing they can do but just ride out the Saban storm like the rest of us they will probably think of some better things to use $38 mill for. I'm surprised they are still this delusional in thinking they can just buy another coach to make them better able to compete against Saban. Gus has actually beaten Saban a couple of times while aTm just spent $80 mill to hire a guy that most likely won't beat Saban one single time.

[Jack Lambert]

So the current AD did not make this contract but the President of the school did?

[MedDawg]

Is there a program in America other than Auburn that would fire a coach after this 6-year stretch? I mean, I know their fans think they are superior enough never to have to "suffer" through a 7-5 - type year or whatever they'll end up being this year, but I think Ohio State and Alabama would give a coach another year after finishing ranked 4 times in 6 seasons, with a national champion appearance and conference title:



Auburn Tigers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_Tigers_football) (Southeastern Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)) (2013?present)


2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
12?2
7?1
T?1st (Western)
L BCS NCG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_BCS_National_Championship_Game)?
2
2


2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
8?5
4?4
T?4th (Western)
L Outback (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Outback_Bowl)
23
22


2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
7?6
2?6
7th (Western)
W Birmingham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Birmingham_Bowl_(December))




2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
8?5
5?3
T?2nd (Western)
L Sugar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Sugar_Bowl)?
22
24


2017 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
10?4
7?1
T?1st (Western)
L Peach (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Peach_Bowl_(January))?
12
10


2018 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Auburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Auburn_Tigers_football_team)
4?3
1?3






Auburn:
49?25
26?18



Total:



If you turn that into a 5-year stretch, then yeah. After the end of this season, he could end up with an overall losing SEC record over the past 5 years. His one good year in the past 5 ended with a bowl loss to UCF. Now, I wouldn't fire a State coach for that, especially if he had us in the NC game 6 years ago, but Auburn might.


Auburn Tigers (Southeastern Conference) (2014?present)
2014 Auburn 8?5 4?4 T?4th (Western) L Outback 23 22
2015 Auburn 7?6 2?6 7th (Western) W Birmingham
2016 Auburn 8?5 5?3 T?2nd (Western) L Sugar? 22 24
2017 Auburn 10?4 7?1 T?1st (Western) L Peach? 12 10
2018 Auburn 4?3 1?3
Auburn: 37?23 19?17
Total:

[ShotgunDawg]

In order to fire Gus, Auburn has to have an elite coach already lined up as a replacement and there simply isn't an elite coach on the planet willing to take on Saban 365 days a year in his own state. Auburn gonna somehow lure the LA Rams coach to leave sunny Hollywood to coach in Auburn, Alabama cause that's about the only coach under the age of 50 whose better than Saban in the entire football world. There might and it's a big might be 5 total coaches living that are better than Saban and they all reside in the NFL where they can draft players, buy free agents and don't have to kiss any teenagers ass to come play football for them. Once Auburn realizes there's nothing they can do but just ride out the Saban storm like the rest of us they will probably think of some better things to use $38 mill for. I'm surprised they are still this delusional in thinking they can just buy another coach to make them better able to compete against Saban. Gus has actually beaten Saban a couple of times while aTm just spent $80 mill to hire a guy that most likely won't beat Saban one single time.

Yup.

Coaches that are better than Nick Saban on the the planet:

Bill Belichick
Andy Reid
Sean Payton
Tom Coughlin - Yes I believe he is
Urban Meyer - Not better at sustaining a program, but better in one game situations


Coaches that COULD be better than Nick Saban but we don't have enough info yet

Sean McVay
Mike Zimmer
Pete Carroll
Dabo Swinney

[TrapGame]

If they lose to the bears I fully expect heads to explode and dumb decisions to be made.

[Dawg2003]

I think Auburn is one of the least desirable jobs in the SEC because the expectation is to win a national championship. But they have to compete with Bama and UGA in recruiting and playing them every year. It's not a good position to be in.

[BeardoMSU]

If they lose to the bears I fully expect heads to explode and dumb decisions to be made.

Also, expect the OM fanboys to go to Defcon-Obnoxious.**

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DarkFlippantBrocketdeer-size_restricted.gif

[Cooterpoot]

Dabo Swinney is nowhere close to Saban.

[BeardoMSU]

Dabo Swinney is nowhere close to Saban.

Dabo is a Hugh Freeze that wins more and keeps evidence of his strange off his university issued phone...

[TrapGame]

Dabo is a Hugh Freeze that wins more and keeps evidence of his strange off his university issued phone...

Speaking of Hugh. I'd put money on him being the OC at Auburn if they hire another head coach. With Cord Sandberg there he'd have another dual threat phenom to make him look like a guru again.

[DancingRabbit]

Speaking of Hugh. I'd put money on him being the OC at Auburn if they hire another head coach. With Cord Sandberg there he'd have another dual threat phenom to make him look like a guru again.

I could see Gus trying to hire him. Shake-up is more likely than a firing, with that buyout.

But if Saban was prevented from even hiring him as an analyst, I think it's going to take more than 1 year with the Arizona Hotshots to clean the stink off. Makes me wonder if Tom Mars held some stuff back and let Sankey know.

[TrapGame]

I could see Gus trying to hire him. Shake-up is more likely than a firing, with that buyout.

But if Saban was prevented from even hiring him as an analyst, I think it's going to take more than 1 year with the Arizona Hotshots to clean the stink off. Makes me wonder if Tom Mars held some stuff back and let Sankey know.

They are buds so that's not out of the question. If Mars held something back that damning I'd be shocked. If it's that bad he could have buried om for a decade or more.

[hacker]

Video shows Jeremy Pruitt calling out Auburn's plays pre-snap

https://247sports.com/college/tennessee/Article/Tennessee-Vols-Auburn-Tigers-Video-shows-Jeremy-Pruitt-calling-out-Auburns-plays-pre-snap-123440207/

[Dawg61]

Cool video but I don't think it shows Pruitt calling their plays. Sounds like he said "Baylen cover your guy".

[TrapGame]

Cool video but I don't think it shows Pruitt calling their plays. Sounds like he said "Baylen cover your guy".

That's what I hear too.

[TUSK]

Cool video but I don't think it shows Pruitt calling their plays. Sounds like he said "Baylen cover your guy".

Check out all the empty seats in the first ~15 rows.... That's what I found most noticeable for it to be tight, SEC Home game...

[civildawg]

Check out this piece of info from I?m assuming Brandon marcello:


Insider Notes From BM 247:Posted on 10/8/18 at 4:13 pm 72 I was going to save some of this for 3 things I know, 3 things I think on Wednesday, but why wait? Below are a few items I'm hearing from inside the locker room and others close to the program. If you don't want to hear some bad news, look away. I'm not hearing a lot of positive things inside the locker room, so click away if you'd rather go along your day without hearing what players are thinking in private. - There is animosity in the locker room. Some defensive players have not been fans of Jarrett Stidham for nearly a year, and while that's not affecting play, obviously, the locker room features a lot of quiet corners, if that makes sense. Some players are playing for themselves, though the defense has managed to come together unit by unit, and are held together by Deshaun Davis and Marlon Davidson. The offense isn't the only unit with issues with chemistry, so I want to make that clear, and so did one of my sources.

- Chip Lindsey calls the plays and they're filtered through Gus Malzahn. Simple. Players know it and they think it's strange, leading to some unfavorable opinions of the head coach among players on both sides of the ball.

- Right or wrong, some players don't like Jarrett Stidham's happy, go-lucky attitude. He was smiling wide and skipping around outside the locker room after the game, prompting some parents and players to shake their head and grumble. Stidham is disconnected from the team, save for a few close friends, and a lot of the defensive players are not happy with him, his performances and his attitude. He shows leadership on game days, but the players don't see a killer instinct and his words ring hollow to several offensive players, and it's bothering the defensive players from afar.

- Several players are discussing departures after this season. Malzahn is being criticized privately by a handful of players inside the locker room, which isn't uncommon for any program, but the whispers are audible grumbles this season -- and have been for most of the year.

- Several receivers are frustrated with Stidham. Several offensive linemen want to leave if they believe they can be drafted in the middle rounds of the NFL Draft, but inserting my own opinion here, who exactly is going to be drafted from that offensive line? - Simply put, there's dissension, albeit quiet, but it's growing and it's clouding the thoughts and actions of players at practice and on game days. There's not a player on offense everyone turns to for guidance, and while the offensive line has been an absolute mess, Stidham has done himself no favors in the eyes of the players. - Malzahn is unaware of these opinions in his own locker room. Again, that's what's happening in the locker room. I'm just sharing what I've been told by several people. I'm not taking sides and I'm certainly not altering what is being told to me. My thoughts:

- I'll be surprised if Chip Lindsey doesn't look for a way out after this season. - Several players will leave the program if something drastic doesn't change with the atmosphere of the program.

- Accountability is an issue. There needs to be more action rather than talk, in the locker room and in the coaches' offices. If anything, there probably actually needs to be an airing of grievances among coaches and players in a team meeting. What's happening now is not constructive and is bordering on cancerous. My thoughts... Stidham is a transfer who knows he'll play on Sundays. No surprise to me the locker room is looking at him as an outsider and "privileged". Afterall his father-in-law is the CEO of the Houston Rockets. I'm sure Malik, maybe even Gatewood think they could do better and are making a stir with some of their comments. I do agree that Chip will be gone after this season. Instead of being "fired" he will be told to shop around so it doesn't look bad on the university. What i'm unsure of is if Gus will bite the bullet and hire someone outside of his comfort zone or go with another person that will agree to run his offense. Someone like a Eliah Drinkwitz. It will be hard to get an elite OC when candidates look at what happened to Chip and Rhett If things don't improve with the team I could see Stidham grad transferring (assuming he's graduated or on track to) somewhere near Texas closer to his family and fiance'. I wouldn't fault him at all. He would be awesome at TTech / Okie State This isn't groundbreaking news from BM he eluded to it weeks ago but didn't come out at say it. I wish he had kept this in his pocket or just kept beating around the bush. Not a good look for the program

[TUSK]

tick, tick, tick...

[TUSK]

Flea'd from Jay G Tate via tRant (I bolded some of it):

Auburn is a mess right now. People always figure everything has to do with the football's team's 4-3 record, and that's certainly a news-maker in its own right, but it's more complicated than a football coach struggling to win football games. This really is a fable that starts with a maverick university president who chose to saddle, champion and celebrate Gus Malzahn's contract extension last winter. He did this against pointed advice that he lay low — advice dispensed by long-time Auburn people who have seen many coaching regimes fall apart despite strong appearances and strong tailwinds. Yet Leath starred in his own parade anyway. And now he's in a precarious position. Does he double down on his bet that Malzahn will be worth $49 million over seven years? Or does he offer forth a "New Phone Who Dis" and cut Malzahn at the knees knowing that the coach is owed $32 million?

It's a tough call. People with whom we've conferred aren't sure which road Leath would travel if pressed into action. See, he's really invested in this situation because he feels the pressure. Yes, everyone knows he was a central figure in The Great Malzahn Contract Debacle, though he had at least tacit support from well-regarded members of the Board of Trustees, and that debacle may cost the university a whole lot of money. There's more. Leath is unpopular on the academic side for various reasons. Everyone over there keeps talking about cost overruns associated with renovations at the president's mansion, renovations he's been overseeing, and other issues of lesser financial impact and spectacle. Leath also appears to be unpopular with the BOT for reasons I can't quite enumerate in this space. Frankly, I'm still getting up to speed on that stuff.

Still, I've never seen an Auburn president so loathed from all sides.

My opinion? His seat is at least as hot as Malzahn's.

My opinion? At least one of these men, Leath or Malzahn or both, will not be employed by Auburn University come Dec. 1.

A lot can happen between today (Oct. 17) and that random deadline I just created for effect. If Auburn loses this game at Ole Miss, which certainly is possible, Malzahn may get fired within a few days. I'd consider that a likely scenario, in fact. If Auburn wins the game in Oxford, well, I'm not sure if that changes much considering the team still has some major challenges ahead with A&M, Georgia and Alabama. From where I sit, a win against Ole Miss merely changes the timeline of an event that, honestly, feels like a foregone conclusion right now. I see no evidence of meaningful support for Malzahn at this stage. Nobody appears to have his back. Nobody is clamoring for patience. Nobody believes in Malzahn.

So what will Leath do and when will he do it?

Considering his own pressures, I believe he'll make the move that gives him the best chance to save his own job. I'm not sure what that will be — I'm still getting up to speed on that — but my gut tells me that Leath will try to string this thing out as long as possible. Why? Anything that keeps him from eating a $32 million buyout seems prudent.

There is another angle, however. Auburn may contend that it will not pay Malzahn $32 million as expected. Auburn may find ways to influence Malzahn to accept less than $32 million, though I find that difficult to envision given Malzahn's unyielding personality. But let's be honest with each other: Auburn can be a savage, cutthroat place. We've seen it many times. We saw it on Oct. 23, 1998, when Terry Bowden was cut loose with a month remaining in the season. (That 20-year anniversary is just days away!) We saw it in 2003 when Auburn officials covertly discussed Tommy Tuberville's job with Bobby Petrino while Tuberville still was employed. We saw it in 2012 when Gene Chizik was cut loose a couple years after winning a national title. And here we are again in 2018. Auburn wants to elude a $32 million payout and if past is prologue, Auburn will, in fact, elude a $32 million payout.

Treachery doesn't have to be illegal. Or even immoral.

If Auburn feels like it can make a defensible case to whittle down that buyout, I believe that fact will impact Leath's thinking when it comes to making a call on Malzahn. In that case, he'll be more likely to remove Malzahn and can say, with a straight face, that it won't cost the university a mound of money.

[BrunswickDawg]

There are few certainties in life. Death, taxes, and once every 6 years The Barn turns into dumpster fire.

[dawgday166]

There are few certainties in life. Death, taxes, and once every 6 years The Barn turns into dumpster fire.

Once every 3 years ... 2012, 2015, 2018.

[BrunswickDawg]

Once every 3 years ... 2012, 2015, 2018.

I didn't count 2015 since Gus didn't get fired - but hey, the more 5 alarm dumpsters the better. Can throw 2003 on that list for the Petrino fiasco, 1998 Terry Bowden mid-season firing, Pat Dye dead man walking in 1992.

AU is Ole Miss with actual success. Their Board of Trustees and Big Donors meddle way too much in football. They are good at landing quality coaches and players, but their mercenary players run the asylum and it blows up in their faces with regularity.

[Johnson85]

Flea'd from Jay G Tate via tRant (I bolded some of it):

Auburn is a mess right now. People always figure everything has to do with the football's team's 4-3 record, and that's certainly a news-maker in its own right, but it's more complicated than a football coach struggling to win football games. This really is a fable that starts with a maverick university president who chose to saddle, champion and celebrate Gus Malzahn's contract extension last winter. He did this against pointed advice that he lay low — advice dispensed by long-time Auburn people who have seen many coaching regimes fall apart despite strong appearances and strong tailwinds. Yet Leath starred in his own parade anyway. And now he's in a precarious position. Does he double down on his bet that Malzahn will be worth $49 million over seven years? Or does he offer forth a "New Phone Who Dis" and cut Malzahn at the knees knowing that the coach is owed $32 million?

It's a tough call. People with whom we've conferred aren't sure which road Leath would travel if pressed into action. See, he's really invested in this situation because he feels the pressure. Yes, everyone knows he was a central figure in The Great Malzahn Contract Debacle, though he had at least tacit support from well-regarded members of the Board of Trustees, and that debacle may cost the university a whole lot of money. There's more. Leath is unpopular on the academic side for various reasons. Everyone over there keeps talking about cost overruns associated with renovations at the president's mansion, renovations he's been overseeing, and other issues of lesser financial impact and spectacle. Leath also appears to be unpopular with the BOT for reasons I can't quite enumerate in this space. Frankly, I'm still getting up to speed on that stuff.

Still, I've never seen an Auburn president so loathed from all sides.

My opinion? His seat is at least as hot as Malzahn's.

My opinion? At least one of these men, Leath or Malzahn or both, will not be employed by Auburn University come Dec. 1.

A lot can happen between today (Oct. 17) and that random deadline I just created for effect. If Auburn loses this game at Ole Miss, which certainly is possible, Malzahn may get fired within a few days. I'd consider that a likely scenario, in fact. If Auburn wins the game in Oxford, well, I'm not sure if that changes much considering the team still has some major challenges ahead with A&M, Georgia and Alabama. From where I sit, a win against Ole Miss merely changes the timeline of an event that, honestly, feels like a foregone conclusion right now. I see no evidence of meaningful support for Malzahn at this stage. Nobody appears to have his back. Nobody is clamoring for patience. Nobody believes in Malzahn.

So what will Leath do and when will he do it?

Considering his own pressures, I believe he'll make the move that gives him the best chance to save his own job. I'm not sure what that will be — I'm still getting up to speed on that — but my gut tells me that Leath will try to string this thing out as long as possible. Why? Anything that keeps him from eating a $32 million buyout seems prudent.

There is another angle, however. Auburn may contend that it will not pay Malzahn $32 million as expected. Auburn may find ways to influence Malzahn to accept less than $32 million, though I find that difficult to envision given Malzahn's unyielding personality. But let's be honest with each other: Auburn can be a savage, cutthroat place. We've seen it many times. We saw it on Oct. 23, 1998, when Terry Bowden was cut loose with a month remaining in the season. (That 20-year anniversary is just days away!) We saw it in 2003 when Auburn officials covertly discussed Tommy Tuberville's job with Bobby Petrino while Tuberville still was employed. We saw it in 2012 when Gene Chizik was cut loose a couple years after winning a national title. And here we are again in 2018. Auburn wants to elude a $32 million payout and if past is prologue, Auburn will, in fact, elude a $32 million payout.

Treachery doesn't have to be illegal. Or even immoral.

If Auburn feels like it can make a defensible case to whittle down that buyout, I believe that fact will impact Leath's thinking when it comes to making a call on Malzahn. In that case, he'll be more likely to remove Malzahn and can say, with a straight face, that it won't cost the university a mound of money.

Auburn better have some PIs looking for dirt on Malzahn or hope that he is ready to move somewhere else. I know they can afford the buyout, but that's still real money. And as people have noted, who are they going to get that's such a good bet? They are going to have to offer a big time guaranteed number to whoever they get because of how quick they are on the trigger.

[BB30]

The amount of money involved with coaches now is insane.

When Jackie Sherrill took the job in 1990 his base salary was $75,000 dollars. He was only making 270K at A&M.

[Lance Harbor]

Does Tim Cook care about football?


Jimmy Rane is worth bout $600-700M and Yellawood/GSW generates bout $1B in annual revenue....

$32M ain't shite to him and Cook (and buddies) if it means being competitive in state...

[TUSK]

Does Tim Cook care about football?

I dunno, buddy, but that effer Rane does...