Mullen Here 9 Years, & Never Developed A Head Coach Candidate

[ShotgunDawg]

I think this is almost as incredible as Moorhead trying to fix an offense that didn't need to be fixed.

How is it that Dan Mullen was at MSU for 9 years & never produced anything close to an offensive head coach?

Urban Meyer produced Mullen, Herman, Ryan Day, Addazio, etc & Mullen produced nothing.

After 9 years of successful football, MSU should've had an assistant that was ready take over yet there was absolutely no one.

I just find that odd.

[TNDawg35]

Knox would be as close as it comes. I thought he did an excellent job at the bowl game. I find it about as ironic as how many d coordinators he had. I just wish we could have really kept Grantham.

[Cooterpoot]

Hev for HC!

[Political Hack]

Hud.

[Really Clark?]

Nm

[ShotgunDawg]

Hud.

He would be the closest but was only here one year & wasn't really a Mullen guy

[msstate7]

Collins

[ShotgunDawg]

Nm

I said "offensive head coach"

Additionally, he left & went to Florida before going to Temple. Doesn't fit the criteria

Basically, Mullen never developed a Protege which is odd.

[ShotgunDawg]

Collins

Damn, would you guy read what I wrote?

[msstate7]

I said "offensive head coach"

Additionally, he left & went to Florida before going to Temple. Doesn't fit the criteria

Basically, Mullen never developed a Protege which is odd.

Sorry

[smootness]

Probably because he was the one calling plays most years, but technically he did produce Hudspeth. He had been a HC at North Alabama, but I would count that.

And I think Brian Johnson will be a HC eventually.

The only two OCs he's had are Koenning (who was never going to be a HC candidate) and the Gonzales/Hevesy co-team, and everyone knows they're not calling plays or anything.

He just hasn't set it up that way, it's not that he can't produce coaches.

[Really Clark?]

I said "offensive head coach"

Additionally, he left & went to Florida before going to Temple. Doesn't fit the criteria

Basically, Mullen never developed a Protege which is odd.

That’s why I deleted my post

[smootness]

He would be the closest but was only here one year & wasn't really a Mullen guy

He was there for 2.

[TrapGame]

He would be the closest but was only here one year & wasn't really a Mullen guy

I thought he was here two years, '09 and '10.

[Jack Lambert]

He will not be at Florida nine years. They will not put up with some of his bone head decisions and I don't see him beating GA. GA will be his Alabama and he will not win the East and if he isn't winning the East in three years he is gone.

[BrunswickDawg]

Probably because he was the one calling plays most years, but technically he did produce Hudspeth. He had been a HC at North Alabama, but I would count that.

And I think Brian Johnson will be a HC eventually.

The only two OCs he's had are Koenning (who was never going to be a HC candidate) and the Gonzales/Hevesy co-team, and everyone knows they're not calling plays or anything.

He just hasn't set it up that way, it's not that he can't produce coaches.

I don't know if you can call hud part of the Mullen "coaching twig". He went 44-17 at UNA and won 3 conference titles. We were a stepping stone. If Hud had stuck here for 4-5 seasons and then moved on, I think you could.

And, if it is true that Hud was forced on Mullen, then you really can't count it.

[TrapGame]

I don't know if you can call hud part of the Mullen "coaching twig". He went 44-17 at UNA and won 3 conference titles. We were a stepping stone. If Hud had stuck here for 4-5 seasons and then moved on, I think you could.

And, if it is true that Hud was forced on Mullen, then you really can't count it.

From what I gather Mullen and Hud were like oil and water. To say they didn't get along was an understatement.

[fader2103]

Tony Hughes.....oops just re read. You mentioned offensive

[smootness]

I don't know if you can call hud part of the Mullen "coaching twig". He went 44-17 at UNA and won 3 conference titles. We were a stepping stone. If Hud had stuck here for 4-5 seasons and then moved on, I think you could.

And, if it is true that Hud was forced on Mullen, then you really can't count it.

I didn't realize there were stipulations on this.

But Mullen's been a HC for 9 years. He left Meyer after 8, and he was the first one from that 'tree'. So is it really all that unusual either way?

We're also using one of the best college HCs ever as a comparison. Why? Is the argument that Mullen =/= Meyer? Because that is obvious.

[ShotgunDawg]

I didn't realize there were stipulations on this.

But Mullen's been a HC for 9 years. He left Meyer after 8, and he was the first one from that 'tree'. So is it really all that unusual either way?

We're also using one of the best college HCs ever as a comparison. Why? Is the argument that Mullen =/= Meyer? Because that is obvious.

Urban Meyer Coaching Tree:

Mike Vrabel
Dan Mullen
Kyle Wittingham
Charlie Strong
Tom Herman
Steve Addazio
DJ Durkin
Ryan Day

[smootness]

Urban Meyer Coaching Tree:

Mike Vrabel
Dan Mullen
Kyle Wittingham
Charlie Strong
Tom Herman
Steve Addazio
DJ Durkin
Ryan Day

Well, you said offensive, so strike Vrabel, Whittingham, Strong, and Durkin. Mullen was the 1st offensive guy.

And again, this is Urban Meyer. His last two stops have been Florida and Ohio State. Of course he's produced head coaches. Why, exactly, are we comparing Mullen to him?

[ShotgunDawg]

Well, you said offensive, so strike Vrabel, Whittingham, Strong, and Durkin. Mullen was the 1st offensive guy.

And again, this is Urban Meyer. His last two stops have been Florida and Ohio State. Of course he's produced head coaches. Why, exactly, are we comparing Mullen to him?

I was just listing Urban's coaching tree. If you want to include Collins, that's fine. Doesn't really change the overall point

I'm just comparing him to Meyer to make a point that after 9 years, it's frustrating that Mullen never produced 1 coach that was remotely ready of capable of taking over for him.

[msstate7]

Urban Meyer Coaching Tree:

Mike Vrabel
Dan Mullen
Kyle Wittingham
Charlie Strong
Tom Herman
Steve Addazio
DJ Durkin
Ryan Day

How many offensive in first 9 years?

[ShotgunDawg]

How many offensive in first 9 years?

Addazio & Mullen

Wittingham, Strong, & Durkin were also in the first 9 years but were defensive

[msstate7]

Addazio & Mullen

Wittingham, Strong, & Durkin were also in the first 9 years but were defensive

2 to Mullen's 1. 5 overall to Mullen's 3

[sandwolf]

Probably because he was the one calling plays

This. He is the OC on his teams.

[thf24]

He just hasn't set it up that way, it's not that he can't produce coaches.

Well he never will if he's the defacto OC and he keeps his capped out buddies in the executive spots. So by nature of the way he sets things up, he can't produce offensive coaches. Brian Johnson will have to serve under someone else as a real OC at a high profile program before he gets his shot.

[ShotgunDawg]

2 to Mullen's 1. 5 overall to Mullen's 3

Who are Mullen's?

[BrunswickDawg]

I didn't realize there were stipulations on this.

But Mullen's been a HC for 9 years. He left Meyer after 8, and he was the first one from that 'tree'. So is it really all that unusual either way?

We're also using one of the best college HCs ever as a comparison. Why? Is the argument that Mullen =/= Meyer? Because that is obvious.

I think when most people think of a coaching tree, you think of coaches who moved through the ranks with someone and then move up to their own team. Mullen was with Meyer for a long time. Moved from ND to Bowling Green, to Utah, to UF. Or, you think of a longer-tenured OC or DC who learns from their HC and then moves up. Dan didn't really produce either in my book. Hud was brought in by our AD because he liked him. Collins, you could maybe argue since he went from co-DC, to DC. Even then, he had already been a successful DC at UCF. Collins worked for O'Leary 3 different times at 2 schools as a GA, Recruiting Coord., and DC. That's what I think of when I think of a coaching tree.

[msstate7]

Who are Mullen's?

Hud, Collins, and hughes

[ShotgunDawg]

Hud, Collins, and hughes

LOL. OK

[msstate7]

LOL. OK

I guess there were other stipulations.

[smootness]

I'm just comparing him to Meyer to make a point that after 9 years, it's frustrating that Mullen never produced 1 coach that was remotely ready of capable of taking over for him.

Why is that frustrating?

[StateDawg44]

Yeah who really cares?

[Really Clark?]

Urban Meyer Coaching Tree:

Mike Vrabel
Dan Mullen
Kyle Wittingham
Charlie Strong
Tom Herman
Steve Addazio
DJ Durkin
Ryan Day

See some of those I don?t put under his coaching tree like Charlie Strong. He was already a DC and developed philosophy years prio. Was a well thought of up and comer long before staying on with Urban

[Tbonewannabe]

He will not be at Florida nine years. They will not put up with some of his bone head decisions and I don't see him beating GA. GA will be his Alabama and he will not win the East and if he isn't winning the East in three years he is gone.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Jack Lambert again.

[Tbonewannabe]

Why is that frustrating?

Because everyone bitching that Cohen went out and hired the top offensive Coordinator in college football, if we hired Mullen's right hand guy then at least we would be running the exact same offense. If Mullen would have had someone that was ready to take over then it is a lot smoother transition. It might have still led to a 3-2 record but then you at least eliminate the problem of trying to install a different offense.

[StateDawg44]

Meh.... that's just as hypothetical but makes some sense.

[msstate7]

Because everyone bitching that Cohen went out and hired the top offensive Coordinator in college football, if we hired Mullen's right hand guy then at least we would be running the exact same offense. If Mullen would have had someone that was ready to take over then it is a lot smoother transition. It might have still led to a 3-2 record but then you at least eliminate the problem of trying to install a different offense.

Penn st is better offensively this season without Barkley, gesicki, and Moorhead. Perhaps joe wasn't as great as thought. Rahne and franklin haven't missed him at all

[Really Clark?]

Penn st is better offensively this season without Barkley, gesicki, and Moorhead. Perhaps joe wasn't as great as thought. Rahne and franklin haven't missed him at all

It has more to do with having a great QB in his 3rd year in the same system. Franklin is not the cog in that either. And they scored 14 pts more vs Ohio St last year.

[Tbonewannabe]

Penn st is better offensively this season without Barkley, gesicki, and Moorhead. Perhaps joe wasn't as great as thought. Rahne and franklin haven't missed him at all

They have arguably the best QB in the country in the same system. Rahne is running JoMo's system, not something new. This tells me that maybe JoMo should let someone call plays from the booth instead of trying to do it all himself. Not many head coaches can be successful calling all of the plays. Auburn actually improved when Gus quit calling the plays.

[dawgday166]

Y'all gotta remember that Mullen went to FL and took his whole staff. That helps a good bit. Moorhead hired guys from all over ... and not sure all of them are good fits.