JoMo on completion percentage

[BulldogBear]

Heard part of sound byte on Wyatt this morning.

Basically he was saying that 65% is the goal but that would not get in the way of scoring and winning. IOW if we need to run to win we are going to run and forget about any other agendas.

So no more BS like the end of the Bama game last season and no coming out with 11 straight passes to start a 2nd half when the other guys can't stop the run.

[Dawg61]

Not to damper your positivity here but that's not what he means. In short he's saying he doesn't give a 17 about completion % as long as they are scoring and winning. He actually said in the PC that the balance has been slightly run heavy and his preference is more 50/50 split.

This backups what I was saying about so many bitching about the completion %. It's like bitching about a baseball team's batting average that leads the league in runs scored. Completion % and batting average don't matter when you're scoring a ton of points/runs. They are fancy stats that look good for award shows, the draft and all-american teams. They don't necessarily translate to wins though.

[confucius say]

Why is our fan base so preoccupied with completion percentage all of the sudden? Bc it's the one thing we can bitch about? Who gives a flip.

[Tbonewannabe]

It also depends on if you are throwing 5 yard passes or 30 yard passes. We are attempting more down field throws so the % is skewed down some. It also doesn't help that Fitz didn't have a warm up game. He looked better in the 2nd half.

[Political Hack]

Heard part of sound byte on Wyatt this morning.



So no more BS like the end of the Bama game last season and no coming out with 11 straight passes to start a 2nd half when the other guys can't stop the run.

I still can't get past that.

[mstatefan91]

Why is our fan base so preoccupied with completion percentage all of the sudden? Bc it's the one thing we can bitch about? Who gives a flip.
You answered yourself

[gravedigger]

Not to damper your positivity here but that's not what he means. In short he's saying he doesn't give a 17 about completion % as long as they are scoring and winning. He actually said in the PC that the balance has been slightly run heavy and his preference is more 50/50 split.

This backups what I was saying about so many bitching about the completion %. It's like bitching about a baseball team's batting average that leads the league in runs scored. Completion % and batting average don't matter when you're scoring a ton of points/runs. They are fancy stats that look good for award shows, the draft and all-american teams. They don't necessarily translate to wins though.

Absolutely

[gravedigger]

Why is our fan base so preoccupied with completion percentage all of the sudden? Bc it's the one thing we can bitch about? Who gives a flip.

Because, to enter into the SECCG and win and then proceed to be competitive in the playoffs, we will have to get up to that 65% to keep defenses honest. Joe knows this but he's in no hurry to force it. What works is what we should do. If teams wont stop our high percentage successful runs, we will continue to run. But, unlike Dan, Joe knows he cannot sustain that vs defenses that can out man us inside the box.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Points score one of the two things that matter. The other is points allowed.

We will have to pass to win a game this year eventually. Might as well bitch and complain about it now weeks ahead of time, because that is all we can bitch about. If Fitz completes 70% this week, then the West is more likely than if he barely hits 40% again.

Fitz is going to be 55%+ this week. Multiple deep passes. Guidry will score multiple this week. Mark it down. Onto winning the west.

[confucius say]

Because, to enter into the SECCG and win and then proceed to be competitive in the playoffs, we will have to get up to that 65% to keep defenses honest. Joe knows this but he's in no hurry to force it. What works is what we should do. If teams wont stop our high percentage successful runs, we will continue to run. But, unlike Dan, Joe knows he cannot sustain that vs defenses that can out man us inside the box.

No we don't. We don't have to complete 65% of passes to win the west and make the playoff. That is ridiculous and we need to stop listening to whatever media and our rival fan base that is saying that.

[Liverpooldawg]

No we don't. We don't have to complete 65% of passes to win the west and make the playoff. That is ridiculous and we need to stop listening to whatever media and our rival fan base that is saying that.

We do have to get out of the 40s. We are going to start seeing stacked boxes reall soon if we don't.

[TUSK]

Heard part of sound byte on Wyatt this morning.

Basically he was saying that 65% is the goal but that would not get in the way of scoring and winning. IOW if we need to run to win we are going to run and forget about any other agendas.

So no more BS like the end of the Bama game last season and no coming out with 11 straight passes to start a 2nd half when the other guys can't stop the run.

You're not alone... Bammer did the same damn thing in that game... Maddening.

[Dawg61]

We do have to get out of the 40s. We are going to start seeing stacked boxes reall soon if we don't.

Then the defense would be fools cause we are averaging 22 yards a completion and almost a touchdown every 3rd time we catch it. They will be making our passing game even more lethal than it already is. You guys are getting blinded by completion % and aren't looking at the high efficiency of yards and touchdowns through the air right now despite the low completion rate.

[TrapGame]

Then the defense would be fools cause we are averaging 22 yards a completion and almost a touchdown every 3rd time we catch it. They will be making our passing game even more lethal than it already is. You guys are getting blinded by completion % and aren't looking at the high efficiency of yards and touchdowns through the air right now despite the low completion rate.

Yeah, I get it. The passes we are connecting with are more likely to be big play passes.

[Todd4State]

Then the defense would be fools cause we are averaging 22 yards a completion and almost a touchdown every 3rd time we catch it. They will be making our passing game even more lethal than it already is. You guys are getting blinded by completion % and aren't looking at the high efficiency of yards and touchdowns through the air right now despite the low completion rate.

Um....a higher completion percentage equals even more big plays. I'd say completion percentage is an extremely relevant stat for us.

The thing about it is- think about what 1999 MSU could have done with a better and more efficient offense through the air. Yes, that was a great season but not being a complete team is why that team didn't go undefeated. It's very important that we are a complete team so that we can reach our ceiling.

[Cooterpoot]

It's the sabermetrics of football.

[Liverpooldawg]

Then the defense would be fools cause we are averaging 22 yards a completion and almost a touchdown every 3rd time we catch it. They will be making our passing game even more lethal than it already is. You guys are getting blinded by completion % and aren't looking at the high efficiency of yards and touchdowns through the air right now despite the low completion rate.

I hope you aren't considering the SFA game in those stats. Surely you know what we were playing then?

[Dawg61]

Um....a higher completion percentage equals even more big plays.

This is totally false. You can throw 40 bubble screens and have a pretty spectacular completion percentage with almost zero big plays. You can also throw 40 hail mary's and have a terrible completion percentage yet score 7 tds from it.

[gravedigger]

No we don't. We don't have to complete 65% of passes to win the west and make the playoff. That is ridiculous and we need to stop listening to whatever media and our rival fan base that is saying that.

Our coach is saying that

[Johnson85]

Um....a higher completion percentage equals even more big plays. I'd say completion percentage is an extremely relevant stat for us.

The thing about it is- think about what 1999 MSU could have done with a better and more efficient offense through the air. Yes, that was a great season but not being a complete team is why that team didn't go undefeated. It's very important that we are a complete team so that we can reach our ceiling.

Not really. One of the reasons we have such a low completion rate is that we are taking so many shots down field. Not sure how much of that is because that's what the reads are telling us and how much of that is Moorhead pushing us to go downfield.

We need to connect on enough deep shots that it is not a good play for people to play us 1 on 1 on the outside. Not sure what we need for that to be the case? 50%??? 55%? And then presumably we should have a better completion percentage on our other, shorter pass plays, so maybe somebody between 55% and 60% overall is enough? I think if we hit 65% being as aggressive as we've been, we'll be an 11-1 team and probably better. I would guess that if we are at 60% we'll still have a very good shot at 11-1.

[Dawg61]

Our coach is saying that

Nope. He's said he'd like our QBs to be at 65% but completion percentage always takes a back seat to scoring tds and wins. As it should.

[gravedigger]

This is totally false. You can throw 40 bubble screens and have a pretty spectacular completion percentage with almost zero big plays. You can also throw 40 hail mary's and have a terrible completion percentage yet score 7 tds from it.

But our coach has already stated his intentions. He qualified that by stating that as long as the run keeps us in control of a game he will stay with what works.

But certainly you are not naive enough to believe we are going to be able to do this to Auburn, Bama or Georgia.

You do remember those games last year, right?

[BulldogBear]

Our coach is saying that

Yes. What I meant in the OP is that it's good to know we are not going to obsess about a Stat or agenda and do what it takes to win the game.

If the passing isn't going that great but we're cramming it down a school's with the run game.... then we're going to go with what's working and not try to prove how balanced we are.

[gravedigger]

Nope. He's said he'd like our QBs to be at 65% but completion percentage always takes a back seat to scoring tds and wins. As it should.

So the architect of this offense uses that number, and you are suggesting he just pulled that number out of the sky?

[Dawg61]

So the architect of this offense uses that number, and you are suggesting he just pulled that number out of the sky?

Watch his PC. He specifically stats in it that the benchmark of 65% takes a back seat to scoring tds and wins. The architect of the offense values tds and wins over completion percentage. I am wondering when the rest of y'all are gonna start following his lead.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=dTSSDTYolZ8

[confucius say]

Our coach is saying that

Not joe Moorhead. That's actually the exact opposite what he said. Paraphrasing, completion percentage doesn't mean crap. It's all about productivity. If you go for 3-10 for 250 yards and 2 TD, who gives a crap.

Completion percentage is one of the most overrated stats in sports unless you are running a dan Mullen ball control offense. We are trying to bebthe golden state of football.

[confucius say]

Watch his PC. He specifically stats in it that the benchmark of 65% takes a back seat to scoring tds and wins. The architect of the offense values tds and wins over completion percentage. I am wondering when the rest of y'all are gonna start following his lead.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=dTSSDTYolZ8

Thank you.

[gravedigger]

Watch his PC. He specifically stats in it that the benchmark of 65% takes a back seat to scoring tds and wins. The architect of the offense values tds and wins over completion percentage. I am wondering when the rest of y'all are gonna start following his lead.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=dTSSDTYolZ8

Correct and for the record, are you suggesting that auburn and bama and Georgia are going to allow us to remain at the current pass completion percentage?

[gravedigger]

Not joe Moorhead. That's actually the exact opposite what he said. Paraphrasing, completion percentage doesn't mean crap. It's all about productivity. If you go for 3-10 for 250 yards and 2 TD, who gives a crap.

Completion percentage is one of the most overrated stats in sports unless you are running a dan Mullen ball control offense. We are trying to bebthe golden state of football.

He is stating why he wasn?t concerned about it due to how the competition played us in the first two games.

Now if you are suggesting that we will not have to improve that because we aren?t going to be forced to throw, I just can?t help you.

[Dawg61]

Correct and for the record, are you suggesting that auburn and bama and Georgia are going to allow us to remain at the current pass completion percentage?

I'd expect it'll be higher vs those teams as they will be keyed up to stop our rushing attack. We are 8th in the country in rushing right now. Those teams will force us to throw it to beat them by stacking the box with 7-8 guys thus freeing up more space for our receivers. This isn't a bad thing as we are averaging 22 yards a completion and a touchdown on every 3rd catch. The completion % is only going to improve as Fitz and the receivers get more comfortable in this new offense. Once we burn them a couple times deep they will be forced to abandon their initial game plan thus freeing up space for Hill and Fitz to run it.

[Dawg61]

He is stating why he wasn?t concerned about it due to how the competition played us in the first two games.

Now if you are suggesting that we will not have to improve that because we aren?t going to be forced to throw, I just can?t help you.

Nobody stays at 40% for the entire year. That's like throwing 10 walks a game as a starter. Eventually you start finding the strike zone. The history of football suggests there's no way possible we will stay this low of a rate for the rest of the year. Fitz isn't gonna only throw 40% forever. Our pets heads are not falling off.

[dawgday166]

If you want an SEC title and a Natty it do matter.

It's not so much the completion percentage, it's who it was against and how our passing offense has looked against the 2 teams we've played. If we had beaten Bama with a 40% completion rate I'd be ecstatic. But that ain't who we beat and the odds are approaching infinity that we would have a chance beating them with that low a percentage. And I'll be shocked if Kylin will run for 200 against any of those teams unless we can make them pay for it downfield.

A lot of this is probably QBs, the WRs, and the Oline still getting adjusted the the new offense. That's ok for now. But they need to tighten it up and be at least above 50% to beat Bama, AU, LSU, and TAM, and possibly Ga. We ain't just gonna line up and block 8 in the box from those teams and win ... no matter what anyone on here wants to believe. We have to be able to beat them downfield and regardless of what anyone thinks, our WRs won't be able to hang out downfield somewhere and catch a pass like it's a punt against those teams and trot into the end zone. Those teams don't blow many coverages like that.

We also need WRs making plays like TAM's long haired dude did the other night, cause Bama's DBs will literally, physically be hanging on them the whole time they are running their routes. Those DBs are very fast, very physical 5* players too. And the refs won't call crap about it either.

The wins have been good tho. We'll take it, move on, and hopefully keep improving with each game and stay injury free.

[TXDawg]

Guys, it’s both. Moorhead has said that there are things we need to work on to get better and to meet the Championship Standard (penalties, substitutions, passing game). He’s also said that within a given game, he’s going to focus on what is working and do what we need to do to win. These ideas are not mutually exclusive.

Take these two examples:

In the second half against SFA, we were up by 30+ and dominating the game, but had not thrown the ball well. Moorhead took the opportunity in that game to get some live action reps passing the ball (we were fairly pass heavy for a while in the 2nd half of that game).

However, in the second half of the KSU game, there was a point where we needed a TD drive to pull away and put the game away. We executed drive that lasted 8-10 plays and threw ZERO passes.

Moorhead knows what we need to do to meet his Championship Standard, but he’s not going to put us in a position to lose a game just to meet his metrics. I think sometimes Dan was more interested in meeting a metric or projecting a certain “team persona” than he was with doing what we need to do to win a particular game. Moorhead has demonstrated that he doesn’t think that way and I, for one, am happy about that.

[Commercecomet24]

Guys, it’s both. Moorhead has said that there are things we need to work on to get better and to meet the Championship Standard (penalties, substitutions, passing game). He’s also said that within a given game, he’s going to focus on what is working and do what we need to do to win. These ideas are not mutually exclusive.

Take these two examples:

In the second half against SFA, we were up by 30+ and dominating the game, but had not thrown the ball well. Moorhead took the opportunity in that game to get some live action reps passing the ball (we were fairly pass heavy for a while in the 2nd half of that game).

However, in the second half of the KSU game, there was a point where we needed a TD drive to pull away and put the game away. We executed drive that lasted 8-10 plays and threw ZERO passes.

Moorhead knows what we need to do to meet his Championship Standard, but he’s not going to put us in a position to lose a game just to meet his metrics. I think sometimes Dan was more interested in meeting a metric or projecting a certain “team persona” than he was with doing what we need to do to win a particular game. Moorhead has demonstrated that he doesn’t think that way and I, for one, am happy about that.

Great post and dead on accurate! This ain't dan calling the plays to show everyone how smart he is. Joe is interested in one thing: winning! Very refreshing!

[BulldogBear]

Great post and dead on accurate! This ain't dan calling the plays to show everyone how smart he is. Joe is interested in one thing: winning! Very refreshing!

Right!

His idea of proving something is winning not trying to be an offensive guru.

If he can win going 50/50 with 65% commpletions that's what he will do.

If he can win going 80/20 run with a 49% completion rate then that's what he'll do.

[Todd4State]

This is totally false. You can throw 40 bubble screens and have a pretty spectacular completion percentage with almost zero big plays. You can also throw 40 hail mary's and have a terrible completion percentage yet score 7 tds from it.

Except that no one ever does that because the defense would figure it out on the fourth or fifth bubble screen.

[Todd4State]

Not really. One of the reasons we have such a low completion rate is that we are taking so many shots down field. Not sure how much of that is because that's what the reads are telling us and how much of that is Moorhead pushing us to go downfield.

We need to connect on enough deep shots that it is not a good play for people to play us 1 on 1 on the outside. Not sure what we need for that to be the case? 50%??? 55%? And then presumably we should have a better completion percentage on our other, shorter pass plays, so maybe somebody between 55% and 60% overall is enough? I think if we hit 65% being as aggressive as we've been, we'll be an 11-1 team and probably better. I would guess that if we are at 60% we'll still have a very good shot at 11-1.

But the thing is we're not JUST running go routes and post routes the whole time. We have plenty of built in shorter passes and those are typically higher percentage passes that allow the percentage to creep up.

[TUSK]

I dunno what JoMos philosophy is, or what the consensus is here, but, I do know this:

A 40% completion rate is gonna get you steamrolled vs big time teams.

I’d think the 60-65% (& ~10ypa) is where y’all need to be to make a legit run vs good Ds.

[BayouDawg]

Except that no one ever does that because the defense would figure it out on the fourth or fifth bubble screen.

Unless said defensive coordinator is peter Sirmon... sorry couldnt resist

[Dawg61]

I dunno what JoMos philosophy is, or what the consensus is here, but, I do know this:

A 40% completion rate is gonna get you steamrolled vs big time teams.

I’d think the 60-65% (& ~10ypa) is where y’all need to be to make a legit run vs good Ds.

It's been two games. Everyone freaking out cause our number 4 hitter is only hitting .200 (4-20) with 4 grand slams to start the season. We are 8th in the country in rushing, 14th in offense and 11th in defense. Meanwhile Penn State has dropped to 74th in the country in offense while playing App State and Pitt.

[Dawg61]

Except that no one ever does that because the defense would figure it out on the fourth or fifth bubble screen.

Hugh Freeze once threw the same bubble screen five times in a row. The point is you can throw pus$y dink and dunk check down charlie passes all day long and have a stellar Sam Bradford completion percentage and you'll lose doing so. Worrying about completion percentage over TD efficiency and pass yardage per completion is like worrying about the low amount of slap singles you had compared to the league leading extra base hits you've got.

[ShotgunDawg]

I dunno what JoMos philosophy is, or what the consensus is here, but, I do know this:

A 40% completion rate is gonna get you steamrolled vs big time teams.

I’d think the 60-65% (& ~10ypa) is where y’all need to be to make a legit run vs good Ds.

We actually only need to be 60% or so in the games vs good Ds. What we do in other games makes no difference.

Additionally, if we were to complete 90% of our passes vs everyone but the good Ds & only 40% against the good Ds, the 90% would not matter.

[TUSK]

We actually only need to be 60% or so in the games vs good Ds. What we do in other games makes no difference.

Additionally, if we were to complete 90% of our passes vs everyone but the good Ds & only 40% against the good Ds, the 90% would not matter.

That?s exactly what I meant. 40% vs a legit D is an ?L?, regardless what the seasonal numbers are.

And, the sample size is way to small for Fitz at 1 game post injury.

[Todd4State]

Hugh Freeze once threw the same bubble screen five times in a row. The point is you can throw pus$y dink and dunk check down charlie passes all day long and have a stellar Sam Bradford completion percentage and you'll lose doing so. Worrying about completion percentage over TD efficiency and pass yardage per completion is like worrying about the low amount of slap singles you had compared to the league leading extra base hits you've got.


Yeah- Hugh Freeze never won anything at Ole Miss with that offense.**


The 49ers entire 1980's dynasty was built around an offense that was high percentage passes. They only won five Super Bowls doing that.


Your entire point is a strawman. Again no one throws 40 bubble screens in a row. No one throws 40 Hail Mary's in a row. As usual when you are wrong you just get completely ridiculous to try to save face.


Joe is not going to throw 40 Hail Mary's a game. It just isn't happening. He's known for his RPO's which are typically shorter throws.


I mean, if it's important to our coach to set 65% as a benchmark in the offseason I would think that would be good enough for most people. It's not like people just pulled that number out of their ass one day.

[Todd4State]

That?s exactly what I meant. 40% vs a legit D is an ?L?, regardless what the seasonal numbers are.

And, the sample size is way to small for Fitz at 1 game post injury.

You are exactly right. It's not about beating Kansas State or Stephen F Austin. It's about what we need to do to beat SEC teams.

[Dawg61]

Um....a higher completion percentage equals even more big plays.

I'll keep going with you for a week if you prefer captain. Admit you're wrong. Do it. Do it bruh. A higher completion percentage does not necessarily mean more big plays. Here's another example for you. DeAndre Jordan shoots a higher fg% than Steph Curry. Which one makes more 3's?

[dawgday166]

It's been two games. Everyone freaking out cause our number 4 hitter is only hitting .200 (4-20) with 4 grand slams to start the season. We are 8th in the country in rushing, 14th in offense and 11th in defense. Meanwhile Penn State has dropped to 74th in the country in offense while playing App State and Pitt.

Not freaking out and won't if we never get to 50%. Will just realize we won't win 10 or 11 that way.

I'm also not going "woo hoo, Kylin is the next Hershel Walker and will break all the SEC records" or "Key is going to break all the MSU records". Not going there yet. Not sure how you can say that they're "on track" for X amount of yds and production based off of playing the 2 teams we've played. That's just idiotic to say that. *

[Dawg61]

Not freaking out and won't if we never get to 50%. Will just realize we won't win 10 or 11 that way.

I'm also not going "woo hoo, Kylin is the next Hershel Walker and will break all the SEC records" or "Key is going to break all the MSU records". Not going there yet. Not sure how you can say that they're "on track" for X amount of yds and production based off of playing the 2 teams we've played. That's just idiotic to say that. *

I'm confident that Fitz will end the season with a higher than 50% completion rate. The 6 days in between football games are insufferable at times on this board and that isn't directed towards you at all dawgday166.

[dawgday166]

I'm confident that Fitz will end the season with a higher than 50% completion rate. The 6 days in between football games are insufferable at times on this board and that isn't directed towards you at all dawgday166.

I understand that I do. I'm pretty confident Fitz will be pretty decent too. Just as an aside ... Fitz didn't have great numbers against Bama last year. Was over 50% tho. Bout same against AU too I believe. Not Ga tho I don't think. Got waxed by those 2 teams.

ETA: If Fitz puts in the work and can get to where he can make the right reads and also the throws Dak can now make (but couldn't his RS Jr year), his pro potential will be through the roof.

[TUSK]

I'll keep going with you for a week if you prefer captain. Admit you're wrong. Do it. Do it bruh. A higher completion percentage does not necessarily mean more big plays. Here's another example for you. DeAndre Jordan shoots a higher fg% than Steph Curry. Which one makes more 3's?

Damn, I just thought you were a deficient poster on the other board...

Have you tried the Bovine Scatology forum?

[Todd4State]

I'll keep going with you for a week if you prefer captain. Admit you're wrong. Do it. Do it bruh. A higher completion percentage does not necessarily mean more big plays. Here's another example for you. DeAndre Jordan shoots a higher fg% than Steph Curry. Which one makes more 3's?

If I'm wrong why don't you give an actual tangible apples to apples realistic football example Mr. Insecure? And 40 Hail Mary's in a row is not a realistic football example.

But hey- maybe you're right and Bill Walsh and Joe Moorhead have been wrong the whole time.**


Your whole stance is that by completing fewer passes we are going to score more points than we would if we completed more passes.


Here's some people that understand it better than you.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r6udb4LNcw

[TUSK]

If I'm wrong why don't you give an actual tangible apples to apples realistic football example Mr. Insecure? And 40 Hail Mary's in a row is not a realistic football example.

But hey- maybe you're right and Bill Walsh and Joe Moorhead have been wrong the whole time.**


Your whole stance is that by completing fewer passes we are going to score more points than we would if we completed more passes.


Here's some people that understand it better than you.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r6udb4LNcw

I have it on good authority that Bammer actually has a cheetah breeding facility within the bowels of Bryant Dennyhe Stadium:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG3_kC5Gxv0

[Todd4State]

I have it on good authority that Bammer actually has a cheetah breeding facility within the bowels of Bryant Dennyhe Stadium:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG3_kC5Gxv0

I wish we could have taped a cheetah to Tyler Russell's back.

[Dawg61]

And 40 Hail Mary's in a row is not a realistic football example.

It's called a hyperbole bud. Maybe Bill Walsh can teach you that one too.

[Dawg61]

Have you tried the Bovine Scatology forum?

Have you tried the Alabama forums? Or do they only allow actual Bama grads & students on there instead of sidewalk Bama bandwagoners?

[TUSK]

Have you tried the Alabama forums? Or do they only allow actual Bama grads & students on there instead of sidewalk Bama bandwagoners?

yes.

no.

[Todd4State]

It's called a hyperbole bud. Maybe Bill Walsh can teach you that one too.

Hyperbole doesn't mean coming up with a ridiculous example to try to back up your originally terrible take.

That's called being an idiot bud.

[TUSK]

Hyperbole doesn't mean coming up with a ridiculous example to try to back up your originally terrible take.

That's called being an idiot bud.

....wait til he gets on a roll.....

[Dawg61]

Hyperbole doesn't mean coming up with a ridiculous example to try to back up your originally terrible take.

That's called being an idiot bud.

Actually a hyperbole does mean coming up with a ridiculous example. It's pretty much the definition of a hyperbole. Something so ridiculously exaggerated the derp reading it is supposed to understand it's a ridiculous example. I underestimated your derpness. And don't get confused again this is the original terrible take. Yours. Bud.


Um....a higher completion percentage equals even more big plays.

[DancingRabbit]

To quote Mick Jagger, "why are we fighting"?

To quote me from another thread when it should have gone here.


I think we're knee-jerking on this. The main thing I was worried about in the Little Apple was Nick's ankle. He looks very healthy. Thank you Sweet Baby Jesus!

First game. He seemed pretty in control for a road P5 game debut. Sure he was rusty, also the whole offense showed there's still some minor kinks with play calling, blocking calls, penalties. It's a new offense.

With this D, this OL, these running backs, WRs looking better -- JoeMo, staff and Nick will figure it out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp_jEryyND8

[Liverpooldawg]

Yeah- Hugh Freeze never won anything at Ole Miss with that offense.**


The 49ers entire 1980's dynasty was built around an offense that was high percentage passes. They only won five Super Bowls doing that.


Your entire point is a strawman. Again no one throws 40 bubble screens in a row. No one throws 40 Hail Mary's in a row. As usual when you are wrong you just get completely ridiculous to try to save face.


Joe is not going to throw 40 Hail Mary's a game. It just isn't happening. He's known for his RPO's which are typically shorter throws.


I mean, if it's important to our coach to set 65% as a benchmark in the offseason I would think that would be good enough for most people. It's not like people just pulled that number out of their ass one day.

Yep. We could have beat SFA without throwing the ball. Against the better team, probabaly starting with UK, we can't be down in the low 40s and EXPECT to win. We might win, but we better have the best D in the country and then some.

[Liverpooldawg]

It's called a hyperbole bud. Maybe Bill Walsh can teach you that one too.

You started out with that. At least I hope that's what you were doing.

[Dawg61]

Yep. We could have beat SFA without throwing the ball. Against the better team, probabaly starting with UK, we can't be down in the low 40s and EXPECT to win. We might win, but we better have the best D in the country and then some.

By no means do I want us to stay at 40%, nobody does. Not Joe not Fitz not Key nobody. But we can and will most certainly beat Kentucky if we continue to average 22 yards a completion and a touchdown every third time we catch it. We won't continue to throw at 40% just like you won't eat 5 buckets of fried chicken every day for the rest of the year. It's common sense to know we won't stay at 40%. Google every QB Joe has had to see for yourself. Is Fitz the least accurate QB that Moorhead has ever coached? Doubtful.

You guys are doing the equivalent of watching the first game of the MLB season when Kershaw got rocked for 6 runs and freaking out about it like he's going to pitch the entire season with a 6.00 era. It's been one single game for Fitz. He isn't going to end the entire season with a 40% rate. Won't happen. Sometimes QBs have inaccurate throwing games. Sometimes baseball pitchers walk 5 guys in a game. Sometimes baseball players strike out 4 times in a game. Sometimes golfers have 2 double bogeys in a round. Sometimes basketball players miss every shot they shoot. Sometimes is never all times.


You started out with that. At least I hope that's what you were doing.

Congratulations on being able to identify it. Seriously not being a dick but the comedian's jokes are never funny if the audience takes him at his literal word all the time. This is an exaggeration or hyperbole. Hellen Keller's tombstone could identify it. Not Todd4State the self proclaimed baseball "guru" though.


You can throw 40 bubble screens and have a pretty spectacular completion percentage with almost zero big plays. You can also throw 40 hail mary's and have a terrible completion percentage yet score 7 tds from it.

[Liverpooldawg]

By no means do I want us to stay at 40%, nobody does. Not Joe not Fitz not Key nobody. But we can and will most certainly beat Kentucky if we continue to average 22 yards a completion and a touchdown every third time we catch it. We won't continue to throw at 40% just like you won't eat 5 buckets of fried chicken every day for the rest of the year. It's common sense to know we won't stay at 40%. Google every QB Joe has had to see for yourself. Is Fitz the least accurate QB that Moorhead has ever coached? Doubtful.

You guys are doing the equivalent of watching the first game of the MLB season when Kershaw got rocked for 6 runs and freaking out about it like he's going to pitch the entire season with a 6.00 era. It's been one single game for Fitz. He isn't going to end the entire season with a 40% rate. Won't happen. Sometimes QBs have inaccurate throwing games. Sometimes baseball pitchers walk 5 guys in a game. Sometimes baseball players strike out 4 times in a game. Sometimes golfers have 2 double bogeys in a round. Sometimes basketball players miss every shot they shoot. Sometimes is never all times.



Congratulations on being able to identify it. Seriously not being a dick but the comedian's jokes are never funny if the audience takes him at his literal word all the time. This is an exaggeration or hyperbole. Hellen Keller's tombstone could identify it. Not Todd4State the self proclaimed baseball "guru" though.

All of your statements in this thread are off the rails man. We won't beat good teams wit our current passing game. That yards per completion stat is skewed by who we have played. The dang completion % should have been too, but it wasn't. That's what we are talking about.

[Dawg61]

All of your statements in this thread are off the rails man. We won't beat good teams wit our current passing game. That yards per completion stat is skewed by who we have played. The dang completion % should have been too, but it wasn't. That's what we are talking about.

Do you actually think Nick Fitzgerald is going to go the entire season throwing 40%? You don't so why do you keep worrying about it like you do think he's going to go the entire season only completing 40%? Worrying just to worry serves no purpose.

[Liverpooldawg]

Do you actually think Nick Fitzgerald is going to go the entire season throwing 40%? You don't so why do you keep worrying about it like you do think he's going to go the entire season only completing 40%? Worrying just to worry serves no purpose.

In this system, he might. He has never been that great at the downfield ball. Again, you need to be aware of what our new coach is all about. If we adapt, and we probabaly will have to if the QB can't hit the downfield ball, we are right back to looking at stacked boxes.

[Dawg61]

In this system, he might. He has never been that great at the downfield ball. Again, you need to be aware of what our new coach is all about. If we adapt, and we probabaly will have to if the QB can't hit the downfield ball, we are right back to looking at stacked boxes.

Says what you think of Fitz if you think he's gonna go an entire season throwing 40%. Trust the process trust the player. 22 yards a completion and a TD every 3rd one is gonna make it awfully tough for an opponent to commit to stacking the box the entire game.

[gravedigger]

What the people who are concerned are saying is that :

If he's struggling getting the percentage up, will it cost us a future game against an opponent that shuts down our running game?

How much does he have to improve to allow us to beat Auburn and Bama?

[Dawg61]

What the people who are concerned are saying is that :

If he's struggling getting the percentage up, will it cost us a future game against an opponent that shuts down our running game?

How much does he have to improve to allow us to beat Auburn and Bama?

We simply don't have a large enough sample size to determine if 40% with 14 yards a completion and 2tds passing will cost us games vs tough opponents. You'd certainly think it would but again what everyone is missing is that when he does connect it's for 14 yards on average which is a first down obviously. If 40% of your runs got you 14 yards and the other 60% got you zero yards you'd take that all day long. 40% is an ugly number no doubt about it but it's just one game and he did throw 2 tds and had over 150 yards rushing. 40% passing will always get you beat when you don't throw any touchdowns or don't make long completions. But 70% passing will get you beat also when you don't throw touchdowns and don't make long completions. Averaging 14+ yards a completion, throwing 2 tds and having over 150 yards rushing is pretty good. It's not his best but it's still pretty good. We have a run first QB guys. He's not Cam Newton in his heisman year but neither is anyone else on the planet.

[TUSK]

Says what you think of Fitz if you think he's gonna go an entire season throwing 40%. Trust the process trust the player. 22 yards a completion and a TD every 3rd one is gonna make it awfully tough for an opponent to commit to stacking the box the entire game.

While believe Fitz's completion % will certainly rise above 40, the YPA/YPC & TD/INT numbers are going to plummet...especially against the better SEC Defenses... Unless something miraculous happens.

[Liverpooldawg]

Says what you think of Fitz if you think he's gonna go an entire season throwing 40%. Trust the process trust the player. 22 yards a completion and a TD every 3rd one is gonna make it awfully tough for an opponent to commit to stacking the box the entire game.

You are just making up stuff to argue against now. Surely you don't think he is going to have a TD with every third completion all season do you?

[Dawg61]

You are just making up stuff to argue against now. Surely you don't think he is going to have a TD with every third completion all season do you?

What am I making up? You can't seem to grasp that the completions are going for big yards and we have 7 tds through the air. Completion % isn't the end all be all in football just like BAVG isn't in baseball.

[sleepy dawg]

Why is our fan base so preoccupied with completion percentage all of the sudden? Bc it's the one thing we can bitch about? Who gives a flip.

Because Ole Miss fans told them it was important.

[Dawg61]

Because Ole Miss fans told them it was important.

Anyone that actively seeks out interaction with Ole Miss fans to discuss our football team is a dumbass.

[BhamDawg205]

Let's look at this... Completion % vs FG %. Kicker is 44% 35 and out, do you trot your kicker out with confidence? Nope, that was most of Mullen's tenure. You just knew he was going to miss.
Now how many gringed last year when Fizt dropped back on a long passed? I hope like everyone else his touch has gotten or gets better, short or deep. And low completion rate also limits play calling.
Like I said, I hope passing improves as the season progresses. The defensive pressure only picks up from here.

[BrunswickDawg]

Matt Wyatt schooling everyone on the completion %BS on Twitter

https://twitter.com/radiowyatt/status/1040355344269148160?s=21
https://twitter.com/radiowyatt/status/1040366208510582785?s=21
https://twitter.com/radiowyatt/status/1040366572995588097?s=21
https://twitter.com/radiowyatt/status/1040367374518677504?s=21
https://twitter.com/radiowyatt/status/1040368019732672518?s=21
https://twitter.com/radiowyatt/status/1040369054828167169?s=21

[Dawg61]

Good stuff from Wyatt

[Liverpooldawg]

What am I making up? You can't seem to grasp that the completions are going for big yards and we have 7 tds through the air. Completion % isn't the end all be all in football just like BAVG isn't in baseball.

Do you really think every third completion we have this year will be a TD?

[Dawg61]

Do you really think every third completion we have this year will be a TD?

About as much as I think Fitz will throw 40% all year.

[ShotgunDawg]

Matt Wyatt schooling everyone on the completion %BS on Twitter

https://twitter.com/radiowyatt/status/1040355344269148160?s=21
https://twitter.com/radiowyatt/status/1040366208510582785?s=21
https://twitter.com/radiowyatt/status/1040366572995588097?s=21
https://twitter.com/radiowyatt/status/1040367374518677504?s=21
https://twitter.com/radiowyatt/status/1040368019732672518?s=21
https://twitter.com/radiowyatt/status/1040369054828167169?s=21

I realize he's a bad ass, but Kylin getting better at pass protection is a must for our passing offense. If you want help the completion percentage, that's not a bad place to start.

You can bet your ass that Florida, Auburn, and others are going to target him on blitzes.

[Liverpooldawg]

About as much as I think Fitz will throw 40% all year.

Snicker. There you go then.

[BrunswickDawg]

Snicker. There you go then.

You forgot the laughing Reagan gif

[Dawg61]

You forgot the laughing Reagan gif

For the record I'm saying I don't think there's a chance in hell Fitz ends the year under 50%. I'll guess ^55%.

[Liverpooldawg]

For the record I'm saying I don't think there's a chance in hell Fitz ends the year under 50%. I'll guess ^55%.

You really went out on a limb there, a full 10 points lower than JoMo is on the record as wanting, pretty much in line with what he has done before. Still think he winds up with a TD for every three completions?

[Dawg61]

You really went out on a limb there, a full 10 points lower than JoMo is on the record as wanting, pretty much in line with what he has done before. Still think he winds up with a TD for every three completions?

Already said no. You still think he ends up with a 40% completion rate there Mr. Worry for no reason guy?

[Liverpooldawg]

Already said no. You still think he ends up with a 40% completion rate there Mr. Worry for no reason guy?

I think he winds up with what he has always done......which means we have to run basically the same offense we have been running. Hence my thinking 8 or 9 wins. I hope he does better. The key, in this offense, is having a credible threat with the downfield ball against real defenses. If we develop that, the sky is the limit.

[Dawg61]

I think he winds up with what he has always done......which means we have to run basically the same offense we have been running. Hence my thinking 8 or 9 wins. I hope he does better. The key, in this offense, is having a credible threat with the downfield ball against real defenses. If we develop that, the sky is the limit.

We don't have the same offense as last year even if Fitz doesn't improve his completion % one bit. Biggest reason why is we don't have a huge wizard sleeve calling the plays now. 55% on all passes in Moorhead's offense is going to produce a whole lot more yards and td's than 55% in Muffin's offense. You'll figure it out eventually.

[Liverpooldawg]

We don't have the same offense as last year even if Fitz doesn't improve his completion % one bit. Biggest reason why is we don't have a huge wizard sleeve calling the plays now. 55% on all passes in Moorhead's offense is going to produce a whole lot more yards and td's than 55% in Muffin's offense. You'll figure it out eventually.

You do realize that there is a huge difference in throwing dink dunk stuff, which resulted in Fitz's 55%, and throwing it more downfield don't you? We all, except you, recognize that's his glaring weakness as a QB so far. I'll agree if Fitz throws 55% in a true downfield passing offense then we are headed for glory. I will be as happy as you will be. The difference is I'm not setting myself up to proclaim "failure" if he doesn't do something he has never done before. He is what he is. I'm ok with that.

[Dawg61]

You do realize that there is a huge difference in throwing dink dunk stuff, which resulted in Fitz's 55%, and throwing it more downfield don't you? We all, except you, recognize that's his glaring weakness as a QB so far. I'll agree if Fitz throws 55% in a true downfield passing offense then we are headed for glory. I will be as happy as you will be. The difference is I'm not setting myself up to proclaim "failure" if he doesn't do something he has never done before. He is what he is. I'm ok with that.

Once again it sounds like you don't think very highly of Fitz.