JT Ginn

[stalkingpoon]

What percentage chance do we have? He?s gonna have to turn down a lot of money. I?ve seen where he?s retweeted Mangum and Hayden Jones about where they are coming to State.

Hypothetically, if he does come, where would he fit into the picture next year?

[ejdallas322]

60% for me. He reminds me of Reid Humphreys, can hit, play any position you like him to. But he is an elite pitcher which Expect whoever the coach is next year to utilize him in that area. He possibly work to be a starter, just has to be more consistent.

[bostondawg]

He was selected 30th overall, with a slot value of $2,275,000. It would be both a miracle for us--and a disaster for the Dodgers--if he came to MSU.

[MarketingBully]

Wow 60%. If we somehow got him to campus, that changes a lot of things.

[Rick Danko]

Not to be personal but unless his family is LOADED no way he turns down first round money to come to state. Hell, I doubt he would have been drafted in first if any team thought he would go to school. Of course, I don?t know SHIT

[MarketingBully]

He was selected 30th overall, with a slot value of $2,275,000. It would be both a miracle for us--and a disaster for the Dodgers--if he came to MSU.

Yes, but that slot value is lower then his number that he wants or he will go to school. They are going to have to go way above slot value and with their draft pool they have a small margin for error to sign him.

[MarketingBully]

Do you guys read this board at all? Commerce has a good idea on how things are progressing there.

[bostondawg]

Yes, but that slot value is lower then his number that he wants or he will go to school. They are going to have to go way above slot value and with their draft pool they have a small margin for error to sign him.

Are you suggesting that the 2.275 mil number is actually lower than what he wanted? That would be incredible to me.

[I seen it dawg]

And until he chimes in with this being a few days after the draft then we don't know anything

[MarketingBully]

Are you suggesting that the 2.275 mil number is actually lower than what he wanted? That would be incredible to me.

Yes.

[bostondawg]

Yes.

Good to know. Thanks.

[msstate7]

Isn't the word that Jake and small went so late bc they were wanting a certain number? If so, I find it very hard to believe the dodgers (one of the smartest organizations in mlb) would draft a kid in the 1st if they thought there was a chance they'd lose him.

[MarketingBully]

Isn't the word that Jake and small went so late bc they were wanting a certain number? If so, I find it very hard to believe the dodgers (one of the smartest organizations in mlb) would draft a kid in the 1st if they thought there was a chance they'd lose him.

Did you read Commerce’s update when the Dodger’s took him? I’m going to find it and paste it in this thread.

[msstate7]

Did you read Commerce?s update when the Dodger?s took him? I?m going to find it and paste it in this thread.

Marketing, I love you, dude; but if you don't stop having your fingers crossed 24/7, they're gonna be permanently intertwined. JT gone

[MarketingBully]

Here’s Commerce’s answer to my question on do we still have a chance to get Ginn after the Dodgers drafted him 30th. Mind you this is a couple of days old and this information is fluid but it’s relevant here because this topic comes up all of the time. The Dodgers have the least wiggle room of any team in the draft. I may just bump that thread as well:

Commerce’s answer:

Good catch on your part. You did some research. People are gonna laugh but yeah we do, but have to see how it plays out. And I'm not indulging any fantasies as some have said about me, just speaking to what I've been told. Mike told me a couple weeks ago if he was still around at 30 the Dodgers would take a shot. They've already turned down one amount so have to see if they are willing to go higher. Just watching to see how it plays out. JT has some great advisors.I know some more but I'm not saying anything else.

[DCdawg]

If he's smart we will never see him play at the Dude.

[mparkerfd20]

Marketing, I love you, dude; but if you don't stop having your fingers crossed 24/7, they're gonna be permanently intertwined. JT gone

Can we all laugh at you if you're wrong?

[msstate7]

Can we all laugh at you if you're wrong?

Yes! I will bump all of my stupidity if he comes. I want to be the idiot here

[mparkerfd20]

Yes! I will bump all of my stupidity if he comes. I want to be the idiot here

LOL I hear ya! FWIW I think it's a very very slim chance of him coming, but a chance nonetheless.

[MarketingBully]

Marketing, I love you, dude; but if you don't stop having your fingers crossed 24/7, they're gonna be permanently intertwined. JT gone

My point has always been it hasn’t been cut and dried as he’s gone just because he was picked 30th. There are other circumstances in play. Will he go? Odds are good that he probably does go but my point is it’s probal 60/40 he goes and not 100%. Now us not having a coach and the uncertainty there may end up pushing him to sign. I don’t know. But I have really enjoyed Commerce’s knowledge on the subject and you can tell it’s a tough decision for JT as I believe he is true MSU all the way.

[Bully13]

If he's smart we will never see him play at the Dude.

Thankfully he's smarter than you and is carefully weighing his life's options before deciding.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Are you suggesting that the 2.275 mil number is actually lower than what he wanted? That would be incredible to me.


Yes.

Could have sworn Commerce said $2 mil was his number.

[MarketingBully]

Could have sworn Commerce said $2 mil was his number.

The higher end of $2-3 mil.

[Commercecomet24]

50/50 straight from source. Dodgers are gonna have to come up with more money if they want him, though.

[MarketingBully]

50/50 straight from source. Dodgers are gonna have to come up with more money if they want him, though.

Commerce, are they going to wait until our coach is named before the final decision or is that going to matter? I’d assume JT would want to know who his coach and pitching coach are.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

What percentage chance do we have? He?s gonna have to turn down a lot of money. I?ve seen where he?s retweeted Mangum and Hayden Jones about where they are coming to State.

Hypothetically, if he does come, where would he fit into the picture next year?

Did we need another thread?

[Johnson85]

50/50 straight from source. Dodgers are gonna have to come up with more money if they want him, though.

I suspect with that much money on the line, they'd be saying 50/50 even if he were 100% gone. Dodgers have to think he is a credible threat to go to college, so can't have family friends acknowledging (or aware) that they are just angling for another couple hundred thousand.

[Commercecomet24]

Commerce, are they going to wait until our coach is named before the final decision or is that going to matter? I’d assume JT would want to know who his coach and pitching coach are.

They're anxious to see who we get but It's not gonna make or break. They really want Gaetreau to stay.

[msstate7]

I suspect with that much money on the line, they'd be saying 50/50 even if he were 100% gone. Dodgers have to think he is a credible threat to go to college, so can't have family friends acknowledging (or aware) that they are just angling for another couple hundred thousand.

This was always about leverage. You can't say if I get a million I'm gone or you'd get a million. You set the number high and say you wanna play college ball

[msstate7]

They're anxious to see who we get but It's not gonna make or break. They really want Gaetreau to stay.

Who is his agent?

[MarketingBully]

This was always about leverage. You can't say if I get a million I'm gone or you'd get a million. You set the number high and say you wanna play college ball

But JT legitimately wants to play college ball. LA either hits their number or he’s going to college. It’s as simple as that. TCU got a high school kid two years ago drafted in the first round because the team continued to low ball him and he wanted to play college ball. He went to college. It’s rare but it does happen.

[confucius say]

They're anxious to see who we get but It's not gonna make or break. They really want Gaetreau to stay.

Same

[LC Dawg]

If that kid turns down over $2M I hope everything works out for him because that would be damn hard to do unless your family is very comfortable.

[Commercecomet24]

2-3 million is a ton of money no doubt but here's something most of you are not considering that the Ginn's are. JT wants to play college baseball, he can come here for 2 years play in a better environment than the low minors and be a top 5-10 pick which will be worth 3-4 times more than that 2-3 million. Food for thought. Not as cut and dried as some think.

[Johnson85]

2-3 million is a ton of money no doubt but here's something most of you are not considering that the Ginn's are. JT wants to play college baseball, he can come here for 2 years play in a better environment than the low minors and be a top 5-10 pick which will be worth 3-4 times more than that 2-3 million. Food for thought. Not as cut and dried as some think.

How many years are MLB rookie contracts for? Is that $2M over a 5 year deal? 6 year deal? Or what?

Just curious. $2M over a 4 year deal and he should still be able to have $1M banked in four years, which while not exactly set for life, is getting most of the heavy lifting done before age 23. $2M over a 6 year deal is still incredible but obviously very different.

[msstate7]

How many years are MLB rookie contracts for? Is that $2M over a 5 year deal? 6 year deal? Or what?

Just curious. $2M over a 4 year deal and he should still be able to have $1M banked in four years, which while not exactly set for life, is getting most of the heavy lifting done before age 23. $2M over a 6 year deal is still incredible but obviously very different.

Isn't it just a signing bonus? Think so, and they get paid whatever the milb players get paid. If he isn't called up in 5 years, he becomes a FA. If he does make it to mlb, a team has control for 6 or 7 years before he becomes a FA. Once you make it to mlb, there's obviously a big raise to whatever the minimum is these days

I'm no expert on contracts, so I could have messed that up a little

[stalkingpoon]

How many years are MLB rookie contracts for? Is that $2M over a 5 year deal? 6 year deal? Or what?

Just curious. $2M over a 4 year deal and he should still be able to have $1M banked in four years, which while not exactly set for life, is getting most of the heavy lifting done before age 23. $2M over a 6 year deal is still incredible but obviously very different.

I think, 5 years to get called up from minors, or they get to leave and sign with another team. Once they make the majors, 3-4 years pre-arbitration (close to league minimum in most cases) then the next few years its arbitrated. After that they can sign as a free agent or sign with team.

[stalkingpoon]

Dodgers have a little over 5.2 mil bonus slot money.

1 30 $2,275,800
2 68 $917,000
3 104 $538,800
4 134 $402,300
5 164 $300,600
6 194 $233,800
7 224 $184,200
8 254 $155,300
9 284 $143,600
10 314 $136,800
Totals $5,288,200

If they under sign one of these guys they can offer more money to someone else. If they go over 5% of pool money they pay a 75% tax on the overage amount.

[ETDawg]

7 yrs.

If you retire, quit, etc before 7 years then you have to pay it back pro-rata.

[Johnson85]

7 yrs.

If you retire, quit, etc before 7 years then you have to pay it back pro-rata.

Really. Damn. If someone doesn't live up to expectations and it's obvious in year 4 or 5 they're not making it, do teams make them grind it out in the shittiest A league? Or do they basically let it go as long as they've played a few years?

A $150k signing bonus for a 10th round player is really worthless, if they only get ~$64k if they realize they're not good enough after 3 years.

[Johnson85]

Dodgers have a little over 5.2 mil bonus slot money.

1 30 $2,275,800
2 68 $917,000
3 104 $538,800
4 134 $402,300
5 164 $300,600
6 194 $233,800
7 224 $184,200
8 254 $155,300
9 284 $143,600
10 314 $136,800
Totals $5,288,200

If they under sign one of these guys they can offer more money to someone else. If they go over 5% of pool money they pay a 75% tax on the overage amount.

If they dont' sign, they lose that slot money for this year. When they get a pick next year, does that pick come with the same slot money? and so give them a bigger total? Or what?

[ETDawg]

It does not carry over. it starts afresh with 2019 #'s which normally are a little more than previous year's.

[Johnson85]

It does not carry over. it starts afresh with 2019 #'s which normally are a little more than previous year's.

So the get a compensatory pick, but they get zero extra money to alot to it? That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

[stalkingpoon]

If they don't sign they lose that slot money, however if they under sign a player they can use his slot money on someone else. See the Astros and Correa a few years back.


Penalties: Here are the penalties that are assessed to clubs that pay bonuses over their allotted bonus pool.

0- 5% over- 75% tax on the overage

5- 10% over- 75 % tax on the overage and loss of the team?s first round pick the next year

10- 15% over- 100% tax on the overage and loss of the team?s first and second round picks next year

More than 15% over- 100% tax on the overage, and loss of the first round picks in the next two years? drafts

[msstate7]

So the get a compensatory pick, but they get zero extra money to alot to it? That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

That's when you bend over a bunch of college seniors in rounds 6-10

[ETDawg]

I thought the compensatory pick came with some sort of slot $ also but I am not for sure about that.

[Commercecomet24]

That's when you bend over a bunch of college seniors in rounds 6-10

You got that right. A ton of guys in rounds 7-10 last year got 10k or less.

[Commercecomet24]

Isn't it just a signing bonus? Think so, and they get paid whatever the milb players get paid. If he isn't called up in 5 years, he becomes a FA. If he does make it to mlb, a team has control for 6 or 7 years before he becomes a FA. Once you make it to mlb, there's obviously a big raise to whatever the minimum is these days

I'm no expert on contracts, so I could have messed that up a little

That's right give or take a little.

[basedog]

That's right give or take a little.

Have a granddaughter who attends Brandon, said JT won all kind of academic awards the other day.

Kid from what one hear will be very successful whatever he chooses to pursue. Very smart kid.

[Tbonewannabe]

You got that right. A ton of guys in rounds 7-10 last year got 10k or less.

The players union needs to fix that. MLB team should be obligated to pay at least within 50% of whatever the slot is. No other professional league screws over draftees like MLB.

[Commercecomet24]

Have a granddaughter who attends Brandon, said JT won all kind of academic awards the other day.

Kid from what one hear will be very successful whatever he chooses to pursue. Very smart kid.

Yeah extremely intelligent and mature beyond most teenagers(and some adults). Been raised right too. Impressive young man.

[biggun]

So there is hope!!!!, a whopping .000000001% chance we ever see him set foot on Dudy Noble field!
Basically a done deal!!!************

[Commercecomet24]

The players union needs to fix that. MLB team should be obligated to pay at least within 50% of whatever the slot is. No other professional league screws over draftees like MLB.

I was shocked when I looked at slot value and then what most of the guys past the first 6 rounds actually got. They got em by the short hairs and it's messed up.

[Tbonewannabe]

I was shocked when I looked at slot value and then what most of the guys past the first 6 rounds actually got. They got em by the short hairs and it's messed up.

And they also pay about minimum wage for a while in the minors no matter when you are drafted.

[Commercecomet24]

And they also pay about minimum wage for a while in the minors no matter when you are drafted.

Yeah it's not an easy life in the low minors unless you're a big bonus baby. The later round picks that make it definitely pay their dues and then some.

[ETDawg]

The later rounds picks are normally (always) there so the higher draft picks with have enough teammates to have a team.

[Commercecomet24]

The later rounds picks are normally (always) there so the higher draft picks with have enough teammates to have a team.

Had a buddy that I played with was one of those guys. He said they called them "fillers" lol. He lasted 2 years as a filler, then became a fireman.

[Tbonewannabe]

Had a buddy that I played with was one of those guys. He said they called them "fillers" lol. He lasted 2 years as a filler, then became a fireman.

I had a friend that was drafted in the 36th round. He bounced between the Rangers and Reds farm system for about 2 years then played independent one year before becoming a teacher.

[basedog]

Yeah extremely intelligent and mature beyond most teenagers(and some adults). Been raised right too. Impressive young man.

Are you involved with any travel teams? I have someone of interest that is playing for two teams. Been invited to a few National Tournaments. Still very young.

[JoseBrown]

Same

Same same. I really hope we are able to keep Gautreau.

[CadaverDawg]

Saw on Twitter where JT & Mangum have had some back and forth. I like the way that looks

[Commercecomet24]

Are you involved with any travel teams? I have someone of interest that is playing for two teams. Been invited to a few National Tournaments. Still very young.

I did for about 20 years but I retired from it 2 years ago when my youngest became a freshman. I turned him over to Matt Millers program out of hburg and just being a dad now. I miss coaching a lot. Had some really good talent over the years.

[Bully13]

Saw on Twitter where JT & Mangum have had some back and forth. I like the way that looks

good sign or is JT trolling the Dodgers for more coin?

[CadaverDawg]

good sign or is JT trolling the Dodgers for more coin?

I think it's a good sign. JT retweeted Jake's announcement that he's coming back, and gave a HailState or something...and then Jake said "I better see you up here next year" and something about Rankin county, and JT retweeted it. I may be reading more into the kid, but he seems to really want the MSU, SEC, and overall college baseball experience. We'll see.

[MarketingBully]

I think it's a good sign. JT retweeted Jake's announcement that he's coming back, and gave a HailState or something...and then Jake said "I better see you up here next year" and something about Rankin county, and JT retweeted it. I may be reading more into the kid, but he seems to really want the MSU, SEC, and overall college baseball experience. We'll see.

Yes, he does want to play college ball and he loves MSU. I also for the life of me don’t understand why people don’t think he can improve his stock by going to college. He had the best fastball in the draft and one of the best sliders in the draft. That isn’t going to go away in two years. If he came to college and we hired someone like say Butch Thompson who tutored the number 1 pick in the draft in Casy Mize I could see him improve his stock to the top 3 easy. The kid tops out at 98-99 on his fastball with movement. Thompson could teach him a third pitch and in two years teams could look at him as a bonfide starter with making the show in a lot less time as well.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

What percentage chance do we have? He?s gonna have to turn down a lot of money. I?ve seen where he?s retweeted Mangum and Hayden Jones about where they are coming to State.

Hypothetically, if he does come, where would he fit into the picture next year?

The folks on Twitter practically begging him to come to State is downright pathetic.

[ShotgunDawg]

good sign or is JT trolling the Dodgers for more coin?

My guess is a little of both. I think he's torn personally.

I usually believe kids should follow their heart because that is where they will have the most success. It's not really a huge deal for the Dodgers, because, if they don't sign him, they get that pick again next years since the top 50 or so picks are potected

Although Nick Lodolo did turn down being a top 50 pick & 1.75 million 2 years ago to attend TCU.

I just don't think the Dodgers would've taken Ginn without feeling pretty good about their ability to sign him

[HaggardDawg]

I love MSU baseball as much as anybody, but if he doesn?t take that $2.5MM, someone is not advising him well.

[MarketingBully]

The folks on Twitter practically begging him to come to State is downright pathetic.

I didn’t see too many people begging him to come to State but so what. It’s what fans do and the kids love it.

[smootness]

We have 0 chance. He gone.

[Bully13]

The folks on Twitter practically begging him to come to State is downright pathetic.

Not nearly as pathetic as you are.