Small and Mangum

[preachermatt83]

Through 6 rounds Small and Mangum are still undrafted. We are getting down to around 200k in slot. I'm expecting to see them both strongly consider coming back. Most felt both would be higher.

[Tbonewannabe]

Small still has leverage next year and he can come back and be a Friday night ace in the SEC. He can definitely help himself by coming back. He could probably easily double whatever he gets this year with a strong showing next year.

[Martianlander]

Small really needs another year. I'm a little surprised at Mangum, but would welcome him back.

[confucius say]

But each team has 5 to 12 million in bonus pool money that can be added to the slot of any draft pick, right? That whole deal confuses me

[KOdawg1]

I would guess that Mangum is gone. He almost went last year but decided to come back. However, if he did come back and showed some power numbers next year, then I think the sky is the limit for him. He's already got two homeruns here recently.

[dawgman15]

If magnum goes after the 8th he will be back in Starkville next year. If he is drafted in the eighth or seventh he is gone.

[preachermatt83]

We are to the point now that I'd be shocked if Small doesn't return.

[msstate7]

If magnum goes after the 8th he will be back in Starkville next year. If he is drafted in the eighth or seventh he is gone.

How would you know this? He could potentially get a larger bonus in the 10th round than the 8th, I think so anyway.

[KOdawg1]

We are to the point now that I'd be shocked if Small doesn't return.

I don't like to get my hopes up, but I agree. He could one of the best Friday night starters in the SEC next year

[Bully13]

are there any other SEC outfielders that put up similar numbers as Mangum getting the cold shoulder?

[preachermatt83]

What rounds do they go through today?

[confucius say]

What rounds do they go through today?

3-10 according to twitter. Not sure if accurate.

[Big4Dawg]

Good thing they are coming back because our recruiting class is getting destroyed

[confucius say]

Under 200k now on slot values.

[Anonymous]

If magnum goes after the 8th he will be back in Starkville next year. If he is drafted in the eighth or seventh he is gone.


At this point his decision has nothing to do with where he's drafted. Are you willing to spend 200-300k on returning? How much is the SEC hits record worth? That's really it, he either wants to forfeit the money and return or he doesn't.

[Cooterpoot]

Mangum is also older. He's gone. It's not about the money with him anyway. But I'm leary of disagreeing with someone named Dawgman15 about him.

[Jack Lambert]

I don't know what more Mangum can do. Come back and become a home run hitter.

[preachermatt83]

Well we are done with round 7 now.

[preachermatt83]

If I have college eligibility left there is no way I'm selling my time in college for 200k

[MetEdDawg]

I'm just not sure what more Mangum can do. And that's as bad a spot to be in as being a senior. What more can he get better at? He's not going to hit for more power. Hard to get any better batting average than he's had. Got his speed, good enough base runner, plus defender. Edgy player that's got that swagger.

Mangum has no leverage because his skill set doesn't have much more developing to do. He is what he is and teams know that. But they also know Mangum knows that. He's stuck because of that and teams will use that to their advantage.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

If I have college eligibility left there is no way I'm selling my time in college for 200k

That's the whole point behind leaving when you have leverage though, right? He can say "the 200k just isn't enough to forgo my senior year" and maybe get more as a signing bonus. Next year you take the slot money or walk away from baseball. That's why people only come back when they really think they can improve their draft stock significantly

[msstate7]

That's the whole point behind leaving when you have leverage though, right? He can say "the 200k just isn't enough to forgo my senior year" and maybe get more as a signing bonus. Next year you take the slot money or walk away from baseball. That's why people only come back when they really think they can improve their draft stock significantly

Plus if he has aspirations of playing mlb one day, he pretty much has to go this year imo. He's 22. He's proven he can hit SEC pitching. Now he has to prove he can hit A+, AA, and hopefully AAA. He will have to be an exceptional defensive CF and continue to really hit

[Dawg61]

If Mangum comes back he needs to hit up Roger Clemens over the summer**

[msstate7]

If Mangum comes back he needs to hit up Roger Clemens over the summer**

Lol

[preachermatt83]

We are into round 9 now.

[OneArmSteve]

If anyone cares -- Elih Marrero taken by Boston - 8th rd pick 250

[Dawg61]

If anyone cares -- Elih Marrero taken by Boston - 8th rd pick 250

Lol his cousin was starting C for the Rays a couple games this year

[preachermatt83]

Kendall rogers thinks Jake comes back

[dawgman15]

He is coming back, book it.

[msstate7]

Kendall rogers thinks Jake comes back

Wow. This would be awesome for us next season. Our lineup would be pretty much be set... if someone can beat one of them out, even better

[msstate7]

One thing Jake could do that could help his draft stock and help us is pitch some. He has a good arm. If I were him and coming back, I'd go to a summer league that would allow him to do both

[preachermatt83]

WE are in round 10.

[preachermatt83]

He is coming back, book it.

I think so too. As well as small.

[RocketDawg]

Through 6 rounds Small and Mangum are still undrafted. We are getting down to around 200k in slot. I'm expecting to see them both strongly consider coming back. Most felt both would be higher.

I certainly thought Mangum would be drafted fairly high. He's small, but he's also fast. I guess the scouts just didn't like what they saw.

[Todd4State]

Sometimes it's not always about money and being a pro. See Kramer Robertson.


I wish we had more players with more pride in being a MSU Bulldog like LSU seems to have. Come back and play for a National Championship.

[Todd4State]

WE are in round 10.

It's rounds 11-15 that scare me. That's where we tend to get burned.

[Thrill1]

This is just not true. The high end guys got drafted exactly as most predicted. Carter Stewart & JT Ginn are elite first rounders. Jeremiah Jackson and Keaton Winn were high draft risks going in as well. Our signing class is 20+ deep. We?ll be fine.


Good thing they are coming back because our recruiting class is getting destroyed

[MaroonFlounder]

Will Stovall and Macnamee be back?

[Dawg61]

Sometimes it's not always about money and being a pro. See Kramer Robertson.


I wish we had more players with more pride in being a MSU Bulldog like LSU seems to have. Come back and play for a National Championship.

Maybe Pilk will come back if Mangum and Small are too. This would be reminiscent of that LSU squad's decision.

[Big4Dawg]

Well UGA and Vandy somehow kept 2 top 25 players.

[Big4Dawg]

Regi Grace drafted in 10. % change to keep him?

[ShotgunDawg]

Just loss Reggie Grace for 100K

Odd, odd, odd that a kid would bypass MSU for such little money

[Thrill1]

Regi Grace from madison central taken in the 10th by the Twins.

[ShotgunDawg]

Regi Grace drafted in 10. % change to keep him?

He likely already agreed

[Thrill1]

Grace went 304 overall. That pick signed for $132,800 in 2017. Never know what dollar amount is the trigger for some families.

[preachermatt83]

LSU getting very lucky. They gonna be stacked next year.

[ShotgunDawg]

Meanwhile, LSU lost nobody & virtually no recruits outside of Bryce Turang.

How do they do it?

We recruit at similar levels but their get to school

[ShotgunDawg]

LSU getting very lucky. They gonna be stacked next year.

It's ridiculous. Crazy amount of luck & it happens almost every year for them

[Jack Lambert]

Meanwhile, LSU lost nobody & virtually no recruits outside of Bryce Turang.

How do they do it?

We recruit at similar levels but their get to school

How$

[preachermatt83]

It's ridiculous. Crazy amount of luck & it happens almost every year for them

Yup. It's just odd

[msstate7]

Meanwhile, LSU lost nobody & virtually no recruits outside of Bryce Turang.

How do they do it?

We recruit at similar levels but their get to school

Kids committed and playing for us say they dream of playing for us. LSU commits and players say it too, but they mean it.

[Dawg61]

Meanwhile, LSU lost nobody & virtually no recruits outside of Bryce Turang.

How do they do it?

We recruit at similar levels but their get to school

Money under the table??

[Todd4State]

Just loss Reggie Grace for 100K

Odd, odd, odd that a kid would bypass MSU for such little money

I think he saw some of his friends get drafted and kind of wanted to do what his friends are doing.

[Thick]

It would help for us to have a head coach in place.

[Todd4State]

Meanwhile, LSU lost nobody & virtually no recruits outside of Bryce Turang.

How do they do it?

We recruit at similar levels but their get to school

I think it's because Louisiana players/fans/recruits value going to LSU more than our recruits value going to MSU. That's just the bottom line.


We tell our recruits that they are stupid if they don't take the money. LSU tells them that they are stupid if they don't come to LSU and win a National Title first before going to MLB. Again- we're too nice and logical for our own good.

[Todd4State]

It would help for us to have a head coach in place.

A little bit. But that's a short term problem in my eyes.

[Todd4State]

Money under the table??

You can't outbid MLB. Especially since MLB can legally offer players money.

No one has boosters that can give JT Ginn 4 million to come to MSU. And that's extreme but no one has boosters that can give Regi Grace 300-500K either.

Look at what Ole Miss was offering Leo Lewis- what was it? 10K?

I don't see how anyone could cheat at baseball without it being really obvious like Ole Miss's 2013 football class.

[Jack Lambert]

You can't outbid MLB. Especially since MLB can legally offer players money.

No one has boosters that can give JT Ginn 4 million to come to MSU. And that's extreme but no one has boosters that can give Regi Grace 300-500K either.

Look at what Ole Miss was offering Leo Lewis- what was it? 10K?

I don't see how anyone could cheat at baseball without it being really obvious like Ole Miss's 2013 football class.

I think you are wrong.

There are boosters out there with a lot of money and LSU takes baseball very seriously. How much did Leo Seal leave Miss State? How much did the Palmeiro building cost?

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/11772033/alabama-crimson-tide-boosters-pay-coach-nick-saban-home

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/2005/02/03/alabama-booster-convicted/189bfc73-ecf3-4579-91f6-d2a9bb19d262/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d954e934f052

[RocketDawg]

Grace went 304 overall. That pick signed for $132,800 in 2017. Never know what dollar amount is the trigger for some families.

True, and it really is a lot of money on the surface, not to mention that it's a "bird in the hand" situation. If you consider that the player would have to pay part (maybe most?) of his own expenses in school, I can see how it'd be enough to sway a him. Life in the minors is tough though, and the ones I've known at the AA level still had to have other jobs to get by.

[Jack Lambert]

True, and it really is a lot of money on the surface, not to mention that it's a "bird in the hand" situation. If you consider that the player would have to pay part (maybe most?) of his own expenses in school, I can see how it'd be enough to sway a him. Life in the minors is tough though, and the ones I've known at the AA level still had to have other jobs to get by.

Also most signing bonus is spread out over a long period of time to insure the guy stays.

[BorneDawg]

Will Stovall and Macnamee be back?

Stovall will not..... But Mac idk think he will

[Pit Bull]

I see Mangum as a taller version of Adam Frasier. Surprised the MLB scouts don't see that.

[Gutter Cobreh]

I see Mangum as a taller version of Adam Frasier. Surprised the MLB scouts don't see that.

They see a CF with minimal power and average speed for that level. If he were a 2B, like Frazier, he may be viewed differently.

[Todd4State]

Adam Frazier is very versatile and has more power than Mangum. It's really apples and oranges.

Frazier can adequately play all of the OF spots, SS, 3B, and 2B. It's valuable to have someone like that in MLB that can allow guys to rest and at the same time not lose much offensively or defensively.

Mangum to me is more of a fourth OF/pinch hit/pinch run guy. He doesn't look to me like someone that has a lot of power projection and had he gotten stronger in the offseason I think he would have been a top 10 round pick. MLB teams want their OF's to be similar to Tommy Pham of the Cardinals in terms of skill set. Can hit with power, for average, has speed, can defend, and has an average/above average arm at least.

For Mangum to make it to MLB he is going to have to go the David Eckstein route and hit at pretty much every level until he makes it to MLB. I could definitely see him doing that because has unreal hand eye coordination. But also of concern is he is a traditional lead off guy that rarely walks and he is a sometimes overly aggressive defender that makes mistakes that can hurt the team. Defensively and speed wise- he is MLB caliber. And I think his arm is good enough especially in a reserve role.

[Todd4State]

Stovall will not..... But Mac idk think he will

Guys like Stovall leaving kill us. Someone will probably draft him and offer him a small bonus and he will take it. He's the kind of player that LSU typically brings back for their senior year.

[Todd4State]

I think you are wrong.

There are boosters out there with a lot of money and LSU takes baseball very seriously. How much did Leo Seal leave Miss State? How much did the Palmeiro building cost?

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/11772033/alabama-crimson-tide-boosters-pay-coach-nick-saban-home

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/2005/02/03/alabama-booster-convicted/189bfc73-ecf3-4579-91f6-d2a9bb19d262/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d954e934f052

Those are articles about football- which is exactly my point. 150K might be enough to keep a Regi Grace- but even then the Twins could just bump their offer up again.

I'm sure if a booster is paying for football players- that's a big expense. But then baseball players too? That would add up pretty quickly and I guarantee you that if you asked an average LSU major booster if they would donate to football or baseball first they would say football.

[Dawg61]

Guys like Stovall leaving kill us. Someone will probably draft him and offer him a small bonus and he will take it. He's the kind of player that LSU typically brings back for their senior year.

Baton Rouge has an Olive Garden

[Tbonewannabe]

Adam Frazier is very versatile and has more power than Mangum. It's really apples and oranges.

Frazier can adequately play all of the OF spots, SS, 3B, and 2B. It's valuable to have someone like that in MLB that can allow guys to rest and at the same time not lose much offensively or defensively.

Mangum to me is more of a fourth OF/pinch hit/pinch run guy. He doesn't look to me like someone that has a lot of power projection and had he gotten stronger in the offseason I think he would have been a top 10 round pick. MLB teams want their OF's to be similar to Tommy Pham of the Cardinals in terms of skill set. Can hit with power, for average, has speed, can defend, and has an average/above average arm at least.

For Mangum to make it to MLB he is going to have to go the David Eckstein route and hit at pretty much every level until he makes it to MLB. I could definitely see him doing that because has unreal hand eye coordination. But also of concern is he is a traditional lead off guy that rarely walks and he is a sometimes overly aggressive defender that makes mistakes that can hurt the team. Defensively and speed wise- he is MLB caliber. And I think his arm is good enough especially in a reserve role.

One thing that probably hurts him also is that he doesn't steal very many bases. As fast as he is, you would think he would be leading the league especially since he is on base so much. I don't know if we just don't give him the green light or what but that would be a concern for a MLB team.

[louisvilledawg]

How would you know this? He could potentially get a larger bonus in the 10th round than the 8th, I think so anyway.

Was told by a source very close to the situation unless he was taken in the 6th or higher he would come back. Heard he turned down a team or two in the 7th.

[msstate7]

Was told by a source very close to the situation unless he was taken in the 6th or higher he would come back. Heard he turned down a team or two in the 7th.

That's awesome.

[fishwater99]

Money under the table??

yep.. The Bears do the same thing..