Wow Godfrey.....

[ShotgunDawg]

Not gonna post his article, but Godfrey released his Leo article today & basically spend 5 years researching to write an article that essentially plagiarized "Flim Flam"

No new information. Nothing really.

Just a long ass article that basically says what everyone already knew

[BeardoMSU]

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[5049]

Seems to me like he's pushing for the moral angle, ie the players need to be paid

That's a big thing he and Bill Connelly always talk about on their podcast too

[Mimi's Babies]

Not gonna post his article, but Godfrey released his Leo article today & basically spend 5 years researching to write an article that essentially plagiarized "Flim Flam"

No new information. Nothing really.

Just a long ass article that basically says what everyone already knew


Shotgun,

I know you did not expect anything less than "PLAGIARISM" out of this article. He just needed his five minutes of 'fame' out of this article. :rolleyes:

[ShotgunDawg]

The video documentary is actually pretty good. Posting link just because the word "shitbird" is actually used in the first episode

https://www.sbnation.com/a/ole-miss-leo-lewis-ncaa-enforcement-recruitment-violations

[mstatefan91]

That was actually well done (the video, not reading the article).. is the whole series out or just episode I? Or is it behind some kind of pay wall?

[Todd4State]

Seems to me like he's pushing for the moral angle, ie the players need to be paid

That's a big thing he and Bill Connelly always talk about on their podcast too

Football players on full scholarship receive a stipend as part of their scholarship agreement if I'm not mistaken. I don't think paying players would stop anything anyway. People like Ole Miss are always going to give extra benefits even if payers are paid on top of whatever the school gives them legally.

[Rick Danko]

Football players on full scholarship receive a stipend as part of their scholarship agreement if I'm not mistaken. I don't think paying players would stop anything anyway. People like Ole Miss are always going to give extra benefits even if payers are paid on top of whatever the school gives them legally.

I?m as big a State homer as there is but let?s not pretend we are the squeaky clean, shining beacon on the hill. All SEC schools, save maybe Vandy, give extra benefits. That?s the price to play poker and stay competitive.

[DCdawg]

I hate that he wasted five years of his life. I've never read Flim Flam. Just through articles and tweets posted over the last 2-3 years, I feel like I already knew essentially everything that was in his story.

[5049]

Football players on full scholarship receive a stipend as part of their scholarship agreement if I'm not mistaken. I don't think paying players would stop anything anyway. People like Ole Miss are always going to give extra benefits even if payers are paid on top of whatever the school gives them legally.
On this topic, Godfrey isn't being a UM homer, I'll give him that, he and Connelly are just a couple of liberal limp wrists who are trying to create a moral problem where there is no problem, so, I agree with you on the premise

Overall though, however, there's an awful lot of OM whining that he's certainly allowing to leak through and be put on display, trying paint them as victims

[Todd4State]

I?m as big a State homer as there is but let?s not pretend we are the squeaky clean, shining beacon on the hill. All SEC schools, save maybe Vandy, give extra benefits. That?s the price to play poker and stay competitive.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying if Godfrey and Connelly and whoever else think that paying players a salary is going to stop people from giving illegal benefits they're wrong.

Because I'm assuming that their point is by giving players money it will cut down on cheating. Oh wait- no their point is that Ole Miss is doing something philanthropic by illegally paying players who come from poor families because the NCAA won't allow it. And now Ole Miss is paying for it because MSU "turned them in".

[Todd4State]

On this topic, Godfrey isn't being a UM homer, I'll give him that, he and Connelly are just a couple of liberal limp wrists who are trying to create a moral problem where there is no problem, so, I agree with you on the premise

Overall though, however, there's an awful lot of OM whining that he's certainly allowing to leak through and be put on display, trying paint them as victims


Exactly. Especially the last sentence.

[5049]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying if Godfrey and Connelly and whoever else think that paying players a salary is going to stop people from giving illegal benefits they're wrong.

Because I'm assuming that their point is by giving players money it will cut down on cheating. Oh wait- no their point is that Ole Miss is doing something philanthropic by illegally paying players who come from poor families because the NCAA won't allow it. And now Ole Miss is paying for it because MSU "turned them in".

They don't really care about the cheating per se, their big question they always ask (and other people that think like them) is, "Can you give me one reason that they shouldn't be paid?"...or at least share in the revenue they help create (beyond the scholarship). They point to the tons of new positions that are opening up in college athletic departments around the country, and the gold-plating of facilities, and astronomical coach salaries

It's a valid question I guess, but the problem is that players willingly enter this system of NCAA football, because it puts them on display to hopefully make the NFL. You could say they have no choice, but I see that as a problem with the NFL, not the NCAA. NFL needs to have a developmental league for players to be paid, but they won't, because college is doing that for them, for free

I see many want to de-couple the schlarship, and essentially let the free market take over. I think that'll eventually end up driving the passionate alumni fans away, because it'll be more mercenary ball, rather than supporting student-athletes who chose to come to the same school they attended. It'll probably create a more mundate, TV-centric, NFL type product that'll eventually lose popularity

I would rather see more side leagues pop up, like Steve Spurrier's league, that give multiple options to a kid at 18, rather than screwing up this great thing that is amateur college athletics. They'll call you selfish, trying to preserve the system that we all grew up with and love, not realizing that it got popular BECAUSE of amateurism, not in spite of it

If they want to find a "problem", they should focus on how bad baseball players get screwed over by the NCAA, THAT is a real problem, but they won't, because there's no money in it at present, all the players who want to, and can, get paid, usually go do it in MiLB

Rant over

[Johnson85]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying if Godfrey and Connelly and whoever else think that paying players a salary is going to stop people from giving illegal benefits they're wrong.

Because I'm assuming that their point is by giving players money it will cut down on cheating. Oh wait- no their point is that Ole Miss is doing something philanthropic by illegally paying players who come from poor families because the NCAA won't allow it. And now Ole Miss is paying for it because MSU "turned them in".

Depends on how set the payments up. How many NFL teams do you think violate the cap by paying under the table?

If they set up a cap system, there wouldn't be that many teams who could consistently pay more, and there would actually be the political will to enforce rules. Wouldn't eliminate boosters doing it, but I think it could be done in a way that more or less stops institutionalized cheating.

[Todd4State]

They don't really care about the cheating per se, their big question they always ask (and other people that think like them) is, "Can you give me one reason that they shouldn't be paid?"...or at least share in the revenue they help create (beyond the scholarship). They point to the tons of new positions that are opening up in college athletic departments around the country, and the gold-plating of facilities, and astronomical coach salaries

It's a valid question I guess, but the problem is that players willingly enter this system of NCAA football, because it puts them on display to hopefully make the NFL. You could say they have no choice, but I see that as a problem with the NFL, not the NCAA. NFL needs to have a developmental league for players to be paid, but they won't, because college is doing that for them, for free

I see many want to de-couple the schlarship, and essentially let the free market take over. I think that'll eventually end up driving the passionate alumni fans away, because it'll be more mercenary ball, rather than supporting student-athletes who chose to come to the same school they attended. It'll probably create a more mundate, TV-centric, NFL type product that'll eventually lose popularity

I would rather see more side leagues pop up, like Steve Spurrier's league, that give multiple options to a kid at 18, rather than screwing up this great thing that is amateur college athletics. They'll call you selfish, trying to preserve the system that we all grew up with and love, not realizing that it got popular BECAUSE of amateurism, not in spite of it

If they want to find a "problem", they should focus on how bad baseball players get screwed over by the NCAA, THAT is a real problem, but they won't, because there's no money in it at present, all the players who want to, and can, get paid, usually go do it in MiLB

Rant over

True.

But it's not much different that anything else where you have to earn your stripes. Doctors have to go through residency's where they are not paid very much and they incur a lot of debt. Baseball players get paid peanuts to play minor league baseball and many use up most of or all of their signing bonus before they make it to MLB and that's IF they make it to MLB.

With football you get your tuition, room and board, books, meal money, and while I'm not 100% sure of it I think they get a stipend too. That means if you don't make the NFL and graduate you have no student debt and a degree where you can make money for yourself. And a lot of alumni connections to help you secure a job because they are MSU fans or whoever and like football and they think it's cool to have someone connected to the team to talk MSU football with.

And I'm not against the NCAA legalizing paying them on top of all of that- but it's naive to suggest it will stop rogue boosters like I said.

[Todd4State]

Depends on how set the payments up. How many NFL teams do you think violate the cap by paying under the table?

If they set up a cap system, there wouldn't be that many teams who could consistently pay more, and there would actually be the political will to enforce rules. Wouldn't eliminate boosters doing it, but I think it could be done in a way that more or less stops institutionalized cheating.

But that's their whole point- that they are cheating because there isn't a way to pay players. So out of the goodness of their heart they "have to" cheat.

I just don't think it will change anything except that the players are getting more money in the long run.

[ShotgunDawg]

Here is the link to all 4 episodes

https://www.go90.com/videos/4nfaW8nt08V

in Episode 2, the lady says "The Ole Miss MSU rivalry comes down to old money vs no money"

Sheesh. Just ridiculous narratives from liberal snowflakes with idea what Starkville is

[MadDawg]

Godfrey isn't being a UM homer..... there's an awful lot of OM whining that he's certainly allowing to leak through and be put on display, trying paint them as victims

Um.
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[AROB44]

Here is the link to all 4 episodes

https://www.go90.com/videos/4nfaW8nt08V

in Episode 2, the lady says "The Ole Miss MSU rivalry comes down to old money vs no money"

Sheesh. Just ridiculous narratives from liberal snowflakes with idea what Starkville is



Is this a term that is used just because someone disagrees with another. I would like to know the current definition. I know what "liberal" and "conservative" used to be (I'm old) but don't know what it means today.

[BeardoMSU]

Here is the link to all 4 episodes

https://www.go90.com/videos/4nfaW8nt08V

in Episode 2, the lady says "The Ole Miss MSU rivalry comes down to old money vs no money"

Sheesh. Just ridiculous narratives from liberal snowflakes with idea what Starkville is

Jesus Christ, dude. Hate to break it to you, but there are a whole bunch of "liberal snowflakes" that help make MSU and Starkville what it is.

[5049]

Um.
https://s15.postimg.cc/5s8loqcbf/tenor.gif

Good Lord son, please re-read that original post AND what I replied to. I said, "ON THAT TOPIC", ie the topic of the morality of paying players

[ShotgunDawg]

McCready in Episode 3

In regards to Leo Lewis

"Where are the people who tell him to stop? One day he won't be a kid anymore & will have to face the consequences for his actions"

What consequences would those be Neal?

[ShotgunDawg]

Wolken gives his 2 cents

https://i.imgur.com/QBJFzIX.jpg

[ShotgunDawg]

Just finished all 4 episodes & here are some thoughts:

- Probably the best produced, in-depth feature that has ever been done on the MSU/OM rivalry. Football being a religion in MS is a highlight of the series.

- The series plays a little too much on school stereotypes, OM = Old money & MSU = No money. Every time Oxford is shown, it's an antebellum, white columned building & every time Starkville is shown, it's a run down shack or boarded up building. That series portrays things in stereotype & not reality. OM = Drs & Lawyers, MSU agriculture. Those lines are so blurred now, it's ludicrous to stick to them.

- I believe the series was specifically released at this time period to help OM with their appeal. While the series comes across fairly fair & balanced, it's clear that the agenda is to portray OM has a football program that was only doing what the system demands it do & no different than any other school.

- Overall, it was quality watch & I would recommend it. Although, it will make you cringe at times particularly when it comes to stereo type stuff & how easily it is to figure out the agenda of the piece in Episode 4

[Todd4State]

Here is the link to all 4 episodes

https://www.go90.com/videos/4nfaW8nt08V

in Episode 2, the lady says "The Ole Miss MSU rivalry comes down to old money vs no money"

Sheesh. Just ridiculous narratives from liberal snowflakes with idea what Starkville is

And yet according to them we outbid them for Leo Lewis.

[MadDawg]

Good Lord son, please re-read that original post AND what I replied to. I said, "ON THAT TOPIC", ie the topic of the morality of paying players

Ok. When you said Godfrey wasn't being a homer I assumed the topic was his article and not that Godfrey wasn't being an ole miss homer in regards to paying players, because that wouldn't make a lick of 17ing sense. Apologies.

[MadDawg]

Just finished all 4 episodes & here are some thoughts:

- Probably the best produced, in-depth feature that has ever been done on the MSU/OM rivalry. Football being a religion in MS is a highlight of the series.

- The series plays a little too much on school stereotypes, OM = Old money & MSU = No money. Every time Oxford is shown, it's an antebellum, white columned building & every time Starkville is shown, it's a run down shack or boarded up building. That series portrays things in stereotype & not reality. OM = Drs & Lawyers, MSU agriculture. Those lines are so blurred now, it's ludicrous to stick to them.

- I believe the series was specifically released at this time period to help OM with their appeal. While the series comes across fairly fair & balanced, it's clear that the agenda is to portray OM has a football program that was only doing what the system demands it do & no different than any other school.

- Overall, it was quality watch & I would recommend it. Although, it will make you cringe at times particularly when it comes to stereo type stuff & how easily it is to figure out the agenda of the piece in Episode 4

Man, Shotgun, I just don't know what to think here. Just not sure how you can say it was such a great watch, but then point out how biased and misleading it is in regards to denigrating MSU at every opportunity. I think I'll pass on this bullshit. You know I had a lot of people tell me how good the "Blindside" movie was. Yeah, 17 that bullshit movie too.

[Spiderman]

"Why a man calls an escort service is one thing. Why he does so on a university-issued phone subject to public records requests is another. Hubris? Sloppiness? Self-sabotage after years of ceaseless scrutiny by the NCAA? Why didn?t the man buy another cell phone to make those kind of calls?

?Because he is the cheapest mother****er I?ve ever met,? an Ole Miss booster told me the night of Freeze?s resignation."

Classic

[Spiderman]

Ok. When you said Godfrey wasn't being a homer I assumed the topic was his article and not that Godfrey wasn't being an ole miss homer in regards to paying players, because that wouldn't make a lick of 17ing sense. Apologies.

Anybody that thinks Godfrey issn't an OM homer needs to go back a read his posts on Nafoom a few years back. Of course, they will probably be deleted soon like all those tweets of his, so hurry over and screen shot them.

[yjnkdawg]

Seems to me like he's pushing for the moral angle, ie the players need to be paid

That's a big thing he and Bill Connelly always talk about on their podcast too


Seems like players getting paid was a major point of his story. I think that was brought up in all 4 segments.

[Todd4State]

McCready in Episode 3

In regards to Leo Lewis

"Where are the people who tell him to stop? One day he won't be a kid anymore & will have to face the consequences for his actions"

What consequences would those be Neal?

Oh I don't know- probably something like having him fired from his job or sued. Oh wait- they are sueing him.

[Spiderman]

Seems like players getting paid was a major point of his story. I think that was brought up in all 4 segments.

Here is his major point.......

"Wah,Wah, Wha, we got caught, but but but everybody does it!!!!" Cloaked in a moral indignity of these poor players should be paid. (Of course that's so we (OM) can keep doing it and maybe compete)

[Todd4State]

Anybody that thinks Godfrey issn't an OM homer needs to go back a read his posts on Nafoom a few years back. Of course, they will probably be deleted soon like all those tweets of his, so hurry over and screen shot them.

I remember that now. He wanted a lot of people to get Aids and die. It was pretty vulgar. And it was thousands of tweets.

[yjnkdawg]

Just finished all 4 episodes & here are some thoughts:

- Probably the best produced, in-depth feature that has ever been done on the MSU/OM rivalry. Football being a religion in MS is a highlight of the series.

- The series plays a little too much on school stereotypes, OM = Old money & MSU = No money. Every time Oxford is shown, it's an antebellum, white columned building & every time Starkville is shown, it's a run down shack or boarded up building. That series portrays things in stereotype & not reality. OM = Drs & Lawyers, MSU agriculture. Those lines are so blurred now, it's ludicrous to stick to them.

- I believe the series was specifically released at this time period to help OM with their appeal. While the series comes across fairly fair & balanced, it's clear that the agenda is to portray OM has a football program that was only doing what the system demands it do & no different than any other school.

- Overall, it was quality watch & I would recommend it. Although, it will make you cringe at times particularly when it comes to stereo type stuff & how easily it is to figure out the agenda of the piece in Episode 4


It's pathetic and degrading to say the least. However Godfrey is one of the bowtie wearing bunch, so it's not totally surprising. Seems like the whole State Of Mississippi was put down too.

[yjnkdawg]

The video documentary is actually pretty good. Posting link just because the word "shitbird" is actually used in the first episode

https://www.sbnation.com/a/ole-miss-leo-lewis-ncaa-enforcement-recruitment-violations




Yeah I saw that too. I am pretty confident that in this video documentary that it was not in reference to anybody associated with the "Hotty Toddy" bunch.

[yjnkdawg]

Here is his major point.......

"Wah,Wah, Wha, we got caught, but but but everybody does it!!!!" Cloaked in a moral indignity of these poor players should be paid. (Of course that's so we (OM) can keep doing it and maybe compete)


You have a more descriptive and accurate interpretation. Especially the ( ) part. Good one Spider.

[mstatefan91]

The video series was good. The last two painted it the way OM wanted but I expected it. He’s an alum. He’s not going to outright crucify them

[Dawgpile]

Here is the link to all 4 episodes

https://www.go90.com/videos/4nfaW8nt08V

Watching id now.

The production value of that piece looks fairly pricey. Carville must have cost 100k. Follow the money...SBN didn't pay for that.

[Mjoelner34]

McCready in Episode 3

In regards to Leo Lewis

"Where are the people who tell him to stop? One day he won't be a kid anymore & will have to face the consequences for his actions"

What consequences would those be Neal?

Sounds like that quote should apply more to the lawyer they're protecting.

[Todd4State]

Sounds like that quote should apply more to the lawyer they're protecting.

I'm not exactly sure why he would care or go to the lengths he has to be protected. Unless he is just embarrassed about having the wool pulled over his eyes and it's an ego thing. Or more than likely he is helping them out with more players.

[ShotgunDawg]

Watching id now.

The production value of that piece looks fairly pricey. Carville must have cost 100k. Follow the money...SBN didn't pay for that.

Great point.

I wonder if Merkel paid for it?

[HaggardDawg]

I wonder if Godfrey offered to compensate Leo for his image throughout the docuseries?

[mstatefan91]

Biggest take aways:

OM really believes they didn't do anything wrong.

Merkel doesn't understand that by suing Leo Lewis that he is in direct contradiction to the theme of the narrative (just heppin some poor boys out)

McCready really believes Mississippi State is behind Leo testifying against OM

Treadwell still doesn't know how to run a route.

[Political Hack]

I watched the last episode. Seems like the whole thing was intended to justify cheating and say "everyone does it." Very Ole Miss of him.

[Turfdawg67]

Haven't watched... never will.

[Political Hack]

Haven't watched... never will.

It was actually well done, although I don't think I care enough about Ole Miss excuses and "poor me" attitudes to watch the rest of it. The cinetography and the people interviewed (outside of the appearance of that lady C34 called fat on twitter and the portrayal of rosbowl's "haven't-showered-in-9-weeks-and-is-typical-State-fan") were pretty good.

[BrunswickDawg]

Well the confederates on Twitter - led by good old Spirit Chuck - are acting like his article personally brought scorn and embarrassment upon them in. Way never before seen in the Land Of Cotton. So, he must have done a halfway decent job.

[Todd4State]

Well the confederates on Twitter - led by good old Spirit Chuck - are acting like his article personally brought scorn and embarrassment upon them in. Way never before seen in the Land Of Cotton. So, he must have done a halfway decent job.

Yeah. They're not happy. I think their fans are starting to get to the point where they want this behind them.

[Turfdawg67]

Well the confederates on Twitter - led by good old Spirit Chuck - are acting like his article personally brought scorn and embarrassment upon them in. Way never before seen in the Land Of Cotton. So, he must have done a halfway decent job.

Hmmmm... maybe I will check it out. So, I've avoided most about this topic, it's not just a LL/State hit piece?!?

[Dolphus Raymond]

[QUOTE=ShotgunDawg;940842]Here is the link to all 4 episodes

https://www.go90.com/videos/4nfaW8nt08V

in Episode 2, the lady says "The Ole Miss MSU rivalry comes down to old money vs no money"


Sheesh. Just ridiculous narratives from liberal snowflakes with idea what Starkville is[/QUOTE
For the better part of my memory, despite evidence to the contrary, MSU has been portrayed as "Red Neck U" by people from within, and outside of, the state. Many wish to deny it, but that stigma does nothing but hurt MSU. Several years ago, the child of a friend of mine from ANOTHER STATE had academic scholarships offered to her from both Ole Miss and MSU. Wnen I asked her why she chose to attend Ole Miss rather than MSU, her reply was "I don't want to go to school with a bunch of red necks". Those were the exact words from an 18 year old from another state. Some of my MSU brethren seem to go out of their way to perpetuate the "MSU-Red Neck U" stigma which has hung over our heads for decades.
Please, PLEASE, PLEASE, just stop.

[PassInterference]

So a Rebel mouthpiece finally confirmed Steve Robertson was on the money. I guess it?s OK if Godfrey says it.

[Hambone]

I find it hilarious Ole Chuck is making threats towards Godfrey. I might have ask him about that the next I’m eating at the Beacon and he’s making the rounds.

[Todd4State]

So a Rebel mouthpiece finally confirmed Steve Robertson was on the money. I guess it?s OK if Godfrey says it.

Judging by some of the threats he has been getting- maybe not.

[Political Hack]

I find it hilarious Ole Chuck is making threats towards Godfrey. I might have ask him about that the next I’m eating at the Beacon and he’s making the rounds.

All orchestrated to try to bring attention to the videos. When they realized no one else really wants to hear them cry, they threw a full blown temper tantrum.