Bo Bounds Just Doesn't Get It

[ShotgunDawg]

Just saw this tweet of Bobo defending Mullen's recruiting and it's literally a point made to confuse stupid people.

https://twitter.com/bobounds/status/985236782273966080

Yes, Mullen improved MSU's composite recruiting ranking 10 spots from when he took over till when he left and overall, yes Mullen did a great job at MSU.

However, insinuating that Mullen is a good recruiter because he improved a 3-5 win program's ranking 10 spots when he was winning 7-9 a year, seems disingenuous at best.

That's like saying a port-a-John is better than a hole in the ground. Yes, it's true that a porta-a-John is a better place to take a dump than a hole in the ground, but it doesn't mean that a port-a-Jon is a good place to take a dump. When succeeding Croom, average recruiting and coaching was bound to raise the level of our program. Furthermore, Mullen additionally benefits in this debate because recruiting rankings didn't exist when Jackie was winning and recruiting fairly well at MSU. Mullen took advantage of a situation that was without precedent because no one could compare his success to anyone's else's at MSU.

It's clear to anyone with a brain, that, while Mullen did a great job and built a solid foundation, his laziness on the recruiting trail limited the ceiling of MSU's program. There is no denying it and MSU fans should never let it happen again.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Any recruiting argument that references the Pre-ESPN money era is not relevant.

[ShotgunDawg]

Any recruiting argument that references the Pre-ESPN money era is not relevant.

Agree completely, but Bo is nearing Kellenberger level logic here.

[Todd4State]

I hate to defend Croom but we were on probation for the first part of his tenure and he had been out of college for well over a decade when we hired him. By the end of his tenure he had pulled some nice players like Pegues and Anthony Dixon and he beat Hugh Freeze out for Robert Elliott. One of Dan's two best teams in 2010 was built pretty much with Croom recruits.

[Todd4State]

Agree completely, but Bo is nearing Kellenberger level logic here.

I don't know what's going on with the talking heads but I think they completely convinced themselves that MSU can't recruit well. What Joe is doing is messing up their image of MSU and they can't believe that it wasn't really Ole Miss money and Hugh Freeze the entire time and that Dan was really that lazy.

[RougeDawg]

Bo never has gotten it with regard to anything outside of Jackson Prep Junior High girls tennis. Why you guys still listen to him and allow him to have a show is mind boggling. Literally any high school, and up, aged dude knows more about sports than he does.

Stop listening and the ignorance will go away on its own.

[msstate7]

I think joe is proving to be a better recruiter than Mullen; but the fact we are looked at here as a true potential sec west champ this season really craps on the Mullen is a garbage recruiter theory

[5049]

Mullen did many great things but he's just not a closer, which is why I don't think he'll win a national title at Florida unless he amasses incredible talent somehow (and he may). He couldn't close on Cam, he couldn't close on numerous in-state recruits, he couldn't close out Alabama last year.

Like many of you say, he amassed a great bit of talent at MSU, but never could finish out the class to add those 1-3 difference makers, when he had them all within his grasp!

He's come up with numerous great gameplans, but when it was crunch time he would not execute them, he'd clam up

He just doesn't finish the job, ie NOT relentless effort. He gets cocky

Another reason he won't succeed at Flarrda is because he kept the country club intact, he won't ever move up and hire an OC, he wants to do everything himself bc he thinks he's the best evarrrrr

[Bulldog1]

I think joe is proving to be a better recruiter than Mullen; but the fact we are looked at here as a true potential sec west champ this season really craps on the Mullen is a garbage recruiter theory

Past 4 classes rankings:
2018~ 27, 9th in SEC
2017~ 24, 9th in SEC
2016~ 28, 11th in SEC
2015~ 18, 8th in SEC

[Todd4State]

I think joe is proving to be a better recruiter than Mullen; but the fact we are looked at here as a true potential sec west champ this season really craps on the Mullen is a garbage recruiter theory

Here's the thing about Mullen- how good would we be with AJ Brown, Scott Lashley, and Cam Akers? I think Joe lands at least two of those three and probably more. Dan gave up on Akers because he didn't want to have to try to mend fences or work around his head coach so he just made up some BS about how Kylin Hill and Akers didn't like each other.

We did well in recruiting on the defensive side of the ball and that's because Dan's best non country club guys were on that side of the ball.

So, while we're good that doesn't mean that we're reaching our ceiling.

[msstate7]

Past 4 classes rankings:
2018~ 27, 9th in SEC
2017~ 24, 9th in SEC
2016~ 28, 11th in SEC
2015~ 18, 8th in SEC

We should've won 10 last season.

The avg recruiting ranking for the 4 years is 9th in the sec. Do you think we will finish 9th this season or do you think those rankings are wrong?

[Bulldog1]

We should've won 10 last season.

The avg recruiting ranking for the 4 years is 9th in the sec. Do you think we will finish 9th this season or do you think those rankings are wrong?
I thought we were talking about recruiting, not on the field performance.

[msstate7]

I thought we were talking about recruiting, not on the field performance.

You cannot win without good players. Getting good players requires good recruiting. We have some good players

[Bulldog1]

You cannot win without good players. Getting good players requires good recruiting. We have some good players

I'm not arguing that. We do. But Dan recruited with about half the effort of what he was capable of.

[msstate7]

I'm not arguing that. We do. But Dan recruited with about half the effort of what he was capable of.

Todd brought up some good points above. How good would we have been with aj Brown last season or if we closed on r. Davis? Even so, we have a lot of good players, so I don't buy the Mullen sucks as a recruiter. Mullen is not gonna load a team with 4 and 5 stars, but he will get good players. Mullen can build a good roster, but will not win a natty bc he cannot get enough truly elite players. Mullen will not last at Florida bc of this; but Mullen is a great coach for a non-elite football program, and can recruit just fine at that level imo

[5049]

Todd brought up some good points above. How good would we have been with aj Brown last season or if we closed on r. Davis? Even so, we have a lot of good players, so I don't buy the Mullen sucks as a recruiter. Mullen is not gonna load a team with 4 and 5 stars, but he will get good players. Mullen can build a good roster, but will not win a natty bc he cannot get enough truly elite players. Mullen will not last at Florida bc of this; but Mullen is a great coach for a non-elite football program, and can recruit just fine at that level imo

Actually, he's the opposite, he'll do better at a school that recruits itself, maybe that will minimize his weaknesses

Mullen is an adequate recruiter but his misses are just unexplainable, they fall right through his hands - Cam, CJ Johnson, Whitehead, Raekwon, Lashley, Knott, AJ, etc

Also, he's totally at the mercy of his defensive coaches, not to mention recruiters

[Bulldog1]

Todd brought up some good points above. How good would we have been with aj Brown last season or if we closed on r. Davis? Even so, we have a lot of good players, so I don't buy the Mullen sucks as a recruiter. Mullen is not gonna load a team with 4 and 5 stars, but he will get good players. Mullen can build a good roster, but will not win a natty bc he cannot get enough truly elite players. Mullen will not last at Florida bc of this; but Mullen is a great coach for a non-elite football program, and can recruit just fine at that level imo
Mullen was also a great developer of talent/ evaluator of talent too. I'll always be salty at him for leaving like he did, but I can't ignore that.

[ShotgunDawg]

Todd brought up some good points above. How good would we have been with aj Brown last season or if we closed on r. Davis? Even so, we have a lot of good players, so I don't buy the Mullen sucks as a recruiter. Mullen is not gonna load a team with 4 and 5 stars, but he will get good players. Mullen can build a good roster, but will not win a natty bc he cannot get enough truly elite players. Mullen will not last at Florida bc of this; but Mullen is a great coach for a non-elite football program, and can recruit just fine at that level imo

I agree with you but Bo referenced our recruiting rankings, not the actual talent on the team.

Having good recruiting rankings is the result of winning many recruiting battles against other comparable schools while having quality talent on your team doesn't quite mean that.

Dan could evaluate and beat people on that but he did not compete on a consistent basis for top talent that other schools had offered.

Bo referenced our recruiting ranking, not the talent on the team.

[msstate7]

I agree with you but Bo referenced our recruiting rankings, not the actual talent on the team.

Having good recruiting rankings is the result of winning many recruiting battles against other comparable schools while having quality talent on your team doesn't quite mean that.

Dan could evaluate and beat people on that but he did not compete on a consistent basis for top talent that other schools had offered.

Bo referenced our recruiting ranking, not the talent on the team.

Then I am arguing for no reason. Apologies

[msstate7]

Actually, he's the opposite, he'll do better at a school that recruits itself, maybe that will minimize his weaknesses

Mullen is an adequate recruiter but his misses are just unexplainable, they fall right through his hands - Cam, CJ Johnson, Whitehead, Raekwon, Lashley, Knott, AJ, etc

Also, he's totally at the mercy of his defensive coaches, not to mention recruiters

I disagree. Mullen needs to have the superior talent to win consistently. He will not out talent fsu or Georgia, which is a certain death sentence at Florida.

[5049]

I disagree. Mullen needs to have the superior talent to win consistently. He will not out talent fsu or Georgia, which is a certain death sentence at Florida.

In that comparison sense, yeah, he probably won't. But remember, he put together at least one MSU team talented enough to challenge for the playoff, you have to think he'll do the same at Flarrda, with a higher resting pulse when it comes to talent

I think he fails at Flarrda because, while he'll likely challenge for the SEC, he'll fail to sign those 1-3 difference makers, like he always did, and will get stupid in big games

That said, no one knows the future, and maybe he wakes up, fires the CC, delegates playcalling and hires some high level crooters

[Todd4State]

In that comparison sense, yeah, he probably won't. But remember, he put together at least one MSU team talented enough to challenge for the playoff, you have to think he'll do the same at Flarrda, with a higher resting pulse when it comes to talent

I think he fails at Flarrda because, while he'll likely challenge for the SEC, he'll fail to sign those 1-3 difference makers, like he always did, and will get stupid in big games

That said, no one knows the future, and maybe he wakes up, fires the CC, delegates playcalling and hires some high level crooters

Maybe if they gave him time to do that and I think that's going to be the problem. Along with everything else you mentioned.

I think when the rubber meets the road they are going to force him to do something about the country club and that's where it's going to get interesting.

[msstate7]

In that comparison sense, yeah, he probably won't. But remember, he put together at least one MSU team talented enough to challenge for the playoff, you have to think he'll do the same at Flarrda, with a higher resting pulse when it comes to talent

I think he fails at Flarrda because, while he'll likely challenge for the SEC, he'll fail to sign those 1-3 difference makers, like he always did, and will get stupid in big games

That said, no one knows the future, and maybe he wakes up, fires the CC, delegates playcalling and hires some high level crooters

I'm giving you reputation for the florida spelling. No idea why you spell it like that, but I find it amusing

[Bully13]

I think joe is proving to be a better recruiter than Mullen; but the fact we are looked at here as a true potential sec west champ this season really craps on the Mullen is a garbage recruiter theory

THINK he's gonna be better? I know it's early but I'm of the opinion Joe has already proven he IS better than Mullen in recruiting. Mullen had a good eye for the diamonds and he and his staff did a good job developing those diamonds. Mullen and his staff just simply didn't have the personalities and work ethic to bring in as many highly ranked players that MSU is capable of bringing in. No sales skills whatsoever. and I think Joe is currently proving that.

[Walkerhill]

I think a lot of people think Mullen will do much better at Florida because the same approach and scheme should win more at UF than State.

I think he will be moderately more successful in wins but will perceived as doing worse.

He will benefit from having a better platform to recruit, and should have better talent at hard to recruit positions like cornerback and offensive tackle. Over time he may be able to parlay this into more wins.

But not a lot more wins. His offensive scheme puts players in defined roles. At State this meant coaching up mostly mid-level recruits to a role they were capable of performing at a high level to make a whole that is more than the parts. At UF if he does attract high level recruits he will be putting them in the same roles but a 5 Star will feel limited vs their full potential. It will seem like a while that underperforms it parts when weighed against higher expectations. And he does not scale or adapt his offense that well. Dak had 0 300 yard games his sophomore year and only 1 300 yard game the magical 2014 season.

The result is we mostly controlled games that were winnable, we played fairly poorly from behind and consistently got our doors blown off by elite teams. In so doing, the offense is consistent rushing but there will very rarely be an elite passer and the wide receivers will have modest numbers while holding down significant blocking responsibilities.

State fans were thrilled with this. I don?t think UF fans will be very happy.

I do not see how he gets to the 10 wins a year he needs to keep his job there.

[Walkerhill]

I would rather have a better evaluator and developer than a recruiter if I have to choose. There is a reason people can simultaneously say his recruiting was disappointing and yet we won plenty and feel like he left a full cupboard.

He is an outstanding evaluator and developer.

The big programs require all 3 traits though. State fans were pretty accommodating of his talk about his own rating system and being a developmental program and all that. Smart money says he will miss us soon. Doubt we miss him.

[maroonmania]

Just saw this tweet of Bobo defending Mullen's recruiting and it's literally a point made to confuse stupid people.

https://twitter.com/bobounds/status/985236782273966080

Yes, Mullen improved MSU's composite recruiting ranking 10 spots from when he took over till when he left and overall, yes Mullen did a great job at MSU.

However, insinuating that Mullen is a good recruiter because he improved a 3-5 win program's ranking 10 spots when he was winning 7-9 a year, seems disingenuous at best.

That's like saying a port-a-John is better than a hole in the ground. Yes, it's true that a porta-a-John is a better place to take a dump than a hole in the ground, but it doesn't mean that a port-a-Jon is a good place to take a dump. When succeeding Croom, average recruiting and coaching was bound to raise the level of our program. Furthermore, Mullen additionally benefits in this debate because recruiting rankings didn't exist when Jackie was winning and recruiting fairly well at MSU. Mullen took advantage of a situation that was without precedent because no one could compare his success to anyone's else's at MSU.

It's clear to anyone with a brain, that, while Mullen did a great job and built a solid foundation, his laziness on the recruiting trail limited the ceiling of MSU's program. There is no denying it and MSU fans should never let it happen again.

2 points. 1. Does Bo not realize comparing anything to the incompetence of Croom is ridiculous? and 2. Does Bo not realize how much the prestige and money of the SEC has risen over the last 10 years? I would dare say that MSU's recruiting profile could have risen 10 spots during the time Mullen was here even with him being an average recruiter (which Mullen and staff were).

[Jarius]

I'm almost positive Bo is drunk as shit today. He has been retweeting and tweeting about Florida for the entire day. His obsession with Mullen has reached stalkerish levels. Some people have brought up to him that it's weird and he is just doubling down on it. It's weird how much he is talking about the guy in April.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I'm almost positive Bo is drunk as shit today. He has been retweeting and tweeting about Florida for the entire day. His obsession with Mullen has reached stalkerish levels. Some people have brought up to him that it's weird and he is just doubling down on it. It's weird how much he is talking about the guy in April.

Bo is just using a good business model. Talking about the last guy causes a reaction from the fanbase. It's the same reason he talked about Freeze all season. It gets fans riled up, those fans call to tell him he's an idiot, & opposing fans listen to get good laughs out of that fanbase. Either way Bo wins Bc his show is being listened to & talked about.

[basedog]

Bo is just using a good business model. Talking about the last guy causes a reaction from the fanbase. It's the same reason he talked about Freeze all season. It gets fans riled up, those fans call to tell him he's an idiot, & opposing fans listen to get good laughs out of that fanbase. Either way Bo wins Bc his show is being listened to & talked about.

Plus here it is on ED, Bo wins, never listened to him and never will.

[DawgPoundtheRock]

As was pointed out earlier, Croom didn't exactly leave to cupboard completely bare. He left some good players. I wonder if Croom had access to the ESPN money that Mullen had, would his recruiting have been comparable to Mullen's. I doubt it, but he may have been able to hire some assistants who were good recruiters. Pure speculation with no point what-so-ever.

[DawgPoundtheRock]

I live in east Tennessee so i have no access to Bo Bounds show. All I know of Bo is what I read here. We need for Swami to chime in here. "Who is this Bo Bounds person that you speak of?" Swami where are you.

By the way, even though I grew up in Mississippi and know that "Bo" is the generally accepted form, the correct spelling is "Beau".

[Jarius]

Bo is just using a good business model. Talking about the last guy causes a reaction from the fanbase. It's the same reason he talked about Freeze all season. It gets fans riled up, those fans call to tell him he's an idiot, & opposing fans listen to get good laughs out of that fanbase. Either way Bo wins Bc his show is being listened to & talked about.

His obsession with Mullen and telling people that we will be lucky to win more than 7 games successfully got me to quit listening to his show for the past couple of weeks. Maybe it's working for him with others. Once it gets closer to football season I will try his show out again. Hopefully it will be played out by then.

[Bully13]

I live in east Tennessee so i have no access to Bo Bounds show. All I know of Bo is what I read here. We need for Swami to chime in here. "Who is this Bo Bounds person that you speak of?" Swami where are you.

By the way, even though I grew up in Mississippi and know that "Bo" is the generally accepted form, the correct spelling is "Beau".

are cell phones available in east TN?

[Ari Gold]

Bo also thought Sumlin was the next big thing just a few years ago.

[Bully13]

Bo also thought Sumlin was the next big thing just a few years ago.

to be honest, I have no idea what caused Sumlin's demise at A&M. I thought it was a grand slam hire. what the 17 is going on down there in south TX confuses the shit out of me. just like in Austin. it's a total WTF mystery at both places.

[Jarius]

to be honest, I have no idea what caused Sumlin's demise at A&M. I thought it was a grand slam hire. what the 17 is going on down there in south TX confuses the shit out of me. just like in Austin. it's a total WTF mystery at both places.

I am beginning to think that Texas HS athletes are overrated. I don't understand how they can sign so
Many 4 and 5 star players and be so bad at A&M and Texas. Culture is a problem, but even with that if the recruiting rankings are correct you should just outtalent a lot of people.

[Bully13]

I am beginning to think that Texas HS athletes are overrated. I don't understand how they can sign so
Many 4 and 5 star players and be so bad at A&M and Texas. Culture is a problem, but even with that if the recruiting rankings are correct you should just outtalent a lot of people.

over rating the TX HS players has to be the answer. to say Sumlin is not HC worthy just does not pass the smell test in my opinion. The guy Austin , TX fired is a good coach too in my opinion.

[Mutt the Hoople]

Dan Mullen was big into work-life balance. It's nice that he valued family...that said, we were paying him $5 million a year to coach our football team.

He tries that "work-life balance" shit in Florida, especially after getting mangled by Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida State, it'll be brick-throwing time in Gainesville.

[Bulldog1]

Dan Mullen was big into work-life balance. It's nice that he valued family...that said, we were paying him $5 million a year to coach our football team.

He tries that "work-life balance" shit in Florida, especially after getting mangled by Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida State, it'll be brick-throwing time in Gainesville.

I wonder how Tennessee will be under Pruitt.

[Mutt the Hoople]

Texas Alums and Aggie Former Students have too much sway in who a coach recruits. Because some 4 or 5-* is the favorite player of some big-money booster, the player cares more about what the booster says than what the coach says.

Mack Brown was successful because he could schmooze with the boosters with the best of them, and make everybody happy. Neither Kevin Sumlin nor Charlie Strong could do the same thing. Jimbo Fisher appears to be a gladhander, and A&M should be better.

Another thing is- Texas high school football players are so well-coached that many of them peak in high school. Whereas some 4 or 5-* player in Mississippi or Alabama is subjected to 1950's-era practices and offenses, even the dinky Texas High schools have sophisticated strength-and-conditioning programs, player development, coaching, and scouting. Thus, many Texas players don't improve all that much between High school and college.

Texas is a huge offense State. Their best players are on offense. They put many of the weaker players on defense, and finesse is much more valued than hard-nosed grit. In Mississippi, it's the exact opposite- many schools put their best players on defense, and are tougher than nails when they get to college.

There was a reason Bear Bryant had such a brutal Training camp at Junction- Bear Bryant was a poor Arkansas boy, who played at Alabama, and coached at Kentucky, and he saw that the players were soft-many of them had football scholarships because their daddies had scholarships and were given one because of nepotism. Bear saw that and wanted to change the culture.

Not all Texas players are soft- TCU has always had hard-nosed defensive teams, and many Texas players who go elsewhere (like Oklahoma) are tougher than nails.

[Jarius]

Dan Mullen was big into work-life balance. It's nice that he valued family...that said, we were paying him $5 million a year to coach our football team.

He tries that "work-life balance" shit in Florida, especially after getting mangled by Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida State, it'll be brick-throwing time in Gainesville.

Joe Moorhead is a great family man from all accounts. Mullen was just lazy as shit recruiting on top of being arrogant and not having a good personality. You can have a great home/work balance and still put work into recruiting every day. It doesn't take that much time to contact prospects.

[Jack Lambert]

I hate to defend Croom but we were on probation for the first part of his tenure and he had been out of college for well over a decade when we hired him. By the end of his tenure he had pulled some nice players like Pegues and Anthony Dixon and he beat Hugh Freeze out for Robert Elliott. One of Dan's two best teams in 2010 was built pretty much with Croom recruits.

Not to mention during his time we played the top five toughest schedule in the country.

[Bubb Rubb]

I think joe is proving to be a better recruiter than Mullen; but the fact we are looked at here as a true potential sec west champ this season really craps on the Mullen is a garbage recruiter theory

2018 is a year where everything lined up perfectly. The true story of mullen's inconsistency and laziness in recruiting is 2019, when we will be thin/young at multiple spots. He has recruited poorly at oline, receiver, and defensive back. While we have quality LBs, we lack depth there.

I think Moorhead is much more proactive at recruiting for need and going after the best prospects instead on just relying on developmental guys.

Mullen deserves credit for most of the talent on the roster in 2018, and he will likewise deserve blame for the youth and inexperience we will have in 2019.

I think Moorhead is a massive, massive upgrade from Mullen.

[Bubb Rubb]

I am beginning to think that Texas HS athletes are overrated. I don't understand how they can sign so
Many 4 and 5 star players and be so bad at A&M and Texas. Culture is a problem, but even with that if the recruiting rankings are correct you should just outtalent a lot of people.

They aren't overrated. I just think Texas players are soft for the most part. The most popular offense in high school there is the big 12 spread, wide open offense. It's a finesse offense...the opposite of smash mouth. That translates well to Oklahoma and Texas, but it's not very sustainable against the grind of the SEC. That's my opinion anyway.

[Bully13]

They aren't overrated. I just think Texas players are soft for the most part. The most popular offense in high school there is the big 12 spread, wide open offense. It's a finesse offense...the opposite of smash mouth. That translates well to Oklahoma and Texas, but it's not very sustainable against the grind of the SEC. That's my opinion anyway.

if they are soft, they are overrated.

[Liverpooldawg]

I think we have routinely underestimated Mullen, because of POOR OLE MSU SYNDROME. He was ours so he had to suck. It doesn't matter now and I could care less, except when they face us. Time will tell.

[biggun]

I think a lot of people think Mullen will do much better at Florida because the same approach and scheme should win more at UF than State.

I think he will be moderately more successful in wins but will perceived as doing worse.

He will benefit from having a better platform to recruit, and should have better talent at hard to recruit positions like cornerback and offensive tackle. Over time he may be able to parlay this into more wins.

But not a lot more wins. His offensive scheme puts players in defined roles. At State this meant coaching up mostly mid-level recruits to a role they were capable of performing at a high level to make a whole that is more than the parts. At UF if he does attract high level recruits he will be putting them in the same roles but a 5 Star will feel limited vs their full potential. It will seem like a while that underperforms it parts when weighed against higher expectations. And he does not scale or adapt his offense that well. Dak had 0 300 yard games his sophomore year and only 1 300 yard game the magical 2014 season.

The result is we mostly controlled games that were winnable, we played fairly poorly from behind and consistently got our doors blown off by elite teams. In so doing, the offense is consistent rushing but there will very rarely be an elite passer and the wide receivers will have modest numbers while holding down significant blocking responsibilities.

State fans were thrilled with this. I don?t think UF fans will be very happy.

I do not see how he gets to the 10 wins a year he needs to keep his job there.


In 2015, Dak had 6 games with 300+ passing yards & 1 over 500 yards (@Arkansas) and finished the season with 3793 passing yards & 39 TD?s as Dan transitioned our offense from ground and pound to ?Air It Out?.

Dak also had over 30 pass attempts in all but 1 game where he played more than 1 series.

WR Fred Ross finished the 2015 season with over 1000 receiving yards (1007) & 7 total TD?s.
WR De?Runnya Wilson finished the 2015 season 918 yards & 10 receiving TD?s.

Just saying........

[SallyStansbury]

QUOTE]Mullen is an adequate recruiter but his misses are just unexplainable, they fall right through his hands - Cam, CJ Johnson, Whitehead, Raekwon, Lashley, Knott, AJ, etc[/QUOTE]

Crazy control freaks hate asking for things. They like to have the outcome known prior to asking for anything. With recruiting you must communicate with alumni and *ask* for support, or do it all yourself if you are Freeze et al., Mullen was arrogant and would not be bothered.

Mullen is also hyper competitive and hates to lose. Have a cycle or two of him and Hevesy?s superior efforts on the books with OleMiss swooping in to steal kids with excessive cash at the last second......and you have Mullen pouting and quitting and providing lists of excuses.

Those two things, coupled with his winning personality, defined his recruiting. Coffee is for closers only.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Here's the thing about Mullen- how good would we be with AJ Brown, Scott Lashley, and Cam Akers? I think Joe lands at least two of those three and probably more. Dan gave up on Akers because he didn't want to have to try to mend fences or work around his head coach so he just made up some BS about how Kylin Hill and Akers didn't like each other.

We did well in recruiting on the defensive side of the ball and that's because Dan's best non country club guys were on that side of the ball.

So, while we're good that doesn't mean that we're reaching our ceiling.

Im glad Mullen is gone and Joe is doing well but we were never getting Cam Akers and AJ Brown was a long shot. Along with what OM gave him the kid just wanted to go somewhere else other than starkville for 4 years. Lashley shouldve been a lock and is a perfect example of why Dan is Dan

[BuckyIsAB****]

I think we have routinely underestimated Mullen, because of POOR OLE MSU SYNDROME. He was ours so he had to suck. It doesn't matter now and I could care less, except when they face us. Time will tell.

He didnt want to be here. He wasnt giving us 100 percent and we gave him anything he ever asked for. When Cohen became AD he knew the gravy train was over so he dipped out like a thief in the night.

He was committing to other jobs on the week of our biggest game multiple times. What else would he have had to do for you to say we needed to move on?

Mullenites have no one to blame but themselves when yall were all proven wrong. Danny two gloves fleeced us. He got by. Bare minimum effort bc he thought thats all we deserved.

[RougeDawg]

He didnt want to be here. He wasnt giving us 100 percent and we gave him anything he ever asked for. When Cohen became AD he knew the gravy train was over so he dipped out like a thief in the night.

He was committing to other jobs on the week of our biggest game multiple times. What else would he have had to do for you to say we needed to move on?

Mullenites have no one to blame but themselves when yall were all proven wrong. Danny two gloves fleeced us. He got by. Bare minimum effort bc he thought thats all we deserved.

Liverpool will never believe that Keenum gave Two Gloves an ultimatum. Even though MK said this in front of me in the stadium walking from gridiron up to his box. It was the next home game after the USA loss I. Shorts. This was also corroborated by another person I have known for years in the AD.

It?s the same reason Loafers started shopping himself for jobs that same time. Not to mention Two gloves hiring Sexton right after this intense conversation.