Nearly every media tweet I have seen....

[Liverpooldawg]

says we should have been at the line with three seconds left to win it. Even Barrett Salee says we got robbed. We got robbed folks.

[DawgNamedScuba]

April Fools! We got tricked into having hope!

[maroonmania]

We got hosed but it should have never come down to that because MSU depending on refs is a bad recipe.

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State was up 15 in the third quarter and had their chances to put it away. Missed calls or not, you have to make shots. Not excusing the missed call on William at midcourt, but it's never one call.

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State was up 15 in the third quarter and had their chances to put it away. Missed calls or not, you have to make shots. Not excusing the missed call on William at midcourt, but it's never one call.


Ahem, Byron DeVinner.

[Bulldog1]

Did the officials miss T’s layup at the end? Or all the free throws?

[Commercecomet24]

Sure it?s never ?one call? but in championship games it often is one call. They didn?t play perfect we didn?t either but their one extra possession was the difference in the game.

[Coach34]

We lost because they defended us in the 2nd half and we couldnt score. End of story.

[Todd4State]

Sure it?s never ?one call? but in championship games it often is one call. They didn?t play perfect we didn?t either but their one extra possession was the difference in the game.

I'm not sure why some of our fans aren't getting this. It was TIED at the end. It's reasonable to assume that the other team didn't play perfectly either.

[tcdog70]

Did the officials miss T’s layup at the end? Or all the free throws?

They did miss several fouls on T. The next to last layup, she was hammered on the arm. Why do you think the ball went sideways.

[Bulldog1]

1) We should?ve played Ro and Danberry more in 3rd Q.
2) We should?ve fouled on the last inbound- had a foul to give.
3) Make our free throws and layups.

[tcdog70]

Mo was mugged and it the Refs calls a blatant ass foul we are National Champs. What ever else happened at that point doesn't mean shit. 3 seconds we are hammered and somehow they get the ball. Bullshit

[Bulldog1]

They did miss several fouls on T. The next to last layup, she was hammered on the arm. Why do you think the ball went sideways.

There were some questionable calls and no calls, but that did not lose the game. We were 10-17 from FT Line, T was 4-8.

[Coach34]

The refs didnt cost us anything. Stop being sore losers- we lost this game. We were up 15 in the 3rd and we didnt handle business. Its 100% on us

[msstate7]

The refs didnt cost us anything. Stop being sore losers- we lost this game. We were up 15 in the 3rd and we didnt handle business. Its 100% on us

Yep

[Bulldog1]

The refs didnt cost us anything. Stop being sore losers- we lost this game. We were up 15 in the 3rd and we didnt handle business. Its 100% on us

Correct.

[Coursesuper]

The refs didnt cost us anything. Stop being sore losers- we lost this game. We were up 15 in the 3rd and we didnt handle business. Its 100% on us

Yes, we didn’t handle our biz but that last play was horrible and it cost us.

[Mjoelner34]

1) We should?ve played Ro and Danberry more in 3rd Q.
2) We should?ve fouled on the last inbound- had a foul to give.
3) Make our free throws and layups.
Agree on those 3 and will add 2 more.
4) Don't go into the 'Stansbury Stall' with 5 minutes left in the game.
5) Its not that the call was missed. It's more of an issue when the call was missed. There are missed calls both ways in every game. When a blatant foul like that is missed that late in a tight or tie game, you don't have a chance to overcome it. If that call was missed with 6 minutes left, win or lose we wouldn't be talking about it.

[Tbonewannabe]

The refs didnt cost us anything. Stop being sore losers- we lost this game. We were up 15 in the 3rd and we didnt handle business. Its 100% on us

So if you are playing for the state title and your WR gets dragged down by his collar on the winning TD pass you will just say Oh Well? We did a lot of things wrong that could have won the game but the non call on the tackle of Mo decided the game by giving them the possession to win.

[Coach34]

So if you are playing for the state title and your WR gets dragged down by his collar on the winning TD pass you will just say Oh Well? We did a lot of things wrong that could have won the game but the non call on the tackle of Mo decided the game by giving them the possession to win.

If I was up 2 TD's in the 3rd Q? Absolutely. We didnt handle our business

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State was up 15 in the third quarter and had their chances to put it away. Missed calls or not, you have to make shots. Not excusing the missed call on William at midcourt, but it's never one call.


That's not a disagreement

[Percho]

There were some questionable calls and no calls, but that did not lose the game. We were 10-17 from FT Line, T was 4-8.

Hey, William may have missed both of those free throws but she should have had the opportunity to shoot them.

Do you agree or not?

[maroonmania]

Sure it?s never ?one call? but in championship games it often is one call. They didn?t play perfect we didn?t either but their one extra possession was the difference in the game.

True, its never one call, but when there is 5 seconds left and a tie game, it CERTAINLY can be one call. And tonight it was. They call the foul with Morgan shooting free throws we likely win the game but with the no call and foul on Big T and its over for us. Even if it went to OT I didn't see us having much chance without McCowan even though she was wasted by the end of the game.

[Bulldog1]

Hey, William may have missed both of those free throws but she should have had the opportunity to shoot them.

Do you agree or not?

That was a foul, but the game should have not come down to that (see my above post, #11 in this thread for some explanation). That’s all I’m saying; it shouldn’t have came to that.

[Commercecomet24]

True, its never one call, but when there is 5 seconds left and a tie game, it CERTAINLY can be one call. And tonight it was. They call the foul with Morgan shooting free throws we likely win the game but with the no call and foul on Big T and its over for us. Even if it went to OT I didn't see us having much chance without McCowan even though she was wasted by the end of the game.

100% agree with you.

[Coach007]

That was a foul, but the game should have not come down to that (see my above post, #11 in this thread for some explanation). That’s all I’m saying; it shouldn’t have came to that.

But it did! And when it does, the game should have been called properly.

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State was up 15 in the third quarter and had their chances to put it away. Missed calls or not, you have to make shots. Not excusing the missed call on William at midcourt, but it's never one call.


Actually agreed with me there 34. Typical of you. . I'm not arguing that it that it never should have come to that, it shouldn't have. The fact remains that it did. We got the stop and a clear pass for a layup that was stopped by blatant foul that wasn't called.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

1) We should?ve played Ro and Danberry more in 3rd Q.
2) We should?ve fouled on the last inbound- had a foul to give.
3) Make our free throws and layups.

^^^^^This^^^^^

[maroonmania]

If I was up 2 TD's in the 3rd Q? Absolutely. We didnt handle our business

True, but ND didn't handle theirs in the first half. We sucked in the 3rd, they sucked in the 2nd. But like I said, MSU depending on a call from the ref is almost always not going to work for us.

[Liverpooldawg]

That's not a disagreement

Actually it's agreeing with me.

[Coach007]

Actually agreed with me there 34. Typical of you. . I'm not arguing that it that it never should have come to that, it shouldn't have. The fact remains that it did. We got the stop and a clear pass for a layup that was stopped by blatant foul that wasn't called.

This can't be stated enough. Yes, we didn't do some things right. But with the GAME ON THE LINE, WE MADE THE STOP.... and the refs took that away from the team. They gave the ball back to ND

[Commercecomet24]

Actually agreed with me there 34. Typical of you. . I'm not arguing that it that it never should have come to that, it shouldn't have. The fact remains that it did. We got the stop and a clear pass for a layup that was stopped by blatant foul that wasn't called.

Yep. They basically intentionally fouled mo cause they knew we had a layup but it didn?t get called and then T had to foul to prevent their layup. Completely reversed everything

[Commercecomet24]

This can't be stated enough. Yes, we didn't do some things right. But with the GAME ON THE LINE, WE MADE THE STOP.... and the refs took that away from the team. They gave the ball back to ND

Right. We made what should?ve been a game winning play but it was wiped out by a no call and then called us for a foul.

[bulldawg28]

The refs didnt cost us anything. Stop being sore losers- we lost this game. We were up 15 in the 3rd and we didnt handle business. Its 100% on us

Truth

[bulldawg28]

Actually agreed with me there 34. Typical of you. . I'm not arguing that it that it never should have come to that, it shouldn't have. The fact remains that it did. We got the stop and a clear pass for a layup that was stopped by blatant foul that wasn't called.

One missed call didn't cost us the game when we had 40 mins to put it away.

[Percho]

That was a foul, but the game should have not come down to that (see my above post, #11 in this thread for some explanation). That’s all I’m saying; it shouldn’t have came to that.

I agree. If we had hit all our shots and they had hit all theirs we would have won 185 to 148.

We just ain't no good except at getting shots.

[Percho]

If we had a 10 point lead that foul would not have mattered but we didn't have a 10 point lead the game was tied. That obvious foul that was not called cost us an opportunity to win A NC with a 85 % free shooter shooting for the win.

In my opinion refereeing cost us the game.

[Liverpooldawg]

One missed call didn't cost us the game when we had 40 mins to put it away.

I’m not arguing that. I agree with you. The fact remains that we made the play to potentially win it anyway and it was negated by a blatant foul that wasn’t called. Quit making excuses for bad officiating. By doing so you are making it worse.

[bulldawg28]

I’m not arguing that. I agree with you. The fact remains that we made the play to potentially win it anyway and it was negated by a blatant foul that wasn’t called. Quit making excuses for bad officiating. By doing so you are making it worse.

Your making it worse by blaming an entire game on one call that didn't impact the game. We still had a chance to play defense and go into overtime. If we are honest the refs helped us against Louisville. The last second missed shot was a foul that was not called to our benefit. We won in OT

[Liverpooldawg]

Your making it worse by blaming an entire game on one call that didn't impact the game. We still had a chance to play defense and go into overtime. If we are honest the refs helped us against Louisville. The last second missed shot was a foul that was not called to our benefit. We won in OT

I’m not blaming the entire game on one call. I’m blaming that one call that had it been made properly would have had us at the line with three seconds left in a tie game. Had the foul not been made we get a layup to win at the buzzer. I also suggest you take a look at the officiating in the third quarter.

If you think we were winning that game without Sweet T in overtime you are deluded.

[Coach007]

Your making it worse by blaming an entire game on one call that didn't impact the game. We still had a chance to play defense and go into overtime. If we are honest the refs helped us against Louisville. The last second missed shot was a foul that was not called to our benefit. We won in OT

Nobody is blaming an entire game on it. We are blaming them for factual details.

We played well enough to be tied and in need a play. Our team stepped up and made that play! There is no disputing that. That's not a hypothetical. That's reality. Nothing prior to that point matters. We EARNED the defensive stop and the refs took that away.

You can say all day that we should have made our shots. They can say the same thing. All of that offsets. What does NOT offset is with the game on the line and it tied up, our girls made the stop they had to. The refs then decided how it would play out in the end.

[Commercecomet24]

Nobody is blaming an entire game on it. We are blaming them for factual details.

We played well enough to be tied and in need a play. Our team stepped up and made that play! There is no disputing that. That's not a hypothetical. That's reality. Nothing prior to that point matters. We EARNED the defensive stop and the refs took that away.

You can say all day that we should have made our shots. They can say the same thing. All of that offsets. What does NOT offset is with the game on the line and it tied up, our girls made the stop they had to. The refs then decided how it would play out in the end.

Right. Don?t know why people can?t understand this. Dang we had a freaking layup to win the game until
Mo was tackled, the game would?ve been over. At the very least she should?ve been shooting fts. Our girls stepped up and made a play to win
It and it was negated by officiating

[Coach007]

Right. Don?t know why people can?t understand this. Dang we had a freaking layup to win the game until
Mo was tackled, the game would?ve been over. At the very least she should?ve been shooting fts. Our girls stepped up and made a play to win
It and it was negated by officiating

YEP!

[maroonmania]

One of the reasons that basketball is behind football and baseball for me is because refs have so much control of the game. Especially given the fact that foul calls can send a player out of the game.

[Bdawg]

Right. Don?t know why people can?t understand this. Dang we had a freaking layup to win the game until
Mo was tackled, the game would?ve been over. At the very least she should?ve been shooting fts. Our girls stepped up and made a play to win
It and it was negated by officiating

It?s not hard. Some people just don?t like blaming the officials. Now I?m not one to always blame officials, but I believe it is totally justifiable to put the blame on them when they make a mistake in a CRUCIAL situations( like in a tie game with 5 secs to go). Now some people say we shouldn?t have been in that spot in the first place, and I understand what they are saying. You can go back and play the what if game all you want but it doesn?t change the fact that we were tied up late in the game with still a chance to win it. Matter of fact, we made the defensive stop to win it, was pushing the ball up the court on a break trying to win, when in the process the refs botched a call that led to big T having to foul and giving the game winning shot to the other team instead of us being at the line with our best FT shooter. So in this instance I say blame the refs wholeheartedly.

[Commercecomet24]

It?s not hard. Some people just don?t like blaming the officials. Now I?m not one to always blame officials, but I believe it is totally justifiable to put the blame on them when they make a mistake in a CRUCIAL situations( like in a tie game with 5 secs to go). Now some people say we shouldn?t have been in that spot in the first place, and I understand what they are saying. You can go back and play the what if game all you want but it doesn?t change the fact that we were tied up late in the game with still a chance to win it. Matter of fact, we made the defensive stop to win it, was pushing the ball up the court on a break trying to win, when in the process the refs botched a call that led to big T having to foul and giving the game winning shot to the other team instead of us being at the line with our best FT shooter. So in this instance I say blame the refs wholeheartedly.

That?s my perspective as well.

[Todd4State]

One of the reasons that basketball is behind football and baseball for me is because refs have so much control of the game. Especially given the fact that foul calls can send a player out of the game.

Baseball can be every bit as bad if you have a ridiculous home plate umpire.

[smootness]

How do people not understand that we would have lost anyway? Say we make both FTs. Great. We still lose by 1 with that shot at the end.

[Bully75]

How do people not understand that we would have lost anyway? Say we make both FTs. Great. We still lose by 1 with that shot at the end.

Shot at the end doesn’t happen because they’d have to go length of the court to shoot. No call on Mo cost us the game. End of discussion.

[Bulldog1]

Shot at the end doesn?t happen because they?d have to go length of the court to shoot. No call on Mo cost us the game. End of discussion.

No they wouldn?t. They had a timeout which would advance the ball to mid-court.

[smootness]

Shot at the end doesn’t happen because they’d have to go length of the court to shoot. No call on Mo cost us the game. End of discussion.

They would have been able to inbound it from basically the exact same spot with actually more time on the clock. Th is no call cost us nothing. I have no idea why we’re even talking about it, except that it feels good to blame somebody else.

[Bdawg]

They would have been able to inbound it from basically the exact same spot with actually more time on the clock. Th is no call cost us nothing. I have no idea why we’re even talking about it, except that it feels good to blame somebody else.

Wrong. Big T would have still been in the game and being up two could have totally changed our defense or they may have done something differently offensively. Heck, Morgan may have made one and missed the second and they had the length of the court to go. You just can’t say it would have played out the same way if the call was made.

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State was up 15 in the third quarter and had their chances to put it away. Missed calls or not, you have to make shots. Not excusing the missed call on William at midcourt, but it's never one call.



Do you know what "NEARLY" means?

[smootness]

Wrong. Big T would have still been in the game and being up two could have totally changed our defense or they may have done something differently offensively. Heck, Morgan may have made one and missed the second and they had the length of the court to go. You just can’t say it would have played out the same way if the call was made.

Again, they would not have had to go the length of the court. They had a timeout.

And you’re not going to play better defense on the inbound than we did. You’re not going to give them a tougher shot. They made the shot and won by 3.

Saying ‘that no call cost us the game,’ even if it was a bad no call, is wrong. Could it have changed something about the way the end played out? Sure. Would ND have still been able to get a shot at the end to win it? Yes. Would it have been a harder shot than the one they made? No.

[dawgs]

Why can?t we have failed to close out like we should, but ultimately still should have gotten a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS FOUL CALL WITH 3 SECONDS LEFT to put us at the line with a chance to go ahead? They aren?t mutually exclusive events, and both are true statements. Because someone missed some 3s and FTs never excuses a BLATANT MISSED FOUL CALL IN THE CLOSING SECONDS in a tied game. Maybe ND should have scored more than 3 points in the 2nd quarter, but that doesn?t mean they deserve to have the game swung in the final seconds on a BLATANTLY MISSED CALL either.

[dawgs]

Again, they would not have had to go the length of the court. They had a timeout.

And you’re not going to play better defense on the inbound than we did. You’re not going to give them a tougher shot. They made the shot and won by 3.

Saying ‘that no call cost us the game,’ even if it was a bad no call, is wrong. Could it have changed something about the way the end played out? Sure. Would ND have still been able to get a shot at the end to win it? Yes. Would it have been a harder shot than the one they made? No.

Maybe she misses the 2nd and we get the rebound. Whatever the case, the ND girl doesn’t take that same shot in the exact same moment and situation, and that’s all I’d ask for because she ain’t making that shot more then a couple times out of 100 attempts.

[Bulldog1]

We had a foul to give. Use it!

[BrunswickDawg]

Couple of things - for the ones saying "we didn't finish it" because we blew a 15 pt lead - It was a National Title game. Most basketball title games ebb and flow just like ours did. You could make the same argument about the 8 point lead ND had early. They had us down big early and couldn't put us away.

The officiating in this game completely changed in the 3rd quarter. Each team had 1 foul in the 1st. Each team had 1 foul called in the 2nd.
7 called on state and 4 called on ND in the 3rd. In the 4th, State had 3 fouls and ND 5. The ref's completely changed how they were calling the game - on both teams - in the 2nd half. That lack of consistency changes the game dramatically. It changes the aggressiveness of players. It slows the game down by never allowing one team to build a consistent flow offensively. It takes players off the floor. And - other than the fact that we were blowing ND out, there is no reason for them to have changed how the game was called. To have changed how the game was being called, and then have the ending dramatically shaped by a blatant NON-Call to me is a reason to blame the refs in this. Consistency is all people want to see. They were not consistent and that allowed the refs to impact the game.

[tcdog70]

Baseball can be every bit as bad if you have a ridiculous home plate umpire.

usually it is the same for both teams--doesn't compare to the screwing we took yesterday

[Bdawg]

Again, they would not have had to go the length of the court. They had a timeout.

And you’re not going to play better defense on the inbound than we did. You’re not going to give them a tougher shot. They made the shot and won by 3.

Saying ‘that no call cost us the game,’ even if it was a bad no call, is wrong. Could it have changed something about the way the end played out? Sure. Would ND have still been able to get a shot at the end to win it? Yes. Would it have been a harder shot than the one they made? No.

We’ll just have to disagree on the end playing out the exact same way if we had gotten the call.

[tcdog70]

Again, they would not have had to go the length of the court. They had a timeout.

And you’re not going to play better defense on the inbound than we did. You’re not going to give them a tougher shot. They made the shot and won by 3.

Saying ‘that no call cost us the game,’ even if it was a bad no call, is wrong. Could it have changed something about the way the end played out? Sure. Would ND have still been able to get a shot at the end to win it? Yes. Would it have been a harder shot than the one they made? No.

Smoot-if we were up--we for sure would have fouled--at best we were going to OT without T and really thought to defend rather than foul Victoria out . if we were ahead it is a whole different scenario

[smootness]

We had a foul to give. Use it!

This all day. Inexcusable.

[smootness]

Smoot-if we were up--we for sure would have fouled--at best we were going to OT without T and really thought to defend rather than foul Victoria out . if we were ahead it is a whole different scenario

I have a hard time believing that since it's actually more necessary to foul when tied and we still didn't do that.

[Bdawg]

This all day. Inexcusable.

I will say I thought we should have fouled too, Shane Powers said it was the right move not to foul when the girl was moving toward the basket. IDK

[tcdog70]

Couple of things - for the ones saying "we didn't finish it" because we blew a 15 pt lead - It was a National Title game. Most basketball title games ebb and flow just like ours did. You could make the same argument about the 8 point lead ND had early. They had us down big early and couldn't put us away.

The officiating in this game completely changed in the 3rd quarter. Each team had 1 foul in the 1st. Each team had 1 foul called in the 2nd.
7 called on state and 4 called on ND in the 3rd. In the 4th, State had 3 fouls and ND 5. The ref's completely changed how they were calling the game - on both teams - in the 2nd half. That lack of consistency changes the game dramatically. It changes the aggressiveness of players. It slows the game down by never allowing one team to build a consistent flow offensively. It takes players off the floor. And - other than the fact that we were blowing ND out, there is no reason for them to have changed how the game was called. To have changed how the game was being called, and then have the ending dramatically shaped by a blatant NON-Call to me is a reason to blame the refs in this. Consistency is all people want to see. They were not consistent and that allowed the refs to impact the game.

another point--in the third, we were missing shots and they were in transition and driving to the rack. They weren't running their offense, which we shut down. They made an adjustment(which we helped by not scoring) and just let their best players drive. This is what we should have done with Victoria. when we were up 15 we should have given Her the ball and said shoot and Big T you rebound. We would have never given up the lead . if Victoria had driven She would have fouled out their Big players--Vic chose to throw the ball around the horn till the shot clock ran down and throw up a prayer. bad move.

[tcdog70]

One missed call didn't cost us the game when we had 40 mins to put it away.

THE 40 MINUTES OF PLAY PUT US IN POSITION TO STEAL THE BALL AND WIN THE GAME--WE DID THEY DIDN'T CALL IT.

[smootness]

I will say I thought we should have fouled too, Shane Powers said it was the right move not to foul when the girl was moving toward the basket. IDK

We had two fouls to give. Once she catches it, you foul her. Even if only .5 seconds comes off the clock, you still have another foul to give and they have to inbound it again.

Sure, we forced them into a very tough shot, so maybe Schaefer said that so long as it's on the perimeter and will be a heave, let it go. But I still think the right move there is clearly to foul twice. Get that clock down to around a second.

[Tbonewannabe]

We had two fouls to give. Once she catches it, you foul her. Even if only .5 seconds comes off the clock, you still have another foul to give and they have to inbound it again.

Sure, we forced them into a very tough shot, so maybe Schaefer said that so long as it's on the perimeter and will be a heave, let it go. But I still think the right move there is clearly to foul twice. Get that clock down to around a second.

I didn't think about it at the time but I would have let her dribble for a second then do a reach in foul and try to steal the ball. You might bat it away out of bounds or they let you mug the girl like Mo got tackled and not call the foul. The way they were calling touch fouls on that end, it would have been a foul and they have to throw the ball in again. I actually thought they would throw it in to the big girl since they just fouled out T. She would have probably gotten a whistle since they did almost every time they got the ball in the post.

[bulldawg28]

THE 40 MINUTES OF PLAY PUT US IN POSITION TO STEAL THE BALL AND WIN THE GAME--WE DID THEY DIDN'T CALL IT.

Blame it on the rain.

[Dawg50]

It shouldn't have come to that, if we had made just 50% of those free throws or the open lay ups, but we definitely should have used that foul and not let her get any shot off. Still proud of our girls for this incredible season.

[Liverpooldawg]

It shouldn't have come to that, if we had made just 50% of those free throws or the open lay ups, but we definitely should have used that foul and not let her get any shot off. Still proud of our girls for this incredible season.

But it DID come to that.