RIP Dr. Stephen Hawking

[Lord McBuckethead]

His postulations changed the world's view of well maybe everything. Well done sir. Hope to see you on the other side.

[Lord McBuckethead]

The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

[Bothrops]

His postulations changed the world's view of well maybe everything. Well done sir. Hope to see you on the other side.

According to Dr. Stephen Hawking, there won't be another side to see him on.

[Dawg61]

According to Dr. Stephen Hawking, there won't be another side to see him on.

I feel like he'd give you rep for this so I'll do it for him. RIP Dr. Stephen Hawking

[gravedigger]

According to Dr. Stephen Hawking, there won't be another side to see him on.

Not true

[fader2103]

Not true

"Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation. What I meant by 'we would know the mind of God' is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn't. I'm an atheist." Dr. Stephen Hawkings from an interview with Pablo Jauregui

[ababyatemydingo]

Some of the things going on at CERN in Switzerland / France changed his mind on the existence of God, heaven and hell. That?s where the large hadron collider is. If any of you are interested in things like that, google ?CERN portal opened?. Will make the hair stand up on the back of your neck. They are doing some scary things there, that are seriously unbelievable and incomprehensible, since the discovery of the ?God particle? a few years ago.

[TrapGame]

Some of the things going on at CERN in Switzerland / France changed his mind on the existence of God, heaven and hell. That?s where the large hadron collider is. If any of you are interested in things like that, google ?CERN portal opened?. Will make the hair stand up on the back of your neck. They are doing some scary things there, that are seriously unbelievable and incomprehensible, since the discovery of the ?God particle? a few years ago.

Thanks to CERN our reality is unraveling like a cheap sweater (The Mandela Effect!)***

[Lord McBuckethead]

CERN is awesome.

[dparker]

Interesting fact. Hawking was born on Isaac Newton’s birthday and died on Einstein’s

[sleepy dawg]

Some of the things going on at CERN in Switzerland / France changed his mind on the existence of God, heaven and hell. That?s where the large hadron collider is. If any of you are interested in things like that, google ?CERN portal opened?. Will make the hair stand up on the back of your neck. They are doing some scary things there, that are seriously unbelievable and incomprehensible, since the discovery of the ?God particle? a few years ago.
You mean this?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/clouds-over-geneva-show-cern-opening-a-portal-to-a-new-dimension/

[msstate7]

Some of the things going on at CERN in Switzerland / France changed his mind on the existence of God, heaven and hell. That?s where the large hadron collider is. If any of you are interested in things like that, google ?CERN portal opened?. Will make the hair stand up on the back of your neck. They are doing some scary things there, that are seriously unbelievable and incomprehensible, since the discovery of the ?God particle? a few years ago.

Very interesting. Rep given... well tried too

[sleepy dawg]

https://i.redd.it/budq6xlzxol01.jpg

[Cooterpoot]

I don't care how intelligent he was. It was no comparison to how intelligent he thought he was. Damn quack....

[BeardoMSU]

I don't care how intelligent he was. It was no comparison to how intelligent he thought he was. Damn quack....

Here we go...

[ScoobaDawg]

I don't care how intelligent he was. It was no comparison to how intelligent he thought he was. Damn quack....


Interesting... Can I ask what your Ph D is in? Just curious...

[ababyatemydingo]

You mean this?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/clouds-over-geneva-show-cern-opening-a-portal-to-a-new-dimension/

No, i don't meant that, internet cowboy. I'm referring to the real research. Not snopes BS, or youtube "mandela effect" morons.

[Cooterpoot]

Interesting... Can I ask what your Ph D is in? Just curious...

Ha. You believe a degree is a sign of intelligence beyond being intelligent enough to get it? I've seen enough dumbassery from "intelligent" people to know it doesn't matter. Nobody debates he was intelligent. But he also had a lot of outlandish BS going through that giant brain of his. He was an arrogant quack.

[ScoobaDawg]

No, i don't meant that, internet cowboy. I'm referring to the real research. Not snopes BS, or youtube "mandela effect" morons.


Since you wan't like an expert on the subject...show us some proof that snopes doesn't discredit with verified facts..
Mr. Internet Badass.

[ScoobaDawg]

Ha. You believe a degree is a sign of intelligence beyond being intelligent enough to get it? I've seen enough dumbassery from "intelligent" people to know it doesn't matter. Nobody debates he was intelligent. But he also had a lot of outlandish BS going through that giant brain of his. He was an arrogant quack.

Nah.. I really don't believe that..it' was me just me being a Smartass. I generally believe he was a very intelligent man who did more to help the world and open new light on new subjects.. than some things you might believe he was wrong about. Hardly a quack.

[BeardoMSU]

dumbassery...arrogant quack.

I'm sure you're a equal-opportunist when it comes to dishing out these awards...

[ababyatemydingo]

Since you wan't like an expert on the subject...show us some proof that snopes doesn't discredit with verified facts..
Mr. Internet Badass.


I bet you're a riot at parties. First of all, I wasn't replying to you. Seems you'd know that based on the quote. Second of all, you don't appear to be a very smart guy. In this post, or any of the others I've seen. Just a bullshite artist. So, not really a good place for you to be getting out of your lane. It won't end well for you. But if you insist....Here goes, sunshine...

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/opening-strange-portals-in-physics-92901090/"]https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/opening-strange-portals-in-physics-92901090/

And another. Skip on down to 7,6,5,4,3,2, & especially 1, if you aren't patient enough to read the whole article.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/313922-cern-collider-hadron-higgs/"]https://www.rt.com/op-ed/313922-cern-collider-hadron-higgs/

Here's another

https://futurism.com/cern-research-finds-the-universe-should-not-actually-exist/"]https://futurism.com/cern-research-finds-the-universe-should-not-actually-exist/

and finally,

https://www.livescience.com/47737-stephen-hawking-higgs-boson-universe-doomsday.html"]https://www.livescience.com/47737-stephen-hawking-higgs-boson-universe-doomsday.html

Just because something is too complicated for you to wrap your head around doesn't mean it isn't true.

[TrapGame]

No, i don't meant that, internet cowboy. I'm referring to the real research. Not snopes BS, or youtube "mandela effect" morons.

The Bernstein Bears mysterious name change, the missing member of The Facts of Life cast, 80's movies nobody can remember!! That shit's real dude!!****************************

[TrapGame]

I bet you're a riot at parties. First of all, I wasn't replying to you. Seems you'd know that based on the quote. Second of all, you don't appear to be a very smart guy. In this post, or any of the others I've seen. Just a bullshite artist. So, not really a good place for you to be getting out of your lane. It won't end well for you. But if you insist....Here goes, sunshine...

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/opening-strange-portals-in-physics-92901090/"]https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/opening-strange-portals-in-physics-92901090/

And another. Skip on down to 7,6,5,4,3,2, & especially 1, if you aren't patient enough to read the whole article.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/313922-cern-collider-hadron-higgs/"]https://www.rt.com/op-ed/313922-cern-collider-hadron-higgs/

Here's another

https://futurism.com/cern-research-finds-the-universe-should-not-actually-exist/"]https://futurism.com/cern-research-finds-the-universe-should-not-actually-exist/

and finally,

https://www.livescience.com/47737-stephen-hawking-higgs-boson-universe-doomsday.html"]https://www.livescience.com/47737-stephen-hawking-higgs-boson-universe-doomsday.html

Just because something is too complicated for you to wrap your head around doesn't mean it isn't true.

Damn, your Dr. Sheldon Cooper!!

https://media.giphy.com/media/7KLFdIFNmXQmQ/giphy.gif

[mparkerfd20]

Brilliant mind, busting open the gates of hell today.

[BeardoMSU]

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/ee78cbc5-c284-4f91-94b8-85d22d79c4bb

[BeastMan]

It?s amazing the amount of backlash the news of his death has gotten from Christians.... Sad

[ScoobaDawg]

I bet you're a riot at parties. First of all, I wasn't replying to you. Seems you'd know that based on the quote. Second of all, you don't appear to be a very smart guy. In this post, or any of the others I've seen. Just a bullshite artist. So, not really a good place for you to be getting out of your lane. It won't end well for you. But if you insist....Here goes, sunshine...

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/opening-strange-portals-in-physics-92901090/"]https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/opening-strange-portals-in-physics-92901090/

And another. Skip on down to 7,6,5,4,3,2, & especially 1, if you aren't patient enough to read the whole article.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/313922-cern-collider-hadron-higgs/"]https://www.rt.com/op-ed/313922-cern-collider-hadron-higgs/

Here's another

https://futurism.com/cern-research-finds-the-universe-should-not-actually-exist/"]https://futurism.com/cern-research-finds-the-universe-should-not-actually-exist/

and finally,

https://www.livescience.com/47737-stephen-hawking-higgs-boson-universe-doomsday.html"]https://www.livescience.com/47737-stephen-hawking-higgs-boson-universe-doomsday.html

Just because something is too complicated for you to wrap your head around doesn't mean it isn't true.


Wow... where do I start.. First off.. learn how to link shit you dumbass. pasting it 3 times makes's your post look like shit.
and just because I asked for your proof means I can't understand it? Wow.. maybe I was interested in reading and judging and debating what your thought process was, since you are not the king of all minds and ruler of the free thoughts. I'm sorry your little brain can't seem to understand that.

Thanks for the links. Now eat shit.

[Cooterpoot]

Nah.. I really don't believe that..it' was me just me being a Smartass. I generally believe he was a very intelligent man who did more to help the world and open new light on new subjects.. than some things you might believe he was wrong about. Hardly a quack.

I can go with that. I've read enough of his stuff and seen enough interviews to know he was starting to slide off into his abyss of arrogance later in life. He began talking down to people way more than I cared for. Very narcissistic in his later years.

[BeardoMSU]

It?s amazing the amount of backlash the news of his death has gotten from Christians.... Sad

Science is evil man...

[BeardoMSU]

starting to slide off into his abyss of arrogance...He began talking down to people...Very narcissistic

Lol...

[Dawg61]

Wow... where do I start.. First off.. learn how to link shit you dumbass. pasting it 3 times makes's your post look like shit.
and just because I asked for your proof means I can't understand it? Wow.. maybe I was interested in reading and judging and debating what your thought process was, since you are not the king of all minds and ruler of the free thoughts. I'm sorry your little brain can't seem to understand that.

Thanks for the links. Now eat shit.

https://media.giphy.com/media/LrC1m7Ay3xsha/giphy.gif

[turkish]

It?s amazing the amount of backlash the news of his death has gotten from Christians.... Sad
Yep. Those being critical are doing the proverbial ?mud wrestling with pigs,? for which they?ll one day answer.

[vv83]

https://media.giphy.com/media/LrC1m7Ay3xsha/giphy.gif

Nothing he said was a burn... lol

[LC Dawg]

I consider myself an intelligent human but I will admit that I don't understand a majority of the things Dr. Hawking talked about. I also think that if someone does truly understand a majority of what he talked about they are really wasting their time on a sports message board. I think a lot of people are like me in that they have a passing knowledge of Dr. Hawking's works and some we agree with and some we think are bullshit. I also think if we were asked to prove either argument we would be helpless.
It's hard to argue that Dr. Hawking's existence was not beneficial to our existence.

[TUSK]

For some reason, this thread reminded me of this:

(it's like "multiple choice", n shite...)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Competence_Hierarchy_adapted_from_Noel_Burch_by_Ig or_Kokcharov.svg/683px-Competence_Hierarchy_adapted_from_Noel_Burch_by_Ig or_Kokcharov.svg.png

[Cooterpoot]

I'm sure you're a equal-opportunist when it comes to dishing out these awards...

Yeah, you up for one? And no, I'm not on the religion vs science train (as it appears you're assuming). The guy simply became a bit of a loon later in life. Maybe it was the ALS. Maybe, like many super intelligent people, he simply lost it to a point. Some people can't turn off their brains. Eventually it eats them up. Who knows...I found myself turning off his interviews, where I once listened and was interested in what he had to say.

[Dawgology]

Ha. You believe a degree is a sign of intelligence beyond being intelligent enough to get it? I've seen enough dumbassery from "intelligent" people to know it doesn't matter. Nobody debates he was intelligent. But he also had a lot of outlandish BS going through that giant brain of his. He was an arrogant quack.

He wasn't a quack. You may disagree with him but that doesn't equate to him being a dumbass or a quack. It just means you have a different opinion or don't understand his theory completely...which a good scientist will welcome as it leads to growth and development of theories. I see this argument made a lot in Mississippi by those that lack higher education. Those with advanced educations are often referred to as "lacking common sense" or they "don't have street smarts just book smarts". I think this stems from a lack of education in and appreciation of science in Mississippi. That lack can be attributed to multiple reasons that I don't want to get in to here. There are great and wonderful thinkers in this world and their ideas and theories have led to amazing advancements in the medical field, technology, and understanding our universe and our place in it. Just because they don't know how to change the oil in a vehicle or plow a field doesn't mean they aren't intelligent. Also, a lot of people in the South mistake confidence for arrogance for whatever reason.

[Cooterpoot]

He wasn't a quack. You may disagree with him but that doesn't equate to him being a dumbass or a quack. It just means you have a different opinion or don't understand his theory completely...which a good scientist will welcome as it leads to growth and development of theories. I see this argument made a lot in Mississippi by those that lack higher education. Those with advanced educations are often referred to as "lacking common sense" or they "don't have street smarts just book smarts". I think this stems from a lack of education in and appreciation of science in Mississippi. That lack can be attributed to multiple reasons that I don't want to get in to here. There are great and wonderful thinkers in this world and their ideas and theories have led to amazing advancements in the medical field, technology, and understanding our universe and our place in it. Just because they don't know how to change the oil in a vehicle or plow a field doesn't mean they aren't intelligent. Also, a lot of people in the South mistake confidence for arrogance for whatever reason.

You're reading too much into what I said. Don't over-think it.

[K9 Avenger]

Science is evil man...

Only if you don't know how many genders there are or which bathroom to use***

[bostondawg]

Dr. Hawking was kind of a piece of shit in his personal life. That is mostly irrelevant to his scientific prowess--he is a legend who moved our understanding of physics forward immensely. In full disclosure: a hero to many young scientists, including me. To suggest that he's a quack or that his arrogance clouded his thought process is to completely misunderstand the magnitude of what Hawking did and discovered.

[Coach007]

Was there a rip Dr Grahamn thread?

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Was there a rip Dr Grahamn thread?
Yup

http://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?64614-OT-Billy-Graham-Dead-at-99&highlight=Graham

ETA: you're going to tell me you aren't, but you have to be absolutely miserable looking at every event as an "us vs them" political situation.

[BeardoMSU]

Was there a rip Dr Grahamn thread?

Yes there was. And it was fine.

Also, if we're going to start recognizing honorary doctorates, I must insist we also recognize:

Dr. Sean "Puffy" Combs
Dr. Dolly Parton
Dr. Jon Bon Jovi
Dr. LL Cool J
Dr. William Shatner
Dr. Shaquille O'Neal

et al.

*********

[Dawg61]

Was there a rip Dr Grahamn thread?

Why does that matter? Amazing to me y'all can't just say RIP to a man that had a big impact on this world despite severe limitations. If someone can't find some inspiration in what he was able to accomplish in his life despite all the obstacles he faced they've got issues.

[BeardoMSU]

Yup

http://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?64614-OT-Billy-Graham-Dead-at-99&highlight=Graham

ETA: you're going to tell me you aren't, but you have to be absolutely miserable looking at every event as an "us vs them" political situation.

Oh, he is...without a doubt.

[BeardoMSU]

Why does that matter? Amazing to me y'all can't just say RIP to a man that had a big impact on this world despite severe limitations. If someone can't find some inspiration in what he was able to accomplish in his life despite all the obstacles he faced they've got issues.

This^^^

[mstatefan91]

He was a meanie butt who didn't believe in God so now he's burning********

I've seen several posts like this on facebook.. why do I get on social media???

Thank you, Dr. Hawking

[BulldogDX55]

All I'll say is that maybe the man should have put a few points into strength and Constitution instead of pumping it all into Intelligence and Wisdom. Perhaps he could have done as most nerds do and used Charisma as his dump stat.

[Liverpooldawg]

I don’t know enough about him or what he worked on to really comment. Judging by this thread I’m far from alone.

[BeastMan]

Was there a rip Dr Grahamn thread?

Yes. You need to take something to heart or you’re going to be miserable forever. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. Doesn’t matter what others do. If your “side” is wrong it’s just wrong. It doesn’t matter if the other “side” did something wrong too. How the deaths of Billy Graham or Stephen Hawking is politically partisan is absolutely ridiculous and a sign. Both men had great contributions to society in totally different realms.

[mparkerfd20]

Oh I bet he believes in God now.

[TrapGame]

All I'll say is that maybe the man should have put a few points into strength and Constitution instead of pumping it all into Intelligence and Wisdom. Perhaps he could have done as most nerds do and used Charisma as his dump stat.

Roll for initiative m'fer!**

[TheRef]

Roll for initiative m'fer!**

*rolls 1*

[BeardoMSU]

Roll for initiative m'fer!**

https://zippy.gfycat.com/IdolizedDetailedHen.gif

[Lord McBuckethead]

Ha. You believe a degree is a sign of intelligence beyond being intelligent enough to get it? I've seen enough dumbassery from "intelligent" people to know it doesn't matter. Nobody debates he was intelligent. But he also had a lot of outlandish BS going through that giant brain of his. He was an arrogant quack.

Yeah when you are trying to have an original thought on something as big as the history and physics of the universe, sometimes it comes out as total bullshit. You should try it sometime.

[bostondawg]

Ha. You believe a degree is a sign of intelligence beyond being intelligent enough to get it? I've seen enough dumbassery from "intelligent" people to know it doesn't matter. Nobody debates he was intelligent. But he also had a lot of outlandish BS going through that giant brain of his. He was an arrogant quack.

Rather than just disparaging you like everyone else is doing, I'll just ask you--what about his work did you think was "outlandish BS" or justified calling him an "arrogant quack?"

[Lord McBuckethead]

Damn, I hate Mississippians sometimes.
Someone you have never met that is a genius has nothing to do with you.
Get over your fear that someone knows something you don't, and acknowledge their expertise.
Just because you do not understand what someone is saying, does not make that person a quack.
Just because someone that has 4 PHDs does not threaten your way of life. Their PHDs do not trump your GED, nor vice versa.
This man contributed more to the understanding of theoretical physics and the universe than almost any person to ever live.
He may be proven wrong someday, but he dedicated his entire life searching for answers and should be respected as such.
All things nonreligious is not against your God, and stop being a p-ssy about it.
True faith wouldn't be worried about it. Our God put him here for a reason. Do you not trust God in his plan? Sounds like you don't.

[dparker]

All I'll say is that maybe the man should have put a few points into strength and Constitution instead of pumping it all into Intelligence and Wisdom. Perhaps he could have done as most nerds do and used Charisma as his dump stat.

+5 to Nerd Check skill

[turkish]

Hate MS? Why? A neutral observer of this thread may just as easily conclude that MS is more dominated by atheists who take some questionable msg board comments and ascribe the opinions therein to an entire religion.

[Dawgology]

All I'll say is that maybe the man should have put a few points into strength and Constitution instead of pumping it all into Intelligence and Wisdom. Perhaps he could have done as most nerds do and used Charisma as his dump stat.

Yep, rookie mistake.

[BeardoMSU]

Hate MS? Why? A neutral observer of this thread may just as easily conclude that MS is more dominated by atheists who take some questionable msg board comments and ascribe the opinions therein to an entire religion.

Atheists? Who's "ascribing" now...

[Lord McBuckethead]

For 17s sake, your chosen name is Cooterpoot.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Hate MS? Why? A neutral observer of this thread may just as easily conclude that MS is more dominated by atheists who take some questionable msg board comments and ascribe the opinions therein to an entire religion.

Atheist? Just because I appreciate Dr. Hawking does not make me or anyone else an atheist. Appreciating genius has nothing to do with religion. Shit.
Maybe just maybe everything I said about Mississippians has nothing to do with religion specifically and maybe just my impression of someone's insecure faith.

[turkish]

Fair points. I should have said ?atheist apologists.? I love you all, regardless.

[ScoobaDawg]

I bet you're a riot at parties. First of all, I wasn't replying to you. Seems you'd know that based on the quote. Second of all, you don't appear to be a very smart guy. In this post, or any of the others I've seen. Just a bullshite artist. So, not really a good place for you to be getting out of your lane. It won't end well for you. But if you insist....Here goes, sunshine...

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/opening-strange-portals-in-physics-92901090/

And another. Skip on down to 7,6,5,4,3,2, & especially 1, if you aren't patient enough to read the whole article.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/313922-cern-collider-hadron-higgs/

Here's another

https://futurism.com/cern-research-finds-the-universe-should-not-actually-exist/

and finally,

https://www.livescience.com/47737-stephen-hawking-higgs-boson-universe-doomsday.html

Just because something is too complicated for you to wrap your head around doesn't mean it isn't true.

Alright.. I have digested the articles you linked. 2 of them focus on a quote from Stephen. Specifically the RT item #7 "quotes" Hawking as saying "?The God particle found by CERN could destroy the universe,? " but actually wrote in the preface
"The Higgs potential has the worrisome feature that it might become metastable at energies above 100 gigaelectronvolts (GeV). This could mean that the universe could undergo catastrophic vacuum decay, with a bubble of the true vacuum expanding at the speed of light. This could happen at any time and we wouldn't see it coming."

This story tries to explain a little more context of this statement.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a11217/what-stephen-hawking-really-said-about-destroying-the-universe-17192502/


What Hawking is talking about here is not the Higgs boson but what's called the Higgs potential, which are "totally different concepts," says Katie Mack (http://www.astrokatie.com/), a theoretical astrophysicist at Melbourne University. The Higgs field permeates the entire universe, and the Higgs boson is an excitation of that field, just like an electron is an excitation of an electric field. In this analogy, the Higgs potential is like the voltage, determining the value of the field.
Once physicists began to close in on the mass of the Higgs boson, they were able to work out the Higgs potential. That value seemed to reveal that the universe exists in what's known as a meta-stable vacuum state, or false vacuum, a state that's stable for now but could slip into the "true" vacuum at any time. This is the catastrophic vacuum decay in Hawking's warning, though he is not the first to posit the idea.
Is he right?
"There are a couple of really good reasons to think that's not the end of the story," Mack says. There are two ways for a meta-stable state to fall off into the true vacuum?one classical way, and one quantum way. The first would occur via a huge energy boost, the 100 billion GeVs Hawking mentions. But, Mack says, the universe already experienced such high energies during the period of inflation just after the big bang. Particles in cosmic rays from space also regularly collide with these kinds of high energies, and yet the vacuum hasn't collapsed (otherwise, we wouldn't be here).
"Imagine that somebody hands you a piece of paper and says, 'This piece of paper has the potential to spontaneously combust,' and so you might be worried," Mack says. "But then they tell you 20 years ago it was in a furnace." If it didn't combust in the furnace, it's not likely to combust sitting in your hand.



I'm not touching the almost conspiracy level thoughts of 5 and 3.


#6 Opening the door to other dimensions
Well it's very interesting. Could there be another Dimension that we don't know about..that re-writes physics. VERY likely... and that point comes from your First link..
Would it really be that surprising considering our laws of physics are incomplete we know.. and so much of the universe is Dark matter or energy that we don't understand at this time...(as discussed in RT's #4 point)



[B]This extra dimension could be separated from ours by a million trillion trillionth of a centimeter. Is this a parallel yet inaccessible universe?
It interacts with our dimensions only via gravity. And gravity is extremely weak. An elementary particle at ordinary energies exerts negligible gravitational force. But at the LHC, if this idea is right, we would see evidence of this extra dimension. Particles could carry momentum into the extra dimension, and that could actually be observable.
But it?s not something you think of as a ?parallel universe??
Technically, yes, it could exist parallel to our universe. But it?s not just a carbon copy of our universe, which a lot of people think of when they hear that phrase.
If physicists do find solid evidence of extra dimensions, how would that affect our view of the universe and our place in it?
You can have very exotic underlying phenomena, but they still would be consistent with the ordinary rules we?re familiar with. At some level, it doesn?t change anything. However, it means that at some deep underlying level, there?s a much richer universe out there. It?s just a wonderful thing to know what our universe is made of.

#2 the theory of the sculpture Outside.. it's not the "Deity of destruction" It mean's so much more and is it rooted in history.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-maha-shivratri-why-cern-the-world-s-largest-particle-physics-lab-has-a-statue-of-lord-shiva-2186655

[ScoobaDawg]

He was a meanie butt who didn't believe in God so now he's burning********

I've seen several posts like this on facebook.. why do I get on social media???

Thank you, Dr. Hawking


There is only person in this life of eternal that shall do the judging. All others do not know the fate of this man.

[DawgRockur]

If he wasn?t afflicted and in a wheelchair, no one would be talking on this day, about him or the things he said.

[BeastMan]

Hate MS? Why? A neutral observer of this thread may just as easily conclude that MS is more dominated by atheists who take some questionable msg board comments and ascribe the opinions therein to an entire religion.

Just for the record, I've seen similar post on TD political board (LSU site), Facebook, and twitter. I do not think this is a Mississippian issue. I think it's a Christians issue. Dancing in the streets over someone's death who is not a believer is kinda not how it's supposed to go.

[ScoobaDawg]

If he wasn?t afflicted and in a wheelchair, no one would be talking on this day, about him or the things he said.


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QcWV7rmoXv8/maxresdefault.jpg

[BeastMan]

For 17s sake, your chosen name is Cooterpoot.

https://goo.gl/images/LtSkNH

[bostondawg]

If he wasn?t afflicted and in a wheelchair, no one would be talking on this day, about him or the things he said.

This is a completely wrong take. He was an Einstein-level scientist who changed the past, present and future of physics in ways that many people just don't care to understand. The world lost one of its intellectual giants when he passed.

[BeardoMSU]

If he wasn?t afflicted and in a wheelchair, no one would be talking on this day, about him or the things he said.

Oh for ****s sake....

[bostondawg]

Also a general note about the use of religious words in scientific literature--they're almost always used ironically and/or prescribed by the media.

For example, the phrase 'God particle' (referring to the Higgs boson) comes from the title of a 1993 book on the subject by Dr. Lederman. In it he jokes that the publisher wouldn't let them name it the "G**damn particle," which would be more apt of a name because of how frustrating it was to observe. That's the kindest explanation for the nickname. There is a less kind explanation that it got that name because the Higgs boson can explain the "creation of matter from nothing" (paraphrasing on a very complex subject--I'm happy to talk about it more offline. But it probably would derail this whole thread.)

tl;dr: use discoveries in science to justify your religious beliefs at your own risk.

ETA: didn't know the G-D word was censored.

[Dawgology]

If he wasn?t afflicted and in a wheelchair, no one would be talking on this day, about him or the things he said.

What makes you say that? I mean, can you qualify this statement? He was a best selling author and a ground-breaking theorist in cosmology and physics. The fact that he accomplished this all with a debilitating disease is part and parcel of his story.

It's kind of like saying "no one would talk about Abraham Lincoln if he hadn't been assassinated". Just because YOU wouldn't have been talking about him doesn't mean others wouldn't have. The fact that those outside of the field became interested in his works because of his unique disease is just part of his story and celebrity. It doesn't negate his work in the field.

[turkish]

Just for the record, I've seen similar post on TD political board (LSU site), Facebook, and twitter. I do not think this is a Mississippian issue. I think it's a Christians issue. Dancing in the streets over someone's death who is not a believer is kinda not how it's supposed to go.
Respectfully, to assume that posters there carry anymore clout than Mr Cooterpoot is dreadfully unfair.

It also seems impossible around here to know when it’s acceptable to be a wise ass and when it’s gonna offend someone. Such are the times, I guess. Some groups are held to a higher standard — maybe it’s high time to understand that, embrace it, take the high road, and leave the internet cred to others.

[BeastMan]

Respectfully, to assume that posters there carry anymore clout than Mr Cooterpoot is dreadfully unfair.

It also seems impossible around here to know when it’s acceptable to be a wise ass and when it’s gonna offend someone. Such are the times, I guess. Some groups are held to a higher standard — maybe it’s high time to understand that, embrace it, take the high road, and leave the internet cred to others.

See, it’s really not that complicated. “Being a wise ass” in a thread about a guy dying probably isn’t the place and I think that’s pretty common sense. I’m not assuming anything btw. All I’m saying is that a lot of what I’ve seen today, as a Christian, is sad to me.

[Cooterpoot]

All you smart SOB's living in your vacuum. It's ok if he was a genius asshole.

[Cooterpoot]

For 17s sake, your chosen name is Cooterpoot.

I could've gone with McCooterpoot I guess....

[Dawgology]

I could've gone with McCooperpoot I guess....

Also a great choice

[Dawgology]

Respectfully, to assume that posters there carry anymore clout than Mr Cooterpoot is dreadfully unfair.

It also seems impossible around here to know when it’s acceptable to be a wise ass and when it’s gonna offend someone. Such are the times, I guess. Some groups are held to a higher standard — maybe it’s high time to understand that, embrace it, take the high road, and leave the internet cred to others.

Not really. If you're a wise ass at the wrong time you will be called out and you own up to it or stick to it and die on the hill. Either was is respectable. If you are a wise-ass and you are wrong you will be flayed alive...just have to own up to it and come back later full of piss and vinegar. That's what everyone else does. That's pretty much it.

[Bully13]

I have no question the dude had a brilliant mind and contributed mightily to the world of science but I've got huge differences with those who think they know it all when in reality, in the whole scheme of things, know very little. They think the human mind can solve all of the world's questions about how the universe was created but if you really think about it, the human mind does not even have the capacity to do so no matter the IQ.

So before the universe was created, was there no such thing as time? what was going back then? and before that? and before that? nothing? is dead air / empty space nothing? would a clock not work back then? how far can a rocket ship go travelling 10X the speed of light? what happens after 10,000 years traveling at that speed? hit a brick wall? what would be beyond the brick wall?

We live in an infinite universe with infinite time and infinite distance that the human brain will never be able to come remotely close to understanding because we have finite minds. Which totally means there is something out there that is so out of this world remarkable the human mind can not even come close to comprehending it. It's called creative design and I'm not saying everybody should bow down and pray and go to Sunday School every week. It's just cold hard scientific fact. I'm not throwing a religious spill on this. Folks like Hawking and the majority of other scientist are indeed atheists and that's their business. But I believe it's because they are so enamored with all the glory we bestow upon them that they feel this sense of entitlement that allows them to kinda "play God" because they are so smart and therefore MUST have all the answers. I'm just saying they don't.

That's why I have so much more respect for someone like Einstein (who was a non practicing Jew) over Hawking because Einstein said things like this all the time: “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

[5049]

I have no question the dude had a brilliant mind and contributed mightily to the world of science but I've got huge differences with those who think they know it all when in reality, in the whole scheme of things, know very little. They think the human mind can solve all of the world's questions about how the universe was created but if you really think about it, the human mind does not even have the capacity to do so no matter the IQ.

So before the universe was created, was there no such thing as time? what was going back then? and before that? and before that? nothing? is dead air / empty space nothing? would a clock not work back then? how far can a rocket ship go travelling 10X the speed of light? what happens after 10,000 years traveling at that speed? hit a brick wall? what would be beyond the brick wall?

We live in an infinite universe with infinite time and infinite distance that the human brain will never be able to come remotely close to understanding because we have finite minds. Which totally means there is something out there that is so out of this world remarkable the human mind can not even come close to comprehending it. It's called creative design and I'm not saying everybody should bow down and pray and go to Sunday School every week. It's just cold hard scientific fact. I'm not throwing a religious spill on this. Folks like Hawking and the majority of other scientist are indeed atheists and that's their business. But I believe it's because they are so enamored with all the glory we bestow upon them that they feel this sense of entitlement that allows them to kinda "play God" because they are so smart and therefore MUST have all the answers. I'm just saying they don't.

That's why I have so much more respect for someone like Einstein (who was a non practicing Jew) over Hawking because Einstein said things like this all the time: ?Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.?
100% accurate, Bully13 I had no clue you were capable of posting such awesomeness! joking (or am I?)

Science itself has Christian roots. Hawking says God never intervenes in this world, I say, he intervenes just enough that we still must make a choice

Hawking made his choice, good luck to him, he'll need it

[bostondawg]

I have no question the dude had a brilliant mind and contributed mightily to the world of science but I've got huge differences with those who think they know it all when in reality, in the whole scheme of things, know very little. They think the human mind can solve all of the world's questions about how the universe was created but if you really think about it, the human mind does not even have the capacity to do so no matter the IQ.

So before the universe was created, was there no such thing as time? what was going back then? and before that? and before that? nothing? is dead air / empty space nothing? would a clock not work back then? how far can a rocket ship go travelling 10X the speed of light? what happens after 10,000 years traveling at that speed? hit a brick wall? what would be beyond the brick wall?

We live in an infinite universe with infinite time and infinite distance that the human brain will never be able to come remotely close to understanding because we have finite minds. Which totally means there is something out there that is so out of this world remarkable the human mind can not even come close to comprehending it. It's called creative design and I'm not saying everybody should bow down and pray and go to Sunday School every week. It's just cold hard scientific fact. I'm not throwing a religious spill on this. Folks like Hawking and the majority of other scientist are indeed atheists and that's their business. But I believe it's because they are so enamored with all the glory we bestow upon them that they feel this sense of entitlement that allows them to kinda "play God" because they are so smart and therefore MUST have all the answers. I'm just saying they don't.

That's why I have so much more respect for someone like Einstein (who was a non practicing Jew) over Hawking because Einstein said things like this all the time: ?Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.?

If it were truly scientists in this society that we bestow glory upon, rather than athletes or models or actors I think we'd be in a much better place.

Also, doing the thing children do when they keep asking "why?" does not disprove scientific theory. In fact, some of the questions you raised in that post have concrete answers, but I suspect you don't care what the answers really are.

Also, I think you have a pretty misunderstood view of Einstein's view of religion and philosophy. This isn't the place to hash that out, but calling him a "non-practicing Jew" is giving him way more credit than he deserves. He, like many scientists before him, held something close to Spinoza's god as a philosophy--and of course Spinoza was literally expelled from the Jewish community for that view. Einstein didn't believe in a personal god who gives a damn about humanity. Calling anyone who believed in some sort of spiritual connection to the universe (which could be manifested as a wonder at the stars or the worship of David Bowie) religious in the sense that Christians use the word is disingenuous at best, and probably underlies a complete misunderstanding of what the schism in the science vs. religion dilemma actually is. Einstein, Sagan, Feynman, and Hawking all stated some sort of spiritual wonder toward the universe. Why do you respect Einstein and not the others?

ETA: In fact, one could cherry pick many quotes from other scientists to make whatever point you're trying to make. For example, Hawking once said, "The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws." That's a pretty similar religious view to the one Einstein held.

[Liverpooldawg]

Just for the record, I've seen similar post on TD political board (LSU site), Facebook, and twitter. I do not think this is a Mississippian issue. I think it's a Christians issue. Dancing in the streets over someone's death who is not a believer is kinda not how it's supposed to go.

Nobody is dancing in the streets over this. Get a grip. That goes for the other side of this as well

[gravedigger]

I have no question the dude had a brilliant mind and contributed mightily to the world of science but I've got huge differences with those who think they know it all when in reality, in the whole scheme of things, know very little. They think the human mind can solve all of the world's questions about how the universe was created but if you really think about it, the human mind does not even have the capacity to do so no matter the IQ.

So before the universe was created, was there no such thing as time? what was going back then? and before that? and before that? nothing? is dead air / empty space nothing? would a clock not work back then? how far can a rocket ship go travelling 10X the speed of light? what happens after 10,000 years traveling at that speed? hit a brick wall? what would be beyond the brick wall?

We live in an infinite universe with infinite time and infinite distance that the human brain will never be able to come remotely close to understanding because we have finite minds. Which totally means there is something out there that is so out of this world remarkable the human mind can not even come close to comprehending it. It's called creative design and I'm not saying everybody should bow down and pray and go to Sunday School every week. It's just cold hard scientific fact. I'm not throwing a religious spill on this. Folks like Hawking and the majority of other scientist are indeed atheists and that's their business. But I believe it's because they are so enamored with all the glory we bestow upon them that they feel this sense of entitlement that allows them to kinda "play God" because they are so smart and therefore MUST have all the answers. I'm just saying they don't.

That's why I have so much more respect for someone like Einstein (who was a non practicing Jew) over Hawking because Einstein said things like this all the time: “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

Science and theology answer separate questions. There is no either/or to the debate and there never has been. Einstein and Hawking both knew this.

Science addresses ?how?. Theology addresses ?why?.

Laws like gravity did not exist prior to their having something to act upon. Matter, dark or not, had nothing to interact with to explode before matter came into existence.

Hawking did know that societies who rely heavily on theology are less apt to experiment scientifically and at its core, the rivalry originated. But never have they been mutually exclusive except to the simple minded. God, nor a Big Bang or a dark particle or a 40 day flood were ever statements against the other.

Einstein believed in an intelligent designer and so did Hawking. The particulars of how they understood God don?t necessarily fit denominational dogma, but believed they most certainly did.

[starkvegasdawg]

Just for the record, I've seen similar post on TD political board (LSU site), Facebook, and twitter. I do not think this is a Mississippian issue. I think it's a Christians issue. Dancing in the streets over someone's death who is not a believer is kinda not how it's supposed to go.

I can?t imagine any Christian happy he is dead. I?m certainly not. I hurt inside anytime someone dies I believe is not Christian because I don?t want anybody to spend eternity where I believe those that do not believe end up.

[turkish]

Not really. If you're a wise ass at the wrong time you will be called out and you own up to it or stick to it and die on the hill. Either was is respectable. If you are a wise-ass and you are wrong you will be flayed alive...just have to own up to it and come back later full of piss and vinegar. That's what everyone else does. That's pretty much it.
Sounds simple. But wrong is subjective.

[Bully13]

Science and theology answer separate questions. There is no either/or to the debate and there never has been. Einstein and Hawking both knew this.

Science addresses ?how?. Theology addresses ?why?.

Laws like gravity did not exist prior to their having something to act upon. Matter, dark or not, had nothing to interact with to explode before matter came into existence.

Hawking did know that societies who rely heavily on theology are less apt to experiment scientifically and at its core, the rivalry originated. But never have they been mutually exclusive except to the simple minded. God, nor a Big Bang or a dark particle or a 40 day flood were ever statements against the other.

Einstein believed in an intelligent designer and so did Hawking. The particulars of how they understood God don?t necessarily fit denominational dogma, but believed they most certainly did.

From what I've read, Hawking refers to the universe's creation as nothing more than an accident due to gravity. Goes on to say there was no divine intervention, just pure luck. I can't think of anything more polar opposite to Einstein's views.

Physics, the book states, can now explain where the universe came from and why the laws of nature are what they are. The universe arose “from nothing” courtesy of the force of gravity, and the laws of nature are an accident of the particular slice of universe we happen to inhabit. “It is possible to answer these questions purely within the realm of science, and without invoking any divine beings,” the authors wrote. (An adaptation of the book appeared in the October Scientific American.)

[dawgoneyall]

Yes there was. And it was fine.

Also, if we're going to start recognizing honorary doctorates, I must insist we also recognize:

Dr. Sean "Puffy" Combs
Dr. Dolly Parton
Dr. Jon Bon Jovi
Dr. LL Cool J
Dr. William Shatner
Dr. Shaquille O'Neal

et al.

*********

Shaq died? Damn.

[dawgoneyall]

Damn, I hate Mississippians sometimes.
Someone you have never met that is a genius has nothing to do with you.
Get over your fear that someone knows something you don't, and acknowledge their expertise.
Just because you do not understand what someone is saying, does not make that person a quack.
Just because someone that has 4 PHDs does not threaten your way of life. Their PHDs do not trump your GED, nor vice versa.
This man contributed more to the understanding of theoretical physics and the universe than almost any person to ever live.
He may be proven wrong someday, but he dedicated his entire life searching for answers and should be respected as such.
All things nonreligious is not against your God, and stop being a p-ssy about it.
True faith wouldn't be worried about it. Our God put him here for a reason. Do you not trust God in his plan? Sounds like you don't.

He was wrong abut a few things but people proving him wrong advanced science. He probably put some things out there hoping some one would try and prove him wrong.

[Bully13]

Science and theology answer separate questions. There is no either/or to the debate and there never has been. Einstein and Hawking both knew this.

Science addresses ?how?. Theology addresses ?why?.

Laws like gravity did not exist prior to their having something to act upon. Matter, dark or not, had nothing to interact with to explode before matter came into existence.

Hawking did know that societies who rely heavily on theology are less apt to experiment scientifically and at its core, the rivalry originated. But never have they been mutually exclusive except to the simple minded. God, nor a Big Bang or a dark particle or a 40 day flood were ever statements against the other.

Einstein believed in an intelligent designer and so did Hawking. The particulars of how they understood God don?t necessarily fit denominational dogma, but believed they most certainly did.

delete

[Dawg61]

Before today you could have given me a billion guesses and I wouldn't have picked a Stephen Hawking remembrance thread would be the #1 most triggering thread of the year. I suspect I wouldn't be the only one. This thread is an Elitedawgs HOF thread for this reason alone.

[Bully13]

If it were truly scientists in this society that we bestow glory upon, rather than athletes or models or actors I think we'd be in a much better place.

Also, doing the thing children do when they keep asking "why?" does not disprove scientific theory. In fact, some of the questions you raised in that post have concrete answers, but I suspect you don't care what the answers really are.

Also, I think you have a pretty misunderstood view of Einstein's view of religion and philosophy. This isn't the place to hash that out, but calling him a "non-practicing Jew" is giving him way more credit than he deserves. He, like many scientists before him, held something close to Spinoza's god as a philosophy--and of course Spinoza was literally expelled from the Jewish community for that view. Einstein didn't believe in a personal god who gives a damn about humanity. Calling anyone who believed in some sort of spiritual connection to the universe (which could be manifested as a wonder at the stars or the worship of David Bowie) religious in the sense that Christians use the word is disingenuous at best, and probably underlies a complete misunderstanding of what the schism in the science vs. religion dilemma actually is. Einstein, Sagan, Feynman, and Hawking all stated some sort of spiritual wonder toward the universe. Why do you respect Einstein and not the others?

ETA: In fact, one could cherry pick many quotes from other scientists to make whatever point you're trying to make. For example, Hawking once said, "The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws." That's a pretty similar religious view to the one Einstein held.

His actual quotes though don't back up he believed in intelligent design. he said it was just pure luck which is opposite of what Einstein said. And his "God" reference he made was later followed up by him saying you took my "God" reference out of context.

http://time.com/5199149/stephen-hawking-death-god-atheist/

https://owlcation.com/humanities/Stephen-Hawking-Says-There-Is-No-God-Heres-Why

The guy plainly states "There is no God". and that we are all here by an accident. sound like an "Intelligent Design believer to you? do you think there is a difference between "Creative Design' and "Intelligent Design"? How many times does he have to say we are here by accident for someone to come to the conclusion his opinion on our origins are 180 degrees opposite of those held by Einstein?

Oh, and thanks for letting me know all my questions are "childish" and we already have the answers to them. I'd be more than happy to know we've got them all figured out by all you smart scientist types. And you are wrong , I'd love to hear what the answers are to those "childish" questions of mine. I'm sure others on the board would like to hear them too. Some of us, including myself, may have missed the headline / memo.

[BeastMan]

Nobody is dancing in the streets over this. Get a grip. That goes for the other side of this as well

Finger pointing to the “other side”.... Fox and MSNBC has ruined this country. It’s incredible. On every platform I’ve read today, Christians are gloating about his death. What that has to do with any side is beyond me.

[Bully13]

Before today you could have given me a billion guesses and I wouldn't have picked a Stephen Hawking remembrance thread would be the #1 most triggering thread of the year. I suspect I wouldn't be the only one. This thread is an Elitedawgs HOF thread for this reason alone.

you and me both 61. kinda funny, no? I'm just glad some mod didn't get crotch itch over it and move it over another board.

[Bully13]

Finger pointing to the “other side”.... Fox and MSNBC has ruined this country. It’s incredible. On every platform I’ve read today, Christians are gloating about his death. What that has to do with any side is beyond me.

saying Christians are "gloating" over his death is way over the top and has no basis in honesty. and Fox and MSNBC have nothing to do with this thread.

[Coldsleeve Jr.]

Finger pointing to the “other side”.... Fox and MSNBC has ruined this country. It’s incredible. On every platform I’ve read today, Christians are gloating about his death. What that has to do with any side is beyond me.

I’ve read the same platforms today and have not seen a single person “gloating”. This is just virtue signaling and nothing more.

[turkish]

Saying thread is the most triggered seems a little over the top to me. There were a couple head scratching comments. And I’ve never known 61 to use asinine hyperbole.

[BeastMan]

saying Christians are "gloating" over his death is way over the top and has no basis in honesty. and Fox and MSNBC have nothing to do with this thread.

I’m gonna type this one more time. I’d suggest reading it slowly: On every platform I have read, Christians are gloating over his death. That is my opinion and you don’t have to believe it, I don’t care. That does not equal = all Christians. I am a Christian and am not in this camp. In this thread posters response has been, “Well, the other side...” and “did Billy Graham get a thread”. That adversarial rhetoric and justification for any inappropriate comment with some excuse about “the other side” is 100% absolutely on Fox and MSNBC. People accept justification and spin as fact as long as it fits their personal feelings and beliefs. That has filtered its way into everyday American life. It’s absolute insanity and this thread proves it.

This is I believe so you cannot spin it:
-Hawkings made incredible contributions to science. He was a genius
-If he died never accepting Christ into his life, that’s a shame. It’s an opportunity we missed as American Christians.

[Liverpooldawg]

Finger pointing to the “other side”.... Fox and MSNBC has ruined this country. It’s incredible. On every platform I’ve read today, Christians are gloating about his death. What that has to do with any side is beyond me.

All Christians?

[Bully13]

I?m gonna type this one more time. I?d suggest reading it slowly: On every platform I have read, Christians are gloating over his death. That is my opinion and you don?t have to believe it, I don?t care. That does not equal = all Christians. I am a Christian and am not in this camp. In this thread posters response has been, ?Well, the other side...? and ?did Billy Graham get a thread?. That adversarial rhetoric and justification for any inappropriate comment with some excuse about ?the other side? is 100% absolutely on Fox and MSNBC. People accept justification and spin as fact as long as it fits their personal feelings and beliefs. That has filtered its way into everyday American life. It?s absolute insanity and this thread proves it.

This is I believe so you cannot spin it:
-Hawkings made incredible contributions to science. He was a genius
-If he died never accepting Christ into his life, that?s a shame. It?s an opportunity we missed as American Christians.

Christians gloating over his death. that has so much wrong to it I don't even know where to begin. Just because someone posts an incorrect statement "Billy Graham didn't get the same sized memorial thread as Hawking" doesn't mean gloating over Hawking's death.

[Coldsleeve Jr.]

All Christians?

You can tell people’s religion by the font they use**

[Quaoarsking]

Pope Francis has clarified that atheists go to Heaven if they're good people, so Stephen Hawking's probably good. No need for any gloating by any "side"

[BeardoMSU]

Pope Francis has clarified that atheists go to Heaven if they're good people, so Stephen Hawking's probably good. No need for any gloating by any "side"

What does he know about Christianity? Catholics ain't even reeeeeeal Christians, anyhow!**

[BrunswickDawg]

?We are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet of a very average star. But we can understand the Universe. That makes us something very special.? - Stephen Hawking

I think this thread pretty much confirms his theory.

[BrunswickDawg]

What does he know about Christianity? Catholics ain't even reeeeeeal Christians, anyhow!**
You just made this Methodist converted to Catholic blow beer out his nose.

[BeardoMSU]

?We are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet of a very average star. But we can understand the Universe. That makes us something very special.? - Stephen Hawking

I think this thread pretty much confirms his theory.

Lol, yes!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfcC6FYyL4U

[BeardoMSU]

You just made this Methodist converted to Catholic blow beer out his nose.

That's what you get for drinkin' beer on a weeknight, heathen!*

[BeastMan]

Christians gloating over his death. that has so much wrong to it I don't even know where to begin. Just because someone posts an incorrect statement "Billy Graham didn't get the same sized memorial thread as Hawking" doesn't mean gloating over Hawking's death.

I'm kind of at a standstill with you. I'm not totally sure you know what gloat means. Again, go read TD political board, this thread from the beginning, and major news outlets announcements on both FB and twitter. You'd see a lot of Christians gloating (And holy mother mary that doesn't mean ALL christians in the world since ya'll cannot comprehend that)

Here is the definition of gloating:

contemplate or dwell on one's own success or another's misfortune with smugness or malignant pleasure.
"his enemies gloated over his death"
synonyms:delight, relish, take great pleasure, revel, rejoice, glory, exult, triumph, crow

[BeastMan]

You just made this Methodist converted to Catholic blow beer out his nose.

Haha right there with you Brunswick

[msstate7]

Pope Francis has clarified that atheists go to Heaven if they're good people, so Stephen Hawking's probably good. No need for any gloating by any "side"

I would like to know where he got that info... certainly not the Bible. Sounds like he watches oprah too much

[BeardoMSU]

I would like to know where he got that info... certainly not the Bible. Sounds like he watches oprah too much

Not everyone is a biblical literalist, 7.

[Bulldog1]

Pope Francis has clarified that atheists go to Heaven if they're good people, so Stephen Hawking's probably good. No need for any gloating by any "side"

Do you believe this? Just asking.

[msstate7]

Not everyone is a biblical literalist, 7.

You would think the pope would not directly contradict what Christ said... you know, the guy that Christianity is named after.


Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. - John 14:6

[Bully13]

Pope Francis has clarified that atheists go to Heaven if they're good people, so Stephen Hawking's probably good. No need for any gloating by any "side"

except God and Christ said otherwise. other than that, you are spot on.

[BeastMan]

The pope did not say that. It was a fake meme circulated on FB

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mass-exodus/

[BeardoMSU]

You would think the pope would not directly contradict what Christ said... you know, the guy that Christianity is named after.


Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. - John 14:6

Here is a pretty good discussion on this very topic, written by a New Testament professor and theologian.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-carey/the-pope-non-christians-and-the-bible_b_3329501.html

[BeardoMSU]

The pope did not say that. It was a fake meme circulated on FB

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mass-exodus/

The meme was fake, but he's talked about atheists, as well as non-Christians, at length as it relates to salvation.

[Bully13]

Pope Francis has clarified that atheists go to Heaven if they're good people, so Stephen Hawking's probably good. No need for any gloating by any "side"

thanks for clarifying that Pope Francis' opinion is the true Word of God.

[Quaoarsking]

The pope did not say that. It was a fake meme circulated on FB

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mass-exodus/

I'm definitely not referring to some dumb Facebook meme, a website I haven't even visited in almost 10 years.

This was shortly after he became pope. http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077


"Even them, everyone, we all have the duty to do good, Pope Francis said on Vatican Radio.

"Just do good" was his challenge, "and we'll find a meeting point."

Francis explained himself, "The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart, do good and do not do evil. All of us. 'But, Father, this man is not Catholic! He cannot do good.' Yes, he can... The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ, all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! 'Father, the atheists?' Even the atheists. Everyone! We must meet one another doing good. 'But I don't believe, Father, I am an atheist!' But do good: we will meet one another there."


Another article from another statement he made in 2015: http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2015/12/pope_francis_offers_hope_to_fa.html


"I start by saying -- and this is the fundamental thing -- that God's mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart," Francis wrote. "The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience. Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey their conscience."

[Cooterpoot]

Intelligence doesn?t preempt trolling attempts. You all get sucked in like a star into a black hole. Or for some of you, your heads get sucked into your brown star. This thread has been fun to watch.

[BeardoMSU]

Intelligence doesn?t preempt trolling attempts. You all get sucked in like a star into a black hole. Or for some of you, your heads get sucked into your brown star. This thread has been fun to watch.

Don't you have another candle to light in your closet shrine to Jerry Falwell?***

Is that how it's done? Trolling is admittedly new to me...

[BrunswickDawg]

thanks for clarifying that Pope Francis' opinion is the true Word of God.
Well, to us Catholics it is....
?Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."

[Lord McBuckethead]

Intelligence doesn?t preempt trolling attempts. You all get sucked in like a star into a black hole. Or for some of you, your heads get sucked into your brown star. This thread has been fun to watch.

Well when you cannot add to the conversation, might as well troll. Bet you own a Yeti.

[Cooterpoot]

Well when you cannot add to the conversation, might as well troll. Bet you own a Yeti.

You’d lose that bet. Don’t hate the player. You guys caught up in yourselves are easy targets. It’s all serious on the interwebs sports message boards when a dead physicist is mentioned. I hate it for you guys. Learn to enjoy life. Stop trying to prove a point with everything.

[ScoobaDawg]

You’d lose that bet. Don’t hate the player. You guys caught up in yourselves are easy targets. It’s all serious on the interwebs sports message boards when a dead physicist is mentioned. I hate it for you guys. Learn to enjoy life. Stop trying to prove a point with everything.

So... you think you are so cool that you admit to just trolling people?

[Dawg61]

So... you think you are so cool that you admit to just trolling people?

Cooterpoot has been trolling since he got pissed about something involving the women's basketball team. I think he didn't like how some of the posters were being negative in a game thread or something and he has been mercifully trolling the board ever since.

[TStationDawg]

It?s an opportunity we missed as American Christians.

Define the difference between an American Christian and an Asian Christian? or Australian Christian, or heck a British Christian? Do we each follow a Christ with different accents and dietary preferences?

[Bully13]

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[BeardoMSU]

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I'm sure heaven is wheelchair accessible, bra...the ramp is probably just to the right out of frame....I also expect to find whiskey, beer, tomatoes, doggie-style, rock'n'roll, crude humor, and dry-aged steaks...*

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[Bully13]

I'm sure heaven is wheelchair accessible, bra...the ramp is probably just to the right out of frame....I also expect to find whiskey, beer, tomatoes, doggie-style, rock'n'roll, crude humor, and dry-aged steaks...*

https://media.giphy.com/media/yidUzHnBk32Um9aMMw/giphy.gif

Maybe God's trolling him? a little "crude humor" if I may? LOL

[BeardoMSU]

Maybe God's trolling him? a little "crude humor" if I may? LOL

Indeed**

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