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5049

03-13-2018, 10:36 AM

Ifyouonlyknew

03-13-2018, 10:40 AM

You forgot Cory Thomas.

MoreCowbell

03-13-2018, 11:55 AM

Coach34

03-13-2018, 12:00 PM

You forgot Cory Thomas.

Not only that- Hoyette, who played pretty well in 2017- could end up in the 3rd group of DT's in the rotation

We are Alabama good on the DL

5049

03-13-2018, 12:41 PM

Yea this is why I am not too concerned with our DB position. If they can just be average we will be fine. Opposing QB are not going to have much time to throw. Imagine lining up to take a snap and from left to right you see 17n Rivers, Simmons Sweat, and Green. Lol I would shit my pants.

Exactly

Elite D Lines can take over games....and seasons

To go along with that, I cannot imagine our offense is not better, everyone returning plus Dear and Guidry. How can we not be improved? Our cautious fans are overthinking this stuff and trying to be 'objective' to preserve their ego so they can pretend to not be upset if we do not meet expectations

except we will meet them and exceed them

Even if JoMo is not good at building a program/discpline/all that stuff, that won't matter in year 1, that stuff catches up to you in year 3 and beyond. Just coach the team right now

I also love that Mullen, the guy who is best known for not getting it done, will have to watch us finally get it done with a team he built

MoreCowbell

03-13-2018, 02:15 PM

Exactly

Elite D Lines can take over games....and seasons

To go along with that, I cannot imagine our offense is not better, everyone returning plus Dear and Guidry. How can we not be improved? Our cautious fans are overthinking this stuff and trying to be 'objective' to preserve their ego so they can pretend to not be upset if we do not meet expectations

except we will meet them and exceed them

Even if JoMo is not good at building a program/discpline/all that stuff, that won't matter in year 1, that stuff catches up to you in year 3 and beyond. Just coach the team right now

I also love that Mullen, the guy who is best known for not getting it done, will have to watch us finally get it done with a team he built

Yea that is what I have been saying. I am from Alabama and all of my friends are Auburn and Bama fans. They are not use to me talking shit in the offseason but I have been relentless so far and am enjoying it. This will be the best collection of talent we have EVER had and we are going to beat the shit out of some teams this year. I cant wait.

BrunswickDawg

03-13-2018, 02:38 PM

Yea that is what I have been saying. I am from Alabama and all of my friends are Auburn and Bama fans. They are not use to me talking shit in the offseason but I have been relentless so far and am enjoying it. This will be the best collection of talent we have EVER had and we are going to beat the shit out of some teams this year. I cant wait.

Yeah, I'm still resisting the urge to smack talk, but it is damn hard. This is the best I've felt going into a season since 1999. '98 was something of a dream season, but it was a let down at the end, and on paper it looked like we back-doored into the SEC West title. Then you look at the roster for what we had coming back in '99 and you just knew we were going to be Bad Ass. I've got that same vibe this year. And this team has such a chip on their shoulder wanting to prove Dan is a moron. It's a perfect storm.

Dawg61

03-13-2018, 02:43 PM

Muffins did an impressive job stocking the DL. Probably better at it than he was developing QBs and that's saying something.

Csdog

03-13-2018, 02:59 PM

5049

03-13-2018, 03:06 PM

Yeah, I'm still resisting the urge to smack talk, but it is damn hard. This is the best I've felt going into a season since 1999. '98 was something of a dream season, but it was a let down at the end, and on paper it looked like we back-doored into the SEC West title. Then you look at the roster for what we had coming back in '99 and you just knew we were going to be Bad Ass. I've got that same vibe this year. And this team has such a chip on their shoulder wanting to prove Dan is a moron. It's a perfect storm.
1998-1999 is very similar, actually. Not exact, but similar. What were we in the regular season, 8-3? Which would be 9-3 with the schedules today, and what we should have been last year without the egg stupidity. 2013-2014 was similar, but not quite as talented overall as we are now, and we were in 1999. We made a 2 game jump after 1998, a 4 game jump after 2013. Take the average, and we make a 3 game jump to 11-1....well, let's hope that 1 isn't in Tuscaloosa.

Speaking of which - 1999, 2014 and 2018 all have the same thing in common - the road runs through that God forsaken town where MSU dreams go to die

2000 was probably our most talented year in recent history, but that year had expectations, which leads the team to play a totally different way, and we did not handle it well. Personally, I think this year is sort of a mix together of 1999 and 2000, plus an elite quarterback. Sky's the limit

BuckyIsAB****

03-13-2018, 03:48 PM

Im gonna keep beating the Bob Shoop dead horse.

a LOT riding on him

BrunswickDawg

03-13-2018, 03:57 PM

1998-1999 is very similar, actually. Not exact, but similar. What were we in the regular season, 8-3? Which would be 9-3 with the schedules today, and what we should have been last year without the egg stupidity. 2013-2014 was similar, but not quite as talented overall as we are now, and we were in 1999. We made a 2 game jump after 1998, a 4 game jump after 2013. Take the average, and we make a 3 game jump to 11-1....well, let's hope that 1 isn't in Tuscaloosa.

Speaking of which - 1999, 2014 and 2018 all have the same thing in common - the road runs through that God forsaken town where MSU dreams go to die

2000 was probably our most talented year in recent history, but that year had expectations, which leads the team to play a totally different way, and we did not handle it well. Personally, I think this year is sort of a mix together of 1999 and 2000, plus an elite quarterback. Sky's the limit

'98 we were 8-3 regular season - hammered early by OSU in Stillwater, hammered by LSU in Red Stick, then a WTF loss at Kentucky with us coming off a bye after LSU. Actually, all 3 were WTF losses - OSU ended 5-6, LSU 4-7, and KY 7-5. At least last year our 3 losses were to very good teams (I refuse to count the Egg in this discussion). If we come into T-Town 9-0 next year we will have run a gaunlet - @KY, UF, AU, @LSU, A&M, then rested up with LA Tech. Bama will be coming off a Saturday Night in Baton Rouge. All the pieces are there, and it could be a #1 v #2 match up - again. I think we take 'em.

Bully13

03-13-2018, 05:20 PM

Not worried about the D at all. Im just concerned about fitz being 100% both mentally & physically. If he is, then this is going to be the most balanced and dominant team ive witnessed in my 55 yr lifetime.

Todd4State

03-13-2018, 06:11 PM

Muffins did an impressive job stocking the DL. Probably better at it than he was developing QBs and that's saying something.

And interestingly enough we never had a DL coach that was part of the Country Club. Thank you David Turner and Brian Baker.

Bully13

03-13-2018, 06:14 PM

getting Jeffrey Simmons and landing Sweat was uuuuuuJA.

Todd4State

03-13-2018, 06:23 PM

'98 we were 8-3 regular season - hammered early by OSU in Stillwater, hammered by LSU in Red Stick, then a WTF loss at Kentucky with us coming off a bye after LSU. Actually, all 3 were WTF losses - OSU ended 5-6, LSU 4-7, and KY 7-5. At least last year our 3 losses were to very good teams (I refuse to count the Egg in this discussion). If we come into T-Town 9-0 next year we will have run a gaunlet - @KY, UF, AU, @LSU, A&M, then rested up with LA Tech. Bama will be coming off a Saturday Night in Baton Rouge. All the pieces are there, and it could be a #1 v #2 match up - again. I think we take 'em.

Kentucky was pretty good that year and that was a road game for us. I'm pretty sure they went to a bowl. LSU we didn't look ready at all. OSU was the game where Wyatt played really poorly and was essentially benched for Madkin permanently other than relief roles.

1998 was a loaded team- I wasn't too surprised that we won the West that year other I was surprised at HOW we did it. As much as I like Jackie, his biggest problem is he didn't have us prepared for every game- which was very frustrating.

I didn't see 1999 coming honestly. I thought we would take a step back because we lost JJ, Dennis McKinley, Prentiss, Cooper, most of our o-line including Randy Thomas and Eric Allen, and the JUCO guys on defense were basically unknowns going into the year that exceeded every reasonable expectation. 1998 the offense was better than 1999 if we're being honest- but the 1999 defense was much better than the 1998 defense which was pretty good in it's own right.

We'll see what 2018 brings but I will say I can't remember a MSU team bringing this much back while obviously addressing major question marks- Getsy is a HUGE upgrade at WR coach over Gonzalez in not just recruiting. He's pretty much a WR guru and even if Whop and Heath aren't ready I have no doubts based on what I have read about him that he will get Todd and Couch up to speed and very much improved over what we have seen from them so far. I think the biggest problem holding us back was Dan- Joe is going to be an upgrade and be much more aggressive as a play caller. It could make the difference in a couple of games.

I have definitely seen some parallels potentially between 1998-1999 and 2018-2019. We'll see if they hold true or not- the 1998-1999 teams were the best I have ever seen at MSU in back to back years.

Todd4State

03-13-2018, 06:25 PM

Im gonna keep beating the Bob Shoop dead horse.

a LOT riding on him

I think not having Dan around to freak out on whoever our DC is will probably help overall performance on that side of the ball as well. It was like we gave up one big play and then it seemed like all we did was play soft zone the rest of the game.

civildawg

03-13-2018, 06:44 PM

Everytime I think of how good how Dline can be, I think about how ridiculous it would be if we would have signed Raekwon Davis

Homedawg

03-13-2018, 08:32 PM

MSUDAWGFAN

03-14-2018, 09:12 AM

We are going to eat people, I cannot predict our offense, a lot of variables there, but one thing that is near certain - we have men on the DL, and a lot of them:

Simmons - Jr.
Sweat - Sr.
Rivers - RJr.
Hoyett - RSr.

Autry - RJr.
Brown - RJr.
Adams - RJr.
Spencer - Jr.

I have not even gotten to the underclassmen

You gotta be kidding me, how did we get this type of talent AND depth?

We aren't Bama good on the DLine in 2018. We will actually be better than them.

Care to speculate on the LB rotation? I know we will have Leo, Green, Gay, Thompson, et al. Our front 7 is going to be a ting of legend.

Get ready to book a January trip fellas.

5049

03-14-2018, 10:01 AM

We aren't Bama good on the DLine in 2018. We will actually be better than them.

Care to speculate on the LB rotation? I know we will have Leo, Green, Gay, Thompson, et al. Our front 7 is going to be a ting of legend.

Get ready to book a January trip fellas.

It's hard to speculate since we have so many. I never thought we'd see Lewis and Green as fourth and fifth year players honestly.

MSUDAWGFAN

03-14-2018, 10:24 AM

It's hard to speculate since we have so many. I never thought we'd see Lewis and Green as fourth and fifth year players honestly.

Good point. With Sweat coming back also, it kind of begs the question - do you think they looked around and thought we have the talent to win big this next year if we all come back? Sweat certainly could have gone pro. Leo didn't have the year we hoped for, but I think we kind of know why. Green could have gone pro too, but who knows where he would have been drafted, if at all. We have had that happen in recent years. Bear Wilson and Beniquez Brown are two examples that come to mind. We brought everybody we could when a few players at least could have left.

What I've heard about our upcoming Dline is that Rivers will be our best pass rusher. When you have a guy like Montez Sweat on the line, and another guy named Jeffrey Simmons taking up double teams, it certainly makes me very optimistic.

TUSK

03-14-2018, 11:00 AM

We aren't Bama good on the DLine in 2018. We will actually be better than them.

Care to speculate on the LB rotation? I know we will have Leo, Green, Gay, Thompson, et al. Our front 7 is going to be a ting of legend.

Get ready to book a January trip fellas.

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/105500/Elephant-Fish--105531.jpg

Dawg61

03-14-2018, 11:24 AM

Everytime I think of how good how Dline can be, I think about how ridiculous it would be if we would have signed Raekwon Davis

This is very true but I want some CBs now. Our defensive boat looks like a battle ship up front and a canoe blown apart in the back half.

TUSK

03-14-2018, 11:29 AM

This is very true but I want some CBs now. Our defensive boat looks like a battle ship up front and a canoe blown apart in the back half.

Ditto over here too, Buddy....

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Dawg61 again.

5049

03-14-2018, 11:38 AM

Good point. With Sweat coming back also, it kind of begs the question - do you think they looked around and thought we have the talent to win big this next year if we all come back? Sweat certainly could have gone pro. Leo didn't have the year we hoped for, but I think we kind of know why. Green could have gone pro too, but who knows where he would have been drafted, if at all. We have had that happen in recent years. Bear Wilson and Beniquez Brown are two examples that come to mind. We brought everybody we could when a few players at least could have left.
Sure, I think that plays into their minds. Bear and Brown left after 2015, and we lost a good bit besides them, namely Dak and Jones. 2016 showed that, plus Mullen himself was trying to get out after 2015. I can't really blame them. Morale was low after the end of 2015

the_real_MSU_is_us

03-14-2018, 11:53 AM

Get ready for everyone to underrate this year's DL, then use the guys we there lose to predict the entire D will be bad in 2019. We'll return Kobe, Spencer, Adams, Rivers(?) and Odom at DE, with Autry begin a solid DT and Lovett ready to go there too. The '19 DL Will be ok, but I'm calling it now- the media will use the loss of Simmons, Sweat, and Thomas to say the DL will be terrible

TrapGame

03-14-2018, 12:17 PM

I think not having Dan around to freak out on whoever our DC is will probably help overall performance on that side of the ball as well. It was like we gave up one big play and then it seemed like all we did was play soft zone the rest of the game.

Grantham was a good DC but he screwed the pooch with UGA and AU and also with om. He let The Rock's younger brother treat us like a bitch for two quarters before we actually did something. Stidham and Fromm looked like Heisman winners in those games. Beyond pathetic. Grantham's defense has it's holes and can be exploited like a sixteen year old runaway.

Ari Gold

03-14-2018, 12:35 PM

Grantham was a good DC but he screwed the pooch with UGA and AU and also with om. He let The Rock's younger brother treat us like a bitch for two quarters before we actually did something. Stidham and Fromm looked like Heisman winners in those games. Beyond pathetic. Grantham's defense has it's holes and can be exploited like a sixteen year old runaway.

As much if not more blame goes to the offense in those loses as the defesne

TrapGame

03-14-2018, 12:45 PM

As much if not more blame goes to the offense in those loses as the defesne

I'm gonna have to disagree with you Ari. Offensively, yes, we were pitiful but that flea flicker on the first play sent our defense into full retard. And Stidham could've made a ham sandwich in all the time he had in that pocket. And I think it's more on Mullen than Grantham. He didn't have us ready for UGA or AU.

Ari Gold

03-14-2018, 01:37 PM

I'm gonna have to disagree with you Ari. Offensively, yes, we were pitiful but that flea flicker on the first play sent our defense into full retard. And Stidham could've made a ham sandwich in all the time he had in that pocket. And I think it's more on Mullen than Grantham. He didn't have us ready for UGA or AU.

We gave up 14 first half points agianst UGA

And after the scoop and score against Aub that the ****ing official blows dead which should have made the score 7-7
We go backwards on offense and kick fg.

Not saying the defense played well both those games. But scoring ZERO second half points when your in both games at halftime doesn’t help your Defesne .

BuckyIsAB****

03-14-2018, 02:16 PM

This is very true but I want some CBs now. Our defensive boat looks like a battle ship up front and a canoe blown apart in the back half.

We'll be fine. Peters and Dantzler are going to be good

BuckyIsAB****

03-14-2018, 02:16 PM

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/105500/Elephant-Fish--105531.jpg

Hell boy I catch them all the time in the pond down nare next to the house

5049

03-14-2018, 02:36 PM

I'm gonna have to disagree with you Ari. Offensively, yes, we were pitiful but that flea flicker on the first play sent our defense into full retard. And Stidham could've made a ham sandwich in all the time he had in that pocket. And I think it's more on Mullen than Grantham. He didn't have us ready for UGA or AU.
It was 14-3 at halftime and that is because ******* went retard right before the half. Should have been 14-7

Probably doesn't matter but I'm just pointing out that ******* offense was overrated

Todd4State

03-14-2018, 05:12 PM

It was 14-3 at halftime and that is because ******* went retard right before the half. Should have been 14-7

Probably doesn't matter but I'm just pointing out that ******* offense was overrated

I agree about Dan's offense being overrated. He feasted on teams that weren't as talented and sucked in games with teams with a pulse. The hilarious part is you can tell that he thinks he's a football genius. That's why the Dan Walsh nickname was hilarious and appropriate.