NIT Selection Thread

[Quaoarsking]

The NIT selection show is at 7:30 on ESPNU.

There are several SEC teams potentially in the mix. (RPI)

(42) Alabama - probably in NCAA Tournament
(44) Missouri - probably in NCAA Tournament
(73) Mississippi State
(79) Georgia - has announced they'll decline an NIT bid (https://www.dawgnation.com/mens-basketball/georgia-players-vote-not-not-accept-nit-bid)
(90) South Carolina
(94) LSU

Vanderbilt and Ole Miss finished 12-20, and won't be eligible.



NIT Bracketology (http://www.nycbuckets.com/current-nit-bracketology/) has us as a 3 seed hosting Western Kentucky (watch for a fanbase meltdown), LSU as a 4 hosting Washington, and South Carolina as a 5 in our bracket traveling to Boise State. It also has Georgia as a 4 seed, which needs to be changed.

If they have us seeded correctly, no SEC team would host beyond the first round, unless there are upsets in other games.

[Quaoarsking]

1. Arizona St.
8. SE Louisiana
4. Boise St.
5. South Carolina
3. Mississippi St.
6. Western Kentucky
2. Nebraska
7. Louisiana-Lafayette

I actually like our chances in this hypothetical regional. Nebraska still thinks it's getting into the NCAA and might blow the game against ULL, giving us a 2nd round home game. And if they don't, we're a much better team that the one who lost by 4 to Nebraska back in November.

[msstate7]

Never know how to predict NIT. Do not know who even cares

[Quaoarsking]

This bracketology doesn't have matchups, just seeds:
https://www.dratings.com/predictor/bracketology/

It has us a 3-seed, with the 6s we could potentially host being Vermont, UC Davis, Rider, and ULL.

It has LSU as 3, Georgia as a 4, and South Carolina out.

[Quaoarsking]

Never know how to predict NIT. Do not know who even cares

Yeah, Georgia's getting some flack online about declining, but I applaud. If they don't want to play and will just half-ass it and lose the first game anyway, they should give their spot to a team that wants to be there.

[Quaoarsking]

Didn't realize that BracketMatrix does an NIT bracket too: http://bracketmatrix.com/nit

They have us as a 3 hosting Boston College, matched up with Oregon/Northern Kentucky in the second round.

They have LSU as a 4 hosting Old Dominion, Georgia as a 4 (wrong), and South Carolina as a 6 at Utah. It think this bracket is a little out of date, because Western Kentucky isn't on there at all.

[Dawg61]

Georgia players voted not to play in NIT. Sounds like a **** you to Fox from the players. Ouch

https://www.dawgnation.com/mens-basketball/georgia-players-vote-not-not-accept-nit-bid

[msstate7]

Is Nick done for the year?

[thf24]

Is Nick done for the year?

Per twitter he has a bone bruise (not a fracture, thankfully), which I believe is a minimum of several weeks recovery time. So yes, he's most likely done.

[Quaoarsking]

Final NIT bracketology, adjusted for who actually made the NCAA Tournament and with Georgia out:

http://www.nycbuckets.com/current-nit-bracketology/

They now have us as a 3, hosting Louisiana-Lafayette in the first round, matched up with Louisville and Rider.

We'll find our for sure in 7 minutes.

[Quaoarsking]

It's official. We're a 4 seed hosting Nebraska. We'll go to Baylor if we win.

(Unless Baylor blows their first round game against Wagner.)

[Bulldog1]

We get Nebraska. Are you kidding me?

[RocketDawg]

We're a 4 seed.

[msstate7]

It's official. We're a 4 seed hosting Nebraska. We'll go to Baylor if we win.

(Unless Baylor blows their first round game against Wagner.)

Baylor zone... ouch. Oh and the 3-point line is even deeper to try and shoot over their zone

[Bulldog1]

(Unless Baylor blows their first round game against Wagner.)

Let’s hope this happens.

[was21]

We lost to Nebraska exhibition game 72-76

[msstate7]

Day and time?

[bluelightstar]

how is LSU a 3 seed if we're a 4 seed?

[chef dixon]

Such a stupid shoot from the hip approach to NCAA/NIT selection and seeding. Its baffling seeing some of these.

[Quaoarsking]

South Carolina left out. Surprising, but not shocking.

[Coach34]

agreed. The selection committee did an awful job

[tcdog70]

Go figure, what dumbasses seeded this tournament. The 17ing corndog seeded ahead of US. They take a Neb. Bubble team and seed them 5th and send them to Starkville. WTF?

[Bulldog1]

Am I the only one that thinks we got a bad draw?

[Bulldog1]

Go figure, what dumbasses seeded this tournament. The 17ing corndog seeded ahead of US. They take a Neb. Bubble team and seed them 5th and send them to Starkville. WTF?

We just got absolutely crapped on

[Bulldog1]

Go figure, what dumbasses seeded this tournament. The 17ing corndog seeded ahead of US. They take a Neb. Bubble team and seed them 5th and send them to Starkville. WTF?

Delete. Double post

[preachermatt83]

What a joke

[preachermatt83]

Nebraska got jobbed even worse than we did tho.

[basedog]

I'm just glad we are playing, nothing is easy regardless who is playing now. Having a home game is a plus.

[MetEdDawg]

This should show everyone how we were actually viewed. We got a 4 seed. Means we were at best 13 spots out of the NCAA Tournament.

We are getting punished and not respected because of our non conference SOS. You can put money on that. No way we are a 4 seed but I guarantee our non conference SOS is starring those people in the face and it’s hard for them to look at a number in the 300s. I get why we did it this year. Let’s just never do it again.

[maroonmania]

We just got absolutely crapped on

What else is new? Just hope they don't do our women's team wrong and seed us where we might see UConn before the championship game. The way things go for us, I wouldn't be shocked to see it.

[Cooterpoot]

It’s the NIT. Other than extra game time, it’s worthless.

[CovertDawg]

Yep....but Ado did not play in the Nebraska exhibition.

[Bulldog1]

Day and time?

Wednesday at 8 CT

[RougeDawg]

This should show everyone how we were actually viewed. We got a 4 seed. Means we were at best 13 spots out of the NCAA Tournament.

We are getting punished and not respected because of our non conference SOS. You can put money on that. No way we are a 4 seed but I guarantee our non conference SOS is starring those people in the face and it?s hard for them to look at a number in the 300s. I get why we did it this year. Let?s just never do it again.

So, we only lost to a ranked Cincinnati in non conference. Why should you be penalized for beating everyone you were supposed to beat, no matter the rank.

Would we have been better off to schedule in the low 100’s and have a losing record? That just doesn’t make any logical sense.

[kojak]

So, we only lost to a ranked Cincinnati in non conference. Why should you be penalized for beating everyone you were supposed to beat, no matter the rank.

Would we have been better off to schedule in the low 100?s and have a losing record? That just doesn?t make any logical sense.

But I hope it makes enough sense to the people that schedule for us as to what needs to be done. The edict is clear.

[MetEdDawg]

So, we only lost to a ranked Cincinnati in non conference. Why should you be penalized for beating everyone you were supposed to beat, no matter the rank.

Would we have been better off to schedule in the low 100’s and have a losing record? That just doesn’t make any logical sense.

No we would have been better scheduling in the low 100s and having 2-3 losses. No one said anything about a losing record.

Here’s an example. Was looking at college baseball RPI yesterday. A team, I believe Cornell, had the strongest SOS as of yesterday. They played a series @TAMU and a series @Duke. They lost all 6 games. Their RPI is currently 97.

So they’ve lost every game they’ve played, but their RPI is better than more than 200 teams, including some with double digit wins. Why is that?? Strength of schedule. It matters and it has always mattered. When you look at metrics, strength of schedule is a major component, and in a sport where the non conference and conference play have distinct delineations, it’s easy to pick non conference apart. Point is had our non conference schedule been 100 RPI points stronger, we could have lost a couple more games and still had a better RPI.

[Ari Gold]

It’s the NIT. Other than extra game time, it’s worthless.

So I guess the Belk Bowl and Liberty Bowl are worthless too..

[Johnson85]

This should show everyone how we were actually viewed. We got a 4 seed. Means we were at best 13 spots out of the NCAA Tournament.

We are getting punished and not respected because of our non conference SOS. You can put money on that. No way we are a 4 seed but I guarantee our non conference SOS is starring those people in the face and it’s hard for them to look at a number in the 300s. I get why we did it this year. Let’s just never do it again.
They have completely jumped the shark with thevnonconference sos thing. Overall strength of schedule should be much more important. The only time nonfonference strength of schedule should matter is when looking at bubble teams. A t am with a really good nonconferernfe sos but a weak conference should get more leeway than a team with a weak nonconference sos and a strong conference.

[Ari Gold]

The committee botched the NCAA as well.

Oklahoma safely in was laughable
Arizona St and UCLA getting in over USCw is awful
And Syracuse getting in period is absurd

Nebraska as a 5 in NIT is a joke
LSU a 3 with us being a 4 is comical . 1-1 head up . Neutral site win trumps home win. And ranked higher in conference
USCe should have gotten in.

Usually every year there are 1-3 teams that are debated about being in and left out. This year it’s half dozen of so.
So yeah the new “quad system” was a huge success.

[Bulldog1]

The committee botched the NCAA as well.

Oklahoma safely in was laughable
Arizona St and UCLA getting in over USCw is awful
And Syracuse getting in period is absurd

Nebraska as a 5 in NIT is a joke
LSU a 3 with us being a 4 is comical . 1-1 head up . Neutral site win trumps home win. And ranked higher in conference
USCe should have gotten in.

Usually every year there are 1-3 teams that are debated about being in and left out. This year it’s half dozen of so.
So yeah the new “quad system” was a huge success.

All true. Probably the worst bracket they’ve EVER filled out

[Dawg61]

USC getting left out after finishing 2nd in Pac12 reg season and runner up in Pac12 tourney while they put in Arizona St. in when they finished 9th in Pac12 and lost first game in Pac12 tourney is the biggest screw job in the history of the tourney. USC has an RPI of 34. Committee seems to have punished them for being one of the schools named in the FBI thing but that's totally unfair imo as they let other schools in that are also named and with worse resumes than USC.

[msstate7]

USC getting left out after finishing 2nd in Pac12 reg season and runner up in Pac12 tourney while they put in Arizona St. in when they finished 9th in Pac12 and lost first game in Pac12 tourney is the biggest screw job in the history of the tourney. USC has an RPI of 34. Committee seems to have punished them for being one of the schools named in the FBI thing but that's totally unfair imo as they let other schools in that are also named and with worse resumes than USC.

Well I guess this proves pipedream correct. Conference standing did not mean jack

[Quaoarsking]

USC getting left out after finishing 2nd in Pac12 reg season and runner up in Pac12 tourney while they put in Arizona St. in when they finished 9th in Pac12 and lost first game in Pac12 tourney is the biggest screw job in the history of the tourney. USC has an RPI of 34. Committee seems to have punished them for being one of the schools named in the FBI thing but that's totally unfair imo as they let other schools in that are also named and with worse resumes than USC.

So much for the idea that major conference teams with top 40 RPIs can't be left out.


They really should switch to an objective, pre-established and public computer formula to pick the teams. The Committee can't even be consistent from year to year on what's important.

[Bulldog1]

Well I guess this proves pipedream correct. Conference standing did not mean jack

Yep. I stand corrected. You were right, pipedream.

[Ari Gold]

Well I guess this proves pipedream correct. Conference standing did not mean jack

USCw RPI 35 BPI 42 ... so apparently that doesn’t matter either.

There’s is no formula they go by. They may say they do , but this year they failed bad.

[smootness]

Well I guess this proves pipedream correct. Conference standing did not mean jack

The committee has consistently said several things:
1) Conference standing is not taken into account, it's your individual games
2) OOC play matters just as much as in-conference
3) RPI is a guide but is not an absolute
4) Scheduling matters
5) Good wins, especially on the road, and bad losses are probably the most important aspect

In looking at USC vs. Arizona State, here it is:
1) USC finished above ASU by 4 games in P12 play
2) But USC was 9-2 OOC while ASU was 12-0 against a tougher OOC schedule
3) USC was well ahead of ASU in RPI
4) ASU gave themselves opportunities for very good OOC wins
5) And they capitalized. Here is what it really comes down to:
USC: best wins - 33, 35, @59; worst losses - 226, @112, @86
ASU: best wins - 3, @5, 34, 36 (beat USC H2H); worst losses - 137, 86, @86

So ASU beat Xavier and Kansas, and USC H2H, and they didn't lose to #226. That's basically what that decision came down to.

[thf24]

They really should switch to an objective, pre-established and public computer formula to pick the teams. The Committee can't even be consistent from year to year on what's important.

You mean like the BCS?

I know, I know, the BCS wasn't ultimately objective. But it was a hell of a lot closer to objective than to whatever the NCAA basketball committee does.

[msstate7]

The committee has consistently said several things:
1) Conference standing is not taken into account, it's your individual games
2) OOC play matters just as much as in-conference
3) RPI is a guide but is not an absolute
4) Scheduling matters
5) Good wins, especially on the road, and bad losses are probably the most important aspect

In looking at USC vs. Arizona State, here it is:
1) USC finished above ASU by 4 games in P12 play
2) But USC was 9-2 OOC while ASU was 12-0 against a tougher OOC schedule
3) USC was well ahead of ASU in RPI
4) ASU gave themselves opportunities for very good OOC wins
5) And they capitalized. Here is what it really comes down to:
USC: best wins - 33, 35, @59; worst losses - 226, @112, @86
ASU: best wins - 3, @5, 34, 36 (beat USC H2H); worst losses - 137, 86, @86

So ASU beat Xavier and Kansas, and USC H2H, and they didn't lose to #226. That's basically what that decision came down to.

Not sure they compared the 2 head-to-head. If they did, not sure why it was either/or

[MetEdDawg]

The committee has consistently said several things:
1) Conference standing is not taken into account, it's your individual games
2) OOC play matters just as much as in-conference
3) RPI is a guide but is not an absolute
4) Scheduling matters
5) Good wins, especially on the road, and bad losses are probably the most important aspect

In looking at USC vs. Arizona State, here it is:
1) USC finished above ASU by 4 games in P12 play
2) But USC was 9-2 OOC while ASU was 12-0 against a tougher OOC schedule
3) USC was well ahead of ASU in RPI
4) ASU gave themselves opportunities for very good OOC wins
5) And they capitalized. Here is what it really comes down to:
USC: best wins - 33, 35, @59; worst losses - 226, @112, @86
ASU: best wins - 3, @5, 34, 36 (beat USC H2H); worst losses - 137, 86, @86

So ASU beat Xavier and Kansas, and USC H2H, and they didn't lose to #226. That's basically what that decision came down to.

This should highlight why we want teams we beat to do well. You have to have great wins. You don’t get in the tournament by beating a bunch of decent teams. Bad losses are typically forgiven if you’ve got solid wins and show capability of beating tournament teams. We have a few that qualified as good wins, but no really great wins. @TAMU is the best we got. Needed better. UT, Auburn, Cincinnati, and wins against the blue bloods usually do the trick for the eye test. We didn’t have any of those.

I actually think this is pretty easy to be honest with you. Need a reasonably tough OOC schedule and win the majority of them. Less than 150 in RPI for total non conference SOS but preferably Top 100. Need to win some on the road or on neutral sites, even if it’s against weaker opponents. Need to beat some Top 30 RPI teams. Need to avoid losses outside the Top 150 RPI.

[smootness]

Not sure they compared the 2 head-to-head. If they did, not sure why it was either/or

I'm not saying they did, but they obviously do compare teams. And ASU was obviously one of the last in, and I'm guessing USC was one of the first out. So I'm sure the two were discussed in comparison. And it's all one big comparison at the end of the day.

[smootness]

This should highlight why we want teams we beat to do well. You have to have great wins. You don’t get in the tournament by beating a bunch of decent teams. Bad losses are typically forgiven if you’ve got solid wins and show capability of beating tournament teams. We have a few that qualified as good wins, but no really great wins. @TAMU is the best we got. Needed better. UT, Auburn, Cincinnati, and wins against the blue bloods usually do the trick for the eye test. We didn’t have any of those.

I actually think this is pretty easy to be honest with you. Need a reasonably tough OOC schedule and win the majority of them. Less than 150 in RPI for total non conference SOS but preferably Top 100. Need to win some on the road or on neutral sites, even if it’s against weaker opponents. Need to beat some Top 30 RPI teams. Need to avoid losses outside the Top 150 RPI.

Correct. We had the typical meh resume that doesn't get in - bad OOC schedule with no good wins there, some solid wins but no great ones in-conference, and a few rough losses (OM, Vandy, LSU). Take away at least one of those and we may have a shot. Schedule better and avoid the 300+ RPI teams in the OOC, we may get in. Beat Auburn and Tennessee, we may get in. Eliminate those 3 losses, we may get in. But you can't do all of those and get in. That won't ever happen.

[RougeDawg]

Isn?t the overall objective to get the best teams in the tournament? Wasn?t the SEC touted as the best conference in the nation all year, top to bottom? Didn?t we finish I. The top half of a 16 team league of which for 8 births? Are we not one of the top 8 SEC teams? The NCAA continues to change the criteria to make their selections. It?s just sad that a team who looked awful most of the SEC season and finished with the same record as we did in conference, gets in because they scheduled some high ranked teams OOC. Then Bama team got in with a worse conference record and a RPI 30 points better than us. We were two last second bad calls away from 11-7 and looked like a tourney team but get screwed because we beat everyone we were supposed to beat before conference play?

[Quaoarsking]

You mean like the BCS?

I know, I know, the BCS wasn't ultimately objective. But it was a hell of a lot closer to objective than to whatever the NCAA basketball committee does.

The BCS formula wasn't mathematically valid, and 5 of the 6 computer polls were secret and thus unverifiable.

But yeah, something like the BCS that's transparent and not based on random human opinions would be fairer. At least the left out teams would know exactly why.

[smootness]

Isn?t the overall objective to get the best teams in the tournament? Wasn?t the SEC touted as the best conference in the nation all year, top to bottom? Didn?t we finish I. The top half of a 16 team league of which for 8 births? Are we not one of the top 8 SEC teams? The NCAA continues to change the criteria to make their selections. It?s just sad that a team who looked awful most of the SEC season and finished with the same record as we did in conference, gets in because they scheduled some high ranked teams OOC. Then Bama team got in with a worse conference record and a RPI 30 points better than us. We were two last second bad calls away from 11-7 and looked like a tourney team but get screwed because we beat everyone we were supposed to beat before conference play?

We did not get screwed. Bama and A&M both had significantly better resumes. It is what it is.

[Dawg61]

but get screwed because we beat everyone we were supposed to beat before conference play?

In the eyes of the committee we didn't beat everyone we were supposed to beat before conference play. We didn't beat anyone. Our OOC record was basically 0-13. 13 opportunities to show we are one of the best 30 teams in the country and we chose to not take advantage of that opportunity 13 times.

[KOdawg1]

USC getting left out after finishing 2nd in Pac12 reg season and runner up in Pac12 tourney while they put in Arizona St. in when they finished 9th in Pac12 and lost first game in Pac12 tourney is the biggest screw job in the history of the tourney. USC has an RPI of 34. Committee seems to have punished them for being one of the schools named in the FBI thing but that's totally unfair imo as they let other schools in that are also named and with worse resumes than USC.

OKST not getting in over Oklahoma is a travesty too imo. They beat Oklahoma twice, Kansas twice, and also West Virginia. Only reason Oklahoma got in is bc of Trae Young

[BigEasyDawg]

OKST not getting in over Oklahoma is a travesty too imo. They beat Oklahoma twice, Kansas twice, and also West Virginia. Only reason Oklahoma got in is bc of Trae Young

Exactly. Its all about that $$$$

[Ari Gold]

OKST not getting in over Oklahoma is a travesty too imo. They beat Oklahoma twice, Kansas twice, and also West Virginia. Only reason Oklahoma got in is bc of Trae Young

100% accurate .