Braves

[msstate7]

Snit gonna snit. Ravin was lucky as hell not to lose this the inning before, but snit sticks with him despite freeman, biddle, and Moylan available. Snit is just abysmal at bullpen management. He is freaking awful

[Bulldog1]

Snit gonna snit. Ravin was lucky as hell not to lose this the inning before, but snit sticks with him despite freeman, biddle, and Moylan available. Snit is just abysmal at bullpen management. He is freaking awful

Truer words were never spoken. He has got to be gone after this year. There's a reason it took him 40 years to get a mlb manager job.

[msstate7]

Truer words were never spoken. He has got to be gone after this year. There's a reason it took him 40 years to get a mlb manager job.

He's garbage

[Bulldog1]

He's garbage

Yep. I was over reacting in that "Thank You Brian Snitker" thread the other night when I ranted on Snit, but I stand by my rant tonight. He will hold this team from contention with his terrible bullpen management among other things.

[msstate7]

Snit logic...

Last night with huge lead, use proven reliever. Tonight in tie game, try to get another inning out of a AAAA pitcher. Snit is the dumbest dude ever

[Bulldog1]

Snit logic...

Last night with huge lead, use proven reliever. Tonight in tie game, try to get another inning out of a AAAA pitcher. Snit is the dumbest dude ever

And to think I used to fly all over Fredi G. He is infinitely better than Snitker.

[msstate7]

And to think I used to fly all over Fredi G. He is infinitely better than Snitker.

The players like snit, but that is his only good quality. He just isn't smart

[Bulldog1]

The players like snit, but that is his only good quality. He just isn't smart

Players like Gary Henderson. They are equal IMO.

[msstate7]

Last night I threw a fit over using Moylan in an obvious win. Tonight shows why I was right and snit is clearly in over his head managing a BP. Shoeless will take up for his boy, snit, but he has to admit I was right about wasting moylin last night

[Bulldog1]

Last night I threw a fit over using Moylan in an obvious win. Tonight shows why I was right and snit is clearly in over his head managing a BP. Shoeless will take up for his boy, snit, but he has to admit I was right about wasting moylin last night

I had wrote out to comment on that post last night but didn't post it. I was going to say that those 2 games were different situations and that Snitker was wrong 100% both times. I also don't understand bringing Camargo up just to sit him on the bench.

[msstate7]

I had wrote out to comment on that post last night but didn't post it. I was going to say that those 2 games were different situations and that Snitker was wrong 100% both times. I also don't understand bringing Camargo up just to sit him on the bench.

I don't think AA considers us a real contender, and will give snit enough rope to hang himself. I fully expect chuckie and snit to be gone the day after we play our 162nd game.

[msstate7]

Another thing irking me is FF is clearly not right. He got some hits last night, but he has had weak contact both nights since injury. Why not rest him?

[BoomBoom]

I don't think AA considers us a real contender, and will give snit enough rope to hang himself. I fully expect chuckie and snit to be gone the day after we play our 162nd game.

Holding Acuna down pretty much proves that. AA ain't playing for this year.

[Bulldog1]

Another thing irking me is FF is clearly not right. He got some hits last night, but he has had weak contact both nights since injury. Why not rest him?

Freddie's been messed up for a week. He definitely needs some rest.

[shoeless joe]

Last night I threw a fit over using Moylan in an obvious win. Tonight shows why I was right and snit is clearly in over his head managing a BP. Shoeless will take up for his boy, snit, but he has to admit I was right about wasting moylin last night

Ha...didn't realize snit was "my boy". I am not a big snit fan I just think, much like with state, some folks over analyze and over react because it's their team and they watch every game. Any manager could be ridiculed if you watch every single game with a cynical eye. I even agreed with you on biddle Thursday nite but understood snits thought process.

But i didn't see a pitch of the game last nite so I can't comment...

[msstate7]

Ha...didn't realize snit was "my boy". I am not a big snit fan I just think, much like with state, some folks over analyze and over react because it's their team and they watch every game. Any manager could be ridiculed if you watch every single game with a cynical eye. I even agreed with you on biddle Thursday nite but understood snits thought process.

But i didn't see a pitch of the game last nite so I can't comment...

msstate7 gonna msstate7... you know I live and die with every pitch. Still think snit screwed up bullpen last 2 nights, but I'm over it now lol

[parabrave]

And to think I used to fly all over Fredi G. He is infinitely better than Snitker.

Now you don't have to go that far.

[parabrave]

msstate7 gonna msstate7... you know I live and die with every pitch. Still think snit screwed up bullpen last 2 nights, but I'm over it now lol

Now heres a suggestion concerning the BP. These guys cannot throw strikes if their lives depended on it. Gohara can throw 97-98 FB for 2-4 innings. With the production that we are getting from the starters and the lack of it from the BP I would put LG in the BP.

[Bulldog1]

Now you don't have to go that far.

Yea that was a stretch Haha.

[parabrave]

msstate7 gonna msstate7... you know I live and die with every pitch. Still think snit screwed up bullpen last 2 nights, but I'm over it now lol

Like somebody posted earlier; it was a mistake getting rid of blackjack/

[shoeless joe]

msstate7 gonna msstate7... you know I live and die with every pitch. Still think snit screwed up bullpen last 2 nights, but I'm over it now lol

Here's the thing about his pen management, he's certainly getting advice from his pitching coach and likely bench coach. So somebody either thinks he's making decent decisions or he's surrounded himself with yes men. Now, that's not saying a whole lot in regards to Hernandez as I'm def not a fan of his. I screamed my displeasure from the mountain top when they ran McDowell. Looking back I wonder if snit played a role in that move? If so I'd hafta go all msstate7 and blast snit for that one.

[msstate7]

AA agrees with me that snit is an idiot. AA DFA'd Ravin so snit can't do that crap like last night again

[BoomBoom]

Here's the thing about his pen management, he's certainly getting advice from his pitching coach and likely bench coach. So somebody either thinks he's making decent decisions or he's surrounded himself with yes men. Now, that's not saying a whole lot in regards to Hernandez as I'm def not a fan of his. I screamed my displeasure from the mountain top when they ran McDowell. Looking back I wonder if snit played a role in that move? If so I'd hafta go all msstate7 and blast snit for that one.

He certainly managed the bullpen in a way last year that got the GM on his ass. Seems like more of the same "advice" as last year.

[BoomBoom]

He certainly managed the bullpen in a way last year that got the GM on his ass. Seems like more of the same "advice" as last year.

And Snit just let Ender try to steal 3rd with nobody out. He's out, and Freddie doubled a batter later. Snit's a moron. Players love him because he let's them play. GMs hate him because he loses games by letting players do dumb shit.

[Bulldog1]

Delete.

[Bulldog1]

Great safety squeeze by Inciarte to walk off the game!!!! Go Braves!

[MaroonFlounder]

So what will this Braves lineup look like going forward, now that Camargo is back?
I missed the game. Just got back from SBW.

[msstate7]

So what will this Braves lineup look like going forward, now that Camargo is back?
I missed the game. Just got back from SBW.

I hope camargo is in the lineup going forward, but I expect flaherty back tomorrow. Flaherty has been good, so can't fault snit. If flaherty is back at 3b tomorrow, I would start camargo at 2b to give Albies a day off

[Bulldog1]

So what will this Braves lineup look like going forward, now that Camargo is back?
I missed the game. Just got back from SBW.

Acuna will be up soon. I missed the game also, got back just in time to see walk off bunt by Inciarte.

[Bulldog1]

I hope camargo is in the lineup going forward, but I expect flaherty back tomorrow. Flaherty has been good, so can't fault snit. If flaherty is back at 3b tomorrow, I would start camargo at 2b to give Albies a day off

I saw where FF had a 2 run double. Hope he feels better.

[msstate7]

I saw where FF had a 2 run double. Hope he feels better.

FF mashed tonight

[Bulldog1]

FF mashed tonight

Teheran must have pitched a gem.

[msstate7]

Teheran must have pitched a gem.

I was coming back from Starkville, and only listened to bits of it. Teheran was good according to radio. Albies had a brutal top of the 8th defensively... 1 error, but failed to cover 1st too.

[Bulldog1]

Just heard on quick pitch Mets are moving Matt Harvey to the bullpen. He isn't happy.

[Bulldog1]

I was coming back from Starkville, and only listened to bits of it. Teheran was food according to radio. Albies has a brutal top of the 8th defensively... 1 error, but failed to cover 1st too.

I was sitting in DNF checking score periodically. Maybe they'll show some of his highlights on quick pitch.

[Bulldog1]

What was the review with Albies about? What happened? I saw Braves fans saying we got screwed again.

[msstate7]

What was the review with Albies about? What happened? I saw Braves fans saying we got screwed again.

Whether he caught that the ball at 2b for out or lost it on transfer

[Bulldog1]

Whether he caught that the ball at 2b for out or lost it on transfer

Oh ok.

[BoomBoom]

Whether he caught that the ball at 2b for out or lost it on transfer

He very clearly caught it as the ball didn't fall out of his glove right away. Physics and shit. No replay showed anything other than the ball entering his glove, sittng there, then falling straight down after he reached in for the throw. Absolutley nothing there to overturn the out call.

[Bulldog1]

He very clearly caught it as the ball didn't fall out of his glove right away. Physics and shit. No replay showed anything other than the ball entering his glove, sittng there, then falling straight down after he reached in for the throw. Absolutley nothing there to overturn the out call.

Replay is a conspiracy theory against the Braves. We never benefit from it.

[Bulldog1]

We gonna play ball? How's the weather look in ATL?

[msstate7]

@mlbbowman
2h2 hours ago
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The Braves have been encouraged by what they?ve seen from Bautista, who could possibly join Atlanta?s roster within the next week

[Bulldog1]

@mlbbowman
2h2 hours ago
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The Braves have been encouraged by what they?ve seen from Bautista, who could possibly join Atlanta?s roster within the next week

Cool. Would help strengthen the bench a little bit.

[Bulldog1]

Acuna will th 3 hits today. Bring him up vs. Reds.

[Bulldog1]

Msstate7, we gonna play tonight? You heard anything?

[Bulldog1]

Very questionable...

Jose Bautista will become #Braves starting third baseman when he's promoted. Ryan Flaherty will be utilityman. Bautista is in Triple-A to see better pitching. Team doesn't anticipate he'll need much time there. (Gabe Burns)

[BoomBoom]

It's time to buy a one way ticket to Atlanta on expedia, pin it up in the bullpen, and yell that the next mother17er to walk somebody is going straight back to Gwinnett and aint coming back.

[Bulldog1]

It's time to buy a one way ticket to Atlanta on expedia, pin it up in the bullpen, and yell that the next mother17er to walk somebody is going straight back to Gwinnett and aint coming back.

Haha. I was so mad at Snitker and Chuckie tonight, I had to make a new thread about it. On a scale of 1-30 for worst mlb managers, Snitker is around 100 Lol.

[parabrave]

Dam I guess the braves really don't like to play in Cinncy. Down 3-0 early.

[msstate7]

Dam I guess the braves really don't like to play in Cinncy. Down 3-0 early.

This is what happens when you don't play your best players... luck has run out... get Acura up and Camargo at 3b

[Bulldog1]

This is what happens when you don't play your best players... luck has run out... get Acura up and Camargo at 3b

Truth. Acuna with a double tonight.

[Bulldog1]

This is what happens when you don't play your best players... luck has run out... get Acura up and Camargo at 3b

Haven't you heard? Bautista is the best option at 3B**

[MetEdDawg]

It's time to buy a one way ticket to Atlanta on expedia, pin it up in the bullpen, and yell that the next mother17er to walk somebody is going straight back to Gwinnett and aint coming back.

I'll take the trip with you. The amount of walks these guys give up is ridiculous. They've literally been following the book on how not to do their job. No out walks. Two out walks. Bases loaded walks. Walks after being up 0-2. Walks up by 3+ runs with no one on base.

I don't get how that happens. Walks are 100% mental. Professionals worth a damn shouldn't be doing some of the stuff out bullpen is doing. Bullpen has been very trashy so far.

[Bulldog1]

I'll take the trip with you. The amount of walks these guys give up is ridiculous. They've literally been following the book on how not to do their job. No out walks. Two out walks. Bases loaded walks. Walks after being up 0-2. Walks up by 3+ runs with no one on base.

I don't get how that happens. Walks are 100% mental. Professionals worth a damn shouldn't be doing some of the stuff out bullpen is doing. Bullpen has been very trashy so far.

There lies the problem.

[parabrave]

Haven't you heard? Bautista is the best option at 3B**

Don't laugh BS has already said Baitista WILL be the starter at 3rd. When Chip Carey says that this is a bad move it really must be.

[Bulldog1]

Don't laugh BS has already said Baitista WILL be the starter at 3rd. When Chip Carey says that this is a bad move it really must be.

AA and Snitker are trolling us. Dumbest move so far of AA's short Braves tenure.

[parabrave]

AA and Snitker are trolling us. Dumbest move so far of AA's short Braves tenure.

Well this smells of a T McGuirk move.

[Bulldog1]

Just want to announce that


I'M DONE WITH SNITKER.

[Bulldog1]

Braves just tied it up!

[Bulldog1]

Snitker seriously double switched Albies out?
https://media1.giphy.com/media/ADr35Z4TvATIc/giphy.gif

[shoeless joe]

Snitker seriously double switched Albies out?
https://media1.giphy.com/media/ADr35Z4TvATIc/giphy.gif

Yeah I don't like how he loves the double switch justbfor the sake of the double switch.

But gotta take the bad with the good...the attitude of this team can also be attributed to snit

[Dawg61]

Acuna got the call. Will be starting for Braves in Wed game. Hope he brings Bautista with him and I'll start watching some Braves games again.

[msstate7]

Acuna got the call. Will be starting for Braves in Wed game. Hope he brings Bautista with him and I'll start watching some Braves games again.

We have converted you to a braves' fan

[Bulldog1]

What will the lineup look like tonight?

If I was manager:
Ozzie
Dansby
Freddie
Kurt
Nick
Ender
Acuna
Camargo
Pitcher

Sadly, what will happen:
Ender
Ozzie
Freddie
Markakis
Suzuki
Swanson
Flaherty
Acuna
Pitcher.

[parabrave]

What will the lineup look like tonight?

If I was manager:
Ozzie
Dansby
Freddie
Kurt
Nick
Ender
Acuna
Camargo
Pitcher

Sadly, what will happen:
Ender
Ozzie
Freddie
Markakis
Suzuki
Swanson
Flaherty
Acuna
Pitcher.

And when Joey B shows up already penciled in as the cleanup:confused:.

[Dawg61]

We have converted you to a braves' fan

Hell no. I ****ing despise the Braves and can't stand to listen to Simpson and Caray but I like it better when they are competitive. Braves and Giants had a little rivalry going there for a couple years.

[msstate7]

Hell no. I ****ing despise the Braves and can't stand to listen to Simpson and Caray but I like it better when they are competitive. Braves and Giants had a little rivalry going there for a couple years.

I plan on being at suntrust may 4-6 when braves play giants

[Dawg61]

I plan on being at suntrust may 4-6 when braves play giants

Watching all 3 games? Very nice! Hope you get Cueto, Stratton and Samardjiza. Giants have new life all of a sudden with dead weight Hunter Pence going DL and Mac Williamson replacing him.

[msstate7]

@sportscrack
12m12 minutes ago
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Ronald Acuna Jr is 20 years and 128 days old.

The last five starting outfielders to make their MLB debut at a younger age:
Bryce Harper, 2012
Mike Trout, 2011
Miguel Cabrera, 2003
Andruw Jones, 1996
Ken Griffey Jr., 1989

[Really Clark?]

What will the lineup look like tonight?

If I was manager:
Ozzie
Dansby
Freddie
Kurt
Nick
Ender
Acuna
Camargo
Pitcher

Sadly, what will happen:
Ender
Ozzie
Freddie
Markakis
Suzuki
Swanson
Flaherty
Acuna
Pitcher.

You don’t move Ender while he is hot. 5 multi hit games in the last 7 he has played and hitting .419.

[shoeless joe]

Hell no. I ****ing despise the Braves and can't stand to listen to Simpson and Caray but I like it better when they are competitive. Braves and Giants had a little rivalry going there for a couple years.

Chip may be the worst play by play guy in baseball...but Simpson is absolutely top tier if not THE best color guy

[Bulldog1]

Has a replay ever gone our way?
Oh boy, here comes Chuckie to talk to Wisler. Prepare for a HR.

[shoeless joe]

Has a replay ever gone our way?
Oh boy, here comes Chuckie to talk to Wisler. Prepare for a HR.

Replay in MLB is an absolute travesty of the game. It is as inconsistent as an SEC umps strike zone. I wish they'd go back to only reviewing boundary calls

[parabrave]

Well the old Wisler decided to show up an just put on a shi$show. And BS you don't put a rookie batting 6th. Move Dansby up and have him batting 7th.

[BoomBoom]

Well the old Wisler decided to show up an just put on a shi$show. And BS you don't put a rookie batting 6th. Move Dansby up and have him batting 7th.

My grandmother could have made the tag at home. Wisler was playing with fire though with so many men put on base.

[Bulldog1]

They intentionally hit Ozzie.

[msstate7]

My grandmother could have made the tag at home. Wisler was playing with fire though with so many men put on base.

Perez has to be done in Atlanta

[shoeless joe]

They intentionally hit Ozzie.

Stupid if so. 1. It's a tie game and he's leading off the 8th
2. He only watched the homer til he realized it might actually be fair and then he ran

[Bulldog1]

Perez has to be done in Atlanta

Definitely.
Snitker and AA-
https://media.giphy.com/media/2pHCxQtUttmHm/giphy.gif

[Bulldog1]

Whew, that was close!

Minter > Vizciano.

[shoeless joe]

Suzuki is my favorite player on this team. Good advertising for those ax handle bats

[msstate7]

Suzuki is my favorite player on this team. Good advertising for those ax handle bats

He has become such a good player since last year

[Bulldog1]

He has become such a good player since last year

What's Flowers up to? I'm sick of Perez.

[msstate7]

What's Flowers up to? I'm sick of Perez.

Not sure. He didn't catch or DH today at Gwinnett. Hopefully nothing wrong with him

[Bulldog1]

No Camargo today. I don't get it.

[Matty Dispatch]

No Camargo today. I don't get it.

Until Flaherty finally gets back well below .300, like Preston Tucker has, then they'll continue to platoon. I'm assuming they just don't want to risk benching a potentially hot bat.

[msstate7]

Until Flaherty finally gets back well below .300, like Preston Tucker has, then they'll continue to platoon. I'm assuming they just don't want to risk benching a potentially hot bat.

Nope. Bautista is starter in a few days... no platoon. Snit addressed this the other day. Pretty sad... Camargo has 448 PA at AAA and mlb last 2 years, and has slashed .296/.339/.477. He has an fWAR of 1.3 in 86 games now during this time period... that is pace for 2.4. Definitely not great, but pretty solid.

[parabrave]

Nope. Bautista is starter in a few days... no platoon. Snit addressed this the other day. Pretty sad... Camargo has 448 PA at AAA and mlb last 2 years, and has slashed .296/.339/.477. He has an fWAR of 1.3 in 86 games now during this time period... that is pace for 2.4. Definitely not great, but pretty solid.

Myself and about 99.9% of braves fans agree with you and are saying WTF Braves. Even now Chip saying Joey Bats will be our saving grace. This was a f'd up transaction. The last thing this team needed was another infielder, esp an old guy.. What part of OUR BP SUCKS don't they understand.

[parabrave]

Dam Acuna. Just hit it out of the park next time. His bat speed is just amazing.

[msstate7]

Dam Acuna. Just hit it out of the park next time. His bat speed is just amazing.

He's gonna be fun. Albies, acuna, FF, and Swanson is one heck of a core

[Bulldog1]

Acuna is unstoppable.

[parabrave]

Acuna is unstoppable.

Don't forget about Ablies! Dang when Acu really gets acclimated to major pitching How about this top of the order Ender, Ozzie Anuna then FF hitting cleanup. Now if we can just find a bullpen and a manager and a ownership who won't view the Braves as a tax write off, think of the possibilities.

[Bulldog1]

Don't forget about Ablies! Dang when Acu really gets acclimated to major pitching How about this top of the order Ender, Ozzie Anuna then FF hitting cleanup. Now if we can just find a bullpen and a manager and a ownership who won't view the Braves as a tax write off, think of the possibilities.

I totally agree.

[smootness]

Don't forget about Ablies! Dang when Acu really gets acclimated to major pitching How about this top of the order Ender, Ozzie Anuna then FF hitting cleanup. Now if we can just find a bullpen and a manager and a ownership who won't view the Braves as a tax write off, think of the possibilities.

Take Ender out, throw Dansby up there.

[msstate7]

Need a PH, so snit goes with culberson over Camargo and tucker. Snit is the dumbest human alive

[Bulldog1]

Take Ender out, throw Dansby up there.

Ozzie- Dansby- Acuna- FF.

Or
Ozzie- Dansby- FF- Acuna.

[msstate7]

Need a PH, so snit goes with culberson over Camargo and tucker. Snit is the dumbest human alive

Never mind, reds' manager dumber pitching to Swanson there

[parabrave]

Well Viscano tried to blow it. That BP is going to kill us.

[Bulldog1]

Well Viscano tried to blow it. That BP is going to kill us.

Minter has to be closer. It's a necessity.

[Bulldog1]

Braves are going to call up Chase Whitley Tomorrow.

[parabrave]

Gonna have to encase all the balls and programs I got Acuna, Albies and Gohara to sign for me last year. Funny having to have Goh having to interpret for acuna when talking to them..

[Dawg61]

Nope. Bautista is starter in a few days... no platoon. Snit addressed this the other day. Pretty sad... Camargo has 448 PA at AAA and mlb last 2 years, and has slashed .296/.339/.477. He has an fWAR of 1.3 in 86 games now during this time period... that is pace for 2.4. Definitely not great, but pretty solid.


Myself and about 99.9% of braves fans agree with you and are saying WTF Braves. Even now Chip saying Joey Bats will be our saving grace. This was a f'd up transaction. The last thing this team needed was another infielder, esp an old guy.. What part of OUR BP SUCKS don't they understand.

I don't get the Bautista hate. I wanted the Giants to sign him. He only costs 2 mill and he's a good player. He'll hit 20-25 bombs and get on base a lot.

[Bulldog1]

I don't get the Bautista hate. I wanted the Giants to sign him. He only costs 2 mill and he's a good player. He'll hit 20-25 bombs and get on base a lot.

Part of my hate is benching Camargo in favor of Bautista.

I said this a couple of days ago:

Yep. Seems like a head scratcher by upper management. I mean Camargo gets called up to sit on the bench, but they sign this retread strike out machine, has been washed up shell of his former self baseball player, Bautista- and he is the big dog at 3B? Hope they show me to be wrong, but I doubt it.

I just feel like we should see what Camargo can do. But, Bautista is a decent bench bat.

[msstate7]

I don't get the Bautista hate. I wanted the Giants to sign him. He only costs 2 mill and he's a good player. He'll hit 20-25 bombs and get on base a lot.

Bautista had an fWAR of -0.5 playing OF with an ops of .674. He is now moving to 3b. 20 homeruns mean little when you slug .366 and strike out 25% of the time. Hopefully he finds the fountain of youth, but I doubt it

[parabrave]

I don't get the Bautista hate. I wanted the Giants to sign him. He only costs 2 mill and he's a good player. He'll hit 20-25 bombs and get on base a lot.

They have 2 players in front of him right now with one of them playing lights out. They need help in other areas.

[shoeless joe]

They have 2 players in front of him right now with one of them playing lights out. They need help in other areas.

What area?? Bull pen? Front line starter? That's about it...but this is a low risk high reward opportunity. Admittedly I don't think camargo is an every day guy.

Signing Bautista will have zero affect on their ability to acquire one of their major needs

[msstate7]

What area?? Bull pen? Front line starter? That's about it...but this is a low risk high reward opportunity. Admittedly I don't think camargo is an every day guy. JMO

Camargo very well may not be an everyday guy, but Bautista at 3b is much more of a question mark than camargo. The worst part of this is we just gave the job to him. He will be promoted and given a starting role just bc of his name bc he is not the same player as 3 seasons ago

[shoeless joe]

Camargo very well may not be an everyday guy, but Bautista at 3b is much more of a question mark than camargo. The worst part of this is we just gave the job to him. He will be promoted and given a starting role just bc of his name bc he is not the same player as 3 seasons ago

Don't necessarily disagree but if a few weeks down the road he's stinkin it up then he'll get DFA'd and the experiment cost very little. On the flip side he's rejuvenated and gives some solid production and still didn't cost much of anything and, I repeat, does not affect the ability to make a move that will be much needed to compete either this yr or next.

[msstate7]

Don't necessarily disagree but if a few weeks down the road he's stinkin it up then he'll get DFA'd and the experiment cost very little. On the flip side he's rejuvenated and gives some solid production and still didn't cost much of anything and, I repeat, does not affect the ability to make a move that will be much needed to compete either this yr or next.

Yeah, you're right, but I would feel much better about this if we made Bautista at least tear up AAA to earn a promotion. He has sucked so far. I would absolutely love to be wrong though.

[Dawg61]

Bautista had an fWAR of -0.5 playing OF with an ops of .674. He is now moving to 3b. 20 homeruns mean little when you slug .366 and strike out 25% of the time. Hopefully he finds the fountain of youth, but I doubt it

Get off WAR already. It's Jose Bautista.

[msstate7]

Get off WAR already. It's Jose Bautista. He's way better than Carwhothe****go.

Throw out WAR then...
k rate = 25%
Slugging % = .366
Obp = .308
Avg = .203
Struck out career high 170 times; 116 was previous

Camargo...
K rate = 19.9%
Slugging = .452
Obp = .331
Avg = .299

[Bulldog1]

Play the Phillies tomorrow. I'll have to set the DVR to a 3 hour extension. LOL.

[Dawg61]

Nope. Bautista is starter in a few days... no platoon. Snit addressed this the other day. Pretty sad... Camargo has 448 PA at AAA and mlb last 2 years, and has slashed .296/.339/.477. He has an fWAR of 1.3 in 86 games now during this time period... that is pace for 2.4. Definitely not great, but pretty solid.


Throw out WAR then...
k rate = 25%
Slugging % = .366
Obp = .308
Avg = .203
Struck out career high 170 times; 116 was previous

Camargo...
K rate = 19.9%
Slugging = .452
Obp = .331
Avg = .299

1 year and you're skewing the stats. How many ABs? What level is Carmango playing at? Bautista was hurt some last year. I kept him as a keeper for five straight years. Besides last year he hit at an All-Star level. What are Bautista's numbers the previous five seasons before last? Before last year he was leading the MLB in total homeruns for a good stretch of time. Like half a decade.

[msstate7]

1 year and you're skewing the stats. How many ABs? What level is Carmango playing at? Bautista was hurt some last year. I kept him as a keeper for five straight years. Besides last year he hit at an All-Star level. What are Bautista's numbers the previous five seasons before last? Before last year he was leading the MLB in total homeruns for a good stretch of time. Like half a decade.

Camargo mlb stats since last season...
220 PA .296/.332/.458 20.7 k%

[smootness]

I don't get the Bautista hate. I wanted the Giants to sign him. He only costs 2 mill and he's a good player. He'll hit 20-25 bombs and get on base a lot.

He is no longer a good player.

[Matty Dispatch]

They probably told Bautista that if he went ahead and signed a minor league deal it would be a formality that he'll be able to get called up and get the chance to play at 3B every day. And the Braves are looking at it like this: 1. if he can provide big time power batting 5th or 6th and not be awful at 3B then he'll remain the starter. 2. if he sucks like he did last year then he's one hell of a pinch hitter for our team. I think the latter ends up happening and Camargo is the starting 3rd baseman the second half of the season. If that's the case and Buatista is a pinch hitter, that's a big plus over Culberson or Peter Bourjos.

[msstate7]

They probably told Bautista that if he went ahead and signed a minor league deal it would be a formality that he'll be able to get called up and get the chance to play at 3B every day. And the Braves are looking at it like this: 1. if he can provide big time power batting 5th or 6th and not be awful at 3B then he'll remain the starter. 2. if he sucks like he did last year then he's one hell of a pinch hitter for our team. I think the latter ends up happening and Camargo is the starting 3rd baseman the second half of the season. If that's the case and Buatista is a pinch hitter, that's a big plus over Culberson or Peter Bourjos.

The problem with tucker and Bautista as bench bats is they are both very limited in where they can play in the field.

[Matty Dispatch]

The problem with tucker and Bautista as bench bats is they are both very limited in where they can play in the field.

But having Tucker as a lefty and Bautista on the bench gives you power from both sides. I'd keep Culberson because he can play every infield position and release Flahrty (assuming he's going to return to his career .221 average). Markakis, Inciarte and Acuna are just going to have to play every day. And I'm sure Acuna could play CF if need be and Tucker a corner OF position as well as Buatista.

[msstate7]

But having Tucker as a lefty and Bautista on the bench gives you power from both sides. I'd keep Culberson because he can play every infield position and release Flahrty (assuming he's going to return to his career .221 average). Markakis, Inciarte and Acuna are just going to have to play every day. And I'm sure Acuna could play CF if need be and Tucker a corner OF position as well as Buatista.
Sounds like a plan

[smootness]

But having Tucker as a lefty and Bautista on the bench gives you power from both sides. I'd keep Culberson because he can play every infield position and release Flahrty (assuming he's going to return to his career .221 average). Markakis, Inciarte and Acuna are just going to have to play every day. And I'm sure Acuna could play CF if need be and Tucker a corner OF position as well as Buatista.

There is a shift that must happen in the way teams view players like Flaherty. Instead of looking at him and saying, 'Wow, he's batting .300+, we need to keep him in the lineup while he's hitting this well,' we need to look at him and say, 'Wow, we got 21 games of .300+ out of Ryan Flaherty, how fortunate we are!' and stop playing him before we get the cold spell that brings him back down to career norms. If you wait until he falls back to where he's been, then you got nothing beneficial out of him. You just got more games of a normal Ryan Flaherty instead of just the good stuff.

Hopefully we're shifting in the way we view that, but we'll just have to see.

[Dawg61]

There is a shift that must happen in the way teams view players like Flaherty. Instead of looking at him and saying, 'Wow, he's batting .300+, we need to keep him in the lineup while he's hitting this well,' we need to look at him and say, 'Wow, we got 21 games of .300+ out of Ryan Flaherty, how fortunate we are!' and stop playing him before we get the cold spell that brings him back down to career norms. If you wait until he falls back to where he's been, then you got nothing beneficial out of him. You just got more games of a normal Ryan Flaherty instead of just the good stuff.

Hopefully we're shifting in the way we view that, but we'll just have to see.

Damn what a bleak outlook on life errr I mean baseball players

[smootness]

Damn what a bleak outlook on life errr I mean baseball players

Haha what?

We know what Ryan Flaherty is. He has proven that over 6 major league seasons. He currently has a BABIP over .400. That means you have lucked out and gotten much better production out of Ryan Flaherty than you could have ever hoped or than he is likely to produce going forward.

So, if you continue playing Flaherty, he will almost certainly come back down to career norms. By doing so, you will negate any positives from having him play so far above his head to start. If you stop playing him (or at least stop starting him since we now have a better option), you will ensure you were the lucky beneficiary of his surprising play.

It's like gambling. If you go to Vegas and win huge your first time out, you should absolutely stop playing. Instead, people continue, thinking they can keep getting lucky, and they negate any gains they got.

What is bleak about that?

[BoomBoom]

Haha what?

We know what Ryan Flaherty is. He has proven that over 6 major league seasons. He currently has a BABIP over .400. That means you have lucked out and gotten much better production out of Ryan Flaherty than you could have ever hoped or than he is likely to produce going forward.

So, if you continue playing Flaherty, he will almost certainly come back down to career norms. By doing so, you will negate any positives from having him play so far above his head to start. If you stop playing him (or at least stop starting him since we now have a better option), you will ensure you were the lucky beneficiary of his surprising play.

It's like gambling. If you go to Vegas and win huge your first time out, you should absolutely stop playing. Instead, people continue, thinking they can keep getting lucky, and they negate any gains they got.

What is bleak about that?

Never assume performance will.drop below career norms to "stabilize" his numbers. Dice.have no memory. He is most likely to put up his career numbers from here out, averaging with his lucky start to give him a career year. If you have a better option than his career numbers, then you play him. If not, ride the hot streak.

[MetEdDawg]

Never assume performance will.drop below career norms to "stabilize" his numbers. Dice.have no memory. He is most likely to put up his career numbers from here out, averaging with his lucky start to give him a career year. If you have a better option than his career numbers, then you play him. If not, ride the hot streak.

This 100%. At some point there may be diminishing returns that force your hand. But you don't preemptively take him out because his career numbers will potentially point to regression back to norm. You ride it until it's gone. Once you realize that the return is not good enough, then you consider making a change. But I've never heard of sitting someone that was hot because the next day they may not be hot because their career numbers say at some point they will probably not be as good as they are showing.

[msstate7]

Never assume performance will.drop below career norms to "stabilize" his numbers. Dice.have no memory. He is most likely to put up his career numbers from here out, averaging with his lucky start to give him a career year. If you have a better option than his career numbers, then you play him. If not, ride the hot streak.

How do you decide if his hot streak is over? 1 for last 15 with 6 k

[Bulldog1]

How do you decide if his hot streak is over? 1 for last 15 with 6 k

If you ride the hot streak, it will take 5 or 6 games possibly of him sucking to know if his hot streak is over. By then, he's become a problem. That's why you don't just go by the "hot hand".

[Matty Dispatch]

I would be done with Flahrty as soon as Jose Bautista is ready to be promoted. And since he's hitting over .300, maybe another team will trade him for cash or a reliever with an expiring contract. Right now he's going to be a victim of being on a talented team, or at least he should be. Watch the barving commence when they send Comargo back to AAA instead.

[msstate7]

I would be done with Flahrty as soon as Jose Bautista is ready to be promoted. And since he's hitting over .300, maybe another team will trade him for cash or a reliever with an expiring contract. Right now he's going to be a victim of being on a talented team, or at least he should be. Watch the barving commence when they send Comargo back to AAA instead.

I will melt. Seriously, I will throw a temper tantrum on my iPhone haha

[Bulldog1]

I will melt. Seriously, I will throw a temper tantrum on my iPhone haha

I may literally melt my iPhone. Lol. I swear BS makes Gary Henderson look like a HOF manager. (Talking about Camargo having to sit again.)

[BoomBoom]

How do you decide if his hot streak is over? 1 for last 15 with 6 k

You don't. You assume you will get his career numbers going forward. I would play Carmago. I'm lower on him than others, but you need to give him ABs to see what you've got.

[msstate7]

1-run game with top of Phillies' lineup up... let's get a new kid his first action. Snit continues to be the dumbest dude alive. No way I trust snit and chuckle with these young kids

[Bulldog1]

Who'd he bring in?

[msstate7]

Who'd he bring in?

Chase Whitley or Whitney or whoever this AAAA trash is. He tops out at like 86

[Bulldog1]

Chase Whitley or Whitney or whoever this AAAA trash is. He tops out at like 86

Clown show.

[Bulldog1]

Snitker makes me so mad!!! Why is Flaherty playing again?
On the bright side: Flowers is catching tonight and Acuna is up to the 5 spot in the lineup!

[parabrave]

Snitker makes me so mad!!! Why is Flaherty playing again?
On the bright side: Flowers is catching tonight and Acuna is up to the 5 spot in the lineup!

Because he is hitting over 300 and Bautista is hitting BJ Upton numbers.

[Bulldog1]

Because he is hitting over 300 and Bautista is hitting BJ Upton numbers.

Camargo should be starting. RF has 2 hits in his last 17 plate appearances.

[MaroonFlounder]

What is the prognosis on Teheran? He left game early last outing.

[msstate7]

What is the prognosis on Teheran? He left game early last outing.

Don't think it is expected to be a huge issue. May miss a start bc of back, but I doubt it

[msstate7]

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I like this lineup

[Bulldog1]

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I like this lineup

YES. YES. YES. I LOVE IT.

[shoeless joe]

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I like this lineup

Hate the pitcher hitting 8th

[tenureplan]

YES. YES. YES. I LOVE IT.

Would rather have acuna 4 and Markakis 5. Snit is doing this in order to have 3 fast table setters in front of FF. Maybe we should try acuna 3 and FF 4 for a bit.

[msstate7]

This lineup produced

[parabrave]

New lineup "looking good Louis, Feeling good Billy Ray"

[Bulldog1]

Looks like it worked.

[shoeless joe]

I may not like that style of line up but if it produces then I'm al for it. Although one good game doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Also, THAT is when a double switch it a wise move. Now if freeman doesn't come out to start the 8th then I'll change my opinion.

[msstate7]

My boy, Swanson needs to get it together. Too many swing and misses lately. He has a hit in 9 of last 12 games, so not ice cold... the strike outs are not good though. Glad tomorrow is an off day

[Bulldog1]

My boy, Swanson needs to get it together. Too many swing and misses lately. He has a hit in 9 of last 12 games, so not ice cold... the strike outs are not good though. Glad tomorrow is an off day

He'll be fine. He'll be hot again Tuesday.

[parabrave]

My boy, Swanson needs to get it together. Too many swing and misses lately. He has a hit in 9 of last 12 games, so not ice cold... the strike outs are not good though. Glad tomorrow is an off day

He is trying too hard to match Acuna and Albies power hitting. In the earlier games he was getting up there and looking to hit for average now he trying to jack it every AB/.

[msstate7]

No hit, but good AB by Swanson. Worked a count and hit it well to left center

[shoeless joe]

Funny to see biddle apologize to Suzuki for missing knapp twice. And it was a wise move to not go ahead and hit him after missing him like that. No reason to mess up the mojo with a brawl and suspensions.

[Matty Dispatch]

Would rather have acuna 4 and Markakis 5. Snit is doing this in order to have 3 fast table setters in front of FF. Maybe we should try acuna 3 and FF 4 for a bit.

I agree. Inciarte is leading MLB in stolen bases with 13 and he's a good hitter. I like him at leadoff, then Albies, then Acuna, then Freddie, then Markakis.

[msstate7]

Current fWAR and pace to finish...
Albies 1.4 (8.4)
Acuna 0.5 (14)
FF 1.4 (8.4)
Markakis 0.7 (4.2)
Suzuki 0.7 (2.6 figured at 81 games)
Ender 0.3 (1.8)
Swanson 0.7 (4.3)

As great as this season has been so far, I think the paces show we are due some major regression. I think ender's pace goes up, but everyone else's slows considerably

[Bulldog1]

Current fWAR and pace to finish...
Albies 1.4 (8.4)
Acuna 0.5 (14)
FF 1.4 (8.4)
Markakis 0.7 (4.2)
Suzuki 0.7 (2.6 figured at 81 games)
Ender 0.3 (1.8)
Swanson 0.7 (4.3)

As great as this season has been so far, I think the paces show we are due some major regression. I think ender's pace goes up, but everyone else's slows considerably.
Acuna is on pace for 14? Obvious SSS, but that's awesome.

[Bulldog1]

Riley is sitting again in Mississippi.

[smootness]

Current fWAR and pace to finish...
Albies 1.4 (8.4)
Acuna 0.5 (14)
FF 1.4 (8.4)
Markakis 0.7 (4.2)
Suzuki 0.7 (2.6 figured at 81 games)
Ender 0.3 (1.8)
Swanson 0.7 (4.3)

As great as this season has been so far, I think the paces show we are due some major regression. I think ender's pace goes up, but everyone else's slows considerably

Those numbers for Suzuki line up with what he did last year, and I don't know that either Dansby or Freeman are in line for too much regression.

Albies will come down some, and obviously Acuna won't continue to OPS at 1.300. But I don't know that these numbers are too out of whack. Our offense will come down, though, we won't score the 2nd most runs in the league. Hopefully our pitching improves slightly to offset some of that.

[msstate7]

Those numbers for Suzuki line up with what he did last year, and I don't know that either Dansby or Freeman are in line for too much regression.

Albies will come down some, and obviously Acuna won't continue to OPS at 1.300. But I don't know that these numbers are too out of whack. Our offense will come down, though, we won't score the 2nd most runs in the league. Hopefully our pitching improves slightly to offset some of that.

You know I love dansby, but I don't see 4 fWAR. I said 2.5-3.0 before season... I'm gonna stick with that.

Suzuki apparently has become a very good player somehow. Really like watching him play.

3b will probably tell the tale. We have been extremely fortunate there so far. I'm afraid we are gonna take a big time there with RF and Bautista. I think Camargo could be an actual asset at 2.0 fWAR or so, but doubt he gets a shot

[Bulldog1]

Bautista tonight 1-3, BB, 2 K. Hitting .214 in AAA now.

[Bulldog1]

Y'all think Snitker will change the lineup tomorrow night?