McNeese state baseball game

[msstate7]

Has a starter been announced?

[preachermatt83]

Idk but I feel sure it'll be keagan James.

[Bigedawg]

I think I saw it was Leibelt(sp)? I saw all that I needed to see when I saw his 30 plus ERA. Woof. Hopefully, just an early season statistical anomaly.

[HoopsDawg]

Liebelt. McNeese is 1-6 on the year.

[Homedawg]

Idk but I feel sure it'll be keagan James.

Hahahah. Why keep doing it to yourself.......

[Coach34]

We have an Elitedawg correspondent there today for a live report

[msstate7]

We have an Elitedawg correspondent there today for a live report

I hope he can report a dominating a win. We need to get going headed into the weekend

[preachermatt83]

Hahahah. Why keep doing it to yourself.......

Lol, that would have been the logical choice... liebelt is the worst pitcher on our staff.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Lol, that would have been the logical choice... liebelt is the worst pitcher on our staff.

Hope Leibelt improves tremendously but right now I can’t understand the narrative for cutting Trey Jolly on baseball grounds

It’s not like McQ, Gordo, or JB are strike throwers either. Right now I rather have 10 lottery tickets of relief pitchers. After each walk, we keep switching lottery tickets until one guy attacks the zone

[TNDawg35]

Leibelt didn't make it through the 1st...

[HoopsDawg]

Leibelt didn't make it through the 1st...

What is Henderson doing?

[The Federalist Engineer]

What is Henderson doing?

Trying to keep Leibelts ERA under triple digits

[HailState15]

What’s happening?

[Skydawg1]

What’s happening?

2-2, b2

[msstate7]

No love for Skelton 2-run single?

2-2

[was21]

What is Henderson doing?

Hopefully not sexting

[BuckyIsAB****]

Leibelt didn't make it through the 1st...

How is he on the team but Cyr and others arent?

I know Cyr was a shithead but sometimes shitheads win. Liebelt is lietrash

[msstate7]

Make contact, Luke

[TNDawg35]

LA and Mac go down swinging. I think it's time for a youth movement... Foscue, Allen, Anderson, and whoever else we have who wants to play and will swing the bat and actually make contact.

[BuckyIsAB****]

MacNamee, Poole, and LA simply arent SEC hitters. Mac and Poole are nowhere near good enough on D to keep them out there. You can hide one bad hitter but its hard to hide three.

Put the younger cats in

[BuckyIsAB****]

LA and Mac go down swinging. I think it's time for a youth movement... Foscue, Allen, Anderson, and whoever else we have who wants to play and will swing the bat and actually make contact.

I agree but Tanner Allen is already starting

[TNDawg35]

I agree but Tanner Allen is already starting

Yea I know. And it seems Foscue is also, but I was just making my point. Rowdy is the other I meant to say...

[msstate7]

4-2 mcneese 2-run hr

[Ari Gold]

You can’t have one of the worse if not the worse SS in the SEC if you want to be one of the top teams .
It’s time to make a move.
That’s 8 k’s to 6 hits..
And the back of the baseball card says it won’t get any better.

[HoopsDawg]

You can’t have one of the worse if not the worse SS in the SEC if you want to be one of the top teams .
It’s time to make a move.
That’s 8 k’s to 6 hits..
And the back of the baseball card says it won’t get any better.

We could move Stovall to SS. I think both Tanner Allen and Rowdy can play 2B. That would open up an OF spot for Jordan Anderson.

[mparkerfd20]

I don't blame Cann at all anymore. If I had a team as bad as this one I'd be sexting too.

[Political Hack]

I don't blame Cann at all anymore. If I had a team as bad as this one I'd be sexting too.

Cold. I’m not saying I disagree, but cold regardless. I think the fans may have been a year ahead with expectations.

[maroonmania]

Any chance this one could get called due to fog? Seriously though, how did Liebelt make this team?

[HoopsDawg]

Cold. I’m not saying I disagree, but cold regardless. I think the fans may have been a year ahead with expectations.

Yeah, but we are going to need some pitching next year.

[bulldogcountry1]

I've been trying to be patient, but here we are in the 8th game, and the projected middle of our lineup is trash.

[HoopsDawg]

Wow, they straight up stole home on us.

[HancockCountyDog]

Wow, they straight up stole home on us.

Like a double steal?

[HoopsDawg]

And Skelton just tried to bunt for a hit, WTF. Did he do that on his own?

[Homedawg]

Hope Leibelt improves tremendously but right now I can?t understand the narrative for cutting Trey Jolly on baseball grounds

It?s not like McQ, Gordo, or JB are strike throwers either. Right now I rather have 10 lottery tickets of relief pitchers. After each walk, we keep switching lottery tickets until one guy attacks the zone



Jolly wasn't good. And leibelt was a scholarship guy. Right or wrong. But he has to be kept.

[HoopsDawg]

Like a double steal?

Just a straight steal against a RHP pitcher. That's hard to do in little league.

[Homedawg]

Cold. I’m not saying I disagree, but cold regardless. I think the fans may have been a year ahead with expectations.

Anybody that thought this was going to be a great team was crazy. We will still go as far as small and pull take us. We shall see

[HoopsDawg]

Jolly wasn't good. And leibelt was a scholarship guy. Right or wrong. But he has to be kept.

I hear Brant Blaylock is raking in Juco.

[msstate7]

Lsu down 5-0 to se Louisiana after having to come back in the 8th last night to beat a swac school

[Homedawg]

Any chance this one could get called due to fog? Seriously though, how did Liebelt make this team?
See above, we gave him a scholarship..... so there you have it and obviate did ok in the fall. But he's been beyond bad thusfar

[msstate7]

I hear Brant Blaylock is raking in Juco.

He had to go... cannot have that fat bottom loving guy corrupting our team

[Homedawg]

I hear Brant Blaylock is raking in Juco.

Well, he k'd half his ab's here so....... that might tell you about juco, or he got way better over night. He has the other tools.

[HoopsDawg]

Well, he k'd half his ab's here so....... that might tell you about juco, or he got way better over night. He has the other tools.

Brent Rooker redshirted as a freshman and barely played until his redshirt sophomore year.

[msstate7]

Cannot get a big hit

[Todd4State]

Jolly wasn't good. And leibelt was a scholarship guy. Right or wrong. But he has to be kept.

People do not understand this point at all when they're wondering why some players are kept and others are not. It's why the NCAA rules are terrible- they not only barely give college baseball anything- but they also tell colleges how to spend what little they have. And if we cut a scholarship player we lose that scholarship money for the year. And correct me if I am wrong- I believe the NCAA will not allow a scholarship player to be cut based on performance in any sport. If I recall and am understanding correctly that was part of the reason why Alabama fired Greg Goff- he threatened to cut guys that were on scholarship for them in team meetings.

[HoopsDawg]

Well, he k'd half his ab's here so....... that might tell you about juco, or he got way better over night. He has the other tools.

I just found his stats. He's hitting .481, 6 HR's, 3 2B's and a triple in 8 games. .563 OBP. That's pretty good at any level.

[Thick]

We suck at baseball.

[Todd4State]

Also- we need to stop pitching Leibelt. He has gotten more chances than anyone it seems like so far this year and has not had a solid outing yet other than Jackson State.

Even though Preacher was wrong about who the pitcher actually was- he was right about who it should have been.

[HoopsDawg]

People do not understand this point at all when they're wondering why some players are kept and others are not. It's why the NCAA rules are terrible- they not only barely give college baseball anything- but they also tell colleges how to spend what little they have. And if we cut a scholarship player we lose that scholarship money for the year. And correct me if I am wrong- I believe the NCAA will not allow a scholarship player to be cut based on performance in any sport. If I recall and am understanding correctly that was part of the reason why Alabama fired Greg Goff- he threatened to cut guys that were on scholarship for them in team meetings.

You can cut em without announcing why. And you sure don't have to start them.

[Offshore Dawg]

Well we may end up with a 55 Million dollar stadium and a 55 cent team.

[The Federalist Engineer]

At this point, I’m only comfortable thinking we win 6 or 7 SEC games this year. I think the 2015 team would sweep this team

[maroonmania]

Dang, looking like no NCAA tournament play in basketball or baseball this year. :(

[Todd4State]

I just found his stats. He's hitting .481, 6 HR's, 3 2B's and a triple in 8 games. .563 OBP. That's pretty good at any level.

Name that player

.378 AVG 6 HR's 39 RBI's and could not find OBP but it was probably pretty good in JUCO.









Answer- Tanner Poole.

[msstate7]

I just found his stats. He's hitting .481, 6 HR's, 3 2B's and a triple in 8 games. .563 OBP. That's pretty good at any level.

Dang. Probably see him at om next season

[Todd4State]

You can cut em without announcing why. And you sure don't have to start them.

True- but the NCAA knows. That could cause MSU potential problems if we don't follow the rules.

[Todd4State]

Dang. Probably see him at om next season

Already committed to USM.

[Todd4State]

At this point, I’m only comfortable thinking we win 6 or 7 SEC games this year. I think the 2015 team would sweep this team

Maybe I'm just optimistic but I think we win a few more than that. But I think we miss because we play too many SWAC teams and we don't have enough opportunities to overcome it. Assuming we finish above .500. It's just a mess any way you cut it.

[preachermatt83]

We could move Stovall to SS. I think both Tanner Allen and Rowdy can play 2B. That would open up an OF spot for Jordan Anderson.

This

[The Federalist Engineer]

Jolly wasn't good. And leibelt was a scholarship guy. Right or wrong. But he has to be kept.

Not saying he was good, just saying if you don?t have quality you need quantity. He did have a couple good outings, like Gordon?s miracle 7 innings vs Florida

[maroonmania]

Already committed to USM.

Oh good, he can abuse us next year instead of Luke Reynolds.

[HoopsDawg]

KP, Small, and France will give us a chance. Then we can have James, Self, Blake Smith, Bill, and Gordon out of the pen. That's 8 good arms. Foscue just got another hit. That dude can rake.

[maroonmania]

Not saying he was good, just saying if you don?t have quality you need quantity. He did have a couple good outings, like Gordon?s miracle 7 innings vs Florida

The current question is not why we didn't cut him but rather why is he getting so many appearances given the way he has performed.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I think its safe to say we were all bullshitting ourselves about competing for the SEC this year and going to Omaha.

I know its baseball and we always get better as it goes but Jesus H Christ we are awful right now.

[Homedawg]

Brent Rooker redshirted as a freshman and barely played until his redshirt sophomore year.

Ok.... and. So blaylock is rooker? I know you did t say that. But fact remains blaylock k'd half his at bats and that was almost 100 ab's

[The Federalist Engineer]

Jim Ellis is talking up Jordan Westburg- he’s basically saying “what is LA doing out here!” In the super nice Jim Ellis way

[Homedawg]

I just found his stats. He's hitting .481, 6 HR's, 3 2B's and a triple in 8 games. .563 OBP. That's pretty good at any level.

It is. Won't deny that. I can repeat last years stas too. Have you seen ma juco pitching though?? Really? As a whole it isn't good.

[Ari Gold]

Jim Ellis is talking up Jordan Westburg- he’s basically saying “what is LA doing out here!” In the super nice Jim Ellis way

Welcome to the party Jim..

[Homedawg]

Not saying he was good, just saying if you don?t have quality you need quantity. He did have a couple good outings, like Gordon?s miracle 7 innings vs Florida

It boils down to he had his scholarship yanked. It is what it is. You get 27 guys on ship, then the next best 8 make it based on positional needs. It's tough business. Hell Dakota Hudson had his yanked before his jr year.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Ok.... and. So blaylock is rooker? I know you did t say that. But fact remains blaylock k'd half his at bats and that was almost 100 ab's

Blaylock is Renfroe! Probably not, but we gave him plenty of chances and he needed to work for it for 2 years. We did not cut him, he really did quit us

He was given every shot to start, we eventually settled for McNamee and that 270 batting average versus Blaylock sub-Mendoza production

[maroonmania]

Well, here is a chance for Alexander to be a hero.

[BuckyIsAB****]

bases loaded for luke alexander

here we go

[The Federalist Engineer]

Big moment for LA- bases loaded

[HoopsDawg]

Well, here is a chance for Alexander to be a hero.

Drew the walk.

[maroonmania]

Mangum up, bases still loaded.

[BuckyIsAB****]

biggest hit of alexanders career!

[BuckyIsAB****]

Mangum looks like hes swinging a garden hose

[maroonmania]

And apparently Mangum will still swing at anything even as a JR. Horrible plate discipline. Not sure why anyone ever throws him a strike.

[HoopsDawg]

Dude can't throw a strike and Mangum gets up and chases 2 out of the zone and K's. This is going to be a really, really ugly loss.

[BuckyIsAB****]

3 terrible swings and a K with bases loaded from our team leader

McNeese is like 1-6

[msstate7]

Luke has now been been on base 4 times in last 7 PAs with 2 doubles with 2 RBIs. The last game was unofficial, but the point remains. He is producing... his OBP is right at .350

[HoopsDawg]

3 terrible swings and a K with bases loaded from our team leader

McNeese is like 1-6

They lost 12-1 to Texas State. Texas State is also their only win, 1-0 barn burner. Dayum.

[maroonmania]

Seriously, our record could be really ugly after this coming weekend.

[BuckyIsAB****]

They lost 12-1 to Texas State. Texas State is also their only win, 1-0 barn burner. Dayum.

Crowds at the new dude gonna be slim

[HoopsDawg]

Luke has now been been on base 4 times in last 7 PAs with 2 doubles with 2 RBIs. The last game was unofficial, but the point remains. He is producing... his OBP is right at .350

It's really hard to single out anyone, it's been pretty bad across the board minus Mangum, Stovall, Hatcher, and Foscue.

[msstate7]

Seriously, our record could be really ugly after this coming weekend.

Pilk gonna get us a win Friday

[msstate7]

Last chance...

[Activated Alpha]

3 terrible swings and a K with bases loaded from our team leader

McNeese is like 1-6

I feel confident that we will lose every game this weekend.

[Homedawg]

It's really hard to single out anyone, it's been pretty bad across the board minus Mangum, Stovall, Hatcher, and Foscue.

Stovall has struggled thusfar minus a game really

[BuckyIsAB****]

Last chance...

Its over man.

I've learned too not get too high or too low with MState athletics. It can be a good week then a shitty one the next.

[Coach34]

Luke has now been been on base 4 times in last 7 PAs with 2 doubles with 2 RBIs. The last game was unofficial, but the point remains. He is producing... his OBP is right at .350

Whats his batting average?
how many K’s this year vs plate appearances?

Keep fighting that battle 7. He is a junior this year- you realize that right?

[I seen it dawg]

I left...score?

[msstate7]

Whats his batting average?
how many K’s this year vs plate appearances?

Keep fighting that battle 7. He is a junior this year- you realize that right?

OBP is much more important than BA

[Coach34]

OBP is much more important than BA

only cause it fits your argument. A double with the bases loaded would have been a helluva lot better than that damn walk.

[Homedawg]

Whats his batting average?
how many K’s this year vs plate appearances?

Keep fighting that battle 7. He is a junior this year- you realize that right?

He's never going to hit. Is what it is...

[HoopsDawg]

I left...score?

We lost 6-3.

[Bulldogg31]

This could be a long year.

[Coach34]

He's never going to hit. Is what it is...

then its time to go young and play for 2019...stop wasting time on a Jr who is a defensive sub we know cant hit

[msstate7]

only cause it fits your argument. A double with the bases loaded would have been a helluva lot better than that damn walk.

It was an rbi. He did his part

[msstate7]

Whats his batting average?
how many K’s this year vs plate appearances?

Keep fighting that battle 7. He is a junior this year- you realize that right?

If last game was official, his avg would be .273 with obp over .370. Unfortunate for him and state that fog cost us a win

[Political Hack]

then its time to go young and play for 2019...stop wasting time on a Jr who is a defensive sub we know cant hit

Yep. Mix it up. See who’s gonna play ball.

[Coach34]

It was an rbi. He did his part

we'll just disagree. Never in my life in 20 years of playing baseball did I think my job with the bases loaded was to draw a walk- except the 2 times it was intentional and I wasnt allowed to swing.

[bobcat91]

Gary Henderson's job interview is going swimmingly. We started a damn guy with a 30 era.

[msstate7]

we'll just disagree. Never in my life in 20 years of playing baseball did I think my job with the bases loaded was to draw a walk- except the 2 times it was intentional and I wasnt allowed to swing.

He kept the line going to our best hitter and became the winning run at 1b. How in the world is that not helping the team?

[I seen it dawg]

Offensively....Either our jr class is hot garbage or they are in a total funk. They need to wake the **** up. The sophomore class is non existent. We need to sit Belmont and play Allen Foscue full time. Let Jordan and Anderson rotate DH and an OF spot. The freshman class is the class of our program and it’s not close. Hatcher Allen And Foscue are way better hitters than Macnamee and Vansau at this point. Different caliber

[Ari Gold]

And apparently Mangum will still swing at anything even as a JR. Horrible plate discipline. Not sure why anyone ever throws him a strike.

And that?s why he went in round 30 of the mlb draft

[Ari Gold]

[QUOTE=msstate7;896815]He kept the line going to our best hitter and became the winning run at 1b. How in the world is that not helping the team?[/QUOT

Name one SEC school that would start Belmont at SS?

[maroonmania]

It was an rbi. He did his part

Yep, it was a lot better than striking out on 3 pitches out of the zone which is what we got from Mangum.

[msstate7]

[QUOTE=msstate7;896815]He kept the line going to our best hitter and became the winning run at 1b. How in the world is that not helping the team?[/QUOT

Name one SEC school that would start Belmont at SS?
Miss state

[Coach34]

If last game was official, his avg would be .273 with obp over .370.

If he could hit- it would help

[Coach34]

[QUOTE=Ari Gold;896819]
Miss state

We are literally the only one- he is the worst SS in the SEC

[maroonmania]

Kind of felt like Henderson took this game for granted tonight and started Liebelt while trying to save our better pitchers for the weekend. When you are 3-4 and as bad as we currently are offensively, you can't take anything for granted.

[msstate7]

If he could hit- it would help

I am not dumb. I know Alexander is not gonna be a .300 ba .400 obp guy, but he can be .260 ba .340 obp guy. That is valuable when you factor in his defense.

[Ari Gold]

[QUOTE=Ari Gold;896819]
Miss state

Exacatly. That’s why it’s time to move Stovall to SS or run another SS out there and see what he can do .

[Coach34]

but he can be .260 ba .340 obp guy. That is valuable when you factor in his defense.

Thats the thing- he is nothing special at SS- and Sweet 16 level teams dont have their SS hitting 9 hole very damn often. They are usually players. I think .260 is optimistic considering the talent level he is facing right now. SEC pitching is coming

[Coach34]

and he is hitting 9th- on a SHITTY hitting team

[Ari Gold]

Thats the thing- he is nothing special at SS- and Sweet 16 level teams dont have their SS hitting 9 hole very damn often. They are usually players. I think .260 is optimistic considering the talent level he is facing right now. SEC pitching is coming

That’s the one thing I most excited about Cann , he would have gotten us a MLB SS here sooner than later. A Bregman type one.

[BuckyIsAB****]

He kept the line going to our best hitter and became the winning run at 1b. How in the world is that not helping the team?

Not jumping on you but why are you hellbent to defend LA? Just curious?

[MaroonFlounder]

The product on the new Dude field will not be very good this year. 50 mil. The timing can’t be much worse.

[msstate7]

Not jumping on you but why are you hellbent to defend LA? Just curious?

I like him as a player, and find it ridiculous that most here think he is the reason we are 3-5

[msstate7]

That?s the one thing I most excited about Cann , he would have gotten us a MLB SS here sooner than later. A Bregman type one.

Bregman is not an mlb SS. Outstanding player, but not a SS. Cann did not get bregman either

[Ari Gold]

Bregman is not an mlb SS. Outstanding player, but not a SS. Cann did not get bregman either

He was at LSU and I’m just saying Cann was going to get us a big time SS I just used AB as an example.

[msstate7]

He was at LSU and I’m just saying Cann was going to get us a big time SS I just used AB as an example.
I would kill to have an AB type player

[Coach34]

I like him as a player, and find it ridiculous that most here think he is the reason we are 3-5

its ridiculous that as a Jr leader of our team he is 7/30 on the season and hitting .233 against alot of sub-par competition. 8 K's in 30 official AB's. Thats kinda high

[Ari Gold]

I like him as a player, and find it ridiculous that most here think he is the reason we are 3-5

No one has blamed him for our record. And u answered ur own question earlier. There are 13 other SS in this league better than him.
Team LA keeps telling everyone how good he is and give him time. And we all keep waiting for him to do something , anything and it hasn’t happened yet.

[confucius say]

Told y?all during opening weekend this team was not good and was not going to be good. Got called out for it. Doesn?t matter who is coaching. Upper classmen have an extremely low ceiling.

One day y?all are going to learn to listen to what Confucius say.

[Ari Gold]

Bottom line and will get off Belmont.
But if your the Miss State baseball program , you can not run out the worse or one of the worse SS in the SEC unless that kid is a freshman.

[Cooterpoot]

Our program is a damn mess. John Cohen better deal with it.

[Todd4State]

Bottom line and will get off Belmont.
But if your the Miss State baseball program , you can not run out the worse or one of the worse SS in the SEC unless that kid is a freshman.

I'm not going to get into the LA stuff- but the fact of the matter is we lost because we started a pitcher who has an ERA of over 30 and he get lit up again. And if we started Keegan James we have a better chance of winning the game. No matter what LA or anyone else did or didn't do at the plate.

This team is going to have issues hitting because of all of the freshmen- so I'm not going to sit here and say that offense isn't an issue. Because it is.

That said we do have some pitchers who have performed this year. We've got to throw those guys more and Leibelt and Neff a whole lot less. Especially with us lacking offense like we are. They've gotten their chances and they haven't performed and they need to sit until they figure it out. We need France to be in the rotation, Billingsley to go back into the bullpen, Keegan needs to be the midweek guy, Cole Gordon Blake Smith, Riley Self, and Denver McQuary need to be used the most. Pilkington and Small keep their spots in the rotation.

[msstate7]

its ridiculous that as a Jr leader of our team he is 7/30 on the season and hitting .233 against alot of sub-par competition. 8 K's in 30 official AB's. Thats kinda high

SSS, much? If he is still hitting that after 75 ABs, I will agree he needs to benched. To show you how SSS that is... if Monday night was an official game, Alexander would be at .272 avg with an obp right at .370

[confucius say]

I'm not going to get into the LA stuff- but the fact of the matter is we lost because we started a pitcher who has an ERA of over 30 and he get lit up again. And if we started Keegan James we have a better chance of winning the game. No matter what LA or anyone else did or didn't do at the plate.

This team is going to have issues hitting because of all of the freshmen- so I'm not going to sit here and say that offense isn't an issue. Because it is.

That said we do have some pitchers who have performed this year. We've got to throw those guys more and Leibelt and Neff a whole lot less. Especially with us lacking offense like we are. They've gotten their chances and they haven't performed and they need to sit until they figure it out. We need France to be in the rotation, Billingsley to go back into the bullpen, Keegan needs to be the midweek guy, Cole Gordon Blake Smith, Riley Self, and Denver McQuary need to be used the most. Pilkington and Small keep their spots in the rotation.

The reason this team is not going to hit is not the freshmen. It?s that the jr class is not good offensively. Mac, Vansau, LA, and to a lesser degree Stovall. Those guys have low ceilings.

[Coach34]

That Mingione recruiting rearing its ugly head

[HoopsDawg]

The reason this team is not going to hit is not the freshmen. It?s that the jr class is not good offensively. Mac, Vansau, LA, and to a lesser degree Stovall. Those guys have low ceilings.

And really there are no sophomores other than Skelton.

[maroonmania]

That Mingione recruiting rearing its ugly head

Well the guy most responsible for this mess is currently our athletic director.

[Todd4State]

The reason this team is not going to hit is not the freshmen. It?s that the jr class is not good offensively. Mac, Vansau, LA, and to a lesser degree Stovall. Those guys have low ceilings.

There's that too.

Anyway, my point remains that we have to win with pitching. That's where our talent is and we can't afford to throw very many people that have ERA's of 30+ and expect to win.

[Todd4State]

That Mingione recruiting rearing its ugly head

Coggin shouldn't get a total pass either. But totally agree on Mingione too.

[Todd4State]

Well the guy most responsible for this mess is currently our athletic director.

True. In hindsight I really wish we would have just gone with Henderson as an interim last year and done a proper search. I just feel like we cut a corner to a degree with hiring Cann.

[I seen it dawg]

Offensively....Either our jr class is hot garbage or they are in a total funk. They need to wake the **** up. The sophomore class is non existent. We need to sit Belmont and play Allen Foscue full time. Let Jordan and Anderson rotate DH and an OF spot. The freshman class is the class of our program and it?s not close. Hatcher Allen And Foscue are way better hitters than Macnamee and Vansau at this point. Different caliber


Thanks to a couple of you for reiterating exactly what i said...

[I seen it dawg]

Bench Belmont. Opens up a spot to put Allen who may be our best pure hitter. Then that opens the DH spot.

Use Jordan, Anderson, Macnamee, Vansau in the 2 OF spots and DH. One of the FR playing in one of those 4 spots at all times. See what shakes there. Hopefully it’s the 2 FR winning 2 of 3 spots and Mac and Vansau platoon.

Watch Westburg...if the OF/DH group above doesn’t produce move Allen to Lf, Stovall back to 2nd, and put Westburg at SS.

Mangum in CF, although it wouldn’t kill me to bench his ass at some point bc he gets himself out swinging at everything, Hatcher at 1b and Foscue at 3b should be everyday constants.

Let Gilbert and Skelton fight it out.

Oh and fire Poole as our ****ing 1b coach. He almost allowed Stovall to get back picked from CF on his single bc he didn’t say shit about the CF coming up and throwing behind him. If you’re gonna stand in the coaching box Tanner then ****ing do something while you’re there.

Time to go young already and it’s obvious.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Well the guy most responsible for this mess is currently our athletic director.

Who got the players to get us to back to back supers and a SEC title.

This team looks like it had mailed it in before the year started. Wouldnt surprise me with the shit Cann was pulling under our noses

[BuckyIsAB****]

Bench Belmont. Opens up a spot to put Allen who may be our best pure hitter. Then that opens the DH spot.

Use Jordan, Anderson, Macnamee, Vansau in the 2 OF spots and DH. One of the FR playing in one of those 4 spots at all times. See what shakes there. Hopefully it’s the 2 FR winning 2 of 3 spots and Mac and Vansau platoon.

Watch Westburg...if the OF/DH group above doesn’t produce move Allen to Lf, Stovall back to 2nd, and put Westburg at SS.

Mangum in CF, although it wouldn’t kill me to bench his ass at some point bc he gets himself out swinging at everything, Hatcher at 1b and Foscue at 3b should be everyday constants.

Let Gilbert and Skelton fight it out.

Oh and fire Poole as our ****ing 1b coach. He almost allowed Stovall to get back picked from CF on his single bc he didn’t say shit about the CF coming up and throwing behind him. If you’re gonna stand in the coaching box Tanner then ****ing do something while you’re there.

Time to go young already and it’s obvious.

Cole Gordon was the 1B coach the other night so its some kind of random deal

[Todd4State]

Who got the players to get us to back to back supers and a SEC title.

This team looks like it had mailed it in before the year started. Wouldnt surprise me with the shit Cann was pulling under our noses

Cohen started to get disinterested after 2013. The 2015 class was good on paper- but it got ravaged by MLB, Tommy John, and BS.

[preachermatt83]

Gary Henderson's job interview is going swimmingly. We started a damn guy with a 30 era.

That's was without a doubt the most unexplainable thing I've seen in a long time. It makes me not even want henderson as a pitching coach

[Dawg61]

Maybe if Cann hadn't been ***** whipped by a married woman living in Florida he would have spent the entire offseason getting this team ready to play ball. This team is a total shitshow and it's pretty much all on Cannizarro imo. What a disaster.

[msstate7]

Bench Belmont. Opens up a spot to put Allen who may be our best pure hitter. Then that opens the DH spot.

Use Jordan, Anderson, Macnamee, Vansau in the 2 OF spots and DH. One of the FR playing in one of those 4 spots at all times. See what shakes there. Hopefully it?s the 2 FR winning 2 of 3 spots and Mac and Vansau platoon.

Watch Westburg...if the OF/DH group above doesn?t produce move Allen to Lf, Stovall back to 2nd, and put Westburg at SS.

Mangum in CF, although it wouldn?t kill me to bench his ass at some point bc he gets himself out swinging at everything, Hatcher at 1b and Foscue at 3b should be everyday constants.

Let Gilbert and Skelton fight it out.

Oh and fire Poole as our ****ing 1b coach. He almost allowed Stovall to get back picked from CF on his single bc he didn?t say shit about the CF coming up and throwing behind him. If you?re gonna stand in the coaching box Tanner then ****ing do something while you?re there.

Time to go young already and it?s obvious.

Wanna bench Alexander (.233 ba, .343 obp, 8 k in 35 PAs) bc of avg and Ks, but play macnamee (.200 ba, .222 obp, 9 k in 26 PAs) and vansau (.222 ba, .300 obp, 9 k in 30 PAs). Lol @ benching mangum

[Cooterpoot]

Anderson and Westburg must really suck to not be able to play with what we’ve got out there. I can’t imagine they’re worse.

[I seen it dawg]

Wanna bench Alexander (.233 ba, .343 obp, 8 k in 35 PAs) bc of avg and Ks, but play macnamee (.200 ba, .222 obp, 9 k in 26 PAs) and vansau (.222 ba, .300 obp, 9 k in 30 PAs). Lol @ benching mangum

I want to bench Belmont bc he has proven he won’t hit. Vansau and Macnamee get a pass bc they hit at the end of last year so there is hope there. And even you arent stupid enough to think I meant bench Mangum permanently. Well then again...

[I seen it dawg]

Cole Gordon was the 1B coach the other night so its some kind of random deal

I know it is

[raymond21]

Believe it or not , doesn’t matter, but the ghosts of LFL will haunt this program as the goat did the Cubs

[msstate7]

I want to bench Belmont bc he has proven he won?t hit. Vansau and Macnamee get a pass bc they hit at the end of last year so there is hope there. And even you arent stupid enough to think I meant bench Mangum permanently. Well then again...

Alexander hit up until he got hit by pitch vs tenn last season. After that, nothing. Granted, that was sec play after his injury. Like I have said a few times, if Monday was an official game, Alexander is hitting .272 with an obp at .370, and tied for the team lead in doubles. Monday does not count for the stats, but it absolutely should count when contemplating benching a guy. If Alexander is not hitting after vandy series, bench him

[Coach34]

Alexander his .150 in SEC play last year. You can’t defend that

He isn’t hitting well enough now that we should waste every pre-conference AB on him but then throw the freshmen to the wolves of the SEC. Let them get some sweet stuff pre-conference to get their carrots wet before SEC play

[confucius say]

Thanks to a couple of you for reiterating exactly what i said...

Thanks for reiterating what I, and others, said 11 days ago with respect to our juniors and catcher spot when we were cautioned and told to pump the brakes.

[msstate7]

I think you guys are giving up on this team way too early. Our team is on mlb road trip to start this season. Mlb teams struggle on long trips... you know a bunch of college kids will too. I expect this team to play much better this weekend with the end to this trip in sight, and play pretty well next week at home

[basedog]

I want to bench Belmont bc he has proven he won’t hit. Vansau and Macnamee get a pass bc they hit at the end of last year so there is hope there. And even you arent stupid enough to think I meant bench Mangum permanently. Well then again...

I would say Belmont is the most over rated SS we have had, he is the worse overall SS we have had in a long long time.

Remember ISID, Belmontmsstate7 is his daddy** and before long he would be nominating for Msu HOF.

[TNDawg35]

Belmont can’t hit... period... when you are 3-5 against a bunch of bush league teams, you make a damn change. For god sakes!!! We lost to mother****** Texas A&MCC and McNeese State!!

[I seen it dawg]

I’m not giving up on them. I think we will be fine. The biggest key is not whether or not Belmont hits his 240 it’s how is our band of TJs going to heal and progress to where there is some consistency when they pitch. That will tell the tale on our season.

[Dawgface]

We're 3-5. I'm guessing no longer top 25. ;) Oh well......start over with a new coach next year. He will require 3 years to get his players in before he will be held accountable. At least we will have a pretty new ballpark to look at.

[confucius say]

I’m not giving up on them. I think we will be fine. The biggest key is not whether or not Belmont hits his 240 it’s how is our band of TJs going to heal and progress to where there is some consistency when they pitch. That will tell the tale on our season.

I agree with this. Bc offensively we will not be good.

But the problem is our pitching can?t just be good. It has to be dominant for us to compete for postseason.

[preachermatt83]

I think you guys are giving up on this team way too early. Our team is on mlb road trip to start this season. Mlb teams struggle on long trips... you know a bunch of college kids will too. I expect this team to play much better this weekend with the end to this trip in sight, and play pretty well next week at home

Lol, do u take meds for that Multiple Personality Disorder?

[msstate7]

Lol, do u take meds for that Multiple Personality Disorder?
What you mean? I have been very patient with this team. I knew replacing rooker was gonna be very tough, and this road trip to start the season is ridiculous. What did jim say, over 3000 miles of travel in this trip?

[Commercecomet24]

I’m not giving up on them. I think we will be fine. The biggest key is not whether or not Belmont hits his 240 it’s how is our band of TJs going to heal and progress to where there is some consistency when they pitch. That will tell the tale on our season.

Agreed. Spot on.

[Bigedawg]

What you mean? I have been very patient with this team. I knew replacing rooker was gonna be very tough, and this road trip to start the season is ridiculous. What did jim say, over 3000 miles of travel in this trip?

This team knew the entire preseason that they would face this road trip. To that end, all we heard is how hard they were training and creating a "Road Warrior" mentality. If this road trip has told us anything about the team, it is that they are not a mentally tough bunch. Lack of mental toughness is a recipe for disaster in the SEC. This is compounded by the fact that we are getting zero offense from our veteran players other than Mangum and Stovall. As for Mangum, he is what he is as the coaches like to say. He swings early in the count and lacks plate discipline. Same story as his first two years but I would most definitely take a few more just like him.

The pitching staff does not appear to be a strength as many anticipated. Pilk is a solid Friday night guy but his pitch count always gets elevated in the early innings thus preventing him from being the inning eater that we so desperately need. Self is the only guy out of the bullpen that you can really have total confidence in. Maybe Smith rounds into his form of two years ago. Gordon is Gordon. Flashes of brilliance followed by the inability to throw a strike. We need a big jump from two of the following 3: France, Small, James if we are going to scratch into a regional. Losing Price really, really hurts.

I feel good about the small sample size that we have seen from the young position players. If the season continues spiraling, I hope we see an influx of young players taking their lumps this season. We are almost to the point where we should know what we are getting with Mac, Vansua, Belmont, Poole, Skelton, etc. I don't feel like any of those 5 will hit over .250 in league play; so, we will continue to struggle offensively. I want to see more of Foscue, Anderson, Gilbert, Jordan, etc. Allen and Hatcher are already showing that they can swing it. The team has potential offensively but that potential lies solely in an influx of the young guys into the lineup.

Sorry for novel but feels good to get off of my chest!

[msstate7]

This team knew the entire preseason that they would face this road trip. To that end, all we heard is how hard they were training and creating a "Road Warrior" mentality. If this road trip has told us anything about the team, it is that they are not a mentally tough bunch. Lack of mental toughness is a recipe for disaster in the SEC. This is compounded by the fact that we are getting zero offense from our veteran players other than Mangum and Stovall. As for Mangum, he is what he is as the coaches like to say. He swings early in the count and lacks plate discipline. Same story as his first two years but I would most definitely take a few more just like him.

The pitching staff does not appear to be a strength as many anticipated. Pilk is a solid Friday night guy but his pitch count always gets elevated in the early innings thus preventing him from being the inning eater that we so desperately need. Self is the only guy out of the bullpen that you can really have total confidence in. Maybe Smith rounds into his form of two years ago. Gordon is Gordon. Flashes of brilliance followed by the inability to throw a strike. We need a big jump from two of the following 3: France, Small, James if we are going to scratch into a regional. Losing Price really, really hurts.

I feel good about the small sample size that we have seen from the young position players. If the season continues spiraling, I hope we see an influx of young players taking their lumps this season. We are almost to the point where we should know what we are getting with Mac, Vansua, Belmont, Poole, Skelton, etc. I don't feel like any of those 5 will hit over .250 in league play; so, we will continue to struggle offensively. I want to see more of Foscue, Anderson, Gilbert, Jordan, etc. Allen and Hatcher are already showing that they can swing it. The team has potential offensively but that potential lies solely in an influx of the young guys into the lineup.

Sorry for novel but feels good to get off of my chest!

To show you how ridiculous of a SSS we have seen, look at Luke Alexander last season through 8 games...

13/33 (.394)
4 2b
2 hr
7 walks

.394 BA
.500 OBP
.697 slugging

You think 8 games is a proper sample size?

[louisvilledawg]

I think you guys are giving up on this team way too early. Our team is on mlb road trip to start this season. Mlb teams struggle on long trips... you know a bunch of college kids will too. I expect this team to play much better this weekend with the end to this trip in sight, and play pretty well next week at home

Brah we lost to a team that was 1-6. Where the game was played should have nothing to do with it. That team was giving up 9 runs a game and we scratched out a measly 3.

[msstate7]

Brah we lost to a team that was 1-6. Where the game was played should have nothing to do with it. That team was giving up 9 runs a game and we scratched out a measly 3.

LSU lost to SE la last night after uconn took 2 of 3 vs se la this past weekend.

It is almost like everyone forgets that everyone in the sec has clunkers like this every year. Do you want more examples of this this season?

[confucius say]

LSU lost to SE la last night after uconn took 2 of 3 vs se la this past weekend.

It is almost like everyone forgets that everyone in the sec has clunkers like this every year. Do you want more examples of this this season?

LSU is not very good either. Down year for them.

[msstate7]

LSU is not very good either. Down year for them.

Ark lost to cal poly.

Last year we lost to Marist, morehead state, and FIU

[I seen it dawg]

Y’all are beating your head against the wall debating anything with 7

[I seen it dawg]

This team knew the entire preseason that they would face this road trip. To that end, all we heard is how hard they were training and creating a "Road Warrior" mentality. If this road trip has told us anything about the team, it is that they are not a mentally tough bunch. Lack of mental toughness is a recipe for disaster in the SEC. This is compounded by the fact that we are getting zero offense from our veteran players other than Mangum and Stovall. As for Mangum, he is what he is as the coaches like to say. He swings early in the count and lacks plate discipline. Same story as his first two years but I would most definitely take a few more just like him.

The pitching staff does not appear to be a strength as many anticipated. Pilk is a solid Friday night guy but his pitch count always gets elevated in the early innings thus preventing him from being the inning eater that we so desperately need. Self is the only guy out of the bullpen that you can really have total confidence in. Maybe Smith rounds into his form of two years ago. Gordon is Gordon. Flashes of brilliance followed by the inability to throw a strike. We need a big jump from two of the following 3: France, Small, James if we are going to scratch into a regional. Losing Price really, really hurts.

I feel good about the small sample size that we have seen from the young position players. If the season continues spiraling, I hope we see an influx of young players taking their lumps this season. We are almost to the point where we should know what we are getting with Mac, Vansua, Belmont, Poole, Skelton, etc. I don't feel like any of those 5 will hit over .250 in league play; so, we will continue to struggle offensively. I want to see more of Foscue, Anderson, Gilbert, Jordan, etc. Allen and Hatcher are already showing that they can swing it. The team has potential offensively but that potential lies solely in an influx of the young guys into the lineup.

Sorry for novel but feels good to get off of my chest!

Good post

[tcdog70]

i know this is a small sample size but so far this has been very disappointing on many levels. We just are not supposed to be playing this shitty. is it because we are on the road? is it because our super-star young head coach -shit the bed? . maybe we just are not very good? In my mind I'm thinking--we will shake this off and get back to winning but I'm not sure. maybe Hendo can get them to snap out of this funk.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Y'all have covered all I wanted to talk about with the hitters, so can I bitch about the pitching? I don't thin Henderson is a good pitching coach. I just don't. Go look at the team ERAs and draft picks off his Kentucky teams- he never finished in the top 5 in team ERA, and never really developed many stars. Now look at his years here.

last year he gets a pass; too many injuries as we all know.

But this year... Let's go through it: Pilk looks no better than he did at the start of last season, and worse than at the end of the year. Billingsley shows no improvement. Gordon shows no improvement, even though you'd think he'd make the biggest strides. Leibelt and Neff either A) are not improved from JuCo last year, or B) have regressed (there's no way we take them if they were this bad last year, right?). McQuary looks the exact same as last year. Small, James, Smith, etc can't be put on Henderson good or bad as how a player returns from an injury is always up in the air. I will say that non of them look good though. JP France we haven't seen much of, and supposedly he's hurt so we'll ignore him.

But we have had ZERO pitchers make notable jumps under Henderson. 0. And nobody really even looks good, even the newcomers. I wasn't sold on him when we hired him but figured I'd wait and see. Well, I've seen his pitchers last year, I've seen them this year, and none of the returners look improved in the slightest despite a whole offseason. Rant complete

[I seen it dawg]

Y'all have covered all I wanted to talk about with the hitters, so can I bitch about the pitching? I don't thin Henderson is a good pitching coach. I just don't. Go look at the team ERAs and draft picks off his Kentucky teams- he never finished in the top 5 in team ERA, and never really developed many stars. Now look at his years here.

last year he gets a pass; too many injuries as we all know.

But this year... Let's go through it: Pilk looks no better than he did at the start of last season, and worse than at the end of the year. Billingsley shows no improvement. Gordon shows no improvement, even though you'd think he'd make the biggest strides. Leibelt and Neff either A) are not improved from JuCo last year, or B) have regressed (there's no way we take them if they were this bad last year, right?). McQuary looks the exact same as last year. Small, James, Smith, etc can't be put on Henderson good or bad as how a player returns from an injury is always up in the air. I will say that non of them look good though. JP France we haven't seen much of, and supposedly he's hurt so we'll ignore him.

But we have had ZERO pitchers make notable jumps under Henderson. 0. And nobody really even looks good, even the newcomers. I wasn't sold on him when we hired him but figured I'd wait and see. Well, I've seen his pitchers last year, I've seen them this year, and none of the returners look improved in the slightest despite a whole offseason. Rant complete

I lean this way too but I’m still reserving judgement. Thoughtful post

[confucius say]

Ark lost to cal poly.

Last year we lost to Marist, morehead state, and FIU

Serious question, do you think we are good? A postseason team?

[msstate7]

Serious question, do you think we are good? A postseason team?

I think we can be a low 2 or 3-seed in some regional. Do I expect us to survive that regional? No