I'm Pretty Disgusted With the Entire Baseball Program

[Todd4State]

This for me as an alumni is probably the most embarrassed I have ever been at MSU baseball. It's second to Renardo fighting Elgin Bailey but at the same time it's a very distant second.

I am ashamed of what our baseball program has become. Now we have a coach that just got caught cheating on his wife and has been fired for it. Unfortunately, as much as I liked Cann this is the right decision. Had we kept Cann it would have hurt us in recruiting- more on that in a minute- but even worse than that I think it would have caused the players to lose respect for Cann and could have possibly made our well known off the field issues even worse. That's why Cohen had to fire him. And that's where we are right now.

I think Gary Henderson will probably do a good job for us. I'm not going to judge him one way or the other. Maybe this team will turn it around and use this to challenge themselves and they make another SR and we're all laughing about melting down USM weekend. And maybe not- maybe we go into a tailspin and it's a horrible season and it is what it is. Maybe it will be somewhere in the middle. I don't know. It doesn't really matter because our program is in desperate need of a reboot.

How did we get where we are now? I think ultimately we've been trying so hard to win a National Title that we've ended up cutting corners at times and sometimes it has worked out great and sometimes it has really blown up in our face. For example- Wes Johnson. I think we went too fast with his program and a lot of guys ended up getting hurt and Johnson was gone at the end of the year. It's still affecting us now. I think a lot of the JUCO recruiting has been cutting corners.

But at the end of this season we need to start completely over. And I'm not saying we should cut players. I'm saying we need to establish a new standard and if that means that we have to rebuild a year or two- so be it. That may be what is best for the program.

If I was Gary Henderson the FIRST thing I would do right now is start random drug tests every week. And if someone fails a test- they're gone. And it doesn't matter if it's Jake Mangum, Konnor Pilkington, or Will Clark. The suspensions aren't working. It's time to get that cleaned up before the new coach comes in.

Now, as far as the recruiting goes- it's past time to stop cutting corners and start going after players that:

1. Want to win a Championship at MSU. And are so focused on that they will do whatever it takes to improve their game that they will do anything to win that championship. It's not- "Well, I'm going pro after three years" or "I'm just here to smoke pot and get girls". Ultracompetitive players is what LSU has had in the past and why they have championships and why we have squat. I mean- they were willing to cut years off of their lifespan and shrink their balls to win championships in the 90's. Maybe we can draw the line there- but ultracompetitive nonetheless.

2. We need pitchers that attack the strike zone and light up radar guns. Don't let Wes Johnson scare you. Florida has the hardest throwing staff and a lot of people think Arkansas has the best team in the league and they throw the ball pretty hard I'm sure. We need elite pitchers to win a championship and we've shown that we can attract some of them. Let's get at least two if not three on our weekend staff and start dominating people. Add in some guys in the bullpen that are badass and attack people.

3. We need guys that can hit for power. We need to find those projectable power hitters like Rooker and Renfroe and coach them into 5 tool Triple Crown winners and get about four of them on the team instead of one Rooker and three JUCO guys hoping they don't get benched or think it's cool that the media likes their walk-up song.

4. Surround those power hitters with guys that hit for a high average and steal bases and create havoc on the bases.

5. Get catchers that can lead and defend and hit a little bit.

6. WE need to be known as the best fielding team in the league and set the standard there.

Also as far as recruiting we need someone that can identify high end guys that we can get to school. I'm fine with a few draft risks- but for every draft risk have a contingency plan in place. If we get surprised- then the contingency plan guy can be moved to another position or DH and then we're strong there. And we need to have enough balance in our classes that we don't have to start 4-5 freshmen every game. I mean a class essentially without high school pitchers? Really?

We have the resources, we have the money, we have everything else. But what we need is a coach that will set the standard that reaches our ceiling. And I don't know who that is. I suspect and hope we will have a completely new staff next year. Based on what Cohen has hired before as assistants, and Cann, and Moorhead I think he will do a great job.

Better days ahead! Hail State!

[mstatefan91]

Ok, I guess I'm missing it. What and who are the drug suspensions? Why aren't they off the team? Do our other sports operate this way in regard to recreational drugs? Cause I follow football and basketball more religiously than this and can't find anything like what the baseball guys are alleging is wrong with this baseball program... for 17's sake.. it's baseball.. beyond pain meds (injury) and alcohol (it's college, it's gonna happen), I don't get it and really???? that's just selfish at that point

[MarketingBully]

I think we will be fine. We will be able to hire a proven winner due to tradition and facilities. The Cann firing while unfortunate had to happen. I think there was also more to it then just the rumors we have heard on here. But I will say this. The best interim coach you could have IMO is a former SEC COY. MSU baseball will be fine but it is always unfortunate to lose a coach in this matter.

[msbulldog]

Sad Sad, really hate it for his family.

[Thick]

***** is undefeated!! It has started wars, wrecked empires, wrecked marriages, turned friends into foes, etc! It’s man’s kryptonite. It’s unstoppable....period!

[Cooterpoot]

Period?

[confucius say]

***** is undefeated!! It has started wars, wrecked empires, wrecked marriages, turned friends into foes, etc! It’s man’s kryptonite. It’s unstoppable....period!

This is just stupid. There are a lot of married men who have turned down getting laid by willing women.

[maroonwhitedawg3ddd]

Way to go Cohen!! That's how you take the term Shit canning to the IB level!!

[Matty Dispatch]

Todd I respect your opinion but I think you're taking it too far. Two weeks ago you said we were going to Omaha. Maybe there's a few bad apples that have a drug problem but we're not in need of a full reboot. Cann was a good coach and a good recruiter, and the guys on this team are good guys. This is a set back due to an off the field problem. If there is a drug culture on the team, then it's good Cann is leaving and we can hire a new coach who can flush it out quickly....or even I'm sure Henderson could flush it out - but I don't think there is a drug culture.

[raymond21]

This post is way off base

[Matty Dispatch]

One other thing is that Cann kicked Ryan Cyr off the team last year when we had no pitching left. He was obviously a cancer because we started winning after that. He also didn't play Elih Merrero all year who was really talented. By all accounts he's a disciplinarian. It seems hard to buy that the program is in disarray.

[BankerDog]

Yeah Elih wasn't a weed problem, however there are a few more who like the same thing.

[Political Hack]

Period?

I couldn’t help but laugh seeing this from “Cooterpoot.” How in the world did you come up with that name?

[SoylentGreen]

This for me as an alumni is probably the most embarrassed I have ever been at MSU baseball. It's second to Renardo fighting Elgin Bailey but at the same time it's a very distant second.

I am ashamed of what our baseball program has become. We have major drug problems- if I'm my math is right three to just drug suspensions alone since the end of last season and then another one on top of that which wasn't drug related. Now we have a coach that just got caught cheating on his wife and has been fired for it. Unfortunately, as much as I liked Cann this is the right decision. Had we kept Cann it would have hurt us in recruiting- more on that in a minute- but even worse than that I think it would have caused the players to lose respect for Cann and could have possibly made our well known off the field issues even worse. That's why Cohen had to fire him. And that's where we are right now.

I think Gary Henderson will probably do a good job for us. I'm not going to judge him one way or the other. Maybe this team will turn it around and use this to challenge themselves and they make another SR and we're all laughing about melting down USM weekend. And maybe not- maybe we go into a tailspin and it's a horrible season and it is what it is. Maybe it will be somewhere in the middle. I don't know. It doesn't really matter because our program is in desperate need of a reboot.

How did we get where we are now? I think ultimately we've been trying so hard to win a National Title that we've ended up cutting corners at times and sometimes it has worked out great and sometimes it has really blown up in our face. For example- Wes Johnson. I think we went too fast with his program and a lot of guys ended up getting hurt and Johnson was gone at the end of the year. It's still affecting us now. I think a lot of the JUCO recruiting has been cutting corners.

But at the end of this season we need to start completely over. And I'm not saying we should cut players. I'm saying we need to establish a new standard and if that means that we have to rebuild a year or two- so be it. That may be what is best for the program.

If I was Gary Henderson the FIRST thing I would do right now is start random drug tests every week. And if someone fails a test- they're gone. And it doesn't matter if it's Jake Mangum, Konnor Pilkington, or Will Clark. The suspensions aren't working. It's time to get that cleaned up before the new coach comes in.

Now, as far as the recruiting goes- it's past time to stop cutting corners and start going after players that:

1. Want to win a Championship at MSU. And are so focused on that they will do whatever it takes to improve their game that they will do anything to win that championship. It's not- "Well, I'm going pro after three years" or "I'm just here to smoke pot and get girls". Ultracompetitive players is what LSU has had in the past and why they have championships and why we have squat. I mean- they were willing to cut years off of their lifespan and shrink their balls to win championships in the 90's. Maybe we can draw the line there- but ultracompetitive nonetheless.

2. We need pitchers that attack the strike zone and light up radar guns. Don't let Wes Johnson scare you. Florida has the hardest throwing staff and a lot of people think Arkansas has the best team in the league and they throw the ball pretty hard I'm sure. We need elite pitchers to win a championship and we've shown that we can attract some of them. Let's get at least two if not three on our weekend staff and start dominating people. Add in some guys in the bullpen that are badass and attack people.

3. We need guys that can hit for power. We need to find those projectable power hitters like Rooker and Renfroe and coach them into 5 tool Triple Crown winners and get about four of them on the team instead of one Rooker and three JUCO guys hoping they don't get benched or think it's cool that the media likes their walk-up song.

4. Surround those power hitters with guys that hit for a high average and steal bases and create havoc on the bases.

5. Get catchers that can lead and defend and hit a little bit.

6. WE need to be known as the best fielding team in the league and set the standard there.

Also as far as recruiting we need someone that can identify high end guys that we can get to school. I'm fine with a few draft risks- but for every draft risk have a contingency plan in place. If we get surprised- then the contingency plan guy can be moved to another position or DH and then we're strong there. And we need to have enough balance in our classes that we don't have to start 4-5 freshmen every game. I mean a class essentially without high school pitchers? Really?

We have the resources, we have the money, we have everything else. But what we need is a coach that will set the standard that reaches our ceiling. And I don't know who that is. I suspect and hope we will have a completely new staff next year. Based on what Cohen has hired before as assistants, and Cann, and Moorhead I think he will do a great job.

Better days ahead! Hail State!

So you are obviously not happy with the baseball program regardless of Little Cann’s involvement!

[DogsofAnarchy]

This post is obviously from someone who is panic stricken over a coaching change. Dude, if ALL the players are dope heads as you make it seem, then you need to go hang out with them and chill out. Our program is not in disarray. Our program is going to be fine, we won 40 games last year. Back off the ledge brother. Easy, easy....don’t slip....easy, easy...

[Bulldogg31]

Are you talking about a weed problem? If so I don't think you're going to like the next couple of decades.

If you think you're going eliminate weed from sports say goodbye to the NFL, NBA, PGA tour, probably pro curling, etc. It's not going anywhere and frankly shouldn't.

If you're referring to a more serious drug problem then yes, the young people involved in that need to get themselves straightened out before that goes bad. Much more at risk there than baseball careers.

[ShotgunDawg]

Great post Todd, Other than me believing that Wes Johnson may be about the best thing to happen in MSU over the past 5 years, I agree with everything you've said.

[Coach34]

This is just stupid. There are a lot of married men who have turned down getting laid by willing women.

not when they looked like her. That number is wayyyyy lower

[RougeDawg]

Nothing is wrong with our program per se. what we are seeing is a microcosm of society as a whole, coupled with a coach who wasn?t/isn?t all there mentally.

As far as the drug problem, it?s probably the result of society giving athletes a pass. These guys have been put on pedestals their entire life and think they are untouchable. We create them and then cannot figure out why they act in the ways they do.

The program will be fine. We shouldn?t have an issue finding a replacement. I don?t see the people issues clearing up any time soon. Just have to recruit character guys, who are quality coachable kids.

[confucius say]

not when they looked like her. That number is wayyyyy lower

She ain?t that hot. A solid 7 at best.

[Todd4State]

Todd I respect your opinion but I think you're taking it too far. Two weeks ago you said we were going to Omaha. Maybe there's a few bad apples that have a drug problem but we're not in need of a full reboot. Cann was a good coach and a good recruiter, and the guys on this team are good guys. This is a set back due to an off the field problem. If there is a drug culture on the team, then it's good Cann is leaving and we can hire a new coach who can flush it out quickly....or even I'm sure Henderson could flush it out - but I don't think there is a drug culture.

Maybe I am taking it too far. But the drugs are just one part of the overall problem. We have had more players suspended for drugs or DUI than at any other time I can remember. That can not be denied. That doesn't include Elih Marrero's DUI arrest.

And to be clear- I'm not saying that any of our players should be kicked off the team. Just that they should if they fail a drug test. We can reset the standard that we need to with the players we have and I'm fine if we do that. In fact I'll go as far as to say that gutting the roster isn't the solution.

[Fader21]

She ain?t that hot. A solid 7 at best.

elbows to pointy,huh?

[MadDawg]

This for me as an alumni is probably the most embarrassed I have ever been at MSU baseball. It's second to Renardo fighting Elgin Bailey but at the same time it's a very distant second.

See this explains a lot. To me it's not even close. This is 100 times, no make that 1,000 times more embarrassing than a couple college kids getting in a fight. But maybe that's just me.

[louisvilledawg]

She ain?t that hot. A solid 7 at best.

Which is sadly what Cannizaro gave her.

[drunkernhelldawg]

This is just stupid. There are a lot of married men who have turned down getting laid by willing women.

Say it over and over so younger folks get it before they take down their families.

[Thick]

This is just stupid. There are a lot of married men who have turned down getting laid by willing women.

Good gosh man! It was a joke, drop the defenses dude, relax drink a beer, and quit taking yourself so seriously.

[Anonymous]

See this explains a lot. To me it's not even close. This is 100 times, no make that 1,000 times more embarrassing than a couple college kids getting in a fight. But maybe that's just me.

What, you think he's the first coach to have an affair? Or is it just embarrassing that we took action and removed him from the job?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but more than a small percentage of men are guilty of mowing the neighbors lawn. These guys work high stress, long hour jobs that take them away from their families. When you throw being rich and young into the mix, it's almost more a matter of who gets caught rather than who does it.

I'm not saying it's right, far from it. But acting like it's some rare occurrence that we are above is foolish. You think this would have ever become public knowledge had he been taking care of business? Because I've got more news for you, this didn't just pop up over the weekend.

[MadDawg]

What, you think he's the first coach to have an affair? Or is it just embarrassing that we took action and removed him from the job?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but more than a small percentage of men are guilty of mowing the neighbors lawn. These guys work high stress, long hour jobs that take them away from their families. When you throw being rich and young into the mix, it's almost more a matter of who gets caught rather than who does it.

I'm not saying it's right, far from it. But acting like it's some rare occurrence that we are above is foolish. You think this would have ever become public knowledge had he been taking care of business? Because I've got more news for you, this didn't just pop up over the weekend.

I think you are missing the comparison. I'm not saying a guy having an affair is some outlandish rare occurrence. I'm just saying it's more embarrassing than two college kids getting in a fight. And that's it. Don't read more into it than that. And the embarrassing part is having your coach, who everyone considered the golden boy, be fired one weekend into the season. And it will be talked about for the next 4 months.

[RAYn_Man]

You think this would have ever become public knowledge had he been taking care of business? Because I've got more news for you, this didn't just pop up over the weekend.

This. People have known for a while. But when it affects your ability to do your job, it becomes an issue.

[Anonymous]

I think you are missing the comparison. I'm not saying a guy having an affair is some outlandish rare occurrence. I'm just saying it's more embarrassing than two college kids getting in a fight. And that's it. Don't read more into it than that. And the embarrassing part is having your coach, who everyone considered the golden boy, be fired one weekend into the season. And it will be talked about for the next 4 months.

I think both lost control of their teams and they are equally bad looks from that perspective. The difference is this hasn't gone far enough for our players to be shaming the university on national TV. Right now it's contained to one coach's mistakes and that is all.

He's been here for a year, the damage is considerably less than your all time winningest coach running a program into a flaming mess. Obviously it would be better if this wasn't happening. But at least it's happening before long term damage is done, and the negative news is hung more on the individual than the school.

[MadDawg]

I think both lost control of their teams and they are equally bad looks from that perspective. The difference is this hasn't gone far enough for our players to be shaming the university on national TV. Right now it's contained to one coach's mistakes and that is all.

He's been here for a year, the damage is considerably less than your all time winningest coach running a program into a flaming mess. Obviously it would be better if this wasn't happening. But at least it's happening before long term damage is done, and the negative news is hung more on the individual than the school.

LMAO. This is about a golden boy coach with two kids and a pregnant wife getting fired for having an affair vs. two college kids getting in a fight. You can try all you want to make this about Stansbury or running the program in the ground, but you are failing. In the end, this embarrassing event will be talked about during every broadcast of our baseball games for the next 4 months. The fight was talked about for a couple of days. Next.

[Anonymous]

LMAO. This is about a golden boy coach with two kids and a pregnant wife getting fired for having an affair vs. two college kids getting in a fight. You can try all you want to make this about Stansbury or running the program in the ground, but you are failing. In the end, this embarrassing event will be talked about during every broadcast of our baseball games for the next 4 months. The fight was talked about for a couple of days. Next.



The fight is still all anyone outside the state thinks of when they hear MSU basketball. This will be talked about for the next few months (and truthfully they will only mention that he stepped down because the details are still technically private), then more or less disappear with time, because on a national scale it's an abrupt coaching change, no more and no less.

You're getting hung up on details, that are important and unfortunate, but will ultimately be forgotten or never known at all by anyone outside the fanbase. For reference, nobody remembers Richard Williams, and he took us to a Final 4, fewer know the specifics of why he resigned. Things like this happen a lot and are really only magnified by the people effected (that's us).

[drunkernhelldawg]

The fight is still all anyone outside the state thinks of when they hear MSU basketball. This will be talked about for the next few months then more or less disappear with time, because on a national scale it's an abrupt coaching change, no more and no less.

I haven't heard it mentioned in so long that I can't remember the last time I remembered it.

[Anonymous]

I haven't heard it mentioned in so long that I can't remember the last time I remembered it.

I was asked about it a few weeks ago. The guy literally knew nothing of our basketball program other than the fight and a huge bust who was supposed to be the next generation of ball player (didn't even know Sidney's name).

[Matty Dispatch]

LMAO. This is about a golden boy coach with two kids and a pregnant wife getting fired for having an affair vs. two college kids getting in a fight. You can try all you want to make this about Stansbury or running the program in the ground, but you are failing. In the end, this embarrassing event will be talked about during every broadcast of our baseball games for the next 4 months. The fight was talked about for a couple of days. Next.

You're comparing a fight broadcast on every single media outlet all night long vs. a head coach in a sport that no one outside of the Mississippi / Louisiana corridor gives two craps about. The most media attention this will get is 3 minutes on the Finebaum show.