Are we gonna have SB game thread?

[Bully13]

Ill start with a question if so. Were Fletcher's arms that big when he was at State?

[Quaoarsking]

Is Tom Brady too cool to be a captain or something?

[KOdawg1]

I just am genuinely uninterested this year. I mean, I'm watching and trying to get into it but not succeeding so far

[Coach34]

love the Eagles offense

[RocketDawg]

Foles is having a good first possession. I didn't realize his regular season stats were that bad. Couldn't get it in the endzone though.

[RougeDawg]

Eagles gonna win.

[RougeDawg]

love the Eagles offense

Gonna be similar to what we see in Davis Wade come September.

[Bully13]

Off topic: I was wondering if anybody remembers that fast assed white boy from stanford a few years back. If so, name and if he made it to the NFL. gracias.

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

He's with the Panthers

[Bully13]

He's with the Panthers

Name? And is he a player?

[Coach34]

Christian McCaffrey. He's solid but not an every down back due to size.

[Dawg61]

Christian McCaffrey. He's solid but not an every down back due to size.

Pretty sure McCaffrey shattered the all-time record for receptions by a rookie RB. He had better than just a solid season.

[Bully13]

Thanks. Damn, how did that guy hang on? Close to targeting.

[Coach34]

Thanks. Damn, how did that guy hang on? Close to targeting.

there is no targeting on a runner.

[RougeDawg]

Surprised we have an open super bowl thread. Everyone lacks reality or locks the thread. Y?all need midol? You disagreeing with reality?

[Coach34]

Surprised we have an open super bowl thread. Everyone lacks reality or locks the thread. Y?all need midol? You disagreeing with reality?

I think yours got moved to the political board- wasnt me. I deleted the Fletcher Cox thread because it was bullshit

[BeardoMSU]

Surprised we have an open super bowl thread. Everyone lacks reality or locks the thread. Y?all need midol? You disagreeing with reality?

There is a political board, dude. Use it.

[Dawg61]

Surprised we have an open super bowl thread. Everyone lacks reality or locks the thread. Y?all need midol? You disagreeing with reality?

Whatever you're drinking tonight is making you angry. Switch to Bud Light.

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[BeardoMSU]

Whatever you're drinking tonight is making you angry. Switch to Bud Light.

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Lol. That carbonated water flavored faintly with beer will have you pissing that entitlement out fa sho.

[Dawg61]

Nice trick play on 4th down by Eagles, that was sexy

[BeardoMSU]

Great 4th down call.

[msstate7]

Timberlake a Negan fan

[BeardoMSU]

Timberlake a Negan fan
Lol. Where's the bat?

[Bothrops]

How come in every SB halftime performance I feel like I'm watching one from 10 years ago?

[RocketDawg]

Can't say much positive about the halftime show ... except that Janet Jackson isn't there this time. That music is terrible.

[Bothrops]

Can't say much positive about the halftime show ... except that Janet Jackson isn't there this time. That music is terrible.

I've heard much worse though.

[BeardoMSU]

Can't say much positive about the halftime show ... except that Janet Jackson isn't there this time. That music is terrible.

Pretty cool homage to Prince, at least.

[parabrave]

Back to actual Football. Does anyone else think that Brady got hurt on the same play that brooks got hurt? He is really looking like a 40 year old throwing the ball.

[RocketDawg]

I've heard much worse though.

Yeah, like the one in Atlanta a few months back.

They had some good lighting effects tonight though. Was the Prince a hologram? Kinda looked like it. And the Pepsi thing on the field at the end was pretty impressive.

[starkvegasdawg]

Can't say much positive about the halftime show ... except that Janet Jackson isn't there this time. That music is terrible.

Was that supposed to be music. I thought they recorded two starving cats fighting over a chicken leg.

[RocketDawg]

Was that supposed to be music. I thought they recorded two starving cats fighting over a chicken leg.

There's a true generation gap. I can't see how anybody could possibly like that, but they do. Not a negative word on SPS ... they all liked it.

[RocketDawg]

Brady's not wasting any time moving down the field in the 2nd half. I think that's going to be the way the rest of the game goes.

[Coach34]

There's a true generation gap. I can't see how anybody could possibly like that, but they do. Not a negative word on SPS ... they all liked it.

The halftime shows for the NC game and now the SB have been awful

[Percho]

bad call on that TD

[Bully13]

This is an entertaining game.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Patriots will not go quietly into the night...like Bama.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

I think Al Michaels just ripped one on the air...

[Bully13]

I think Al Michaels just ripped one on the air...

So did I but I wasn't on air.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I am glad it isn't our guy COX doing the dirty dancing whatever the hell that was. So Ole Miss.

[Percho]

The Dirty Dancing was pretty good.

[BeardoMSU]

I am glad it isn't our guy COX doing the dirty dancing whatever the hell that was. So Ole Miss.

I thought it was funny.

[Lord McBuckethead]

It was funny, but of course it is the greatest player to ever play for UM.

[Coach34]

Eli dancing with men makes for a great commercial

[Percho]

I would give up a td the next play.

[msstate7]

If that is not a td, the nfl needs to change the rule

[starkvegasdawg]

If that is not a td, the nfl needs to change the rule

It has to be, but if I?m Philly I?d rather have first and goal on the one.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

If that is not a td, the nfl needs to change the rule

They need to change them anyways. He literally caught the ball at the 5 yard line and the rules are making it questionable if it was a catch because it came out in the endzone

[BeardoMSU]

They need to change them anyways. He literally caught the ball at the 5 yard line and the rules are making it questionable if it was a catch because it came out in the endzone

This.

[Sundawg1974]

This.

Why don’t they talk about the PI that wasn’t called on the extra point attempt

[BeardoMSU]

Awe....poor Tom

[RocketDawg]

Thought the game was going to end up almost as scripted ... Brady with over 2 minutes to get a TD ... then he fumbles the ball.

Philadelphia's going to go nuts. They'll probably burn the place down.

[Coach34]

Brady is now one of the biggest losers in SB history. He is no Joe Montana

[Johnson85]

They need to change them anyways. He literally caught the ball at the 5 yard line and the rules are making it questionable if it was a catch because it came out in the endzone

I just caught the tail end of the replay. What the hell was the controversy? Looked to pretty clearly be a catch.

[msstate7]

Brady is now one of the biggest losers in SB history. He is no Joe Montana

Should get ball back with little over min to go down 8. As a saints fan, it not over

[RocketDawg]

Should get ball back with little over min to go down 8. As a saints fan, it not over

As a Saints fan, it's not over even when time has expired.

[dawgday166]

Brady is now one of the biggest losers in SB history. He is no Joe Montana

No .. he ain't. Joe don't lose SBs. I'll take Joe any day.

[RocketDawg]

Almost a Saints repeat.

[msstate7]

No .. he ain't. Joe don't lose SBs. I'll take Joe any day.

He just has better stats, won same amount of SBs, and oh, he made 3 more. Brady is better than Montana. Who are the great WRs that have played the majority of their career with Brady?

[Coach34]

He just has better stats, won same amount of SBs, and oh, he made 3 more. Brady is better than Montana. Who are the great WRs that have played the majority of their career with Brady?

Matt Cassel never started a college game and would have won 3-4 SB's as the Patriot QB.

[dawgday166]

He just has better stats, won same amount of SBs, and oh, he made 3 more. Brady is better than Montana. Who are the great WRs that have played the majority of their career with Brady?

Still take Joe.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

He just has better stats, won same amount of SBs, and oh, he made 3 more. Brady is better than Montana. Who are the great WRs that have played the majority of their career with Brady?
Hey, lets not rustle the old timers now.

[msstate7]

Matt Cassel never started a college game and would have won 3-4 SB's as the Patriot QB.

You a clown. Cassell started a whole season in 2008 and did not make playoffs. Brady got hurt game 1

[Quaoarsking]

So if in those 3 years that Brady lost a Super Bowl, he'd actually lost in the AFC title game, would you be talking about how clutch he is at 5-0 in Super Bowls?

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

I just caught the tail end of the replay. What the hell was the controversy? Looked to pretty clearly be a catch.

They were debating whether he was still in the process of making the catch when he dove over the goal line and the ball popped out or if he made the catch and was then a ball carrier. One of the announcers trying to say he was still in the process of making the catch. Apparently you can catch it, run 5 yards and dive into the endzone and the rules still make it questionable if you ever actually caught the ball or not

[msstate7]

In the 16 seasons in which Brady played, 8 of them ended in the super bowl... 50%. Amazing when you consider another all-time great, Manning was in the AL pretty much the entire time with him

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

So if in those 3 years that Brady lost a Super Bowl, he'd actually lost in the AFC title game, would you be talking about how clutch he is at 5-0 in Super Bowls?

Yes, the best argument for Montana over Brady at this point is to hold it against Brady for actually making it to the Super Bowl.

[msstate7]

So if in those 3 years that Brady lost a Super Bowl, he'd actually lost in the AFC title game, would you be talking about how clutch he is at 5-0 in Super Bowls?

Wow, it is 5 wins... I was thinking 4 for some reason.

[Coach34]

You a clown. Cassell started a whole season in 2008 and did not make playoffs. Brady got hurt game 1

Cassel was 11-5 as the Patriots QB

[msstate7]

Cassel was 11-5 as the Patriots QB

No playoffs

[Coach34]

No playoffs

11-5 gets you in the playoffs 9/10 times

[msstate7]

11-5 gets you in the playoffs 9/10 times

Well that was the one. You said cassel would win Super Bowls, but he missed the playoffs in his shot

[Quaoarsking]

11-5 would be one of Brady's worst seasons -- literally he's gone 12-4 or better in 12 of his 16 seasons as a starter.

So there's no evidence that Cassel could have won any Super Bowls had he been New England's QB since 2001, much less 5, nor played in 8.

[msstate7]

Brady missed the playoffs 1 time in his career (2002)

[parabrave]

No .. he ain't. Joe don't lose SBs. I'll take Joe any day.

Joe had the greatest receiver in NFL history and John Taylor. Brady has 2 shrimps and one goofy tight end.

[msstate7]

Joe had the greatest receiver in NFL history and John Taylor. Brady has 2 shrimps and one goofy tight end.

Roger Craig was pretty good himself

[Dawg61]

Brady is 40 and just threw for 505 yards in the Super Bowl tonight. Not his fault his defense sucks and his best WR got knocked out with a concussion. Dude threw for 505 yards tonight at the age of 40!! GTFO of here saying Montana is better than him. What a ****ing joke. Some of y'all will never say Brady is GOAT no matter what cause you're a HATER. Period. Jealousy is never a good look.

[BeardoMSU]

Matt Cassel never started a college game and would have won 3-4 SB's as the Patriot QB.

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[Todd4State]

People have forgotten who Montana's WR's were for his first two Super Bowls- Dwight Clark and Freddie Soloman. A lot of people think that Montana and Rice came on at the same time and that's not true. Brady had a guy that just went into the HOF in Randy Moss yesterday, and I think Gronk is a HOF TE as well. Aaron Hernandez was a terrible human being- but he was also a really good TE/WR/H-Back and probably would have been a HOF had he stayed out of trouble. Troy Brown was a good WR. Wes Welker is one of the best slot WR's in NFL history. Montana only had Rice and Taylor for 1988 and 1989. He also didn't have Roger Craig in 1981 either.

Montana is better. And to me, it's like Hank Aaron being "better" than Babe Ruth...yeah- he hit more home runs but Ruth did it in 16 years while Aaron did it in 22. Montana made it to essentially 50% of the Super Bowls in his career from 1981-1990 because he missed a year or two with injuries. (Half of 1986 and all of 1991 and played one game in 1992.

Here's why Montana is better to me- he is way more mobile than Brady and a lot more clutch. He also was never accused of cheating. But I think if you put Brady in Montana's era...Brady would have gotten beaten up to. You put Joe into today's era with these RPO's and wide open spread offenses plus the fact that he's mobile and they protect QB's...there's no question in my mind Joe would be better.

[Todd4State]

Brady is 40 and just threw for 505 yards in the Super Bowl tonight. Not his fault his defense sucks and his best WR got knocked out with a concussion. Dude threw for 505 yards tonight at the age of 40!! GTFO of here saying Montana is better than him. What a ****ing joke. Some of y'all will never say Brady is GOAT no matter what cause you're a HATER. Period. Jealousy is never a good look.

Or maybe some people have an actual rational reason for it?

It's really hard to argue with 4-0 when you are 5-3 and losing to Eli Manning and the Eagles back up QB. Not to mention Brady is a lot closer to being 3-5 than Montana was to ever losing a game.

[Todd4State]

So if in those 3 years that Brady lost a Super Bowl, he'd actually lost in the AFC title game, would you be talking about how clutch he is at 5-0 in Super Bowls?

To be fair, yes. But he's not. That's the point.

[dawgday166]

Joe had the greatest receiver in NFL history and John Taylor. Brady has 2 shrimps and one goofy tight end.

Only for 2 SBs. Still take Joe. He did it at ND in college too. Came real close to doing it with KC.

[msstate7]

Or maybe some people have an actual rational reason for it?

It's really hard to argue with 4-0 when you are 5-3 and losing to Eli Manning and the Eagles back up QB. Not to mention Brady is a lot closer to being 3-5 than Montana was to ever losing a game.

The afc was horrible during Montana career. The afc won 1 super bowl during Montana career

[dawgday166]

The afc was horrible during Montana career. The afc won 1 super bowl during Montana career

Yea ... but the Giant and Bears weren't.

[Todd4State]

Only for 2 SBs. Still take Joe. He did it at ND in college too. Came real close to doing it with KC.

I agree. And I don't think it's "hate for Brady"- at least for me it isn't. I think it's a lot of people have forgotten just how good Joe Montana was. The guy pretty much took playing QB/football/and the West Coast Offense and made it into an art form almost. He changed the game. I think Brady is close- he's second for me- but it's just not quite at the level of Montana. Joe could make incredible plays running the ball and he could drill it into extremely tight windows. And he did it in a mostly base personnel two WR/one TE/two RB system. It would be absolutely scary how good he would be in a pass first spread system with RPO's built into it because of his mobility and decision making.

[Quaoarsking]

Or maybe some people have an actual rational reason for it?

It's really hard to argue with 4-0 when you are 5-3 and losing to Eli Manning and the Eagles back up QB. Not to mention Brady is a lot closer to being 3-5 than Montana was to ever losing a game.

Yeah, Brady should have tanked those 3 AFC title games, then he could be 5-0 and win your comparison.**

I'll take the guy who, in 16 seasons as a starter, made the playoffs 94% of the time, played in the AFC title game 75% of the time, played in the Super Bowl 50% of the time, and won the Super Bowl 31% of the time.

To be fair, Montana is great on those percentages too (82%, 55%, 36%, 36%). But I don't think Super Bowl won/loss record is a very good way to evaluate a team unless you also throw in years they missed the Super Bowl altogether.

ETA - Those Montana percentages are for his time on the 49ers only, not including 1979, 1991, or 1992. Add in the Chiefs and you get (84%, 54%, 31%, 31%). Brady's number's don't include 2000 or 2008.

[dawgday166]

I agree. And I don't think it's "hate for Brady"- at least for me it isn't. I think it's a lot of people have forgotten just how good Joe Montana was. The guy pretty much took playing QB/football/and the West Coast Offense and made it into an art form almost. He changed the game. I think Brady is close- he's second for me- but it's just not quite at the level of Montana. Joe could make incredible plays running the ball and he could drill it into extremely tight windows. And he did it in a mostly base personnel two WR/one TE/two RB system. It would be absolutely scary how good he would be in a pass first spread system with RPO's built into it because of his mobility and decision making.

Worked his way up from 7th on the depth chart at ND to do it.

[msstate7]

Only for 2 SBs. Still take Joe. He did it at ND in college too. Came real close to doing it with KC.

17 point loss in afc title game is not close to a super bowl win. Cowboys beat the bills by 17 too

[msstate7]

Yea ... but the Giant and Bears weren't.

Well you guys are using super bowl win % as factor of who was better. NFC in super bowl was a given...

[dawgday166]

17 point loss in afc title game is not close to a super bowl win. Cowboys beat the bills by 17 too

He got knocked out with a concussion. It's why he retired.

[msstate7]

He got knocked out with a concussion. It's why he retired.


He played the next year

[dawgday166]

He played the next year

You're right. But he did get knocked out with concussion. And he retired because of concussions.

[Todd4State]

Yea ... but the Giant and Bears weren't.

And the Redskins.

And those terrible AFC teams that Joe beat were led by: Ken Anderson (a borderline HOF QB who probably will get in one day), DAN MARINO during a season where he threw 50 TD passes, Boomer Esiason (the weakest of the group but it was his best year), and JOHN ELWAY.

I'm not sure if the AFC teams were really that bad or if the NFC teams were that elite.

And I don't recall any of those teams starting their back-up QB. Or Joe losing to Eli ****ing Manning. Kevin Fant has a better record against Eli than Brady. And then you have who? Jake Delhomme? Donovan McNabb was about Esiason level. I'll certainly give Brady credit for Kurt Warner, Matt Ryan, and Russell Wilson. And we'll see how Ryan and Wilson fare down the road- but that group is hardly Elway/Marino-esque.

[Todd4State]

Well you guys are using super bowl win % as factor of who was better. NFC in super bowl was a given...

How so? They both had to play the game. Any of those great NFC powers could have gotten upset- like Brady did THREE times.

[msstate7]

No he didn't

93 lost in afc championship game to bills
94 lost to dolphins in wildcard

http://www.nfl.com/player/joemontana/2502166/careerstats

[msstate7]

Just think if Montana had beaten the bills in 1993 and lost to the cowboys, he would not have been the GOAT*^

[dawgday166]

I agree. And I don't think it's "hate for Brady"- at least for me it isn't. I think it's a lot of people have forgotten just how good Joe Montana was. The guy pretty much took playing QB/football/and the West Coast Offense and made it into an art form almost. He changed the game. I think Brady is close- he's second for me- but it's just not quite at the level of Montana. Joe could make incredible plays running the ball and he could drill it into extremely tight windows. And he did it in a mostly base personnel two WR/one TE/two RB system. It would be absolutely scary how good he would be in a pass first spread system with RPO's built into it because of his mobility and decision making.

I agree. I'll take Joe any day.

[dawgday166]

Just think if Montana had beaten the bills in 1993 and lost to the cowboys, he would not have been the GOAT*^

Montana wasn't Kelly. He wouldn't have lost.

[Todd4State]

Just think if Montana had beaten the bills in 1993 and lost to the cowboys, he would not have been the GOAT*^

Well, it didn't happen that way. If if's and's or but's are candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

[msstate7]

Montana wasn't Kelly. He wouldn't have lost.
Yeah, he would. The cowboys would have beat the afc pro bowl team (kinda kidding, kinda not)

[dawgday166]

Yeah, he would. The cowboys would have beat the afc pro bowl team (kinda kidding, kinda not)

Cowboys were an average NFC champion at best.

[Todd4State]

Montana wasn't Kelly. He wouldn't have lost.

I was about to say- if Montana had taken the Chiefs to the Super Bowl I wouldn't have been shocked at all if he would have won. He beat the Super Bowl Champion 49ers in 1994 and Elway again with one of the greatest comebacks his last year.

It basically all comes down to era and how we think that a player would have done in a certain era vs. the other.

[dawgday166]

I was about to say- if Montana had taken the Chiefs to the Super Bowl I wouldn't have been shocked at all if he would have won. He beat the Super Bowl Champion 49ers in 1994 and Elway again with one of the greatest comebacks his last year.

It basically all comes down to era and how we think that a player would have done in a certain era vs. the other.

I'm with you. Brady ... he ok sorta.

[Dawg61]

Brady just won MVP at the age of 40. He hasn't retired. All you haters have a few more years of him playing peak football to enjoy. I know you will.

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[dawgday166]

Brady just won MVP at the age of 40. He hasn't retired. All you haters have a few more years of him playing peak football to enjoy. I know you will.

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Until we find out he's taking performance enhancers of some sort. Sorta like deflate gate. 49ers didn't do quite the cheating the Pats do.

[msstate7]

Cowboys were an average NFC champion at best.
Cowboys and 49ers were class of nfl in early 90s.

[msstate7]

Until we find out he's taking performance enhancers of some sort. Sorta like deflate gate. 49ers didn't do quite the cheating the Pats do.

Now Brady on PEDs... you strong with hate.

[dawgday166]

Now Brady on PEDs... you strong with hate.

Not sure about it. But everyone thought Bonds was performing miraculous feats too. He's 40. Takes a lot of hits and keeps on ticking. He must be watching that diet and exercise program exceptionally well ... which maybe he is.

[dawgday166]

Cowboys and 49ers were class of nfl in early 90s.

49er were so so. If Seifert brings Montana off bench to replace Young in Cowboys 1st NFC title game, Cowboys don't make the SB.

Young mucho over rated. Early on when Rice was covered, he'd pull it down and run. Same with Owens later one. Young couldn't get to his 3rd receiver.

[msstate7]

49er were so so. If Seifert brings Montana off bench to replace Young in Cowboys 1st NFC title game, Cowboys don't make the SB.

Young mucho over rated. Early on when Rice was covered, he'd pull it down and run. Same with Owens later one. Young couldn't get to his 3rd receiver.

Cowboys won by 17

[Dawg61]

Until we find out he's taking performance enhancers of some sort. Sorta like deflate gate. 49ers didn't do quite the cheating the Pats do.

A slightly less pressurized football isn't why the Colts got their asses handed to them by Brady 45-7. What a joke.

[Dawg61]

Not sure about it. But everyone thought Bonds was performing miraculous feats too. He's 40. Takes a lot of hits and keeps on ticking. He must be watching that diet and exercise program exceptionally well ... which maybe he is.

Brady is a fitness freak. There isn't a lack of articles or news coverage about it. Must be hard to dodge all the positive info on him so you can keep your hating alive.

[dawgday166]

Cowboys won by 17

Well then ... Seifert would have had to bring off bench with a little more than 2:00 to go then.

You think Montana couldn't master a big comeback. He did it a few times himself to. Once down 18 in 4th after being sacked 11 times.

[dawgday166]

Brady is a fitness freak. There isn't a lack of articles or news coverage about it. Must be hard to dodge all the positive info on him so you can keep your hating alive.

So was Bonds.

[msstate7]

Well then ... Seifert would have had to bring off bench with a little more than 2:00 to go then.

You think Montana couldn't master a big comeback. He did it a few times himself to. Once down 18 in 4th after being sacked 11 times.

Brady even topped that... down 25 in the super bowl last season haha

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

What I've gathered from this debate so far is that Montana is the best because in years he didn't win the Super Bowl, he would have won it if he hadn't lost before he got there.

[Todd4State]

Not sure about it. But everyone thought Bonds was performing miraculous feats too. He's 40. Takes a lot of hits and keeps on ticking. He must be watching that diet and exercise program exceptionally well ... which maybe he is.

He's definitely on his Brady-biotics that he was promoting on the Today show. Hey, maybe there's something to it although it does sounds kind of like a scam to me and Bellicheck ran off Brady's personal trainer.

[msstate7]

All this time, I have always liked urban more than saban, but conceded saban was better. I was wrong though... urban never lost in a natty, but saban has.