MSU vs fightin Ashley Judds game thread.

[starkvegasdawg]

Just keep it close. That?s as optimistic as I can get.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Just win baby. Got to get a W. Still tons to play for out there.

[MetEdDawg]

I’m seeing us as 7.5 point underdogs in Rupp Arena. I know this isn’t the Kentucky of normal years but it would be hard for me not to take Kentucky -7.5 in this.

But I also have a strict rule of never betting on MSU sports. Too much unpredictability from us in the two sports you really bet on.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Watching OU abuse this guy that can't hit a free throw is brutal

[ShotgunDawg]

Why do our girls play so fast on offense & the boys so slow?

[msstate7]

Good start. Please stay hot, Q

[Irondawg]

Love the effort and aggression from Holman early

[ShotgunDawg]

We make so many unforced errors.

[msstate7]

We make so many unforced errors.

Q and ado commit a ton. Both are good players, but really sloppy with the ball

[LC Dawg]

We?ve got some good energy so far. Keep playing good D and keep it close and give ourselves a chance at the end is what I would like to see.

[ShotgunDawg]

Q and ado commit a ton. Both are good players, but really sloppy with the ball

Yeah, get rid of the dribbling the ball off your shoe turnovers & this team is immediately better.

[msstate7]

3 subs in

[ShotgunDawg]

Cal, Cal, Cal, Cal, UK, Kentucky, blah blah blah

[msstate7]

Atta boy, datcher

[ShotgunDawg]

Our offensive rebounding is phenomenal right now.

Gotta convert that into points

[ShotgunDawg]

My goodness, are the announcers cheering for KY?

[msstate7]

Lead... Gone

[Irondawg]

So X gets called for that and Peters got a no call right before that on his drive

[ShotgunDawg]

Boy, KY getting some weak calls

[msstate7]

We (and the whole sec) knows Kentucky will get the calls. Just the way it is. We can play with this team though... really wish X would pass on the 3s

[trob115]

So X gets called for that and Peters got a no call right before that on his drive

Exactly

[ShotgunDawg]

Can we get a bank in 3 pointer?

A little luck would help

[ShotgunDawg]

We are killing them on the boards

[ShotgunDawg]

We take some of the most ridiculously horrible shots.

I just can't understand what is going through some of these guy's heads. Loser basketball

[msstate7]

Stop being lazy and settling for 3s

[Irondawg]

First 10 min is the best we have looked offensively all year

[ShotgunDawg]

The bald headed ref on the near side is an issue

[LC Dawg]

I can handle Kentucky getting the calls because you expect it but announcers lobbying for them is annoying.

[mparkerfd20]

Where the **** is the foul? Holy crap.

[ShotgunDawg]

Basketball IQ & ball handling are our biggest issues IMO.

We just appear to give up mentally on offensive possessions at times. Extremely odd & lazy

[HoopsDawg]

Our starting 5 together is +5. We have not played them together since the 16 minute mark!!!!!!

[Irondawg]

Knox has a nice looking shot. He is money so far

[BayouDawg]

Datcher has looked lost the last month or so

[Irondawg]

That last one on Datcher was a tough pass to handle. He has to just start reacting and not thinking all the time when he gets the ball down low

[msstate7]

OM up 10 over bama at half. Sexton is back... we got screwed not having to face him. That bama dominance in the 1st half in the paint would have never happened bc Sexton shoots

[msstate7]

We cannot defend them. They can get a layup anytime they are not lazy

[BayouDawg]

They?re killing us with that face cut and a few slip screens

[mparkerfd20]

These refs are horrible

[msstate7]

X just fouls and misses 3s

[HoopsDawg]

Why are we running plays for Carter?? He's shooting 20% from 3 in the SEC.

[Irondawg]

That was a crap call on Holman to give them more ft

[ShotgunDawg]

Boy, can't shoot again

[ShotgunDawg]

The KY guy just ran three steps before the layup

[msstate7]

Blow out coming...

[Irondawg]

Announcer just nailed it. We had great ball movement earlier and got good shots. We regressed the last 6 min and haven?t gotten good looks

[HoopsDawg]

-12 with combos other than starting 5 and still haven't played them together since 16 min mark. What are you doing Howland???

[LC Dawg]

WTF is Holman thinking? If we would just cut out some of the stupid shit we can hang with this team.

[BayouDawg]

Why can?t we do basic offensive things that 99% of college teams can? Things like move the ball, move without the ball, make open jump shots, catch passes. It?s realy amazing sometimes.

[CJDAWG85]

Too many quick shots... Holman thinks he’s Kevin Durant and Carter missing wide open 3’s

[msstate7]

Announcer just nailed it. We had great ball movement earlier and got good shots. We regressed the last 6 min and haven?t gotten good looks

Maybe the announcer can call a TO and explain that to our team. Not sure howland bothers

[Goldendawg]

Our substitution "patterns" are terrible and I still cannot tell who our best 5 or 6 players are and who should play together for significant minutes.

[msstate7]

LAunch a long 3

[msugolf]

Why can?t we do basic offensive things that 99% of college teams can? Things like move the ball, move without the ball, make open jump shots, catch passes. It?s realy amazing sometimes.

Well I could tell you why but I don't want to open that can of worms in this thread

[mparkerfd20]

We've given up and are now shooting ourselves out of this game

[BayouDawg]

Howland is baffled by zone defense

[msstate7]

Nick just cannot score

[Goldendawg]

Announcers so busy running their mouths about Ky, didn't notice the 3 by Peters

[BayouDawg]

We?ve cut it to 2 but we play so soft in the paint

[BayouDawg]

Stapleton made a jumper!

[msstate7]

Nice shot, X. Not really a fan of him shooting though

[Goldendawg]

How many FT's has Ky shot compared to us?

[BayouDawg]

Well I could tell you why but I don't want to open that can of worms in this thread

I think Im smellin what youre steppin in.

[msstate7]

Now I do like that shot by x. Get in the paint or close

[BayouDawg]

Really wright? You couldn?t be more wide open and you barely even draw iron.

[msstate7]

Really wright? You couldn?t be more wide open and you barely even draw iron.

He knows he cannot shoot... should have drove in a few steps then shot

[Goldendawg]

Have you guys enjoyed the play by play as provided by the UK Athletic Dept Announcers thus far?

[BayouDawg]

Is it just me? Or do our players seem to check out mentally for stretches of the game? Sometimes it looks like they?re just kinda there.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

If you think about it, that Wright corner 3 airball for the last shot of the half is a perfect metaphor for how this season has been.

[LC Dawg]

Why is Wright taking that shot at the end of the half? We can?t waste possessions and win.
Good half though. Keeping it close.

[msstate7]

Shot selection not been real good, but pleased with 1st half. Very much in the game. DO NOT let him go on a big spurt the first 5 mins of 2nd half

[BayouDawg]

He knows he cannot shoot... should have drove in a few steps then shot

I think you summed it up. Our shooters are mentally defeated. They?ve already missed the shot before they even shoot.

[HoopsDawg]

I wouldn't mind us running that play for Peters that we ran for Carter.

[Goldendawg]

If you think about it, that Wright corner 3 airball for the last shot of the half is a perfect metaphor for how this season has been.

I don't understand why he gets so many minutes.

[BayouDawg]

Shot selection not been real good, but pleased with 1st half. Very much in the game. DO NOT let him go on a big spurt the first 5 mins of 2nd half

Yes overall a solid half. The game will be decided in the first 5 minutes of the second half. Coming out of half time and laying a fantastic turd has been our calling card this year. Hopefully that trend does not continue.

[Ari Gold]

If someone just came on here without watching the game, they would think we are down double digits..
it’s un****ing believable .

[Goldendawg]

If someone just came on here without watching the game, they would think we are down double digits..
it’s un****ing believable .

If you were only listening from another room, you would think Ky is up 20 or more pts.

[Apoplectic]

Why is Wright taking that shot at the end of the half? We can?t waste possessions and win.
Good half though. Keeping it close.


Why in the hell is wright or Stapleton taking threes at all. They?re both garbage. They should be in there to guard and hack until someone catches a breather then back to the bench where they belong.

[msstate7]

Q with a quiet but strong 1st half...
9 pts 6 reb 3 assists

[Prentis]

My thoughts exactly...

[Goldendawg]

Why in the hell is wright or Stapleton taking threes at all. They?re both garbage. They should be in there to guard and hack until someone catches a breather then back to the bench where they belong.

We seem to be required to give minutes to about 9 or 10 different players each game, with no regard of five "starters" getting to play together for very long stretches.

[Prentis]

Damn.... What did they do to you?

[mstatefan91]

Is Joe Tessitore (sp?) the commentator? He is sucking some blue dick so far. Annoying to listen to.

[Dawg61]

This might be the most important half of our season coming up. Can we turn the corner and get this win propelling us to a decent season or do we tuck tail and stay in the cellar of the SEC another year with a loss here? We can beat this Kentucky team. They have never been more beatable than right now.

[BayouDawg]

We need more of peters driving to the lane and collapsing the defense. We can?t have those possessions where the ball never gets inside the 3 point line.

[RougeDawg]

Ado getting pushed around is hard to watch. He missed two point blank dunks because of his weak hands.

[BayouDawg]

Good shot Q!

[BayouDawg]

That?s what I wanna see! Start quick out of the Half!

[LC Dawg]

Lamar has only 3 points tonight and I?m loving his game so far.

[BayouDawg]

Lamar has only 3 points tonight and I?m loving his game so far.

This! Lamar is playing like a true court general tonight.

[BayouDawg]

Gotta block out fellas!

[BayouDawg]

There ya go head shot!

[BayouDawg]

Alright calm down peters

[BayouDawg]

2 bad 3s in a row. Gotta regain our composure

[LC Dawg]

Holman with the stupid foul and has to sit for a while with 3. Dammit.

[Lord McBuckethead]

WHAT IS WITH Q SHOOTING ONLY STEP BACK FADE AWAY 3s

[parabrave]

Coach you are going to have to start getting on the refs. Over half our fouls have been so ticky tacky they would never get called except in Tuscaloosa. Quit smiling at them and start chewing.

[msstate7]

Ado gotta pick it up

[BayouDawg]

Good run out! Ado has got to get stronger

[Goldendawg]

Ado is so weak inside on offense. Did anyone show him where the weight room was the year he sat out?

[RougeDawg]

Good run out! Ado has got to get stronger

He?s missed 3 for sure dunks with weak blocks from behind.

[Lord McBuckethead]

good move by q there.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Ado is so weak inside on offense. Did anyone show him where the weight room was the year he sat out?

Its more about attitude than pure strength there. I want someone that looks for the kill shot down low.
Sometimes it's better to just turn and try to bank it in than go up with a weak mentality.

[BayouDawg]

He?s missed 3 for sure dunks with weak blocks from behind.

Yep. Gotta go up and try to rip rim off. He?ll learn

[msstate7]

Why are our bigs so tentative at the basket?

[RougeDawg]

Why are our bigs so tentative at the basket?

Maybe because our HC is tentative and rarely shows fire. Still hanging tough though.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Really happy with overall play right now. Need to keep the fouls down so they do not get to the charity stripe at the end.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Washington just got bailed out there. Come on refs.

[LC Dawg]

I?ve never heard Rupp so unenthused.

[MCsMGs]

Why are our bigs so tentative at the basket?

They're doing the same thing Herard did...playing not to foul(which never works)

[Dawgcap]

There are gonna be good plays, bad plays, God’s and bad calls the rest of this game! Me personally, I’m gonna enjoy the effort!

[Lord McBuckethead]

big play on Q there. Good pass before that too.

[msstate7]

Both our 4s have 4 fouls

[LC Dawg]

****ing refs. You know it?s gonna happen. Dickheads.

[Dawg61]

Carter is like 1 for his last 30 3's

[RougeDawg]

How are these refs getting away with this? Every 50/50 goes against us.

Q just got raped and no call. Holman gets to the ball first and gets called for one.

[Lord McBuckethead]

holman got hosed there too. and that is 6

[msstate7]

11:40 to go and we have to play feazell. Not good

[HoopsDawg]

Wow, I know we have foul trouble but tough spot for Feazell to be in the game.

[Lord McBuckethead]

q was fouled there too.

[Apoplectic]

I?ve never seen a player more clueless on the floor than feezell. Please tell me he?s not a scholarship player?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Feazell was just thrown to the ground right after Holman's foul. No foul called. Damn I hate the officiating in basketball.

[BayouDawg]

We can win this game if we clean a few things up offensively and turn up the defensive intensity.

[Dawg61]

Feazell & Datcher are going to have to grow up if we aren't going to be shit this year. Thanks Herard

[Apoplectic]

holman got hosed there too. and that is 6

He?s been undisciplined and out of control all game. Un17nbelievable from a jr player in a winnable game.

[msstate7]

If howland has a zone, maybe we should use it and go small here

[LC Dawg]

I?ve never seen a player more clueless on the floor than feezell. Please tell me he?s not a scholarship player?

He?s a scholarship player who should be redshirting.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Feezell will surprise you at least. What I want to know is what happened to these all world HS players when they step on the college floor. They have been balling forever and now they cannot even catch the ball.

[msstate7]

Nice lineup, howland lol

[Dawg61]

I?ve never seen a player more clueless on the floor than feezell. Please tell me he?s not a scholarship player?

This is why you don't play just 7 dudes all year.

[BayouDawg]

These fouls are beyond ridiculous

[Lord McBuckethead]

also, they should show Laura Rutledge every time she talks on air.

[HoopsDawg]

What the hell is this lineup????

[Apoplectic]

Games like this are causing my ironclad howland support to start showing some cracks. Kentucky sucks and even with this garbage bench we should be winning.

[LC Dawg]

We currently have one scorer on the court.

[BayouDawg]

Defeating a zone 101:
Get the ball to the elbow or short corner or dribble penetration. It?s not rocket surgery

[msstate7]

What the hell is this lineup????

Howland got tired of waiting for our 5-min drought, so he forced the issue

[HoopsDawg]

Damn Howland.

[HaggardDawg]

This lineup is shitayyy. Poor peters

[msstate7]

Have you guys ever taken something from a toddler? That is how the Kentucky defenders handle ado

[ShotgunDawg]

We just can't make shots. It's that simple

This team takes 3 & makes none

[Lord McBuckethead]

why is anyone shooting a three other than Q. I want Q to step into a 3 ball for once.

[Dawg61]

Joe Tessitore can eat a bag of dicks

[Goldendawg]

3 FOR 21 ON 3'S, but we keep shooting. SOS virtually every game.

[BayouDawg]

it?d be nice if we miraculously developed some mental toughness in the next 5 minutes

[DudyDawg]

I?d be lying if I said I have watched every game this year, but from what I?ve seen, our zone offense is junior varsity level at best.

[Dawgology]

Can’t win at Kentucky and play against the refs. It’s blatant. And these announcers are getting excited for the post game Kentucky circle-jerk. Ugh... oh well

[BayouDawg]

This is frustrating

[msstate7]

Howland gave the game away by putting in an up 30 lineup with 11 mins to go. We had a lead and have struggled ever since. Nice job, Ben... you suck

[Apoplectic]

Can’t win at Kentucky and play against the refs. It’s blatant. And these announcers are getting excited for the post game Kentucky circle-jerk. Ugh... oh well

Oh good lawd you?re kidding right. This team is dog shit! No discipline no heart no leadership

[BayouDawg]

Good job nick

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

I'm full circle to how I felt 2 weeks ago: if we shot 3 pointers "just" badly rather than abysmally we'd be above average. I don't understand why we continue to shoot them.

[LC Dawg]

When the crowd gets into it the refs are even less likely to call a foul on Kentucky.

[BayouDawg]

We?ve got em right where we want em**

[Goldendawg]

Oh good lawd you?re kidding right. This team is dog shit! No discipline no heart no leadership

When you are 3 of 22 from three in what was a close game, you won't beat anyone and we have seen this numerous times this year.

[BayouDawg]

If we were just batting at the Mendoza line from 3 we?d be winning

[Goldendawg]

Very nice brick by x.

[DudyDawg]

?They?re on the ropes? and ?this might get sewn up real quick? in an 8 point game with 6 to go is a bit ridiculous from these announcers.

[msstate7]

**** this team

[BayouDawg]

We atleast played fairly solid both halves.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

The real question is if Kentucky will hit double digits in fouls for the whole game before it ends. We would get called for at least 10 fouls in a game even if we actively tried to not foul the whole game.

[Apoplectic]

Very nice brick by x.

Maybe one more moultrie knee and he?ll be gone for good

[Percho]

Washington has more points on free throws than we have shot free throws.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Gilcrest just took 3 hard steps on that layup they are talking up.

[Dawg61]

Why use our last timeout 1 second before the 4 minute mark?

[KOdawg1]

lol I hate this team. They keep you interested only to let you down. Every. single. time

[Goldendawg]

I have lost count of how few of how very many 3's we have missed, but we keep shooting them. No discipline or accountability on this team at all.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Very nice brick by x.

Brick? That dude missed so poorly he didn't even hit rim.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I have lost count of how few of how very many 3's we have missed, but we keep shooting them. No discipline or accountability on this team at all.

Maybe Howland should tell them to put a little loft on their threes for a change.

[msstate7]

Out the TO, x takes a 3. Howland is a clown

[Goldendawg]

We atleast played fairly solid both halves.

Does that include our great shooting % on threes?**

[KOdawg1]

Maybe Howland should tell them to put a little loft on their threes for a change.

or not to shoot them at all

[Lord McBuckethead]

That one had a little arc on it.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Lol foul on X while standing still

[LC Dawg]

Announcers praising Kentucky for not giving up second chance points this half when that is obviously a credit to the refs for calling ticky tack shit on our 4s.

[msstate7]

They want it more. That rebound proved it. We have a team full of guys that expect to lose, and they never fail finding a way to do it

[Goldendawg]

Maybe Howland should tell them to put a little loft on their threes for a change.

Maybe he should sit some of the worst offenders down and try to hit some 2 point baskets.

[starkvegasdawg]

Does that include our great shooting % on threes?**

5-28

[Doggie_Style]

They want it more. That rebound proved it. We have a team full of guys that expect to lose, and they never fail finding a way to do it

We just don?t have the talent to compete with decent teams on the road

[msugolf]

Good gosh just bench Tyson already. 1 for 6,476 on 3s and still feels the need to jack it up. Send his ass to the swac where he belongs

[Cloak]

State basketball is so frustrating. We've been so bad for so long, it'll be fun when we are relevant again.

[LC Dawg]

If they had a camera under the announcers table it would be x-rated.

[RougeDawg]

21 fouls to 11?????????????????????

[Lord McBuckethead]

and that is it. our big guys need to learn how to create some space if they need 1.5 seconds to catch it.
4-26 from 3 or something. wow. Everyone needs to work on setting screens and shooting off of a screen.
Other than that, not sure what else is possible to work on. every scorer work on getting to the lane?
We seem really ill prepared for pretty much any type of defensive change.
If I were the other coach, I would only run zone on us for 40 minutes. Save the fouls. and when we miss our 10th 3 in a row, we commit stupid fouls.

[BayouDawg]

I believe this teams wants to win. Everybody wants to win though. This team isn?t willing to do what it takes to win though. They?re not willing to do the little things it takes to win like moving the ball, making the extra pass, looking for the best shot and blocking out. This team is perfectly content with lazily passing the ball around the 3 point line and throwing up lazy jumpers. This team isn?t willing to work for the best shot possible. They?re perfectly happy to settle for bad 3s and not blocking out on defense because that?s he easy thing to do.

[msstate7]

We just don?t have the talent to compete with decent teams on the road

We are competing despite our coach letting us keep doing the same stupid shit over and over again that cost us games. Howland deserves a ton of criticism. Stop this f?n 3 shooting show... sit them if they keep it up. Make. This. Team. Drive. The. F?n. Ball. And start practicing facing a zone

[Bass Chaser]

21 fouls to 11?????????????????????

What do you expect when we take 2x as many 3 pointers?

[Irondawg]

Second half we fell in love with the long 3 again and KY took it to the rim and got ft

[Lord McBuckethead]

well, they ran zone the whole second half and we didn't try to get it down low. Instead we shot 14% from three.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Announcers praising Kentucky for not giving up second chance points this half when that is obviously a credit to the refs for calling ticky tack shit on our 4s.

^^^^^This^^^^ Cal works the Refs and gets the calls.....

[HoopsDawg]

We were +6 with our starting 5 tonight. They played together 8 minutes. W..T...F.

[Apoplectic]

Stans created a dumpster fire and he deserved to be fired but he won at places like Kent with less talent than this team.

[Goldendawg]

We just don?t have the talent to compete with decent teams on the road

We won't beat a bad team shooting 5 of 28 on 3's. What's Carter's stat line alone and why is he allowed to stay on the court or given such a red light to shoot, shoot, whoot?

[RougeDawg]

I believe this teams wants to win. Everybody wants to win though. This team isn?t willing to do what it takes to win though. They?re not willing to do the little things it takes to win like moving the ball, making the extra pass, looking for the best shot and blocking out. This team is perfectly content with lazily passing the ball around the 3 point line and throwing up lazy jumpers. This team isn?t willing to work for the best shot possible. They?re perfectly happy to settle for bad 3s and not blocking out on defense because that?s he easy thing to do.

Difficult to win when the referees take out your best big man with 4 questionable fouls.

And Ado has hands weaker than a 18 month old baby. Holy shit, how does a man that big get pushed around and get the ball ripped away like he does.

[msstate7]

We were +6 with our starting 5 tonight. They played together 8 minutes. W..T...F.

Howland is a clown that lets the team do whatever the frick they want

[Coach34]

Best we have played in awhile. Just got to make some 3's. This team has a chance to build from here

[BayouDawg]

Difficult to win when the referees take out your best big man with 4 questionable fouls.

And Ado has hands weaker than a 18 month old baby. Holy shit, how does a man that big get pushed around and get the ball ripped away like he does.

Sure there were some bad calls. The refs don?t make us shoot lazy jumpers and not box out though. That?s laziness mental and physical.

[msstate7]

Best we have played in awhile. Just got to make some 3's. This team has a chance to build from here

The 3s are not happening. We are 19 games into the schedule... we cannot shoot, but no one has bothered to tell the team

[Goldendawg]

21 fouls to 11?????????????????????

Not gonna draw many fouls putting up 28 3's and hitting about 4.

[msstate7]

Not gonna draw many fouls putting up 28 3's and hitting about 4.

Yep. Hell, one of the fouls was shooting a 3

[tcdog70]

Gilcrest just took 3 hard steps on that layup they are talking up.

They said it was a thing of beauty. Plant that front foot. right and then take 2 more

[Coach34]

The 3s are not happening. We are 19 games into the schedule... we cannot shoot, but no one has bothered to tell the team

We have no post game- so the we are going to keep pumping 3's. Ado got his shit swatted 5-6 times in the paint tonight. No need to keep doing that

[MarketingBully]

We have no post game- so the we are going to keep pumping 3's. Ado got his shit swatted 5-6 times in the paint tonight. No need to keep doing that

He got fouled I don’t know about ten times tonight with no call...

[msstate7]

We have no post game- so the we are going to keep pumping 3's. Ado got his shit swatted 5-6 times in the paint tonight. No need to keep doing that

Q could not be stopped driving the ball. Wait, yet he could by his team mates jacking 3s

[BayouDawg]

Best we have played in awhile. Just got to make some 3's. This team has a chance to build from here

While I do think we played well at times tonight, we had too many possions where the ball never got inside the 3 point line. That?s just not willing to work and look for the best shot. I support this team and hope they can build from here. They?ve got to learn to work as a team for the best shot.

[BuckyIsAB****]

They shot damn near 30 FTs and we shot below 10.


Same song different verse. Yawn

[Goldendawg]

We were +6 with our starting 5 tonight. They played together 8 minutes. W..T...F.

Agree, give the "starters" 8 minutes together at the start of the game and make sure about 5 others get their guaranteed minutes asap for their participation trophy.

[Dawgcap]

I think we got beat by a better, deeper team at home coming off a 2 game losing streak

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Stans created a dumpster fire and he deserved to be fired but he won at places like Kent with less talent than this team.
Stans had 1 win in 7 games at Uk.... Won against a Billy Gillespie coached team that finished 8-8 in SEC the year Gillespie was fired

[msstate7]

They shot damn near 30 FTs and we shot below 10.


Same song different verse. Yawn

Vs ark, we had 40 to their 12. We drove the ball in that game and did not in this one.

[MarketingBully]

I think we got beat by a better, deeper team at home coming off a 2 game losing streak

That pretty much sums it up. Playing Datcher/Feazell any important minutes will kill us. We have a lot coming in next year to help fix this issue but for now if Holman/Stapleton get in foul trouble at the same time this team is toast.

[BuckyIsAB****]

There is no discipline there is no culture. This is why nobody is going to the games. This is why we blow leads, this is why we look good for a stretch then go to shit. There is no accountability.

Its like watching the same shitty movie over and over. We'll get beat by a random mid major that wants it more and has a plan in the NIT (if we make it) and the excuse makers will call it a good season.

[Coach34]

He got fouled I don?t know about ten times tonight with no call...

He didnt get fouled- he is ****ing soft

[Goldendawg]

"Just another bad night shooting 3's". Maybe we should try some set plays/screens/pick&rolls/driving, etc and try to make more 2's.

[MarketingBully]

How the hell is our team supposed to get better if Howland doesn’t even play our five best on the court for longer then 8 minutes? We only had 10 turnovers the whole game but it really comes down to one thing 5-27 from three and I guarantee half of those were jacked up shots with no ball movement. We played 34 solid minutes tonight and the last six were just abysmal. Just have to keep working....

[HoopsDawg]

The 3s are not happening. We are 19 games into the schedule... we cannot shoot, but no one has bothered to tell the team

What's disheartening is that we don't have much perimeter help coming in. We desperately need a Daryl Wilson-Tim Bowers type 2 guard. Hell, I would take a Reggie Delk.

[Goldendawg]

How the hell is our team supposed to get better if Howland doesn’t even play our five best on the court for longer then 8 minutes? We only had 10 turnovers the whole game but it really comes down to one thing 5-27 from three and I guarantee half of those were jacked up shots with no ball movement. We played 34 solid minutes tonight and the last six were just abysmal. Just have to keep working....

Agree, maybe he's afraid someone will get their feelings hurt if not given enough minutes asap in the game. He sure pulls some of the starters very quickly in many games.

[BayouDawg]

What's disheartening is that we don't have much perimeter help coming in. We desperately need a Daryl Wilson-Tim Bowers type 2 guard. Hell, I would take a Reggie Delk.

Hell I?d take a Tyson Cunningham. He at least made some shots and looked like he wanted to be on the court.

[tcdog70]

Q was fouled many times with no call. They bumped Him off the ball. The elbowed Him when they ran by Him. They had to do something to slow Him down and the shitty Refs helped them. We played pretty good until Tyson shot us out of the game. At that point our guys got desperate. Someone has to teach Ado how to catch and shoot with authority. Holman got in foul trouble and was Caper the ghost in the 2nd half. Please try Singleton, he can shoot. What does Tyson bring to the table at this point? And X fouls too much and shoots 3s like he is blind. Oh well, you know what the Barber says ---NEXT!

[MarketingBully]

Hell I?d take a Tyson Cunningham. He at least made some shots and looked like he wanted to be on the court.

DJ Stewart is a 45% 3 point shooter who is 6’6” and has length and can shoot up to 26 feet...

[MarketingBully]

What's disheartening is that we don't have much perimeter help coming in. We desperately need a Daryl Wilson-Tim Bowers type 2 guard. Hell, I would take a Reggie Delk.

Meant to respond to this one. But DJ Stewart is an elite shooter.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Its the refs fault!!!

We should chant this at games we say it so much. WE TRASH BIG FELLAS

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

There is no discipline there is no culture. This is why nobody is going to the games. This is why we blow leads, this is why we look good for a stretch then go to shit. There is no accountability.

Its like watching the same shitty movie over and over. We'll get beat by a random mid major that wants it more and has a plan in the NIT (if we make it) and the excuse makers will call it a good season.

What do you propose we do? If the optics around our program were bad for firing Stansbury and led to the Rick Ray hire, what would they be for firing a very well respected coach who?s pulling in top 15 classes (deservedly ranked that high or not) 3 years into rebuilding an absolute dumpster fire? We?re not some undoubtedly attractive program that can guaranteed go pluck a mid-major up and comer like some of y?all seem to think we are. We?re a program that?s historically pretty damn average with 3 ~5 year stretches of being good. Not great, just good. We?re a program with a 10,000 seat gym that hasn?t even been halfway full for a men?s game in what?s fastly approaching a decade.

Howland undoubtedly has some glaring problems, but I don?t see a viable alternative that has much of a better shot at bringing success than he does.

So what?s your solution? Based on what you?ve posted tonight, your bar seems to be that 11 point losses in Rupp are shitty losses, and that a trip to the NIT is unacceptable 3 years into rebuilding a program that was beyond a dumpster fire when he arrived.

ETA: anyone else that feels the same way this guy does feel free to chime in. I?m genuinely interested in where you folks think we should be as a program at the moment and who we should be bringing in to take us there.

[BuckyIsAB****]

What do you propose we do? If the optics around our program were bad for firing Stansbury and led to the Rick Ray hire, what would they be for firing a very well respected coach who’s pulling in top 15 classes (deservedly ranked that high or not) 3 years into rebuilding an absolute dumpster fire? We’re not some undoubtedly attractive program that can guaranteed go pluck a mid-major up and comer like some of y’all seem to think we are. We’re a program that’s historically pretty damn average with 3 ~5 year stretches of being good. Not great, just good. We’re a program with a 10,000 seat gym that hasn’t even been halfway full for a men’s game in what’s fastly approaching a decade.

Howland undoubtedly has some glaring problems, but I don’t see a viable alternative that has much of a better shot at bringing success than he does.

So what’s your solution? Based on what you’ve posted tonight, your bar seems to be that 11 point losses in Rupp are shitty losses and a trip to the NIT is unacceptable 3 years into rebuilding a program that was beyond a dumpster fire when he arrived.

Im saying that doing the same thing over and over is the defintion of insanity.

That is how we play. We play and lose the same way over and over. Regardless of who we play.

[louisvilledawg]

Meant to respond to this one. But DJ Stewart is an elite shooter.

I hope you're right. I always thought of DJ as just an athletic guard that is good around the rim (I haven't watched him play, just seen highlights.)

I hope he's as aggressive at the rim next year as he is in high school. In the videos I've seen, he doesn't look to lay it up off the glass, he looks to embarrass you and your whole family line by way of dunk.

[DudyDawg]

I don?t know a single time last night that we ran a set against the zone. Zone sets are generally more fluid, but Jesus Christ how many times can you watch the ball be passed around the arc before you call a man set with a ball screen. Good lord. We did well getting it into the short corner some against the 2-3 but didn?t do anything with it when we did. Run a man set. Force the players to screen and move, even if just once, to keep the d honest. For all of the improvements in talent (ie not running out guys like Colin Borchert), Howland has not impressed in-game.

[HoopsDawg]

DJ Stewart is a 45% 3 point shooter who is 6?6? and has length and can shoot up to 26 feet...

Where are you getting those stats? He's shooting 30% from 3.

[msugolf]

Where are you getting those stats? He's shooting 30% from 3.

I've watched DJ play. He's not a 3 pt specialist like some are saying. Go read his scouting reports by non-MSU people and it'll tell you the same. He's super aggressive and crafty but still extremely raw. And he isn't strong on the defensive end right now. Not a difference maker in major college basketball next year.