Saban pulling all the tricks possible

[bulldawg28]

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2018/1/19/16911424/patrick-surtain-recruit-dad-alabama-coach





I find it ironic the dad telling Saban being hired wouldn't guarantee his son coming. Of course after that he didn't get the job.

[confucius say]

Isn?t there an ncaa rule on this now? Or does that just apply to recruits hs coach and not his family?

Oh, and saban use to be thought as of as a disciplinarian and above all the fray. He?s just like the rest of them though.

[msstate7]

Me thinks urban and smart starting to scare saban that his recruiting dynasty starting to crumble. Georgia has the lead, and that gap looks to widen. Ohio state leads the country in avg recruiting ranking for the 2nd straight year... over 94 again. 94 is very impressive... no one has got that mark in a while (if ever); 2nd straight year for urban. I quit looking at 2009

[Dawgtini]

Isn?t there an ncaa rule on this now? Or does that just apply to recruits hs coach and not his family?

Oh, and saban use to be thought as of as a disciplinarian and above all the fray. He?s just like the rest of them though.
They discuss the ncaa rule in the article and how it has no impact for on-field coach hires.

[ATTILLA THE DOG]

Isn?t there an ncaa rule on this now? Or does that just apply to recruits hs coach and not his family?

Oh, and saban use to be thought as of as a disciplinarian and above all the fray. He?s just like the rest of them though.

nothing matters at bama except winning,get caught with drugs guns whatever,just win the game.Frick bama

[RougeDawg]

Saban knew exactly what he was doing and it?s obvious.

Losing to auburn, barely beating Georgia, and needing 3 defensive breakdowns to leave strarkville with a W have Saban realizing his once large gap, has essentially been eliminated.

I think it?s because of the 25 signee rule. Since that has been implemented the Gap has closed. Can?t remember when but I posted about this during the season. The gist of the post was about how many of those 26-30 signees would?ve started and benefitted teams like State. Instead they signed with Bama, never cracked the 3 deep and were processed. In contrast, look how much better we have recruited with this new rule in place. People only look at Bama but multiply that 5 additional signees by every team that recruits above us and that ends up being a ton of talented players available now that previously wouldn?t have signed with us.

This is how the Vaught?s and Bryant?s were so successful. This and Allowing booster money for scholarships. OM and Bama has the poster money to sign the best 8-10 players at every position and just keep those players away from other programs. They cannot do that now and the 25 limit really prevents the hoarding.

[maroonmania]

Saban knew exactly what he was doing and it?s obvious.

Losing to auburn, barely beating Georgia, and needing 3 defensive breakdowns to leave strarkville with a W have Saban realizing his once large gap, has essentially been eliminated.

I think it?s because of the 25 signee rule. Since that has been implemented the Gap has closed. Can?t remember when but I posted about this during the season. The gist of the post was about how many of those 26-30 signees would?ve started and benefitted teams like State. Instead they signed with Bama, never cracked the 3 deep and were processed. In contrast, look how much better we have recruited with this new rule in place. People only look at Bama but multiply that 5 additional signees by every team that recruits above us and that ends up being a ton of talented players available now that previously wouldn?t have signed with us.

This is how the Vaught?s and Bryant?s were so successful. This and Allowing booster money for scholarships. OM and Bama has the poster money to sign the best 8-10 players at every position and just keep those players away from other programs. They cannot do that now and the 25 limit really prevents the hoarding.

To me this was the most undeserved championship Saban has ever won. Without an SEC official apparently purposely allowing a Bama WR to voluntarily run 2 out of bounds to catch a TD pass Bama doesn't make it out of Starkville with a win to even make the playoffs. And then all the blown calls that went their way against Georgia in the championship game made the whole thing a farce in my view. AL would have never even made it to overtime in that game without a LOT of officiating help.

[Todd4State]

Saban knew exactly what he was doing and it?s obvious.

Losing to auburn, barely beating Georgia, and needing 3 defensive breakdowns to leave strarkville with a W have Saban realizing his once large gap, has essentially been eliminated.

I think it?s because of the 25 signee rule. Since that has been implemented the Gap has closed. Can?t remember when but I posted about this during the season. The gist of the post was about how many of those 26-30 signees would?ve started and benefitted teams like State. Instead they signed with Bama, never cracked the 3 deep and were processed. In contrast, look how much better we have recruited with this new rule in place. People only look at Bama but multiply that 5 additional signees by every team that recruits above us and that ends up being a ton of talented players available now that previously wouldn?t have signed with us.

This is how the Vaught?s and Bryant?s were so successful. This and Allowing booster money for scholarships. OM and Bama has the poster money to sign the best 8-10 players at every position and just keep those players away from other programs. They cannot do that now and the 25 limit really prevents the hoarding.

I think it's coaches telling recruits that Saban won't be there much longer.

[TUSK]

Wow. Where to begin....?

[Op4isabitch]

Wow. Where to begin....?

A good place to start is the MSU game! The one that Bama should have lost no questions asked, EXCEPT for an obvious and blatant bad call. If the call is made correctly MSU wins that game and Bama never makes it to the National Title.

[Maroonthirteen]

Wow. Where to begin....?

I would take an undeserved NC any day. A not give two damns.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Wow. Where to begin....?

1941 for starters

[Jack Lambert]

Now we know what Saban and Freeze talked about during their meeting. Who knew Saban would ask Freeze about any idea he could use to get the kid to commit.

[TUSK]

For my 2nd post in this thread: I (prematurely) nominate it for a “best of”/sticky....

A lot of potential, here...

[PassInterference]

Saban knew exactly what he was doing and it?s obvious.

Losing to auburn, barely beating Georgia, and needing 3 defensive breakdowns to leave strarkville with a W have Saban realizing his once large gap, has essentially been eliminated.



You forgot also needing the refs to allow Ridley to run his routes out of bounds.

[maroonmania]

Wow. Where to begin....?

How about here

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/1/8/16866514/georgia-alabama-referees-missed-calls-national-championship-facemask

I haven't seen that many obvious black and white blown calls go MSU's way in my lifetime much less in one game of one season for a championship. But I will say for Bama that, just like in the MSU game earlier this year, if the refs keep them in the game long enough they know how to make the plays in the end to win because they've been there enough to absolutely know how to do that.

[bamadog]

How about here

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/1/8/16866514/georgia-alabama-referees-missed-calls-national-championship-facemask

I haven't seen that many obvious black and white blown calls go MSU's way in my lifetime much less in one game of one season for a championship. But I will say for Bama that, just like in the MSU game earlier this year, if the refs keep them in the game long enough they know how to make the plays in the end to win because they've been there enough to absolutely know how to do that.

Come on guys, whining is for losers

If anything this was bama?s most deserved NC because of all of the injuries and adversary they over came. Bad calls are apart of the game - The coaches on the coaches version of the NC game said that in championship games the refs usually swallow their whistle and had no problem with how the game was called. And Saban isn?t scared of anyone.

[maroonmania]

Come on guys, whining is for losers

If anything this was bama?s most deserved NC because of all of the injuries and adversary they over came. Bad calls are apart of the game - The coaches on the coaches version of the NC game said that in championship games the refs usually swallow their whistle and had no problem with how the game was called. And Saban isn?t scared of anyone.

And of course this is the typical type response expected anytime officiating is brought up as an issue even though, when obvious calls are missed, it can have a bigger impact on a competitive game than just about anything else happening on the field. You can call it whining, I say its calling a spade a spade. And I've seen so much of it go against MSU over the years when playing the so called SEC 'power' programs that no, when its obvious, I am no longer just going to let it go and not say anything about it. When an official drops his hat because a WR voluntarily runs 2 yards out of bounds, but then after the result of the play is that same WR catching a 70 yard TD pass he decides to just let it go, that is biased officiating, not just incompetent officiating. Would have been a much better look if he could have just said "I didn't see it". Bama just happened to be the recipient of a lot of blown obvious calls this year that allowed them to win multiple close games, that's not whining, that's just fact.

[TUSK]

I'm confused as to what "trick" was in play here... is the inference that Saban wanted to hire the father of a stud DB in order to gain the commitment of said stud DB?

[Token Bammer]

I'm confused as to what "trick" was in play here... is the inference that Saban wanted to hire the father of a stud DB in order to gain the commitment of said stud DB?

I like where this is going. I'm just gonna sit back and listen.

[TUSK]

I like where this is going. I'm just gonna sit back and listen.

Dude, find your own pier, I'm werkin', here...

https://media1.fdncms.com/charleston/imager/reels-at-the-ready-on-folly-beach-fishing-pier/u/magnum/4630992/fishingmag.jpg

[Token Bammer]

I'm confused as to what "trick" was in play here... is the inference that Saban wanted to hire the father of a stud DB in order to gain the commitment of said stud DB?

Bueller?

[KB21]

What's funny is that Saban traded Pat Surtain when he became the Dolphins head coach. Traded him to Kansas City for a 2nd round pick, and then used that pick on Iowa DE Matt Roth.

[Token Bammer]

What's funny is that Saban traded Pat Surtain when he became the Dolphins head coach. Traded him to Kansas City for a 2nd round pick, and then used that pick on Iowa DE Matt Roth.

He had a heck of a defense at Miami. Had Saban had his own personnel wishes come true, the Dolphins would have signed Drew Brees instead of Donte Culpepper. The organization wouldn't sign off on it because of team doctors concern over what I believe was his neck (if memory serves me correct). Had he signed Brees, he may have never left the NFL, at least not so soon, and BAMA would have likely never signed him. I'm glad it worked out the way it did.

[TUSK]

He had a heck of a defense at Miami. Had Saban had his own personnel wishes come true, the Dolphins would have signed Drew Brees instead of Donte Culpepper. The organization wouldn't sign off on it because of team doctors concern over his shoulder. Had he signed Brees, he may have never left the NFL, at least not so soon, and BAMA would have likely never signed him. I'm glad it worked out the way it did.

FIFY

additionally, had Tebow gone to Bammer, similar arguments could be made...

[Apoplectic]

Wow. Where to begin....?

Stingray to the rescue. Getem boiii!!! Rohllll taaaaahde!

[TUSK]

Stingray to the rescue. Getem boiii!!! Rohllll taaaaahde!

I find you amusing.... +1 (You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Apoplectic again.)

If you only knew ....

[Coach34]

My only question is why didnt we hire Surtain? We had a perfect chance to bring him home with the coaching change.

[bulldawg28]

My only question is why didnt we hire Surtain? We had a perfect chance to bring him home with the coaching change.

Coach Mo said No

[msstate7]

My only question is why didnt we hire Surtain? We had a perfect chance to bring him home with the coaching change.

When you consider we are 1 truly lock down corner from being a playoff contender, this is a good question

[LockeDawg]

My only question is why didnt we hire Surtain? We had a perfect chance to bring him home with the coaching change.

Excellent question Coach!

[KB21]

My only question is why didnt we hire Surtain? We had a perfect chance to bring him home with the coaching change.

Oddly enough, Surtain replaced Terrell Buckley in the Dolphins starting line up during his second season in the NFL.