UCF Claims National Championship

[TheRef]

So UCF has announced today that they are officially declaring themselves the National Champions and will hang a banner in their stadium for it.

[Dallas_Dawg]

Georgia or Alabama would beat them by 5 TDs if they were in Playoff. Clemson and Oklahoma would too for that matter.

[Liverpooldawg]

So UCF has announced today that they are officially declaring themselves the National Champions and will hang a banner in their stadium for it.

Bless their hearts.

[West Tn Dawg]

Are they related to the Rebels? That is such an OM thing!

[msudawglb]

So UCF has announced today that they are officially declaring themselves the National Champions and will hang a banner in their stadium for it.

Kind of reminds me of the saying, "if a tree falls and there's no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?". They can hang their banner, but after Frost is gone and they go back to mediocrity, who will ever see this make believe banner? It won't be in the record books so only the alumni and current students will know of it.

[Percho]

How would all of you feel, if you were UCF?

[Todd4State]

How would all of you feel, if you were UCF?

I'd feel great because my team went undefeated but I wouldn't want them to hang a banner proclaiming a National Championship.

Hang a banner that says undefeated season.

[Fader21]

I think any team that goes undefeated in college football should be allowed to be in the playoffs. Especially when when one of the teams that got in wasn?t their conference champion or even went to the game.

[MetEdDawg]

I feel bad for UCF honestly. Do they deserve a shot? Yes. If we had multiple undefeated teams every year it's a different story. But there is usually a maximum of 1 undefeated team in all of FBS per year and some years none. It's not easy, no matter who you play, to go undefeated.

Only way a team like UCF gets in is to go undefeated, play a couple P5 teams that are middle of the road and win (or get lucky in scheduling because we all know big time teams don't like to schedule these kinds of teams. Go look at Boise State's P5 opponents during the regular season), and be able to maintain success for more than 2 years because a flash in the pan at the G5 level will not get you in. Have to start higher and be on the radar for a long period of time.

[RocketDawg]

How would all of you feel, if you were UCF?

I don't know. Tulane finished the season undefeated some years ago and wound up ranked 11th by the AP. Their schedule was similar to UCF's. UCF only played one P5 team this year in the regular season, and that was lowly Maryland. Beef up the OOC by playing Notre Dame, Alabama, Ohio State, or maybe just all P5 teams almost regardless of "toughness" and they might get some recognition. They're obviously pretty good since they beat Auburn, but they're not No. 1 good.

[Mutt the Hoople]

Back to back National Championships, baby!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MetEdDawg]

I don't know. Tulane finished the season undefeated some years ago and wound up ranked 11th by the AP. Their schedule was similar to UCF's. UCF only played one P5 team this year in the regular season, and that was lowly Maryland. Beef up the OOC by playing Notre Dame, Alabama, Ohio State, or maybe just all P5 teams almost regardless of "toughness" and they might get some recognition. They're obviously pretty good since they beat Auburn, but they're not No. 1 good.

Well in their defense they did have Georgia Tech scheduled but it got hurricaned out and never made up. So they at least tried to schedule a couple of middle of the road P5 teams to bolster the resume.

[Johnson85]

How would all of you feel, if you were UCF?

I would be pissed that we had a good team and didn't schedule in a way that would give us a chance, but I'd also understand that playing a weak schedule is the smarter, higher percentage play.

[Johnson85]

I think any team that goes undefeated in college football should be allowed to be in the playoffs. Especially when when one of the teams that got in wasn?t their conference champion or even went to the game.

You can't do this, as then every G5 team that thinks they will be good will be looking to make their schedule even weaker rather than trying to schedule up. If you want to win a national championship, you have to play a big boy schedule. With most of the schedule taken up by conference games, that means a G5 team is going to have to step out there and schedule a couple of good games.

[Percho]

Do you think Eddie Robinsom ever thought, he had a NC team? I wonder how many he thought he had?

Does the best team always win the NC?

If you wand a NC, have a NC playoff?

IMO in reality there really isn't a true NC in any year.

[TUSK]

I think it's great...

In fact, while they're at it, I think they oughta go a step further and hang up an SECW #4 Banner next to it.

[fishwater99]

Georgia or Alabama would beat them by 5 TDs if they were in Playoff. Clemson and Oklahoma would too for that matter.

They would probably lose, but not by 5 TD's..

[MedDawg]

So UCF has announced today that they are officially declaring themselves the National Champions and will hang a banner in their stadium for it.

...including all of the computer ratings that were used in the BCS ( http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4765872 ), and only one (Dr. Peter Wolfe) has UCF as #1. Massey Ratings has them #13 and Sagarin #8. So UCF can blame human bias all they want, but nearly all 'objective' computer ratings also don't believe they are #1. A couple do have Georgia #1 and UCF #2, so it's possible that if Bama beats Georgia that UCF could take #1 over Bama in two more ratings systems. Still not a consensus. I noticed one of the systems had UCF #8 prior to their bowl win and #2 after, so they probably wouldn't have qualified for the playoffs using objective systems either.

[Liverpooldawg]

If you want to win a natty from the G5 ALL of your noncoferance games better be against P5 teams, and at least two need to be against very good P5 teams.

[dawgs]

Problem with a ucf scheduling big name P5 programs, is those P5 programs would be fools to schedule ucf types. I?d rather chance losing to Texas or f$u or Michigan than chance losing to ucf, even if ucf is better than those teams this year on the field. Lose to ucf and your season is done. Lose to a Michigan or f$u and you can still run the table and be in good shape. Best a mediocre Michigan or Texas or f$u and the name alone carries some clout too. Beat ucf and everyone expects you to beat them even if they go 10-2 or something. So there?s really no incentive for the bama?s and the uga?s and the clemson?s to schedule ucf type programs. You can?t blame ucf for not scheduling those games either because it takes 2 to tango. It just is what it is. Maybe with multiple seasons of sustained 10+ win success, one of the neutral site season openers invites ucf to play a big dog program (like Boise played uga and va tech in season openers in atl and dc when Petersen was there, but that was after multiple top 10 finishes), but that’s about all you can hope for for a regular season shot at a big program.

Whoever said going undefeated against any schedule is easy, most of the top 25 would?ve run the table with ucf?s schedule.

Also, claiming the natty is just dumb and looks desperate. Hang a banner for an undefeated season and peach bowl champs, but don?t be that guy that tries to claim the natty.

[Esac44]

I’m fine with them hanging a National Championship banner. Hell if the Turds beat GA they will hang yet another one without winning their state, their division or their conference. Seems the Div I will NEVER have a true play-off simply because there won’t be a “rematch” between “storied” programs.

[dawgs]

I’m fine with them hanging a National Championship banner. Hell if the Turds beat GA they will hang yet another one without winning their state, their division or their conference. Seems the Div I will NEVER have a true play-off simply because there won’t be a “rematch” between “storied” programs.

Meh with unbalanced scheduling, I have no problem with a team not winning their division/conference making the playoff or natty. Until everyone in a conference/division play all the same conf games, it’s kinda a broken idea that one needs to win their division/conf to make it.

[Dawgology]

Are they related to the Rebels? That is such an OM thing!

Maybe they really COULD replace Ole Miss int he SEC?

[Jack Lambert]

I wonder what the trohy they buy is going to look like?

[jumbo]

Frost had a $200k bonus in his contract for winning a NC...wonder if UCF will pay him since they are claiming the title.

[Jack Lambert]

Frost had a $200k bonus in his contract for winning a NC...wonder if UCF will pay him since they are claiming the title.

Be funny his agent contacted the school asking for the money.

[jumbo]

update: yes, the will. UCF AD just tweeted it out

[TUSK]

I’m fine with them hanging a National Championship banner. Hell if the Turds beat GA they will hang yet another one without winning their state, their division or their conference. Seems the Div I will NEVER have a true play-off simply because there won’t be a “rematch” between “storied” programs.

best 7th post, eveh...


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[fieldcorporal]

They spell U.C.F. with hand motions. Looks like a stadium full of village people.

Nobody with hand motions should be in the playoff.

[Dawgface]

Back to back National Championships, baby!!!!!!!!!!!!

When and where is our parade?

[Commercecomet24]

So they?re buying a participation trophy. Nice.

[TUSK]

Bianchi is losing his shite on Finebaum... Called the NC a "consolation game"... PF is grilling him....

and as a sidebar, how many of you cats woulda been aight with a 2014 MSU 11-1 team (with a close loss in TTown) gettin' left out of the CFP for an undefeated UCF team?

[bigplayslay]

Are they related to the Rebels? That is such an OM thing!

Funny you say that. Danny White was "senior associate athletic director" under Bjork hahaha

[Johnson85]

Problem with a ucf scheduling big name P5 programs, is those P5 programs would be fools to schedule ucf types. I?d rather chance losing to Texas or f$u or Michigan than chance losing to ucf, even if ucf is better than those teams this year on the field. Lose to ucf and your season is done. Lose to a Michigan or f$u and you can still run the table and be in good shape. Best a mediocre Michigan or Texas or f$u and the name alone carries some clout too. Beat ucf and everyone expects you to beat them even if they go 10-2 or something. So there?s really no incentive for the bama?s and the uga?s and the clemson?s to schedule ucf type programs. You can?t blame ucf for not scheduling those games either because it takes 2 to tango. It just is what it is. Maybe with multiple seasons of sustained 10+ win success, one of the neutral site season openers invites ucf to play a big dog program (like Boise played uga and va tech in season openers in atl and dc when Petersen was there, but that was after multiple top 10 finishes), but that?s about all you can hope for for a regular season shot at a big program.

Whoever said going undefeated against any schedule is easy, most of the top 25 would?ve run the table with ucf?s schedule.

Also, claiming the natty is just dumb and looks desperate. Hang a banner for an undefeated season and peach bowl champs, but don?t be that guy that tries to claim the natty.

Out of 65 teams, I guarantee you there are plenty of schools that would be open to doing a buy game with UCF and they could probably fill their schedules with 2 and 1's. They had Ga Tech playing at UCF this year. Nebraska recently played at Southern. Even relatively big time programs are finding themselves having to agree to 2 for 1's to get their schedule filled.

If UCF had scheduled two more Power 5 teams instead of FUI and Austin Peay, I think they would have had a legitimate argument about getting left out. Even if they scheduled mid-tier teams, if they scheduled four of them two years out, at least one or two of them would probably end up good. But you can't go into scheduling knowing that your conference schedule is going to be weaker than any Power 5 team's and then also schedule two cupcakes in OOC. well, you can, but you can't do that and also complain that you aren't in the running for a national title.

[Jack Lambert]

Bianchi is losing his shite on Finebaum... Called the NC a "consolation game"... PF is grilling him....

and as a sidebar, how many of you cats woulda been aight with a 2014 MSU 11-1 team (with a close loss in TTown) gettin' left out of the CFP for an undefeated UCF team?

I would be pissed and would have a better reason to be pissed.

[Esac44]

best 7th post, eveh...


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Ha Ha Ha. Ya kill me...

[TUSK]

I would be pissed and would have a better reason to be pissed.

Thanks, Jack... I kinda thought that'd put things in perspective for the "You should have to win your conference" crowd.

[Esac44]

Thanks, Jack... I kinda thought that'd put things in perspective for the "You should have to win your conference" crowd.

So basically it’s about who you play and not who you defeat in your opinion? I am in the “you gotta win” crowd to be considered a Champion, not ashamed of it at all. Seems like there are a lot of “oh just pick who’s best” and let the rest suck it up crowd but everyone is entitled to their opinion... (is that 8th or 9th?)

[gravedigger]

Problem with a ucf scheduling big name P5 programs, is those P5 programs would be fools to schedule ucf types. I?d rather chance losing to Texas or f$u or Michigan than chance losing to ucf, even if ucf is better than those teams this year on the field. Lose to ucf and your season is done. Lose to a Michigan or f$u and you can still run the table and be in good shape. Best a mediocre Michigan or Texas or f$u and the name alone carries some clout too. Beat ucf and everyone expects you to beat them even if they go 10-2 or something. So there?s really no incentive for the bama?s and the uga?s and the clemson?s to schedule ucf type programs. You can?t blame ucf for not scheduling those games either because it takes 2 to tango. It just is what it is. Maybe with multiple seasons of sustained 10+ win success, one of the neutral site season openers invites ucf to play a big dog program (like Boise played uga and va tech in season openers in atl and dc when Petersen was there, but that was after multiple top 10 finishes), but that’s about all you can hope for for a regular season shot at a big program.

Whoever said going undefeated against any schedule is easy, most of the top 25 would?ve run the table with ucf?s schedule.

Also, claiming the natty is just dumb and looks desperate. Hang a banner for an undefeated season and peach bowl champs, but don?t be that guy that tries to claim the natty.

Heard that bullshit argument when we beat Farvre and when we beat UCF in 2007.

[TUSK]

So basically it’s about who you play and not who you defeat in your opinion? I am in the “you gotta win” crowd to be considered a Champion, not ashamed of it at all. Seems like there are a lot of “oh just pick who’s best” and let the rest suck it up crowd but everyone is entitled to their opinion... (is that 8th or 9th?)

I dig what you're saying... But I'm in the "put the best teams in the CFP" crowd...

Now, if a program like UCF (and their schedule) was the only undefeated, major college program and everyone else had 3 or 4 losses, I could buy it, maybe...

Heck, if we want to penalize competition, I'd like to see Bammer get in the CUSA, go 13-0 every single year and cruise into the CFP with no injuries...

You may be on to something, here:confused:

[starkvegasdawg]

Tsun fan?s take on twitter on this. Of course those D Bags would be ok with it.

It's marketing genius by your AD. When was the last time your school got so much publicity? Other FL schools, Georgia, and Bama fans are the only ones whining about it. The rest of the country applauds the great season and school pride

[dawgs]

Out of 65 teams, I guarantee you there are plenty of schools that would be open to doing a buy game with UCF and they could probably fill their schedules with 2 and 1's. They had Ga Tech playing at UCF this year. Nebraska recently played at Southern. Even relatively big time programs are finding themselves having to agree to 2 for 1's to get their schedule filled.

If UCF had scheduled two more Power 5 teams instead of FUI and Austin Peay, I think they would have had a legitimate argument about getting left out. Even if they scheduled mid-tier teams, if they scheduled four of them two years out, at least one or two of them would probably end up good. But you can't go into scheduling knowing that your conference schedule is going to be weaker than any Power 5 team's and then also schedule two cupcakes in OOC. well, you can, but you can't do that and also complain that you aren't in the running for a national title.

I’m not talking about mid-tier P5 programs. I’m talking the bama’s, usc’s, Ohio st’s, f$u’s, uga’s, etc. because let’s face it, if ucf beat up on Nebraska and GT this year, no one would give them any credit for being mid-tier P5 programs have bad years. It sucks for ucf, but the simple fact is that barring a decent upset by Memphis or a huge upset by anyone else, literally the entire top 25 would be likely to run the table with their schedule this year.

[dawgs]

Tsun fan?s take on twitter on this. Of course those D Bags would be ok with it.

It's marketing genius by your AD. When was the last time your school got so much publicity? Other FL schools, Georgia, and Bama fans are the only ones whining about it. The rest of the country applauds the great season and school pride

I don’t think anyone is “whining” about it. All I’ve seen is people doing the internet equivalent of rolling their eyes at it.

[dawgs]

So basically it’s about who you play and not who you defeat in your opinion? I am in the “you gotta win” crowd to be considered a Champion, not ashamed of it at all. Seems like there are a lot of “oh just pick who’s best” and let the rest suck it up crowd but everyone is entitled to their opinion... (is that 8th or 9th?)

It’s about who you play AND who you beat. Only a ****ing moron would argue that it’s black and white.

[dawgs]

Heard that bullshit argument when we beat Farvre and when we beat UCF in 2007.

What bullshit argument am I making and how is that relevant to us? I didn’t know I was making an argument, I was merely pointing out the reality of really good G5 programs trying to schedule good P5 teams with realistic CFP aspirations.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I'd feel great because my team went undefeated but I wouldn't want them to hang a banner proclaiming a National Championship.

Hang a banner that says undefeated season.

If we did this, that would mean we beat GA, Bama, and Auburn, I would be cool with the banner.

[Liverpooldawg]

Tsun fan?s take on twitter on this. Of course those D Bags would be ok with it.

It's marketing genius by your AD. When was the last time your school got so much publicity? Other FL schools, Georgia, and Bama fans are the only ones whining about it. The rest of the country applauds the great season and school pride
Funny, most of what I see says they are being ridiculous. I agree, it’s pathetic.

[The Federalist Engineer]

So UCF has announced today that they are officially declaring themselves the National Champions and will hang a banner in their stadium for it.

They must use the same PR people as North Korea, but BYU and 1982 Clemson also have fake banners, so why not?

[Political Hack]

I have zero respect for UCF. I?m almost to the point of hating Disney World by default.

[Johnson85]

I?m not talking about mid-tier P5 programs. I?m talking the bama?s, usc?s, Ohio st?s, f$u?s, uga?s, etc. because let?s face it, if ucf beat up on Nebraska and GT this year, no one would give them any credit for being mid-tier P5 programs have bad years. It sucks for ucf, but the simple fact is that barring a decent upset by Memphis or a huge upset by anyone else, literally the entire top 25 would be likely to run the table with their schedule this year.

Re-read what you are replying to.

I didn't say replace one of the OOC teams with a Power-5, I said replace two of them. Again, if they had scheduled 4 Power 5 teams for this year (which realistically means they would have scheduled games 2-4 years ago, when it's unpredictable who will be good), very likely one if not two of the opponents would have ended up being pretty good. Even if they tried to schedule 4 perennial losers, in many years they'd end up with one pretty good matchup.

Might not help when there are four good conference champions, but in years where there isn't a clear-cut fourth best team, it would at least give them a good argument.

To me, if they had scheduled four Power 5 teams for this year and gone undefeated, I would have been very sympathetic to the argument that they have "earned" their way in. If you play the hardest schedule available to you and go undefeated, you've got a pretty good argument that you should get a shot (if not, it needs to be formally recognized that G5 teams belong to their own division between FBS and FCS). But you have zero argument when you pair an American Conference schedule with FIU and Austin Peay.

[West Tn Dawg]

AD White came from Ole Miss. Nuff Said!

[Lord McBuckethead]

Then schedule Ohio State, Notre Dame, Bama, Auburn, LSU, MS State, USCw, etc.

[QuadrupleOption]

I think UCF has a good team this year, and I think on a neutral field they'd have given us all we could handle (with a healthy Fitz). Having said that, I see a lot of scores for them this season that are eerily similar to scores from their 2007 season, when they had the leading rusher in all of college football (a fact they wouldn't shut up about) and we dominated them defensively.

I don't care that they beat Auburn. Auburn went from having a shot at the playoffs to playing in essentially a consolation game they didn't care about, and it STILL took a pick-6 for UCF to win. The fact is, the team I saw playing Auburn isn't as good as any of the 4 teams that were picked for the playoff. They wouldn't beat Bama, Oklahoma, Georgia, or Clemson in a game that any of those 4 teams gave a shit about and that tells me that the committee got it right with respect to UCF. Whether or not Bama deserved a shot is a different argument, but there are still at least 2 teams I'd have given the last slot to before UCF.

[Corn Bread]

I would wait for Bammer to play them next Tuesday morning in there stadium and hand them there ass.

[Todd4State]

If we did this, that would mean we beat GA, Bama, and Auburn, I would be cool with the banner.

Only at MSU could we possibly go 14-0 in the same season where the P5 would have four other undefeated conference champions that all got selected to the BCS playoff bowls. That's the ONLY sceanario where we could ever go undefeated and not win a NC under the current system. That scenario would also probably spur playoff exapansion. Highly, highly unlikely situation.

But if it did I'm fine hanging an undefeated season banner too.

[TUSK]

They must use the same PR people as North Korea, but BYU and 1982 Clemson also have fake banners, so why not?

At least someone remembers the bastardization of the BYU National Championship....

The worst decision in the last ~4 decades...

Thank goodness, we got the BCS and the CFP to lend some credibility to it all....

[Percho]

I think UCF has a good team this year, and I think on a neutral field they'd have given us all we could handle (with a healthy Fitz). Having said that, I see a lot of scores for them this season that are eerily similar to scores from their 2007 season, when they had the leading rusher in all of college football (a fact they wouldn't shut up about) and we dominated them defensively.

I don't care that they beat Auburn. Auburn went from having a shot at the playoffs to playing in essentially a consolation game they didn't care about, and it STILL took a pick-6 for UCF to win. The fact is, the team I saw playing Auburn isn't as good as any of the 4 teams that were picked for the playoff. They wouldn't beat Bama, Oklahoma, Georgia, or Clemson in a game that any of those 4 teams gave a shit about and that tells me that the committee got it right with respect to UCF. Whether or not Bama deserved a shot is a different argument, but there are still at least 2 teams I'd have given the last slot to before UCF.

Why don't we just let, "the committee," pick the NC? They will probably get that right also.

[TUSK]

SEC Shorts has chimed in:


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