Unofficial Football Staff

[preachermatt83]

Our very own Ifyouonlyknew sent me this. He said he's 85-90 percent sure.
New Coaching Staff

HC - Joe Moorhead (44) OC Penn St
QB - Andrew Breiner (33) HC Fordham
RB - Charles Huff (34) RB Penn St
WR - Luke Getsy (33) WR Green Bay Packers
TE - Mark Hudspeath (49) HC ULL
OL - Marcus Johnson (36) OL Duke
DC - Bob Shoop (51) DC Tennessee
DL - Brian Baker (55) DL MSU
LB - Tem Lukabu (36) Defense Quality Control SF 49ers
CB - Marcus Woodson (36) DB Memphis
ST - Scott Fountain (52) Analyst UGA

[Cooterpoot]

I like it for the most part. Still not sold on Woodson.

[PassInterference]

Chris Bonoil?

[preachermatt83]

Scott fountain is HUGE!! He was the ST coach for Auburn for the Kick 6. Supposed to be fabulous recruiter.

[Commercecomet24]

Thanks, Preacher and IYOK. Looks like a good group. You?re right about Fountain that?s a big get!

[Really Clark?]

You forgot the strength coach

[preachermatt83]

Chris Bonoil?

Wasn't he considered an "analyst". Hopefully he will stay on in that capacity

[preachermatt83]

You forgot the strength coach

:confused:

[Ifyouonlyknew]

You forgot the strength coach

Anthony Piroli is the word

[HaggardDawg]

Not trying to bitch and i know it?s been discussed, but we?re okay with 2 rebs being on staff?

[HaggardDawg]

Also, I?m cool with Piroli being strength coach. I?ve wondered if RJ Barrett in Jackson will ever get a shot with a D1 program as a strength coach. He trains a lot of the pro and d1 athletes from the metro during the off-seasons

[JoseBrown]

Guessing Shoop will coach safeties?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Not trying to bitch and i know it?s been discussed, but we?re okay with 2 rebs being on staff?

Personally I could care less. Can you coach? Can you recruit? If the answer to those 2 are yes you can be on my staff.

[preachermatt83]

Guessing Shoop will coach safeties?

Yea

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Guessing Shoop will coach safeties?

Yes

[preachermatt83]

Anthony Piroli is the word

One of the best in America.

[msstate7]

Excited to see what shoop can do with our safeties. I think safety has had talent there that has not been tapped into

[Really Clark?]

Anthony Piroli is the word

Yeah. That's who I was alluding to. Just didn't it listed on the original OP. Really like the WR and ST coaches. Fountain especially for recruiting. I'm liking the mix the more I look at it. Pro ties, MS ties, SEC experience, some really really smart coaches and mixed with some really good recruiters. CB I'm not as sure just yet but not because he went UNM

[Commercecomet24]

Pretty impressive staff Joe has assembled.

[SmokeyDawg]

Excited to see what shoop can do with our safeties. I think safety has had talent there that has not been tapped into

I’m excited to see what he does with our pass defense as a whole. That’s what his strength has been and hopefully with our front 7 and Baker we can stay consistent in our rush D

[yjnkdawg]

Not trying to bitch and i know it?s been discussed, but we?re okay with 2 rebs being on staff?


Yep...... If we are paying them to coach here, their ties to OM will be out recruting and beating OM on the field.

[HaggardDawg]

Yep...... If we are paying them to coach here, their ties to OM will be out recruting and beating OM on the field.

Thats true. It doesnt concern me but it is slightly different than hiring, say, Deshea Townsend. Then again, Im sure Rockey stole recruits from MSU while at Bama and Arky, Looney while at UGA....**Stricklin while at Florida....damnit**

Forreal, I don?t think it?s an issue at all. Just curious to see what others thought.

[Coach34]

Those guys are professionals with families to feed as well as aspirations of advancing their careers. They will do their job

[vv83]

Are Looney, Peterson, and Austin being retained in some capacity?

[preachermatt83]

Are Looney, Peterson, and Austin being retained in some capacity?

Yes. With raises I understand

[PonderThis2]

In regards to Getsy- I think this has the potential to be a home run. Not only can he walk into recruits living rooms and say he coached Jordy, Adams, and Cobb but I think he can coach.

I am a HUGE fantasy football nerd and noticed a HUGE difference in Devante Adams when he got there. I am sure there are other factors but he has no doubt gotten better since he got there in 2016.
Games Receiving Rushing
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G YScm RRTD Fmb AV
2014 22 GNB WR 17 16 11 66 38 446 11.7 3 45 2.4 27.9 57.6% 446 3 0 5
2015 23 GNB WR 17 13 12 94 50 483 9.7 1 40 3.8 37.2 53.2% 483 1 0 4
2016 24 GNB WR 17 16 15 121 75 997 13.3 12 66 4.7 62.3 62.0% 997 12 2 10
2017 25 GNB WR 17 14 14 117 74 885 12.0 10 55 5.3 63.2 63.2% 885 10 0
Career 59 52 398 237 2811 11.9 26 66 4.0 47.6 2811 26 2 19

[PonderThis2]

In regards to Getsy- I think this has the potential to be a home run. Not only can he walk into recruits living rooms and say he coached Jordy, Adams, and Cobb but I think he can coach.

I am a HUGE fantasy football nerd and noticed a HUGE difference in Devante Adams when he got there. I am sure there are other factors but he has no doubt gotten better since he got there in 2016.
Games Receiving Rushing
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G YScm RRTD Fmb AV
2014 22 GNB WR 17 16 11 66 38 446 11.7 3 45 2.4 27.9 57.6% 446 3 0 5
2015 23 GNB WR 17 13 12 94 50 483 9.7 1 40 3.8 37.2 53.2% 483 1 0 4
2016 24 GNB WR 17 16 15 121 75 997 13.3 12 66 4.7 62.3 62.0% 997 12 2 10
2017 25 GNB WR 17 14 14 117 74 885 12.0 10 55 5.3 63.2 63.2% 885 10 0
Career 59 52 398 237 2811 11.9 26 66 4.0 47.6 2811 26 2 19

I know this is a little tough to read but basically showed huge improvement in basically every category.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Are Looney, Peterson, and Austin being retained in some capacity?

Not Looney

[vv83]

Not Looney

Damn. Resources aren't there, leaving for a better opportunity, or services just not wanted?

[smootness]

Have a couple genuine questions:

1) Do we know why Fountain was demoted to analyst with Auburn before taking the same position with UGA?
2) How are we able to get Getsy for the same position as in GB? Is he getting a co-OC title or a raise?

[AlSwearengen]

My concern is one of the two rebs being the lead recruiter for two or three or more big commits that olemiss covets. Don’t think for a moment olemiss won’t make a move to hire them for the sole purpose of flipping the recruits.

There needs to be a clause in their contracts.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Damn. Resources aren't there, leaving for a better opportunity, or services just not wanted?

I'm sure he wants to be an on field coach.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Have a couple genuine questions:

1) Do we know why Fountain was demoted to analyst with Auburn before taking the same position with UGA?
2) How are we able to get Getsy for the same position as in GB? Is he getting a co-OC title or a raise?

1. I'm not sure but I think it had to do with getting Larry Porter on staff

2. He played under JoeMo & yes he'd have the Co-OC title

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

Our very own Ifyouonlyknew sent me this. He said he's 85-90 percent sure.
New Coaching Staff

HC - Joe Moorhead (44) OC Penn St
QB - Andrew Breiner (33) HC Fordham
RB - Charles Huff (34) RB Penn St
WR - Luke Getsy (33) WR Green Bay Packers
TE - Mark Hudspeath (49) HC ULL
OL - Marcus Johnson (36) OL Duke
DC - Bob Shoop (51) DC Tennessee
DL - Brian Baker (55) DL MSU
LB - Tem Lukabu (36) Defense Quality Control SF 49ers
CB - Marcus Woodson (36) DB Memphis
ST - Scott Fountain (52) Analyst UGA

Is TBuck going back to Free Shoes U?

[preachermatt83]

Yes. With raises I understand

Gibson... not looney.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Is TBuck going back to Free Shoes U?

I'm sure he will if he's offered a job

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

I'm sure he will if he's offered a job

Will he be retained on Moorhead’s staff off the field?

[Offshore Dawg]

All bias aside, even you Mullen haters should admit that over the last 9 years Dan and others have made MSU and our Dawgs a respectable place to coach. Results = just look at Coach JoMo and the rest of his staff, look at where they left to come to Starkveges.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Will he be retained on Moorhead’s staff off the field?

No way TBuck won't be an on field coach somewhere next year.

[basedog]

No way TBuck won't be an on field coach somewhere next year.

Kinda strange TBuck wasn't invited to join Grantham but watching our corners I can understand.

For anyone thinking our two ex Reb football players would sell Msu out is retarded thinking. Most Coaches don't hate like fans.

[Commercecomet24]

Kinda strange TBuck wasn't invited to join Grantham but watching our corners I can understand.

For anyone thinking our two ex Reb football players would sell Msu out is retarded thinking. Most Coaches don't hate like fans.

Exactly about the coaches. They all want to move up the ladder and the only way to do that is do a better job than their competition.

[bigplayslay]

Our very own Ifyouonlyknew sent me this. He said he's 85-90 percent sure.
New Coaching Staff

HC - Joe Moorhead (44) OC Penn St
QB - Andrew Breiner (33) HC Fordham
RB - Charles Huff (34) RB Penn St
WR - Luke Getsy (33) WR Green Bay Packers
TE - Mark Hudspeath (49) HC ULL
OL - Marcus Johnson (36) OL Duke
DC - Bob Shoop (51) DC Tennessee
DL - Brian Baker (55) DL MSU
LB - Tem Lukabu (36) Defense Quality Control SF 49ers
CB - Marcus Woodson (36) DB Memphis
ST - Scott Fountain (52) Analyst UGA

On paper that's a great staff. To think we have two guys that were former head coaches and two guys from the league is big time. Now we can hopefully sit back and watch these dawgs compete for the west soon.

[was21]

Exactly....must be a bunch of kids posting on here obsessed with eggs and such. These coaches are past that crap if they ever had it to begin with.

[was21]

On paper that's a great staff. To think we have two guys that were former head coaches and two guys from the league is big time. Now we can hopefully sit back and watch these dawgs compete for the west soon.

Not convinced that having former head coaches as position coaches is a great idea but guess we'll see how it works out

[bigplayslay]

Not convinced that having former head coaches as position coaches is a great idea but guess we'll see how it works out

Yes we will see haha. Someone with more knowledge of coaching would have to answer that but like I said on paper- great staff.

[SmokeyDawg]

Not convinced that having former head coaches as position coaches is a great idea but guess we'll see how it works out

What is a downfall of hiring a head coach as a position coach? I don’t think Moorhead is bringing on anyone that is going to be self centered.

[basedog]

Not convinced that having former head coaches as position coaches is a great idea but guess we'll see how it works out

Let's put it this way, IF they want to a HC again they need to step it up. For that matter, just to stay in college coaching.

[Really Clark?]

Not convinced that having former head coaches as position coaches is a great idea but guess we'll see how it works out

There is a huge difference in hiring a HC that got fired and is long in the tooth vs hiring away a young sitting HC from a smaller school who is still climbing up the ladder.

[was21]

There is a huge difference in hiring a HC that got fired and is long in the tooth vs hiring away a young sitting HC from a smaller school who is still climbing up the ladder.

Agreed. Potential problem may arise when one who was fired had smoke around him..where there's smoke there's fire and sometimes you get burned...might be a cancer in the locker room if ambition surfaces.

[Dawg61]

Pretty impressive staff Joe has assembled.

Yea it blows Muffins first staff out the water. Hell it blows Muffins last staff out the water.

[Really Clark?]

Agreed. Potential problem may arise when one who was fired had smoke around him..where there's smoke there's fire and sometimes you get burned...might be a cancer in the locker room if ambition surfaces.

Well Briener is nothing like that and will be a big positive. Hud has been knocked back and humbled and he has no backing to pull something like that. He knows he is fortunate to be in the SEC

[preachermatt83]

On paper that's a great staff. To think we have two guys that were former head coaches and two guys from the league is big time. Now we can hopefully sit back and watch these dawgs compete for the west soon.

3... shoop, Breiner, and HUD

[SmokeyDawg]

The more I listen to Moorheads interviews, the more excited I feel about the program going forward. Mullen’s interviews always seemed like basic coaches talk but Moorhead feels a lot more like a CEO. He has a formula for success and you can tell he’s confident in it. He’s going to hire guys with the traits he sees as valuable and plug them into his operating system.

[Todd4State]

The only hire I question is Woodson- not because he went to Ole Miss but because the secondary at Memphis was atrocious. He probably has some good ties to both Memphis and the Mississippi Gulf Coast though.

[msstate7]

The only hire I question is Woodson- not because he went to Ole Miss but because the secondary at Memphis was atrocious. He probably has some good ties to both Memphis and the Mississippi Gulf Coast though.
Shoop is a safety guy, so I figure he will teach coverage more than any other coach.

[Todd4State]

The more I listen to Moorheads interviews, the more excited I feel about the program going forward. Mullen’s interviews always seemed like basic coaches talk but Moorhead feels a lot more like a CEO. He has a formula for success and you can tell he’s confident in it. He’s going to hire guys with the traits he sees as valuable and plug them into his operating system.

We're going to have a more cerebral coaching staff than we ever did under Dan. Hopefully that will help put us over the top against the closer games against bigger name opponents like Alabama. I bet we become a lot more analytically driven as a football program as well. Hopefully no more upper classmen favoritism.

There is a reason a lot of our assistant coaches have been head coaches or in the NFL as assistants at a young age- it's because they're pretty bright. I've seen some concerns about Tem Lukabu- but he was one of the few holdovers from Chip Kelly's staff to Kyle Shanahan's. That tells me he is probably pretty impressive.

I think Dan was smart too- but it seemed like he lacked common sense sometimes.

[dawgoneyall]

We have a major upgrade

[Todd4State]

Shoop is a safety guy, so I figure he will teach coverage more than any other coach.

That could be the case. But I hate to say this- but if we're just looking for a recruiter we might as well should have kept Buckley. It could be that Buckley was gone either way though with the FSU opening. Or maybe Moorhead just thought he wasn't very good at coaching. It's very possible that a lot of the busts we had could have been more on the corners than the safeties at least some of the time.

Woodson gets a year to prove himself before I declare it a bad hire.

[maroonmania]

Not trying to bitch and i know it?s been discussed, but we?re okay with 2 rebs being on staff?

I'm not really OK with it, but JoMo didn't ask my opinion about it so I'll just hope they work out alright. I'm not paranoid about them but I would have just preferred him to have hired 2 assistants in those positions that didn't have the ties to a school that would just as soon see MSU burn to the ground. Personally I don't think Coach Mo totally understands the bitterness of the rivalry or he probably wouldn't have made 2 hires from guys that went through that program. Just too many good position coaches out there to even deal with that factor at all. Its not like these 2 guys are highly proven at their jobs, heck, Memphis' defense was terrible this year. And Johnson is still very green himself as an OL coach. If we were hiring big time, experienced coaches with that background it would be much easier to overlook. As stated, believe we could have gotten equal or better qualified coaches without the OM baggage to deal with. I at least hope they both signed a 3-4 year non-compete clause for OM or its really not smart. As someone else said, OM would hire one of these guys in a heartbeat if they thought they could flip a high profile recruit by doing so and likely either one would accept.

[Todd4State]

I'm not really OK with it, but JoMo didn't ask my opinion about it so I'll just hope they work out alright. I'm not paranoid about them but I would have just preferred him to have hired 2 assistants in those positions that didn't have the ties to a school that would just as soon see MSU burn to the ground. Personally I don't think Coach Mo totally understands the bitterness of the rivalry or he probably wouldn't have made 2 hires from guys that went through that program. Just too many good position coaches out there to even deal with that factor at all. Its not like these 2 guys are highly proven at their jobs, heck, Memphis' defense was terrible this year. And Johnson is still very green himself as an OL coach. If we were hiring big time, experienced coaches with that background it would be much easier to overlook. As stated, believe we could have gotten equal or better qualified coaches without the OM baggage to deal with. I at least hope they both signed a 3-4 year non-compete clause for OM or its really not smart. As someone else said, OM would hire one of these guys in a heartbeat if they thought they could flip a high profile recruit by doing so and likely either one would accept.

Both of them are Cutcliffe guys. And we all know how Ole Miss handled that. Cutcliffe compared to the other coaches that they have had was a lot more ethical.

And as I've said before if you want to coach at Ole Miss you have to play their recruiting game with the Network. Ole Miss may have gotten a slap on the wrist- but Barney Farrar and David Saunders certainly did not. A lot of coaches don't want to be caught up in that because Ole Miss can take a promising coach and turn them into Mississippi JUCO cannon fodder. Hugh Freeze went from hoping to get the Florida or Georgia job to hoping to get the Middle Tennessee or Troy jobs that aren't even open right now.

We may be their best option to come home and have a SEC job without getting a potential show cause.

[yjnkdawg]

I'm not really OK with it, but JoMo didn't ask my opinion about it so I'll just hope they work out alright. I'm not paranoid about them but I would have just preferred him to have hired 2 assistants in those positions that didn't have the ties to a school that would just as soon see MSU burn to the ground. Personally I don't think Coach Mo totally understands the bitterness of the rivalry or he probably wouldn't have made 2 hires from guys that went through that program. Just too many good position coaches out there to even deal with that factor at all. Its not like these 2 guys are highly proven at their jobs, heck, Memphis' defense was terrible this year. And Johnson is still very green himself as an OL coach. If we were hiring big time, experienced coaches with that background it would be much easier to overlook. As stated, believe we could have gotten equal or better qualified coaches without the OM baggage to deal with. I at least hope they both signed a 3-4 year non-compete clause for OM or its really not smart. As someone else said, OM would hire one of these guys in a heartbeat if they thought they could flip a high profile recruit by doing so and likely either one would accept.


If Coach JoeMo can hire coaches that can recruit and coach and help us get to the next level. I don't care where they played their college football. Some have been bitching about no SEC or Mississippi ties, with our coaching staff. I think some of ya'll are paranoid on this hiring of former OM players and are trying to over think on it.

[parabrave]

Not trying to bitch and i know it?s been discussed, but we?re okay with 2 rebs being on staff?

Ever heard of Bob Tyler? Ask USM fans if hiring Bobby Collins was bad because he was a Bulldog, class of 1958 I believe. Even though both schools got probation under their terms but thats a moot point.

[yjnkdawg]

The only hire I question is Woodson- not because he went to Ole Miss but because the secondary at Memphis was atrocious. He probably has some good ties to both Memphis and the Mississippi Gulf Coast though.


Norvell considered Woodson a really good recruiter when he hired him and a good coach that could teach and relate to his players and accomplish what Norvell wanted on his defense. I don't know the situation on what happened with the Memphis secondary this year. When he was at Fresno, I think he recruited the Texas area.

[deltadawg99]

Memphis was ranked 122 in the country and according to 247, he has never signed a single 4* player. Sorry but not impresswd, no matter where he played college ball.

[Fader21]

Johnson and Woodson aren?t Rebs anymore. They are Bulldogs, let?s support them!

[msstate7]

Memphis was ranked 122 in the country and according to 247, he has never signed a single 4* player. Sorry but not impresswd, no matter where he played college ball.

Little deceiving looking at yds/game. Memphis blew out most everyone, so they had a ton of passes thrown against them (123rd in the country in passes thrown against them). They were 61st in completion % against and 14th in ints

[preachermatt83]

Little deceiving looking at yds/game. Memphis blew out most everyone, so they had a ton of passes thrown against them (123rd in the country in passes thrown against them). They were 61st in completion % against and 14th in ints

Not to mention, most of the teams they played threw the ball 50+ times a game. So really any # besides compleation percentage is going to be skewed

[Percho]

The only hire I question is Woodson- not because he went to Ole Miss but because the secondary at Memphis was atrocious. He probably has some good ties to both Memphis and the Mississippi Gulf Coast though.

they had 16 int's we had 9

[Todd4State]

Memphis was ranked 122 in the country and according to 247, he has never signed a single 4* player. Sorry but not impresswd, no matter where he played college ball.

It's unreasonable to expect a non power 5 team to sign a lot of 4 star players.

[Todd4State]

they had 16 int's we had 9

Likely against more pass attempts. I'm giving him a chance no matter what though.

[basedog]

It all starts up front, can we get to the QB with 4 or 5 rushing and the blitz. I am more interested in our DC and his tactics than our new defensive back coach.

[1bigdawg]

That's a really impressive line-up of Offensive coaches and I am excited about Fountain. To me the O coaches look MUCH more impressive that the D coaches. In particular, I see nothing impressive in the resumes of either Woodson or Lukabu. I would love for someone to disabuse me....

[Really Clark?]

That's a really impressive line-up of Offensive coaches and I am excited about Fountain. To me the O coaches look MUCH more impressive that the D coaches. In particular, I see nothing impressive in the resumes of either Woodson or Lukabu. I would love for someone to disabuse me....

I actually like the LB coach a good bit. Was Schiano LB coach at Rutgers and learned from him a number of years. Considered a sharp coach according to his peers.

[yjnkdawg]

Not to mention, most of the teams they played threw the ball 50+ times a game. So really any # besides compleation percentage is going to be skewed

This and the early season injuries they had. USAToday reported they had two more DBs' that were out since September and the first week in October.

https://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2017/nov/23/tigers-defense-has-persevered-through-adversity-this-season/

[Prediction? Pain.]

There are other stats to note about Memphis' pass defense and Woodson beyond total passing yards allowed. For instance, in both of Woodson's years at Memphis, they were top 5 in their conference in both opponent's QB rating and yards per passing attempt allowed.

But hopefully more telling of Woodson a DB coach is Memphis' DBs' knack for ball hawking. In both of Woodson's years there, they were top 2 in their conference in passes defensed (which is the sum of interceptions and pass break ups). In fact, their DBs were nationally outstanding at making plays on the ball. In both 2016 and 2017, Memphis' national ranks in "DB Havoc Rate" -- a secondary's "total tackles for loss, passes defensed, and forced fumbles divided by total plays" -- were 6th and 11th.

And what's really interesting about those ranks is that they coincided with crappy havoc numbers from Memphis' front seven (125th and 85th nationally). In other words, under Woodson, Memphis' secondary was one of the best in the nation at getting PBUs, INTs, TFLs, and forcing fumbles even though their front seven sucked at doing that stuff. I didn't think that's how it was supposed to usually work in the secondary.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Prediction Pain, great write up! I feel much better about the hire now. Where do you find these advanced stats? I'd love to bookmark your source

[tcdog70]

The proof is in the pudding. Stop the gnashing of teeth. For me they are all great until they prove otherwise. Coach Joe , I'm sure doesn't want shitty Coaches on his staff. He must have plenty of confidence in these Coaches, so then do I. The Country Club is gone, isn't that what everyone wanted.

[Prediction? Pain.]

Prediction Pain, great write up! I feel much better about the hire now. Where do you find these advanced stats? I'd love to bookmark your source

Thanks, dude. The traditional stats are from CFB Stats and the advanced stats are from Football Outsiders. Here (http://www.cfbstats.com/2017/leader/823/team/offense/split01/category23/sort01.html) is the link to CFB Stats' page on passes defensed in Memphis' conference every year for the past decade or so. And here (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaadef) is the link to Football Outsiders' page with advanced stats for NCAA defenses. The "Havoc" stats are in the second of the two tables on the page. Since Memphis' opponent-adjusted defense was pretty bad overall, you'll have to scroll down to the bottom.

[bigplayslay]

There are other stats to note about Memphis' pass defense and Woodson beyond total passing yards allowed. For instance, in both of Woodson's years at Memphis, they were top 5 in their conference in both opponent's QB rating and yards per passing attempt allowed.

But hopefully more telling of Woodson a DB coach is Memphis' DBs' knack for ball hawking. In both of Woodson's years there, they were top 2 in their conference in passes defensed (which is the sum of interceptions and pass break ups). In fact, their DBs were nationally outstanding at making plays on the ball. In both 2016 and 2017, Memphis' national ranks in "DB Havoc Rate" -- a secondary's "total tackles for loss, passes defensed, and forced fumbles divided by total plays" -- were 6th and 11th.

And what's really interesting about those ranks is that they coincided with crappy havoc numbers from Memphis' front seven (125th and 85th nationally). In other words, under Woodson, Memphis' secondary was one of the best in the nation at getting PBUs, INTs, TFLs, and forcing fumbles even though their front seven sucked at doing that stuff. I didn't think that's how it was supposed to usually work in the secondary.

Making plays on the ball is something our secondary has struggled to do the past couple years so that sounds good lol

[maroonmania]

If Coach JoeMo can hire coaches that can recruit and coach and help us get to the next level. I don't care where they played their college football. Some have been bitching about no SEC or Mississippi ties, with our coaching staff. I think some of ya'll are paranoid on this hiring of former OM players and are trying to over think on it.

Sure, if Johnson and Woodson are difference making coaches that can help get us to the next level then I'm good with them and will more than overlook their background. Problem is, while they have the opportunity to accomplish that with us, they certainly don't have the proven backgrounds at this stage to give me any concrete evidence that they WILL do that. We are taking a chance on them to perform well in the SEC just like we could have taken a chance on a lot of young assistants across the country. And while they do have the background of having played in Mississippi have either of them actually coached in Mississippi? I would assume Woodson has at least recruited in Mississippi being at Memphis.