MSU Hoops vs Cincy game thread...

[Dawg61]

Yea I'm starting this early. Lamar Peters has totally dropped out the mock draft rankings. Didn't expect it to happen this quickly. Ball out tonight Lamar! 15 assists

http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

If he keeps this up, who will get processed? Don't someone have to leave to make room for the 3 we got coming in. I have a feeling it will be Eli Wright.

[msstate7]

If he keeps this up, who will get processed? Don't someone have to leave to make room for the 3 we got coming in. I have a feeling it will be Eli Wright.

I think someone will leave on their own

[Dawg61]

If he keeps this up, who will get processed? Don't someone have to leave to make room for the 3 we got coming in. I have a feeling it will be Eli Wright.

Can't someone just pay for school for a year or get an academic scholarship? MSU is dirt cheap tuition. Just pay them back under the table. This isn't difficult. Auburn has 19 players. My vote on who goes if we're not bend the rules is Herard though. If he can't learn to use his size and play big he's not much help.

[Choctaw Dawg]

Can't someone just pay for school for a year or get an academic scholarship? MSU is dirt cheap tuition. Just pay them back under the table. This isn't difficult. Auburn has 19 players. My vote on who goes if we're not bend the rules is Herard though. If he can't learn to use his size and play big he's not much help.

Herard has thrown up enough bricks this year to build a house, only thing halfway decent about him is a large defensive presence.

[preachermatt83]

I'm afraid we lose by 12+ tonight.

[Tbonewannabe]

Yea I'm starting this early. Lamar Peters has totally dropped out the mock draft rankings. Didn't expect it to happen this quickly. Ball out tonight Lamar! 15 assists

http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft

Lamar had a great summer but for whatever reason has not translated to the team. He has the skills but he has to be consistent. There is plenty of time for him to play himself back into the 1st round. Tonight would be a good step if he plays up to potential.

[Dawg61]

I'm afraid we lose by 12+ tonight.

Yea you haven't watched Cincy one bit. Probably haven't watched us either. Your prediction sucks.

[Irondawg]

Peters should have never been the mock drafts to start. I'm sure he looked great in the showcase tour this summer, but lots of guys can look good against in situations where no defense is being played.

Lamar is very talented and probably enough so to make an NBA roster, but there is along way to go just in on the court maturity to justify a first round selection.

[MarketingBully]

If he picks it up and leads us to the NCAA tournament, he could still get there. Oddly enough, he has very similar stats to what Westbrook had as a Sophomore. The season is still young.

[MarketingBully]

Lamar had a great summer but for whatever reason has not translated to the team. He has the skills but he has to be consistent. There is plenty of time for him to play himself back into the 1st round. Tonight would be a good step if he plays up to potential.

Yep, agreed. If he has himself a night and gets his teammates involved, he will shoot up the boards.

[Liverpooldawg]

I'm afraid we lose by 12+ tonight.

I hope we keep it that close.

[ScoobaDawg]

We lose..... everyone bitches about howland and it's expected.
We win everyone bitches..wheres this team been all year.

[BulldogDX55]

We lose..... everyone bitches about howland and it's expected.
We win everyone bitches..wheres this team been all year.

I'll take option two, please and thank you.

I don't think our team is as good as our record or as bad as our SoS. Since I have actually watched most of our games and not just looked at the final score, I've found that our team seems to be up by a good bit at about half way through the second half, then they get bored and let the other team come back. Does that show youth and a lack of discipline at times? Sure. However, I do not expect this team to get bored while facing Cincy, so we will get to see what they actually look like against a team that is at least as talented that will also punch them in the mouth a few times. Keep in mind that a worse version of our current team took Kentucky to the wire last year- the talent is there.

[PMDawg]

Yea you haven't watched Cincy one bit. Probably haven't watched us either. Your prediction sucks.

Somebody better tell ESPN (and Vegas)

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Frankly, I'll be surprised if we keep it within 20. Until our offense changes from "jack up some 3s", we are going to struggle against real teams.

Our only chance is if we get hot from 3 and drain a ton of them.

[Quaoarsking]

Can't someone just pay for school for a year or get an academic scholarship? MSU is dirt cheap tuition. Just pay them back under the table. This isn't difficult. Auburn has 19 players. My vote on who goes if we're not bend the rules is Herard though. If he can't learn to use his size and play big he's not much help.

You can switch to being a walkon and pay your own tuition. Jarvis Varnado did that so that Renardo Sydney could have a scholarship with us.

You can't switch to academic scholarship though. Anyone who was recruited and has a scholarship counts as a scholarship player, even if the athletic department doesn't fund it. (I believe this rule only applies in football and basketball, but I'm not sure. )

[MarketingBully]

Somebody better tell ESPN (and Vegas)

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Frankly, I'll be surprised if we keep it within 20. Until our offense changes from "jack up some 3s", we are going to struggle against real teams.

Our only chance is if we get hot from 3 and drain a ton of them.

Lol, whatever. We will keep it close. I doubt we get blown out. I think it will be a close game but I’m not going to pull the trigger on us winning but it wouldn’t surprise me if we did. This team has a ton of talent and if they take a “it’s me against the world” mentality we could easily win this game. We will start all four stars on our starting five which is more then I could say about Cincy. We have 8 four stars on this team which is way more then Cincy. Like I said in a previous thread if we continue to play good defense, be patient on offense, and turn their turnovers into points like Florida did we have a great chance to win.

[BigEasyDawg]

if we shoot better than 35% from 3 , we win this game by 8 or more points

[Dawg61]

You can switch to being a walkon and pay your own tuition. Jarvis Varnado did that so that Renardo Sydney could have a scholarship with us.

Alright so who wants to pay for a year and get a lifetime supply of Juicy Jumbos for it??

[DudyDawg]

Yea you haven't watched Cincy one bit. Probably haven't watched us either. Your prediction sucks.

well, the line is 11, so maybe it doesnt

[LC Dawg]

I'm no basketball expert but I watched Cincy vs Florida and I wasn't that impressed. Florida played good defense and I think we can too. If we will drive instead of jack up threes we can get them into foul trouble. We are deeper than them which could help (assuming all our guys have removed their heads from their asses and not gotten suspended in the last few days). There is no question that we have as much talent as Cincy.

[Irondawg]

I'm curious to see our offense go up against a good defense and see if we can get some easy shots and get to the basket and not turn it over 20 times.

I think our defense will be ok. Last year we were bad there and we've improved. Still some work to do be a good defensive team but we're at least average there now. But we are going to have to score to win this one and that means no 5 minute droughts like we've seen several times this year already.

Q and Carter have picked up their shooting as of late and Holman has been solid all year but we need to get some sort of inside game going. Hopefully Datcher or Ado will play well.

[Dawg61]

Cincy has lost two in a row and have to play @ UCLA on Saturday. I expect they'll be highly motivated tonight.

[smootness]

Cincy is a good team, but we're better than our fans seem to think, and Cincy's not as good as some believe. It's on the road, so it will be tough to win, but they're not going to blow us out.

[LC Dawg]

Cincy has lost two in a row and have to play @ UCLA on Saturday. I expect they'll be highly motivated tonight.

We are undefeated and most people, including a lot of our fans, think we will lose by double digits. I hope our guys are highly motivated.

[mparkerfd20]

86-63 Cincy. Down 47-26 at the half.

[Prediction? Pain.]

I'm not sure what I think's going to happen tonight, which makes me all the more excited to watch the game. Both State and Cincinnati have feasted on lightweights, and have done so largely through solid defense. Both teams are in the Top 10 in overall defensive efficiency right now (Cincy is No. 4, we're No. 8). Cincy's rank must have been close to No. 1 before losing to Xavier and Florida, because its defensive performances in those games -- but especially vs. Xavier -- weren't great.

That said, Cincy has edges in many other categories, especially on the boards. Cincy is 13th nationally in offensive rebounding percentage and 24th in defensive rebounding percentage. We're 148th and 174th. Yikes.

A key in this game may be who's hitting their threes and free throws. Neither team is great at limiting opponents' three-point attempts (Cincy is 146th nationally, and we're especially bad at 299th), so both teams should have plenty of looks. On the flip side, both teams are in the top 75 nationally in limiting opponents' free throw attempts (we're 23rd and they're 68th), so free throw shooters need to capitalize on their opportunities.

Of course, this is college basketball, so who the hell knows. Here's hoping that our inside-outside game is clicking and our inside guys make life in the lane hard.

[drunkernhelldawg]

Have no clue about Cincy but figure that we're about equal athletically. I think that's the team we beat in the Great 8 to make the Final Four in 1996. Donte Jones, where are you?

[MarketingBully]

86-63 Cincy. Down 47-26 at the half.

Cincy isn’t scoring in the 80s if anything this will be a defensive struggle.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Somebody better tell ESPN (and Vegas)

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Frankly, I'll be surprised if we keep it within 20. Until our offense changes from "jack up some 3s", we are going to struggle against real teams.

Our only chance is if we get hot from 3 and drain a ton of them.

You mean the same ESPN who thought Aeris Williams played for South Carolina. I get what you are saying but ESPN has lost ALL credibility. They are a joke.

[msstate7]

Got to rebound

[drunkernhelldawg]

My prediction: 67-62 State wins!

[Dawg61]

Poor rebounding poor inbounds play

[msstate7]

Poor defense too

[Dawg61]

Holman I take back everything I said about you taking 3's last 2 years, 12-19 this year

[msstate7]

Q is sloppy as hell

[CadaverDawg]

Q is a horrible passer

[msstate7]

We cannot rebound with them. We will not win

[CadaverDawg]

We can’t rebound

[Percho]

Woe is me!

[Dawg61]

I don't think Cincy is very deep so we have to get them in foul trouble

[chef dixon]

Peters needs to play big minutes. He needs to get in rhythm for us this season or we aren't going anywhere.

[msstate7]

Nice drive, nick

[msstate7]

Like getting datcher in. I think he can rebound with them

[CarolinaDawgs]

Gonna be fine if we will rebound.

[Dawg61]

Stapleton is a walking foul and he pouts a lot

[msstate7]

Wow, no call on peters drive

[msstate7]

Stapleton is a walking foul

Not a fan. He seems to do 2 dumb things to each good

[CarolinaDawgs]

Holman bout to have a big game. I feel it.

[msstate7]

They better than us

[CarolinaDawgs]

yes, they have rebounded better than us.


They better than us

[BeardoMSU]

They better than us

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[CadaverDawg]

Q frustrates the shit out of me. For a guy that seems to have a good bball IQ most times, he makes some of the worst passes and takes some of the most low percentage iladvised shots at times. He’s too good to be making those freshman plays still

[BeardoMSU]

I'm actually encouraged so far, win or lose, we look like a decent team.

[CadaverDawg]

They’re bout to roll us

[chef dixon]

We are so incredibly sloppy and have been for 6 years

[Liverpooldawg]

they are killing us n the boards.

[civildawg]

Our shot selection is so bad

[LC Dawg]

We need someone to step up and be ?the guy?. Someone you know can get you a basket when you really need one. Q doesn?t seem to have it. Peters has talent but his head holds him back. I think little Spoon has it in him but he needs to take charge.

[msstate7]

We cannot hit 3s and they reject us in the paint.

[Goldendawg]

Does anyone on our team know what an assist is? Give it up and you don't get it back with this bunch. In love with shooting three's, defense and rebounding, no interest.

[Dawg61]

Not a fan. He seems to do 2 dumb things to each good

Stapleton adds much needed toughness to this team. He does dumb shit but dude is tough as nails. Ain't nobody on our team gonna fight him basically is what I am saying. He adds intimidation.

[CadaverDawg]

We need someone to step up and be ?the guy?. Someone you know can get you a basket when you really need one. Q doesn?t seem to have it. Peters has talent but his head holds him back. I think little Spoon has it in him but he needs to take charge.

I agree. Nick Spoon is the guy

[HoopsDawg]

We are so incredibly sloppy and have been for 6 years

We play too many players! 10 guys in the first 7 minutes. Totally unnecessary.

[msstate7]

Ado, the savior, is not the 2nd coming of shaq we were promised by this board

[Dawg61]

This is why you don't schedule cupcakes for almost all your OOC games. Howland dropped the ball big time with the schedule this year. Very disappointed in him with that.

[Apoplectic]

Is this camera located in Kentucky? I can't see crap and I have a 70"!!! Nevermind probably won't be watching much longer

[CadaverDawg]

Down 12 on the road against a meh team. For anybody wondering why fan support hasn’t returned, it’s because most of our fans knew this is what we really are. That 8-0 confused some.

[MarketingBully]

This is on Howland man. No reason to have this much talent and looking like a JV team.

[MaroonFlounder]

Back to reality. This team has a long way to go. I see no postseason. Bad shots almost every trip down the court.

[Dawg61]

Ado, the savior, is not the 2nd coming of shaq we were promised by this board

Nobody promised that

[Maroonthirteen]

This is going to end up 80-40something. Talent? Haha. We have no post. Gosh they are way quicker and more physical.

[MarketingBully]

Shitty gameplan too. Why not increase the ball pressure if you’re going to play 11 players?

[msstate7]

Nobody promised that

Marketing did... ado was gonna be the greatest ever. Just trolling him haha

[LC Dawg]

At least we now know the Hump isn?t the cause of our horrible 3 point shooting.

[CarolinaDawgs]

LilSpoon is legit.

[MoreCowbell]

Howland just isn’t a very good coach. Great recruiter but horrible game planner. I haven’t seen anything in 3 years to make me think otherwise.

[MarketingBully]

This is going to wind up 80-40something. Gosh they are way quicker and more physical.

Nope. I don’t think that will happen but I think we lose by double digits. We look lost out there on offense like we haven’t practiced ever.

[Goldendawg]

Early, but just who is our best five to play "team ball", and who are the role players? Maybe playing too many players with similar abilities (or disabilities*). Most all know how to jack up three's.

[CadaverDawg]

We have some tall guys, but they’re soft and don’t get in position to rebound. We have guys that were all world shooters in high school, but can’t hit water if they fell out of a boat in college. But other than shooting, rebounding, and looking sharp we’re good at everything else.

[msstate7]

We have had craptastic droughts of play all year vs complete garbage teams... not sure why some here expected that to suddenly end on the road vs a solid team. We have struggled with rebounding in several games and cinci can rebound. This is exactly what this team needs... a kick in the balls to clean up our level of play

[Liverpooldawg]

This is why you don't schedule cupcakes for almost all your OOC games. Howland dropped the ball big time with the schedule this year. Very disappointed in him with that.

You schedule cupcakes if that's all you can beat. It look to me like Howland knew what he was doing, on that at least.

[Cloak]

LilSpoon is legit.

Yes he is.

Our inside game is killing us. If we learn to rebound, we will be dangerous. Until then, this team will not look good

[Dawg61]

Holman 13-20 on 3's now

[99jc]

LilSpoon is legit.

Nm

[MaroonFlounder]

I don’t know. LIL Spoon has been a turnover machine so far tonight

[msstate7]

Good defense

[CadaverDawg]

Ado needs to learn how to rotate

[Dawg61]

You schedule cupcakes if that's all you can beat. It look to me like Howland knew what he was doing, on that at least.

Developing players is a huge part of coaching. Scheduling dead meat doesn't develop shit.

[msstate7]

Does Q or Eli manning turn the ball over more?

[Liverpooldawg]

The problem is still the inside game. We basically don't have one.

[chef dixon]

I know both teams are 3-8 from 3 so far but it sure seems like ours have been straight luck and they have been hitting the open shot when appropriate. Must be nice.

[CarolinaDawgs]

We are fine imo.

[HoopsDawg]

Early, but just who is our best five to play "team ball", and who are the role players? Maybe playing too many players with similar abilities (or disabilities*). Most all know how to jack up three's.

100%. I listen to Howland postgame, he is obsessed with keeping players fresh. Consider the National Championship game. UNC played 8 guys, Gonzaga played 8 guys. Going further, each team played 4 guys 30+ minutes each. We need to settle on an 8 man rotation. Nick went to the bench too long and it cost us.

[CadaverDawg]

Developing players is a huge part of coaching. Scheduling dead meat doesn't develop shit.

True, but confidence is big too. If we played a difficult schedule, we’d be 3-5 and looking to baseball season. At least we’re still attentive 9 games in. Been a while, ha. That being said, you’re right that our schedule ends any chance at postseason bc our rpi will be shit.

[Liverpooldawg]

Developing players is a huge part of coaching. Scheduling dead meat doesn't develop shit.

Getting you brains beat in doesn't either. Until we develop an inside game we need cupcakes.

[Goldendawg]

So Peters is a lottery pick (who thought that?), and not even on the court much for us at this point. This team still looks like a bunch of AAU stars and not a one knows how to play basketball as a team sport.

[boot]

We look good on defense. Offense just needs to find some sort of identity.. We don?t look horrible though imo.

[MarketingBully]

Down by eight but the best way to beat Cincy is to turn them over. Gotta get steals and fast break opportunities. They are there as you can see. This is like playing A&M last year. They’re going to out board you but have to create turnovers to make up the difference.

[HoopsDawg]

Lord, Herard is in. That's 11 players we have played.

[msstate7]

Good rebound, x. Out of control shot. Telling you everything good he does, he cancels it out

[civildawg]

My god, we are just putrid on offense

[chef dixon]

Nice move from Schneider

[Dawg61]

AH 14-21

[HoopsDawg]

Herard can't cover that guy.

[MarketingBully]

Peters isn’t the same player.

[CadaverDawg]

Herard can't cover that guy.

Apparently nobody can

[CarolinaDawgs]

how do we get the Career guy every single time. This washington guy can't miss.

[msstate7]

Herard can't cover that guy.

No one on our team can. He had abused them all

[Goldendawg]

Didn't realize that Peters was 6'8", the way he drives into the trees out of control.

[civildawg]

Im done watching this crap fest. The howland honeymoon is over for me and i thought the hire was a grand slam at the time

[CarolinaDawgs]

peters just got mugged

[msstate7]

how do we get the Career guy every single time. This washington guy can't miss.

Our bigs are awful. Big men will feast all year.

[Liverpooldawg]

We are playing decent (nothing more) defense. The offense looks Rick Rayesque.

[Big4Dawg]

Jesus. We just don't play good basketball.

[CadaverDawg]

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[msstate7]

Big basket there by Holman

[HoopsDawg]

Holman with 12, the other 10 guys scored 13 combined.

[chef dixon]

Only forcing 4 fouls is pathetic. Ref has got to give Holman an and1 there

[MarketingBully]

Peters has to be our most disappointing player this year. This has to be a game he shines.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Wow Holman fouled on that dunk. No call.

[Dawg61]

Holman came to play, everyone else looks unsure of themselves

[CarolinaDawgs]

BLOW THE 17in whistle. thats an AND1 all damn day.

[LC Dawg]

Every time Peters enters the game he wants to immediately prove he?s a lottery pick. The kid has talent but someone is going to have to rein it in.

[Lord McBuckethead]

It's not over, but he looks to be struggling. Let's not run him into the ground.

[Goldendawg]

25 first half points, this team is really exciting.*

[HoopsDawg]

They have 3 good seniors, we have 0 seniors on the roster.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

They have 3 good seniors, we have 0 seniors on the roster.

and here come the excuses..

[msstate7]

Where did peters being a lottery pick start? Seriously? His dad or something?

[RougeDawg]

Herard does not need to play unless we have no one else left.

[chef dixon]

I just don't understand how we seem to have the worst hands of any basketball team you can watch

[HoopsDawg]

and here come the excuses..

My goodness, I'm one of the most vocal critics. That's just a fact.

[drunkernhelldawg]

I'm at work and just checked the score. Getting it down to ten gives me hope.

[Goldendawg]

Commentators making fun of our "strength of schedule", said it is 349 of 351. That's worse than cupcakes.

[HoopsDawg]

Herard does not need to play unless we have no one else left.

Shocking that he played. Datcher and Ado are clearly ahead of him at this point.

[Doggie_Style]

Commentators making fun of our "strength of schedule", aid it is 349 of 351. That's worse than cupcakes.

We look really bad, we are bad

[ZedFedder]

Peters dad passed away last year.

[drunkernhelldawg]

Commentators making fun of our "strength of schedule", said it is 349 of 351. That's worse than cupcakes.

I'm still viewing the 8-0 start as an accomplishment. Hell, we might even win this one.

[RougeDawg]

Where did peters being a lottery pick start? Seriously? His dad or something?

Not sure but wherever it came from has created a selfish non productive player. Reminds me of Jamont Gordan after he got a little props. Started trying to be Kobe instead of being a team guy.

We can?t hold on to the ball. Are we weak physically or just soft? Something is up.

[Goldendawg]

Even a loaded NBA team doesn't try to play 11 players in the first half. Looks like we are afraid that if everyone doesn't get to play, someone will pout or quit. We need to find a starting five and dependable role players.

[chef dixon]

I think the most frustrating thing is no one on our team is that much noticeably better than last year. Maybe Holman, but that's probably because his 3 is falling.

[msstate7]

Shocking that he played. Datcher and Ado are clearly ahead of him at this point.

But none are that good. With our schedule, I have no problem giving them all a shot. Herard has a stretch of games last year vs aTm, Kentucky, and OM (I think... 3 game stretch anyway) that was pretty dang good. That stretch is the most impressive any of the 3 have had so far.

[thf24]

We're a young team playing our first road game against a ranked opponent with a 31-game home winning streak. Probably should have admitted sooner this game would probably go this way.

Still plenty of season ahead, and time in this game for that matter. Anyone coming in and reading this thread would think we're down 30 right now; still a chance to make something happen down 10.

[MarketingBully]

It's not over, but he looks to be struggling. Let's not run him into the ground.

Run him into the ground? At some point, he has to face it that for whatever reason he’s sucking so he needs to help us otherways. He has to play at a high level in these games if we are going to get where we want to go. Howland is having to play Q at point even when Peters is in the game. This is borderline ridiculous.

[msstate7]

Peters dad passed away last year.

Substitute family member then... I meant no disrespect to his dad

[HoopsDawg]

But none are that good. With our schedule, I have no problem giving them all a shot. Herard has a stretch of games last year vs aTm, Kentucky, and OM (I think... 3 game stretch anyway) that was pretty dang good. That stretch is the most impressive any of the 3 have had so far.

You just can't play 11 guys msstate7. I've been telling you that for at least 3 years, probably since this board started.

[chef dixon]

Honestly I give Herard a chance to prove himself. He's got a year under his belt.

[Dawg61]

Where did peters being a lottery pick start? Seriously? His dad or something?

He lit it up in summer ball in Vegas where they play zero defense. It got him placed as a lottery pick on mock draft boards.

[MarketingBully]

Where did peters being a lottery pick start? Seriously? His dad or something?

His dad was murdered last year dude. Not cool.

[msstate7]

You just can't play 11 guys msstate7. I've been telling you that for at least 3 years, probably since this board started.

Howland says you can lol

[vv83]

His dad was murdered last year dude. Not cool.

Oh shut up he didn't know. Moving on

[HoopsDawg]

Not sure but wherever it came from has created a selfish non productive player. Reminds me of Jamont Gordan after he got a little props. Started trying to be Kobe instead of being a team guy.

We can?t hold on to the ball. Are we weak physically or just soft? Something is up.

The issue with Peters is 3 fold:
1) the 3 game suspension in the middle of this non-conference got him out of rhythm.
2) his 3 ain't falling
3)he's not sure of his role with Nick on the team. This team will be the best it can be with both of them on the court together. It's going to take some time for chemistry to develop.

[Dawg61]

You just can't play 11 guys msstate7. I've been telling you that for at least 3 years, probably since this board started.

I'd play all 13 guys if I was the coach but that's because I'd play 40 minutes of hell running and pressing style of basketball and try to exhaust the other team

[msstate7]

Oh shut up he didn't know. Moving on

I really didn?t. No disrespect to his dad

[Goldendawg]

Peters will be a out of control, turnover machine if he continues to drive into the teeth of their defense, into the lane. I know we have no seniors and the only junior is Q, correct? You can't try to play this many guys and be a "team". This looks like one of those all-star games, give up the ball and you don't see it again as someone jacks up a three. They don't know the definition of an offensive rebound or an assist.

[HoopsDawg]

I'd play all 13 guys if I was the coach but that's because I'd play 40 minutes of hell running and pressing style of basketball and try to exhaust the other team

Right, if you press all game, you can play all 11 scholarship players.

[LC Dawg]

We haven?t had everyone available due to injuries and suspensions so Howland is probably still trying to figure out some combinations and substitutions.

[Goldendawg]

Honest question. With Peters, Carter, and Nick on the team, why is Q playing the point so much?

[msstate7]

Ado cannot rebound

[Saltydog]

are rearing their ugly heads.

[Goldendawg]

So far, no one is interested in rebounding except Cincy,

[HoopsDawg]

This is just not a good game for Carter. Not strong enough to play in a game like this.

[MarketingBully]

Just let Cincy over the back and foul at will refs.

[LC Dawg]

I know it's working against us but I love to see a team that works it's ass off for offensive rebounds. That shows an effort for a team, not the selfishness often found in today's players.

[HoopsDawg]

I know it's working against us but I love to see a team that works it's ass off for offensive rebounds. That shows an effort for a team, not the selfishness often found in today's players.

Agree, Clark is a man and Holman can't keep him off the boards. Wish we could go Datcher and Ado.

[Goldendawg]

Rebounding is about blocking out, hard work, and heart. Way down the list from shooting three's as soon as it hits your hands.

[BayouDawg]

The most discouraging thing is how unorganized we look on offense. It looks like Howland just grabbed 5 random guys off the street 30 min before the game.

[MarketingBully]

We won’t win not applying ball pressure against them.

[Saltydog]

from his frosh. year. Just hasn't.

[Goldendawg]

Not a random 5 guys, about 11, of whom for some reason we still don't know who should play together, so just play them all.

[msstate7]

Out the TO, and we get that 3 shot. Damn howland

[Goldendawg]

And there goes Peters, driving the lane on a much bigger player.

[msstate7]

Peters is terrible. Sorry, he just is

[Dawg61]

Starting to think Howland's success at Northern Arizona and Pitt was because of Jamie Dixon more so than Howland. Dixon was Howland's #1 assistant at both places and then replaced Howland at Pitt and had them in the NCAA tourney 11 of 13 seasons. Dixon has now won the NIT with TCU in his first year and has them 10-0 and ranked #14 right now in his 2nd season. Something to consider. UCLA is UCLA. Anyone can win there honestly.

[BayouDawg]

Good hustle by peters there. Why is our ball movement so pathetic? I just don?t understand how a player can make it to the college level without understanding ball movement. Oh and they wouldn?t know what a box out is if it punched em in the nuts.

[HoopsDawg]

Peters is terrible. Sorry, he just is

He's playing terrible, but he's not terrible.

[HoopsDawg]

X is not a good offensive player. He had Peters for a wide open 3.

[Goldendawg]

They have about 13 assists. I wonder how few we have at this point.

[msstate7]

X is not a good player.

Fify

[BayouDawg]

It?s year 3 and I still have no idea what Howland is trying to do offensively. It?s getting ridiculous at this point.

[PMDawg]

Playing out about like I expected. Unfortunately. We just have no offensive identity and we can't rebound. Looking like more of the same as what we've seen the last 2 years.

[msstate7]

They have about 13 assists. I wonder how few we have at this point.

2 assists 46 TOs... or something close lol

[Dawg61]

Good hustle by peters there. Why is our ball movement so pathetic? I just don?t understand how a player can make it to the college level without understanding ball movement. Oh and they wouldn?t know what a box out is if it punched em in the nuts.

This is what happens when you only sign players from the South. We are basketball dumb.

[MarketingBully]

He's playing terrible, but he's not terrible.

That’s much much much much worse. He single handedly led us to this hole with his selfish play. Could be an 8 point deficit but he has made it 15.

[LC Dawg]

Peters obviously has talent. With him getting less pt it seems he wants to make something happen every time he touches the ball instead of waiting for an opportunity. He's truthfully a liability right now and the coaching staff has got to figure out what to do about it.

[maroonmania]

Cincinnati plays defense like I wish we would. Cincy gets open looks on most trips because somebody always loses their man. Howland has upgraded our talent but we are not a well coached team.

[BayouDawg]

This is what happens when you only sign players from the South. We are basketball dumb.

I wish the AAU circuit would be done away with or at least get better coaching. All it is is street ball.

[HoopsDawg]

bad pass by Peters but bad play by Nick too.

[Dawg61]

Finally get a wide open dunk for Herard and the ref blows the whistle to stop it

[MarketingBully]

Peters let’s his guy go by him then a shitty pass inbounds for the 19 point deficit.

[PMDawg]

We are not a well coached team.

[MarketingBully]

Even John Thompson recognizes our selfish play.

[CarolinaDawgs]

this guy refusing to blow the whistle. damn

[Lord McBuckethead]

Alright. Our team isn't there yet. No where close. Got to work better.

[HoopsDawg]

Man, what is going on with peter's shot?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Also Everytime we get close to an easy flush, the ref blows the whistle. Everytime our guy gets mugged. No whistle.

[CarolinaDawgs]

wasn't Lamar an elite shooter?

[Liverpooldawg]

Playing out about like I expected. Unfortunately. We just have no offensive identity and we can't rebound. Looking like more of the same as what we've seen the last 2 years.

Yep.

[Dawg61]

Peters is 6-36 shooting 3's this year, what the ****

[msstate7]

Why not move nick to point?

[Goldendawg]

The late, great, Pistol Pete Maravich could outscore this team by himself.

[MarketingBully]

Making a run and guess what...Peters on the bench.

[Dawg61]

52-39 UC for all those wondering what the score is, 8 min left. Hey UCLA came back on aTm 44-11 in football. We have seen crazier shit

[CarolinaDawgs]

Nick is BY FAR the best player.

[LC Dawg]

Man, what is going on with peter's shot?
I'd leave him in and tell him as long as he takes good shots to keep shooting it. He's got to get some confidence on his shot.

[Lord McBuckethead]

The hustle level has been low too. Not really sure what our goal is on offense either.

[HoopsDawg]

Making a run and guess what...Peters on the bench.

what's the +/- with Peters on the bench?

[MarketingBully]

I'd leave him in and tell him as long as he takes good shots to keep shooting it. He's got to get some confidence on his shot.

Do that and we lose this game by 30.

[HailState39110]

Peters needs to sit tonight . Not sure what is going on but he just doesn't have it right now

[Goldendawg]

Was Peters or Nick a point guard in H.S.?

[Dawg61]

Was Peters or Nick a point guard in H.S.?

They both were PG in HS. Nick 5* Peters 4*

[HoopsDawg]

Was Peters or Nick a point guard in H.S.?

Nick was a PG, Peters was a 2 guard his whole career until last year.

[LC Dawg]

Do that and we lose this game by 30.

I figured we were gonna do that anyway but this run gives me hope.

[drunkernhelldawg]

Down to 11. Lot of time left.

[MarketingBully]

what's the +/- with Peters on the bench?

Not sure but I like that lineup he has in there right now. Of course he will change it though because he loves to sub like crazy but Peters has led to Cincy spurts. I know there was an 11 point swing where we could have cut it to 8 but because of Peters’ selfishness it ballooned to 19.

[msstate7]

Just finish strong, dawgs...

[MarketingBully]

5 turnovers 0 points difference in the game. Peters.

[HailState39110]

Am I reading this right, but Peters stats right now are 0-9 (0-5 3FG) with 5 TO . I'm not trying to bash the kid but that is the difference in the game

[HoopsDawg]

Q passed on a wide open 3 to take a fall away, tough 2. Pitful.

[msstate7]

Our bigs are so overmatched

[CarolinaDawgs]

Ado would be awesome if he knew how to rebound or dunk.

[CadaverDawg]

Q passed on a wide open 3 to take a fall away, tough 2. Pitful.

Just awful decisions

[HoopsDawg]

Am I reading this right, but Peters stats right now are 0-9 (0-5 3FG) with 5 TO . I'm not trying to bash the kid but that is the difference in the game

afraid so. got to get him going in the next few non conference games.

[MarketingBully]

If Peters doesn’t play tonight, this is a five point or less game.

[msstate7]

Ado would be awesome if he knew how to rebound or dunk.

You mean 2 of the main 2 things a big man should do? Lol

[Dawgology]

I’m utterly devastated. I was sure we would be up 20 on the #25 team in the nation at their house. We are a terrible team.**

[msstate7]

Keep shooting peters... you are a terrible team player

[CadaverDawg]

Give me Clark over anybody on the court and I’ll win. He is the difference hustling and getting offensive boards

[chef dixon]

At least we are making the degenerates sweat

[HoopsDawg]

Keep shooting peters... you are a terrible team player

This same dude scored 25 against Fox and UK last year.

[MarketingBully]

Peters now 0-6 with 5 turnovers still and I’d be willing to bet those turnovers all of them led to points.

[CarolinaDawgs]

Give me Clark over anybody on the court and I?ll win. He is the difference hustling and getting offensive boards

completely agree, but there is skill to rebounding. Ado has none. Plenty big, plenty strong--cant read the ball in the air to save his life.

[BayouDawg]

Keep shooting peters... you are a terrible team player

The coach allows it obviously

[parabrave]

WTF is holman doing out with only one foul? Dam Howland are you on purpose trying to lose this game?

[MarketingBully]

This same dude scored 25 against Fox and UK last year.

Doesn’t matter. He’s been absolutely terrible this year.

[HoopsDawg]

Give me Clark over anybody on the court and I’ll win. He is the difference hustling and getting offensive boards

Yeah, he's a Brandon Vincent type 4. That's the 4 I like. Nowadays everyone is playing a stretch 4.

[CarolinaDawgs]

You mean 2 of the main 2 things a big man should do? Lol


Exactly haha

[MaroonFlounder]

Holman and Tyson Carter should be the only guys shooting 3s.

[Goldendawg]

How many assists do we have?

[HoopsDawg]

Peters now 0-6 with 5 turnovers still and I’d be willing to bet those turnovers all of them led to points.

He's actually 0-10.

[msstate7]

This same dude scored 25 against Fox and UK last year.

Herard scored 16 on tyler Davis last season. You wanna bench him. Peters, nor herard are helping this team this year though

[LC Dawg]

We?ve got to let Peters keep shooting through the OOC games but if he doesn?t shake whatever it is that?s going on by conference play he?s got to sit. He?s always been a little out of control but his shot completely going away is perplexing. He?s driven wildly tonight but his shot selection hasn?t really been bad tonight. He just can?t get it to go in.

[MarketingBully]

Six turnovers...

[HoopsDawg]

Wow, another turnover from Peters. 0-10, 7 turnovers.

[MarketingBully]

We?ve got to let Peters keep shooting through the OOC games but if he doesn?t shake whatever it is that?s going on by conference play he?s got to sit. He?s always been a little out of control but his shot completely going away is perplexing. He?s driven wildly tonight but his shot selection hasn?t really been bad tonight. He just can?t get it to go in.

That’s a recipe for disaster.

[the59dawg]

Making a run and guess what...Peters on the bench.

The way he is playing he should stay there. He is totally out of control. Where did he go?

[MarketingBully]

Why not have our starting five out there right now? This is embarrassing.

[CarolinaDawgs]

We won't beat anybody shooting 29%

[MarketingBully]

Peters two fouls leads to five Cincy points.

[Goldendawg]

50 points.