MSU Hoops vs Cincy game thread...

[MaroonFlounder]

The Hump shall remain empty.

[HailState39110]

Can someone tell me why he is still playing right now when he is a liability on the court ?

[HoopsDawg]

Expected loss, but really poor showing. We weren't really competitive.

[Political Hack]

Our bigs were outmatched, our G’s didn’t play well, and Cincy is a good team.

[MarketingBully]

We won't beat anybody shooting 29%

You take out Peters, this is a competive game and a possible win. Peters single handedly lost us this game. 0-11, 7 turnovers, two fouls at the end that led to five freethrow makes.

[MarketingBully]

Our bigs were outmatched, our G’s didn’t play well, and Cincy is a good team.

If Peters never plays tonight, this is a possible win.

[Dawg61]

Can we hire Jason Williams for coach. He gets it.

[Goldendawg]

But, what? About 11 of our players get a participation trophy for playing tonight?***

[HoopsDawg]

Can someone tell me why he is still playing right now when he is a liability on the court ?

we have to have him this year. I agree with LC Dawg. We have 4 non conference games left. I would start him at off guard and see how he does. If he doesn't get it together by conference play, he is going to have to go to the bench.

[Maroonthirteen]

Well, we fought and kept it close than what I thought the final
Score would be. However we need another year of maturity and some weight room work.

[parabrave]

Well since we don't even try to get the fall underneath or can't we might as well go back to the Stans 5 guard playbook, We get on Peters but Ado has been either a turnover machine of just plain clueless the last 5 games. Until we have confidence in the big men down under this team won't get very far.

[Political Hack]

But, what? About 11 of our players get a participation trophy for playing tonight?***

I laughed. That?s crazy. I understand they?re pressing, but it?s really hard to get into a rhythm breaking a full court press when you keep changing people wholsale like that.

[Cooterpoot]

Our Basketball program sucks. More of the same old crap.

[Goldendawg]

I played in high school a long time ago. Can any of you ex-coaches tell who should perhaps be the starters on this "team", and who should come off the bench? Is Howland playing almost all the scholarship players in OOC games still looking for these type answers. It's a two hour ride for my 16 year old son and I to go to the Hump, but I would do it if there is a good chance of a hard working "team", not AAU ball.

[Political Hack]

Well since we don't even try to get the fall underneath or can't we might as well go back to the Stans 5 guard playbook, We get on Peters but Ado has been either a turnover machine of just plain clueless the last 5 games. Until we have confidence in the big men down under this team won't get very far.

Ado is a presence on defense that we absolutely have to have. They barely hit 60 tonight. Our defense is ok and he’s a big part of that. We do need to improve offensively though. He needs to set screens, be able to play inside out with the ball in his hands, and hit the boards on offense because he can’t on defense (his role is to block shots).

[the59dawg]

You take out Peters, this is a competive game and a possible win. Peters single handedly lost us this game. 0-11, 7 turnovers, two fouls at the end that led to five freethrow makes.

He was just awful or pitiful whichever applies

[MarketingBully]

Well since we don't even try to get the fall underneath or can't we might as well go back to the Stans 5 guard playbook, We get on Peters but Ado has been either a turnover machine of just plain clueless the last 5 games. Until we have confidence in the big men down under this team won't get very far.

And yet we still have a big time chance to win if Peters never plays...

[Political Hack]

I played in high school a long time ago. Can any of you ex-coaches tell who should perhaps be the starters on this "team", and who should come off the bench? Is Howland playing almost all the scholarship players in OOC games still looking for these type answers. It's a two hour ride for my 16 year old son and I to go to the Hump, but I would do it if there is a good chance of a hard working "team", not AAU ball.

If it were me:
Ado
Holman
Q
Nick
Tyson

Lamar (1/2 combo off bench)
Herard (4/5 off bench)
Datcher (if any bigs get in foul trouble, early or late).

Once you see who’s hot between Ty and Q, they play and the other rotates with Peters. Our trouble is our offensive sets. They need more disciplined plays in my opinion. We can’t find a rhythm moving the ball in a half court set. Q is the only one that moves decent without the ball in a half court set, and when that happens it’s fast break or bust.

[Dawg61]

And yet we still have a big time chance to win if Peters never plays...

Peters is in a fragile spot mentally right now. He is incredibly talented. Howland can't bench him completely or he'll lose him forever. A win vs Cincy isn't worth losing Peters for good. He is that fragile right now. I really hope he can pull through this. Going 0-10 can't be fun a week after almost quitting.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Its not all Lamar Peters fault. Lay off the guy. We dont win this one even if he played decent, theyve won 31 straight home games. This team will be a different team in a few weeks, but at the same time they havent shown enough to ''pack the hump'' dont blame anyone for choosing to watch it on TV

[RougeDawg]

I played in high school a long time ago. Can any of you ex-coaches tell who should perhaps be the starters on this "team", and who should come off the bench? Is Howland playing almost all the scholarship players in OOC games still looking for these type answers. It's a two hour ride for my 16 year old son and I to go to the Hump, but I would do it if there is a good chance of a hard working "team", not AAU ball.

This is exactly why the crowds at home have been lacking!!!! 5 individuals on the court at all times. Pathetic. That schedule that J William was laughing at during halftime is the only reason we were undefeated before tonight. Going to need a huge turnaround and improvement to make any tournament.

Either Howland cannot coach any longer or these AAU guys are not coachable. Got to be one or the other.

[Goldendawg]

I bet we didn't have 5 assists, could be wrong.

[HoopsDawg]

I played in high school a long time ago. Can any of you ex-coaches tell who should perhaps be the starters on this "team", and who should come off the bench? Is Howland playing almost all the scholarship players in OOC games still looking for these type answers. It's a two hour ride for my 16 year old son and I to go to the Hump, but I would do it if there is a good chance of a hard working "team", not AAU ball.

Ideally, it would be
PG: Nick
G: Peters
G: Q
4: Holman
5: Ado

Bring Carter, Datcher, and X off the bench with Carter logging starters minutes. We can't give up on Peters yet.

[msstate7]

I bet we didn't have 5 assists, could be wrong.

9 assists, 16 TOs

Anyone remember the last time we had a positive assists to TO ratio vs a good team?

[Goldendawg]

Didn't we win a couple of those first 8 games (strength of schedule 349) on buzzer beaters by Q?

[Percho]

Is this camera located in Kentucky? I can't see crap and I have a 70"!!! Nevermind probably won't be watching much longer

I have a 65 and moved a chair half between my couch and the 65.

[MarketingBully]

Its not all Lamar Peters fault. Lay off the guy. We dont win this one even if he played decent, theyve won 31 straight home games. This team will be a different team in a few weeks, but at the same time they havent shown enough to ''pack the hump'' dont blame anyone for choosing to watch it on TV

There’s a difference between struggling and helping your team in places you can help them and playing selfishly. He played selfishly tonight. Look at his stats. 0-11 6 turnovers and 2 assists? Really? And one rebound....

[HoopsDawg]

Holman and Nick each played 26 minutes. That can't happen. Both need to be averaging 30+. It's time to cut down the rotation.

[HoopsDawg]

There’s a difference between struggling and helping your team in places you can help them and playing selfishly. He played selfishly tonight. Look at his stats. 0-11 6 turnovers and 2 assists? Really? And one rebound....

Q and Peters were 3-23 combined. Everyone would have said those are our 2 best players heading into the season. I wouldn't mind us cutting Q's minutes a little.

[Goldendawg]

Now watching "The Curse of Oak Island". They will find the gold before we make the NCAA in basketball again!*** Hail State!

[parabrave]

Peters is in a fragile spot mentally right now. He is incredibly talented. Howland can't bench him completely or he'll lose him forever. A win vs Cincy isn't worth losing Peters for good. He is that fragile right now. I really hope he can pull through this. Going 0-10 can't be fun a week after almost quitting.

This isn't 17ing tee ball.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Look. Tough loss. Lots of coaching moments out there. We need to figure out who we are. Our defense is looking good, but we have to find a game on the offensive side of the court. Do we know how to play on the interior? Do we know how to cut to the basket? That is what I am looking for. Yeah they were playing a matchup zone. Got to find a way to get the ball in and kick out to a shooter. This team has to figure out what they are even wanting to do on the offense to side of the ball. Right now it's Jack a three or drive into heavy traffic. Got to figure it out.

[HailState39110]

This isn't 17ing tee ball.

Peters is talented . I agree with most that we have 4 non conf games that we will be favored in to see if he can get out of this . Let's continue to support the kid and hopefully he and the coaches can come to a place where they are both satisfied with his effort and play once conference play starts .

[Wet Dawg]

Peters is in a fragile spot mentally right now. He is incredibly talented. Howland can't bench him completely or he'll lose him forever. A win vs Cincy isn't worth losing Peters for good. He is that fragile right now. I really hope he can pull through this. Going 0-10 can't be fun a week after almost quitting.

This is laughable! What?s this fragile shit? He?s a ball player going through a rough spell. Yes...he?s got some growing up to do. But this is big boy ball. Time to pull up his britches and go to work. But it?s not Peters fault we lost. We lost because we can?t block out, we aren?t physical in the post, and our passes are lazy and off pace. Our transition is lackluster and we don?t have good vision. We have good pieces but the chemistry is off and we don?t look comfortable. This is all on Howland. We need to get back to basics and quit throwing up bullshit shots.

[Dawg61]

This isn't 17ing tee ball.


This is laughable! What?s this fragile shit? He?s a ball player going through a rough spell. Yes...he?s got some growing up to do. But this is big boy ball. Time to pull up his britches and go to work. But it?s not Peters fault we lost. We lost because we can?t block out, we aren?t physical in the post, and our passes are lazy and off pace. Our transition is lackluster and we don?t have good vision. We have good pieces but the chemistry is off and we don?t look comfortable. This is all on Howland. We need to get back to basics and quit throwing up bullshit shots.

His dad was murdered last year. Seriously cut him some slack he will figure it out it's just gonna take a sec. He's our most talented player. Gotta play him to get him outta this funk.