It's time to go "All In."

[War Machine Dawg]

These so-called "penalties" are a joke. 13 total scholarships is completely worth it. We need to fire Bracky this afternoon and begin putting our own Network in place. The NCAA is done and the Wild West Era is here. Market value for croots is now the norm. Holy shit, I never thought I'd see the day.

[ScoobaDawg]

If you think what all UM went through and is going to lose is worth it.. I don't know what to tell you. It's not and won't happen here.

[Dawgology]

Agreed. It’s time to play the game. Basically, keep it under LOIC and down to a handful of Level 1’s and you’re looking at maybe a 10 or less scholarship reduction and a couple years probation. VERY worth it for championship and Playoff berth. VERY.

[SheltonChoked]

These so-called "penalties" are a joke. 13 total scholarships is completely worth it. We need to fire Bracky this afternoon and begin putting our own Network in place. The NCAA is done and the Wild West Era is here. Market value for croots is now the norm. Holy shit, I never thought I'd see the day.

I agree WMD. Time to go all in.

[DudyDawg]

I dont have much, but will gladly donate to the slush fund.

[Dawgology]

If you think what all UM went through and is going to lose is worth it.. I don't know what to tell you. It's not and won't happen here.

What did they lose? Because I learned from this: don’t mess with academics but everything else pretty much goes. 15 Level 1’s and LOIC and they lose 13 scholarships??? Hahahahahahaha. Keep it under 5 Level 1’s and go win your Natty. It’s a done deal. This ruling will absolutely change the landscape of the SEC and amateur athletics. Mark it down on your calendar. It’s the day. EVERYTHING changed.

[SheltonChoked]

What did they lose? Because I learned from this: don’t mess with academics but everything else pretty much goes. 15 Level 1’s and LOIC and they lose 13 scholarships??? Hahahahahahaha. Keep it under 5 Level 1’s and go win your Natty. It’s a done deal. This ruling will absolutely change the landscape of the SEC and amateur athletics. Mark it down on your calendar. It’s the day. EVERYTHING changed.

It's even worse than that. There is no incentive to stop cheating when you get caught. Just keep it going...

[Maroonthirteen]

If y?all need a bag man, PM me. I like to go to the high school games. Hahahaha!

[civildawg]

Agreed, keep it under 10 Level 1's and get a 6-7 scholarship reduction and move on.

[Irondawg]

It's not what you want as the precedent case I wouldn't think but it's what they went with. The only reason it was so bad for OM is because they fought it so hard. If they would have taken some medicine early it would have been much less of an ordeal.

Guess we'll never know if they way they fought it had any impact or not, but at first glance it would appear that while we all though they were handling it the worst way possible that it might have helped.

[Johnson85]

What did they lose? Because I learned from this: don’t mess with academics but everything else pretty much goes. 15 Level 1’s and LOIC and they lose 13 scholarships??? Hahahahahahaha. Keep it under 5 Level 1’s and go win your Natty. It’s a done deal. This ruling will absolutely change the landscape of the SEC and amateur athletics. Mark it down on your calendar. It’s the day. EVERYTHING changed.

The process was the punishment. Still relatively light, but not nothing.

If you have a really good administration and coach, going all in may not be the right way to go. But otherwise, yes, you go all in.

[msstate7]

I dont have much, but will gladly donate to the slush fund.

I am in charge. I will get you my PayPal in a few**

[DudyDawg]

I am in charge. I will get you my PayPal in a few**

Haha, I was going to say that Im firing up a GoFundMe and taking payments! Any State fans feel free to donate..

[MeridianDog]

These so-called "penalties" are a joke. 13 total scholarships is completely worth it. We need to fire Bracky this afternoon and begin putting our own Network in place. The NCAA is done and the Wild West Era is here. Market value for croots is now the norm. Holy shit, I never thought I'd see the day.

We must and will run an ethical program. If you think we would get the same penalties as OM and that would make it worth cheating, then I feel sorry for you.

We have the coach now. We have a class that will pull recruits. If OM continues to thumb their noses at NCAA they will get hit again. It is that simple.

Any thinker would assume they will get it again in the next three years. The NCAA more or less said they have a culture of cheating and that it will cause more sanctions when the continue cheating (not if, when).

[Westdawg]

If you think what all UM went through and is going to lose is worth it.. I don't know what to tell you. It's not and won't happen here.


Scoops, the only way this goes bad for them in any way is if they have a mass exodus of transfers. And with this news today, you can all but guarantee that ain?t gonna happen.
You?re right - it won?t happen here. We might as well be ready to be 12-14th in the league each year. We as a body of ppl at MSU have more character than to cheat - even if everyone around us does it. It?s a travesty. Honestly I think I am done with college sports after this.


It's even worse than that. There is no incentive to stop cheating when you get caught. Just keep it going...

You?re right Shelton. The NCAA just showed everyone that they have no teeth or desire to stop this. The COI states that there is a culture within the entire OM population of cheating and corruption - and they still did nothing to put a stop to it.

You know what ?? I do think it?s time for the P5 to break away. But you can bet that they do t want to after this decision was handed down. Now they can all do what they want with no real repercussions for this actions. No accountability.

[Perpetual Underachiever]

I would like to officially apply to be a bagman. My Venmo, Paypal, and Bitcoin accounts are all open for donations.

[NCDawg]

I thought it wouldn't be as bad as many people on here thought. Constant messaging by some posters about how bad Ole Miss was going to be hammered. Turns out we had just as bad, if not worse, penalties under the minor infractions when Bob Tyler was coach.

[DudyDawg]

I would like to officially apply to be a bagman. My Venmo, Paypal, and Bitcoin accounts are all open for donations.

Lemme holler at some of your bitcoin my man..

[was21]

I thought it wouldn't be as bad as many people on here thought. Constant messaging by some posters about how bad Ole Miss was going to be hammered. Turns out we had just as bad, if not worse, penalties under the minor infractions when Bob Tyler was coach.

For damn sure

[Ezsoil]

I agree had I known Cam Newton was the difference maker in a natty, I'd been all over that....the MSU defense was far better than Auburn's.

[NCDawg]

I agree had I known Cam Newton was the difference maker in a natty, I'd been all over that....the MSU defense was far better than Auburn's.

In hindsight, we should have paid the 300k. The NCAA probably would have said that since we paid Newton's Dad, and not Cam Newton and Cam didn't know about it, it was still a minor infraction and we would lose 2 scholarships for the next year.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

It's not what you want as the precedent case I wouldn't think but it's what they went with. The only reason it was so bad for OM is because they fought it so hard. If they would have taken some medicine early it would have been much less of an ordeal.

Guess we'll never know if they way they fought it had any impact or not, but at first glance it would appear that while we all though they were handling it the worst way possible that it might have helped.

And the fact that this investigation/violations were very similar to previous investigations into their athletic department.

[Dawg61]

These so-called "penalties" are a joke. 13 total scholarships is completely worth it. We need to fire Bracky this afternoon and begin putting our own Network in place. The NCAA is done and the Wild West Era is here. Market value for croots is now the norm. Holy shit, I never thought I'd see the day.


Calling you a dumbass for seriously suggesting this is an insult to dumbasses everywhere. You must have absolutely zero morality. I'm ashamed you associate yourself with my university. I'd become a fan of Northern Miss before I supported a school that hired Briles.

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[Political Hack]

Auburn booster once said ?yeah, we go on probation from time to time, but we also win a national championship from time to time.?

$200,000 brought their school a $20,000,000 pay day and a national championship. Think about that.

[Political Hack]

In hindsight, we should have paid the 300k. The NCAA probably would have said that since we paid Newton's Dad, and not Cam Newton and Cam didn't know about it, it was still a minor infraction and we would lose 2 scholarships for the next year.

He would’ve come to State for $180,000. That’s where that number comes from. That’s what he allegedly told one of our guys, who turned it in and didn’t mess with it. Auburn reportedly ponied up $200,000.

[Dawg61]

Any of you morons trying to follow Ole Miss lead are likely gonna get bent by big ass Moorhead. Big Joe has no clue about these shady ways and won't be participating in them one bit or allowing our football program to. Go join the Rebel fan base if you wanna cut corners to hang a 3-42 Peach Bowl banner.

[DownwardDawg]

Any of you morons trying to follow Ole Miss lead are likely gonna get bent by big ass Moorhead. Big Joe has no clue about these shady ways and won't be participating in them one bit or allowing our football program to. Go join the Rebel fan base if you wanna cut corners to hang a 3-42 Peach Bowl banner.

I agree. I would love to win a Natty, but you can tell Coach Moorhead will not take part or tolerate any shady recruiting tactics.

[thf24]

This thread is ridiculous. They didn't get hit quite as hard as we were hoping, but this will still set them back 3-5 years, and more importantly, it sets them up to get nuked for real if they continue operating the same way that got them to this morning. You'd better believe the NCAA isn't taking its eye off Oxford anytime soon, and they will take notice if they haven't slowed down as rumored. The position they're now in is absolutely not worth the short-term success they got out of it.

[Liverpooldawg]

The thing that is going to hurt them worse than anything is that recruits now know that UM records everything they do and say and they WILL try to blackmail or punish you if you go somewhere else. A lot people won't even talk to them now. I still can't believe they intentionally let THAT get out.

[NCDawg]

Any of you morons trying to follow Ole Miss lead are likely gonna get bent by big ass Moorhead. Big Joe has no clue about these shady ways and won't be participating in them one bit or allowing our football program to. Go join the Rebel fan base if you wanna cut corners to hang a 3-42 Peach Bowl banner.

I agree, and was being facetious in my previous post about paying Cam Newton's Dad. Just pisses me off that some schools get away with cheating, and pay little or no consequences.

[BulldogDX55]

The thing that is going to hurt them worse than anything is that recruits now know that UM records everything they do and say and they WILL try to blackmail or punish you if you go somewhere else. A lot people won't even talk to them now. I still can't believe they intentionally let THAT get out.

I really think this is the only truly good part about all of this.

[FISHDAWG]

What did they lose? Because I learned from this: don?t mess with academics but everything else pretty much goes. 15 Level 1?s and LOIC and they lose 13 scholarships??? Hahahahahahaha. Keep it under 5 Level 1?s and go win your Natty. It?s a done deal. This ruling will absolutely change the landscape of the SEC and amateur athletics. Mark it down on your calendar. It?s the day. EVERYTHING changed.

that's less than one schollie per each lev-1 violation

[I_Spy]

I'm glad cam Akers was smart enough. Clinton!

Instead of blackmails and public humiliation people going after your parents - for Ole Miss for f*cks sake

Florida state all day

Same school that records themselves with Bong masks and joints until the day before signing day - all captured by ole miss folk. Saving it to use later.

[FISHDAWG]

This thread is ridiculous. They didn't get hit quite as hard as we were hoping, but this will still set them back 3-5 years, and more importantly, it sets them up to get nuked for real if they continue operating the same way that got them to this morning. You'd better believe the NCAA isn't taking its eye off Oxford anytime soon, and they will take notice if they haven't slowed down as rumored. The position they're now in is absolutely not worth the short-term success they got out of it.

I've grown weary and apprehensive about hearing what the NCAA will do

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

They didn't get hit quite as hard as we were hoping, but this will still set them back 3-5 years, and more importantly, it sets them up to get nuked for real if they continue operating the same way that got them to this morning. You'd better believe the NCAA isn't taking its eye off Oxford anytime soon, and they will take notice if they haven't slowed down as rumored.

Do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy? The NCAA showed today they won’t do a damn thing to the dirtiest program in the NCAA.

[DudyDawg]

I dont understand the "character" thing as far as our or any program not paying.... Buying hookers for kids, I admit, is a hell of a character flaw... Giving kids money to come to your school doesn't condemn you to eternal damnation... thats just the game nowadays. They should be getting paid anyways (argument for another day), and all the elite recruits are going to get financial offers, so I dont see how its some sort of character flaw.

[DudyDawg]

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Paying kids =/= what Art Briles did.... stupid to equate the two

[I_Spy]

I'm saying they bought out the NCAA.

Just like ole miss people probably took drug photos that leaked. All OM affiliated.

[I_Spy]

Wasn't it a public phone university ties that he called escorts.

I mean trac phone $20 15 for some minutes

[MadDawg]

Someone needs to do a public records request and get Hugh's complete contact list. We need to change the way we 'croot.

Hell, now that I think of it, just hire Freeze as an assistant.

[TrapGame]

Guys, we suck at cheating. It's never going to happen other than some gray area stuff - maybe. MSU will never do what OM did. Never.

[War Machine Dawg]

I dont understand the "character" thing as far as our or any program not paying.... Buying hookers for kids, I admit, is a hell of a character flaw... Giving kids money to come to your school doesn't condemn you to eternal damnation... thats just the game nowadays. They should be getting paid anyways (argument for another day), and all the elite recruits are going to get financial offers, so I dont see how its some sort of character flaw.


Paying kids =/= what Art Briles did.... stupid to equate the two

Someone gets it. Get the maroon backpacks stuffed posthaste. It's anything goes now. The NCAA will bluster and ultimately do absolutely nothing. Today proves beyond all doubt they have absolutely no intention of upsetting the gravy train. Play the game or be content with being terrible. Those are now the choices. The middle ground is no longer an option.

[DudyDawg]

Guys, we suck at cheating. It's never going to happen other than some gray area stuff - maybe. MSU will never do what OM did. Never.

I know, but it is fun to joke about... especially with some of these other posters freaking out right now

[DudyDawg]

Someone gets it. Get the maroon backpacks stuffed posthaste. It's anything goes now. The NCAA will bluster and ultimately do absolutely nothing. Today proves beyond all doubt they have absolutely no intention of upsetting the gravy train. Play the game or be content with being terrible. Those are now the choices. The middle ground is no longer an option.

This result is more damning to the NCAA than OM... I really dont see how they can keep up the charade of amateurism much longer

[Political Hack]

This thread is ridiculous. They didn't get hit quite as hard as we were hoping, but this will still set them back 3-5 years, and more importantly, it sets them up to get nuked for real if they continue operating the same way that got them to this morning. You'd better believe the NCAA isn't taking its eye off Oxford anytime soon, and they will take notice if they haven't slowed down as rumored. The position they're now in is absolutely not worth the short-term success they got out of it.

I agree.

Media hates their former little media darling for lying to them.

Kids got lied to (thank you Mr Mars).

Fans are mad at coaches and administration.

Another year of a bowl ban.

Sr’s can transfer without permission. Underclassmen can seek a waiver from the NCAA. And Tom Mars has a get out of jail free card to boot.

Lost some scholarships (number of which was the only disappointing part to me).

They’re in repeat offender status during the two biggest and most talented recruiting cycles the state of MS has seen in a while.

They have to vacate their wins, including bowl wins and any hardware or promotional materials from them.

Oh, and this is most important in my opinion, State doesn’t have to cheat to compete if Ole Miss isn’t buying players. If they’re clean, State can be clean.

[War Machine Dawg]

This result is more damning to the NCAA than OM... I really dont see how they can keep up the charade of amateurism much longer

Fair point, Dudy. Like I said, it shows the NCAA has no intention of upsetting the gravy train. It's anything goes now, because they aren't going to make any serious effort to stop it.

[redstickdawg]

This result is more damning to the NCAA than OM... I really dont see how they can keep up the charade of amateurism much longer

I was attacked on here after the UNCC investigation as I said that the NCAA would do nothing to om, and that is exactly what the NCAA has done nothing. They certainly didn't even come close to following their matrix or any other BS system that they have published.

Let the money flow.

[Dawg61]

Someone gets it. Get the maroon backpacks stuffed posthaste. It's anything goes now. The NCAA will bluster and ultimately do absolutely nothing. Today proves beyond all doubt they have absolutely no intention of upsetting the gravy train. Play the game or be content with being terrible. Those are now the choices. The middle ground is no longer an option.

Ole Miss is dead for minimum five years.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Some of yall are pathetic

[BB30]

Hell no. You do things the right way. Why sink to their level? We have bitched about them for several years now cheating calling them cheaters/scum/dirty. I don't want MSU to be looked at that way.We should continue to build the program the correct way. Look we actually have a very solid foundation and won't go through 5 years of hell (hopefully barring our new coach is as good as he seems to be). They couldn't even win the west despite all of the cheating. I am also of the belief that doing what they did builds poor team chemistry/ work ethic. This is why they will never win anything of note.

The reality is they are going to more than likely have 3-4 losing seasons in a row. That will damage their recruiting just as much as the punishment did. They have now outed themselves that they record phone conversations of recruits and will drag you through the mud if something comes up. If you don't think every other coach in the SEC is going to use that against them in recruiting then you have lost your mind. They did way more damage to themselves yesterday by pulling that stunt than the NCAA could have ever done to them.


We are the only University in this state on the rise and we are building a program the right way. I am damn proud of our adminstration and what we have accomplished over the last nine years and what Joe Moorhead will continue to build on.

[dawgday166]

Some of yall are pathetic

You noticed that too then.

[Turfdawg67]

Ole Miss is dead for minimum five years.

Hahahahahahaha!!

[BB30]

Hahahahahahaha!!

I'd be willing to make a wager if you'd like that they don't have a winning season for 4 years.

[MadDawg]

I'd be willing to make a wager if you'd like that they don't have a winning season for 4 years.

Wow. If I were a betting man, I'd have to take that bet. The only way you would be right is because Luke is such a pathetic coach. These "penalties" certainly aren't going to do it to them.

(of course I guess you could argue the penalties are what gave them Luke, etc.)

[Liverpooldawg]

Wow. If I were a betting man, I'd have to take that bet. The only way you would be right is because Luke is such a pathetic coach. These "penalties" certainly aren't going to do it to them.

(of course I guess you could argue the penalties are what gave them Luke, etc.)

Their talent level is going to go down every year for 3-4 years. Unless Luke is Vince Lombardi it's going to be a struggle for them.

[Turfdawg67]

I'd be willing to make a wager if you'd like that they don't have a winning season for 4 years.

How about .500? They'll probably win at least 6 next year. Let's sweeten it even more, I say they flip one of our recruits THIS year.

[MadDawg]

How about .500? They'll probably win at least 6 next year. Let's sweeten it even more, I say they flip one of our recruits THIS year.

Yep. And there will be a mysterious 4* from say Tennessee that will sign with them. When asked, he will talk about the beautiful campus. Keep on keepin' on.

[Johnson85]

Their talent level is going to go down every year for 3-4 years. Unless Luke is Vince Lombardi it's going to be a struggle for them.

??? Their recruiting bottomed out last year and this year. Should pick up next year. They may have to cool it out of state for a while, but I would take this punishment as a hall pass within the state of Mississippi.

[Dawg61]

How about .500? They'll probably win at least 6 next year. Let's sweeten it even more, I say they flip one of our recruits THIS year.

Winning 6 shouldn't be the bet when you can schedule your OOC cupcakes to guarantee 4 wins a year. The bet should be how long before Ole Miss wins 4 SEC games in a year. I say it won't happen within the next five years. Bookmark me.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

I'm glad cam Akers was smart enough. Clinton!

Instead of blackmails and public humiliation people going after your parents - for Ole Miss for f*cks sake

Florida state all day

Same school that records themselves with Bong masks and joints until the day before signing day - all captured by ole miss folk. Saving it to use later.

Actually on Akers......Might want to rethink that first statement. With Jimbo leaving look for OM to offer Jay Graham (RB coach, Tennessee alum, a primary recruiter for Akers) a job. I heard from some they are trying to make that happen. I hope to hell that it is false. Maybe someone here will know more.

[BB30]

Wow. If I were a betting man, I'd have to take that bet. The only way you would be right is because Luke is such a pathetic coach. These "penalties" certainly aren't going to do it to them.

(of course I guess you could argue the penalties are what gave them Luke, etc.)

Their team is AJ Brown and Metcalf. Literally anyone they beat this year was solely due to those two guys. Their DL and LBs suck and they have no depth. Their OL is below average and their RBs are garbage. They have an ok QB and 2 studs at WR. Those two will be gone after next year and I doubt they find another AJ Brown. They weren't a very good football team this year and will only get worse over the next two years.

Some of yall are underestimating what two horrific recruiting classes will do to a program regardless of how much they cheat going forward. You can't win in this league without at least a glimmer of depth. We also won't see them land a top 5 class anytime in the next 4 years so they won't sign the 4-5 difference makers they would need to offset the depth/lack of talent they have all over the field.

[BB30]

Actually on Akers......Might want to rethink that first statement. With Jimbo leaving look for OM to offer Jay Graham (RB coach, Tennessee alum, a primary recruiter for Akers) a job. I heard from some they are trying to make that happen. I hope to hell that it is false. Maybe someone here will know more.

Akers would have to sit out a year and then play for a decimated team with an OL that will be horrible over the next 3 years without two stud receivers to keep Ds honest. Akers ain't going anywhere.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Akers would have to sit out a year and then play for a decimated team with an OL that will be horrible over the next 3 years without two stud receivers to keep Ds honest. Akers ain't going anywhere.

Ok thanks!! whew

[BrunswickDawg]

Winning 6 shouldn't be the bet when you can schedule your OOC cupcakes to guarantee 4 wins a year. The bet should be how long before Ole Miss wins 4 SEC games in a year. I say it won't happen within the next five years. Bookmark me.

Thing is, schedules are set a bit

2018 - Texas Tech in Houston, ULM, Kent St, southern Illinois
2019 - @Memphis, Cal, SE La, New Mexico St
2020 - Baylor in Houston, SE MO St, MTSU, GA Southern

2018 they lose Texas Tech
2019 they lose @Memphis and Cal
2020 Baylor, MTSU and GA Southern are a push

[Commercecomet24]

Their team is AJ Brown and Metcalf. Literally anyone they beat this year was solely due to those two guys. Their DL and LBs suck and they have no depth. Their OL is below average and their RBs are garbage. They have an ok QB and 2 studs at WR. Those two will be gone after next year and I doubt they find another AJ Brown. They weren't a very good football team this year and will only get worse over the next two years.

Some of yall are underestimating what two horrific recruiting classes will do to a program regardless of how much they cheat going forward. You can't win in this league without at least a glimmer of depth. We also won't see them land a top 5 class anytime in the next 4 years so they won't sign the 4-5 difference makers they would need to offset the depth/lack of talent they have all over the field.

Yep this is the correct analysis. Remember too they were so good it took a cheap shot to put our qb out, lateral move had his head in Gainesville and 5 tos to beat us by 3 points, that?s how much more talented we are than them.

[BB30]

Ok thanks!! whew

Your welcome... sky isn't always falling. Living in negativity all of the time has to be a miserable existence. And don't give me the "it's not negativity it being a realist" BS. There is nothing real about even thinking for a second that Akers would leave Tallahassee to go to OM and play in an offense that runs verticals every play with a bunch of scrubs up front.