The MIKE LEACH for MSU hc thread

[TruMaroonTakeover]

http://trumaroontakeover.com/2017/11/26/sources-mike-leach-is-interested-in-the-mississippi-state-job/

[Really Clark?]

He is also interested in Ark and was interested in Tenn as well. Expect the same to be said of him for A & M. I think mainly he is interested in leaving WSU

[Coach34]

shit no

[Mjoelner34]

I don't know about Arky but I heard he told UT, no thanks.

[BuckyIsAB****]

NOPE. I actually like to keep people from scoring

[Reason2succeed]

I’ll pass. His political commentary was so absurd I’m concerned about his sanity. Dude had a press conference about big foot and aliens. I guess you want State to be the laughing stock of the nation. Heck no!

[redstickdawg]

that would be a disaster, croomesque.

[ElitedawgRecruiting]

No offense boys but y’all lost me with this BS. Would be a horrible hire

[BB30]

Weirdness aside, the dude has won at Texas Tech and Washington State not exactly powerhouses. He is honestly probably the most proven realistic head coach out there. Wouldn’t be my first choice but I don’t think it would be a death sentence either. We could do a heck of a lot worse.

[Dawg61]

What he's done at WSU is kinda miraculous though. I like the Pirate. I'd rather have Norvell but I'd be fine with Leach. He scores a lot of points and he will shit talk better than anyone we've ever had. He's hilarious.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HNUrnCWHVI

[BuckyIsAB****]

Weirdness aside, the dude has won at Texas Tech and Washington State not exactly powerhouses. He is honestly probably the most proven realistic head coach out there. Wouldn’t be my first choice but I don’t think it would be a death sentence either. We could do a heck of a lot worse.

We'd have the worst defense in the SEC

[bostondawg]

We'd have the worst defense in the SEC

Why do people think Mike Leach would also be our DC? I don't understand.

[Quaoarsking]

Everyone who dislikes him is misinformed. All the guy does is win, including beating the big boys some.

Read his book ("Swing Your Sword"). He would win big here.

[BB30]

Our defenses under Mullen weren’t exactly dominant until this year...

[msstate7]

Leach is 122-80 at TT and WSU.

[BulldogDX55]

Everyone who dislikes him is misinformed. All the guy does is win, including beating the big boys some.

Read his book ("Swing Your Sword"). He would win big here.

Agreed, Leach is awesome. Not necessarily my first pick, but in my top three. Dude just wins, and he?d be a hoot and a half at the press conferences. Land him a strong DC and we won?t miss a beat.

[Cooterpoot]

Hel 17ing no!

[StoneDawg]

The guy can win. Who gives a shit if he?s weird. Leach Kifffin would be great. Y?all are talking another assistant from Alabama. Go on with that boring bullshit. We?ve done that before and gotten nowhere.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

I love Leach, I'd prefer to keep loving him from a distance though.

[Really Clark?]

Everyone who dislikes him is misinformed. All the guy does is win, including beating the big boys some.

Read his book ("Swing Your Sword"). He would win big here.

He has won more than 10+ games in a season just once in 2 of the weakest defensive conferences. But bigger than that is he would be a bad fit for us. The right fit is the most important part of hiring a HC. A lot of them are really good coaches but the HC has to fit the program at the right time.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I am down with Mike Leach, but he needs to leave the D coordiantor do what he needs to do. Or average 75 a game.

[BulldogBear]

NT. I like the guy but don't want that pass happy crap here. It won't work.

No Big 12 or Pox 12 stuff here. Do not want.

[Quaoarsking]

Leach has won with walk-on QBs (Sonny Cumbie, Luke Falk), unheralded nobody QBs (BJ Symons, Cody Hodges, Connor Halliday), and a bunch of 2-star WRs. The set of WRs we'll have next year would be one of the better sets he's had in his career.

Leach talks about in his book about how in his ideal offense, the QB should be mobile to add another wrinkle to confuse the defense. Don't let anybody tell you we aren't set up to run his offense. Also don't let anyone tell you that he doesn't play defense - his defenses at Washington State have consistently been near the top of the Pac-12. Totally unfounded and ignorant myth.

[Jack Lambert]

Yall's sources suck! And that my friends is the bottom line.

[BB30]

How many times have we won more than 10 games in our entire programs history? How many times has Mullen accomplished this?

[preachermatt83]

Hire Leach!!!

[Really Clark?]

Leach has won with walk-on QBs (Sonny Cumbie, Luke Falk), unheralded nobody QBs (BJ Symons, Cody Hodges, Connor Halliday), and a bunch of 2-star WRs. The set of WRs we'll have next year would be one of the better sets he's had in his career.

Leach talks about in his book about how in his ideal offense, the QB should be mobile to add another wrinkle to confuse the defense. Don't let anybody tell you we aren't set up to run his offense. Also don't let anyone tell you that he doesn't play defense - his defenses at Washington State have consistently been near the top of the Pac-12. Totally unfounded and ignorant myth.

48th, 50th, 74th and 117th scoring defense the last 4 years nationally. Total defense 15th, 62nd, 84th and 99th. He has one ok to good defense this year. The rest were not good defenses. In the PAC 12

[Really Clark?]

How many times have we won more than 10 games in our entire programs history? How many times has Mullen accomplished this?

Mullen did it once in 9 years in the SEC West. Leach once in 15 years in the Big 12 and PAC 12 combined

[ababyatemydingo]

http://trumaroontakeover.com/2017/11/26/sources-mike-leach-is-interested-in-the-mississippi-state-job/

I'm a big NO on this, BUT, his best friend and mentor is at Belhaven

[Quaoarsking]

Dilly Dilly!
http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/kplu/files/styles/medium/public/201112/MikeLeach2.jpg

[Charlie_Sheen420]

I'll pass, I like him but if we want to possibly take the next step, he's not the guy. 6-8 wins a year

[ElitedawgRecruiting]

#nowedont

[Dawg61]

I'd be good with Leach. Y'all are underplaying what he's done at Washington State. They are the Vanderbilt of the Pac12.

[Quaoarsking]

Year
Team
Overall
Conference
Standing
Bowl/playoffs
Coaches#
AP-


Texas Tech Red Raiders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football) (Big 12 Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Conference)) (2000-2009)


2000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
7-6
3-5
4th (South)
L Galleryfurniture.com (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Galleryfurniture.com_Bowl)






2001 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
7-5
4-4
T-3rd (South)
L Alamo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Alamo_Bowl)






2002 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
9-5
5-3
T-2nd (South)
W Tangerine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Tangerine_Bowl)






2003 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
8-5
4-4
4th (South)
W Houston (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Bowl)






2004 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
8-4
5-3
T-3rd (South)
W Holiday (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Holiday_Bowl)
17
18


2005 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
9-3
6-2
T-2nd (South)
L Cotton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Cotton_Bowl_Classic)
19
20


2006 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
8-5
4-4
4th (South)
W Insight (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Insight_Bowl)






2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
9-4
4-4
T-3rd (South)
W Gator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Gator_Bowl)
23
22


2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
11-2
7-1
T-1st (South)
L Cotton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Cotton_Bowl_Classic)
12
12


2009 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
8-4
5-3
3rd (South)
Alamo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Alamo_Bowl_(January))*
23
21


Texas Tech:
84-43
47-33
*Did not coach bowl game.


5-15 against Texas and Oklahoma, which is a hell of a lot better than Dan's 2-16 against Alabama and LSU. Finished ranked 50% of the time.





Washington State Cougars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_State_Cougars_football) (Pac-12 Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-12_Conference)) (2012-present)


2012 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Washington State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Washington_State_Cougars_football_team)
3-9
1-8
6th (North)








2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Washington State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Washington_State_Cougars_football_team)
6-7
4-5
T-4th (North)
L New Mexico (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_New_Mexico_Bowl)






2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Washington State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Washington_State_Cougars_football_team)
3-9
2-7
T-5th (North)








2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Washington State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Washington_State_Cougars_football_team)
9-4
6-3
3rd (North)
W Sun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Sun_Bowl)






2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Washington State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Washington_State_Cougars_football_team)
8-5
7-2
2nd (North)
L Holiday (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Holiday_Bowl)






2017 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Washington State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Washington_State_Cougars_football_team)
9-3
6-3
3rd (North)
TBA






Washington State:
38-37
26-28


Took over for a guy who won 9 games in 4 years (literally, wow!), so had some tough times early, but has Washington State at the point where they'll rip of a long string of successes if he stays. Beat Stanford the last 2 years, Oregon the last 3 years. 2-1 against USC, 3-1 against Kyle Whittingham's Utah.

[phatdog]

no

[Dawgology]

Some people love him and some hate him. What is the boards take? He?s crazy..sure...but it?s the fun kind of crazy. Also, he runs a version of the spread which may help him utilize our current players better than someone coming in with an all new scheme.

[RocketDawg]

Isn't he the guy who put a player in a hot box at TCU or Texas Tech? And got fired over it?

[preachermatt83]

Anyone who doesn't want leach has lost my respect.

[Ari Gold]

Come on now.. if everyone thought Mullen was lazy and couldn't recruit.. Recruiitng wise Mullen is a hustler compared to the Pirate.

[Quaoarsking]

Isn't he the guy who put a player in a hot box at TCU or Texas Tech? And got fired over it?

LOL, no. Funny how rumors get twisted. He told a player with a post-concussion headache that the best treatment was to hang out in a quiet, dark room (AKA the correct medical treatment), and sent him to one with a graduate assistant. The player didn't mind, but his father (disgraced former ESPN host/politician Craig James, who is largely responsible for SMU's death penalty) freaked out and whined hard.

Mike Leach's firing from Texas Tech was because he didn't play the booster game well and they didn't want to give him the big bonus they were legally entitled to give him if he didn't get fired.

[Cooterpoot]

Leach is a whack job.

[Reason2succeed]

#YallCrayCray
#TotalEmbarrassment
#TakeThatIshSomewhereElse
#StayAtStateWashingtonStateThatIs
#Hail2ThaNaw

[Homedawg]

Just no.

[Dawgface]

He would be entertaining. Can't see Cohen going that direction.

[32 Dive]

Nope.

[Lloyd Christmas]

Isn't he the guy who put a player in a hot box at TCU or Texas Tech? And got fired over it?

Yea and from everything I've read the kid and his father were perpetual shitheads and were hated by the team and fans. He messed up but there's always more to the story.

[preachermatt83]

Anybody who don't want leach has no idea what leach has done at wash st.

[preachermatt83]

#WeWantThePirate

[Quaoarsking]

Yea and from everything I've read the kid and his father were perpetual shitheads and were hated by the team and fans. He messed up but there's always more to the story.

He didn't mess up. The player was trying to get out of practice by claiming a headache, so Leach say "well if you have a headache OK, but you need to treat that properly."

He discusses the incident in his book, and the player himself corroborates his story. It's only Lyin' Craig (who got his ass kicked by Ted Cruz in his brief political career) who tried to twist it out of proportion.

[Reason2succeed]

He is the Bobby Knight of CFB minus the championships. All he would bring is a bunch of points in blowouts wins, stupid losses, and public shame and embarrassment.

[dawgoneyall]

What he's done at WSU is kinda miraculous though. I like the Pirate. I'd rather have Norvell but I'd be fine with Leach. He scores a lot of points and he will shit talk better than anyone we've ever had. He's hilarious.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HNUrnCWHVI

that video is classic. Say what you want..I don't care!

[Quaoarsking]

Anybody who don't want leach has no idea what leach has done at wash st.

Yeah, I'm still waiting to hear a coherent reason why the small minority of Leachhaters feel that way. I'm fine with opposing opinions, I just think there should be some kind of reason beyond a knee-jerk "he's a nerd!!" no.

Any myths about his offense not being a good fit for our roster or "he doesn't play defense!" are easily disproven.

[dawgoneyall]

Isn't he the guy who put a player in a hot box at TCU or Texas Tech? And got fired over it?

Yes and the prick deserved it.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Love the guy, but don't want him coaching our team. I watched Wazzu play in the Apple Cup yesterday, they got demolished because Washington was able to get pressure with 3 and drop 8 into coverage. And they've pretty much done that every year for the past 3 years. That pretty much eliminates us ever beating LSU or Bama considering they always have very good D lines, and we're pretty much guaranteed to run into 1 or 2 other SEC teams per year with a good D line.

Edit: and that's ignoring the fact he's never even really had an average defense until this year.

[Quaoarsking]

He is the Bobby Knight of CFB minus the championships. All he would bring is a bunch of points in blowouts wins, stupid losses, and public shame and embarrassment.

Points in blowout wins are a good thing, he has very few "stupid losses" (no more than any other coach we're considering), and there's nothing even remotely shameful or embarrassing about him.


Also, can a mod merge all of the Leach threads into a single thread?

[Dawgfan77]

Anyone who doesn't want leach has lost my respect.
You also believed in the Slive rule. Just sayin

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Points in blowout wins are a good thing, he has very few "stupid losses" (no more than any other coach we're considering), and there's nothing even remotely shameful or embarrassing about him.


In the past 3 seasons he's lost to Portland State and Eastern Washington. I would consider those a step further into "stupid loss" territory than losing to South Alabama was.

[yjnkdawg]

He would be entertaining. Can't see Cohen going that direction.


Entertaining doesn't necessarily mean winning football games in the SEC West, though.

[redstickdawg]

You also believed in the Slive rule. Just sayin

yes and he is a nut job. Leach would play terrible in the traditional south with his absurdities and stupidity. Never been close to a top team in a real conference.

[Dawg61]

yes and he is a nut job. Leach would play terrible in the traditional south with his absurdities and stupidity. Never been close to a top team in a real conference.

Pretty sure he's a big Trump supporter so might be a better fit in the traditional south than you think

[Quaoarsking]

In the past 3 seasons he's lost to Portland State and Eastern Washington. I would consider those a step further into "stupid loss" territory than losing to South Alabama was.

I'm aware, but those are really his only 2 bad losses in his whole 16-year career, compared to lots of specific great wins (way more than Mullen ever had). The Portland State loss was very fluky looking at the stats.

[Quaoarsking]

yes and he is a nut job. Leach would play terrible in the traditional south with his absurdities and stupidity. Never been close to a top team in a real conference.

More supposition based on absolutely no evidence. Just pulling sentences out of your ass.

[Quaoarsking]

Entertaining doesn't necessarily mean winning football games in the SEC West, though.

It doesn't, but his outstanding success at Texas Tech and Washington, including multiple wins over Oklahoma, Texas, USC, and more suggest that he would win in the SEC West.

[BB30]

In the past 3 seasons he's lost to Portland State and Eastern Washington. I would consider those a step further into "stupid loss" territory than losing to South Alabama was.

He?s also at Washington State trying to build a program with arguably a worse history than ours. Mullen lost to South Alabama in year 8.

He also never had a losing season at TTU if I remember correctly.

[Quaoarsking]

He also never had a losing season at TTU if I remember correctly. You are correct:





Year
Team
Overall
Conference
Standing
Bowl/playoffs
Coaches#
AP-


Texas Tech Red Raiders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football) (Big 12 Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Conference)) (2000-2009)


2000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
7-6
3-5
4th (South)
L Galleryfurniture.com (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Galleryfurniture.com_Bowl)






2001 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
7-5
4-4
T-3rd (South)
L Alamo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Alamo_Bowl)






2002 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
9-5
5-3
T-2nd (South)
W Tangerine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Tangerine_Bowl)






2003 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
8-5
4-4
4th (South)
W Houston (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Bowl)






2004 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
8-4
5-3
T-3rd (South)
W Holiday (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Holiday_Bowl)
17
18


2005 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
9-3
6-2
T-2nd (South)
L Cotton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Cotton_Bowl_Classic)
19
20


2006 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
8-5
4-4
4th (South)
W Insight (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Insight_Bowl)






2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
9-4
4-4
T-3rd (South)
W Gator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Gator_Bowl)
23
22


2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
11-2
7-1
T-1st (South)
L Cotton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Cotton_Bowl_Classic)
12
12


2009 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team)
8-4
5-3
3rd (South)
Alamo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Alamo_Bowl_(January))*
23
21


Texas Tech:
84-43
47-33
*Did not coach bowl game.


5-15 against Texas and Oklahoma, which is a hell of a lot better than Dan's 2-16 against Alabama and LSU. Finished ranked 50% of the time.





Washington State Cougars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_State_Cougars_football) (Pac-12 Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-12_Conference)) (2012-present)


2012 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Washington State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Washington_State_Cougars_football_team)
3-9
1-8
6th (North)








2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Washington State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Washington_State_Cougars_football_team)
6-7
4-5
T-4th (North)
L New Mexico (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_New_Mexico_Bowl)






2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Washington State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Washington_State_Cougars_football_team)
3-9
2-7
T-5th (North)








2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Washington State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Washington_State_Cougars_football_team)
9-4
6-3
3rd (North)
W Sun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Sun_Bowl)






2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Washington State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Washington_State_Cougars_football_team)
8-5
7-2
2nd (North)
L Holiday (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Holiday_Bowl)






2017 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season)
Washington State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Washington_State_Cougars_football_team)
9-3
6-3
3rd (North)
TBA






Washington State:
38-37
26-28


Took over for a guy who won 9 games in 4 years (literally, wow!), so had some tough times early, but has Washington State at the point where they'll rip of a long string of successes if he stays. Beat Stanford the last 2 years, Oregon the last 3 years. 2-1 against USC, 3-1 against Kyle Whittingham's Utah.

[Really Clark?]

It doesn't, but his outstanding success at Texas Tech and Washington, including multiple wins over Oklahoma, Texas, USC, and more suggest that he would win in the SEC West.

He is like 12 - 45 vs ranked opponents. He has had some good wins but it's not like he consistently beats ranked teams. And he is hasn't beat an SEC team since UNM in 2003. 0-3 since then

[BuckyIsAB****]

Leach doesnt give a shit about anything but offensive numbers, just like his idol Hal Mumme

[BuckyIsAB****]

Yeah, I'm still waiting to hear a coherent reason why the small minority of Leachhaters feel that way. I'm fine with opposing opinions, I just think there should be some kind of reason beyond a knee-jerk "he's a nerd!!" no.

Any myths about his offense not being a good fit for our roster or "he doesn't play defense!" are easily disproven.

1. He is an air raid founding father. The air raid has never won a championship of any kind in major college football or in the NFL. Its a gimmick and the guys who run it only care about their numbers at the end of the day.

2. Running the air raid creates a finesse football team, hurting your defense by scoring quickly and always having them on the field.

These are proven facts. Leach is not a good fit for us. We dont have the QB or WRs on the roster to run his offense

[Quaoarsking]

Leach doesnt give a shit about anything but offensive numbers, just like his idol Hal Mumme

That's just something you made up out of thin air, not even remotely based on facts.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

I'm aware, but those are really his only 2 bad losses in his whole 16-year career, compared to lots of specific great wins (way more than Mullen ever had). The Portland State loss was very fluky looking at the stats.


He?s also at Washington State trying to build a program with arguably a worse history than ours. Mullen lost to South Alabama in year 8.

He also never had a losing season at TTU if I remember correctly.

Alright guys, if we end up with him and drop the opener to Stephen F. Austin next year, I expect y'all to lead the charge explaining why its ok we lost to them**

For real though, my concern is that the magic bullet seems to be being able to get pressure with a 3 man D-line. Bama, LSU, and Auburn consistently have elite D-lines, and we can usually assume one or two of our other SEC opponents will have really dang good D-lines too per season. If you watched the Apple Cup yesterday Washington was able to get pressure with 3, and his offense was pathetically anemic. Just like last year's Apple Cup.

I've watched the last two Apple Cups because I like watching Mike Leach teams, I've been disappointed both times.

[Quaoarsking]

1. He is an air raid founding father. The air raid has never won a championship of any kind in major college football or in the NFL. Its a gimmick and the guys who run it only care about their numbers at the end of the day.

2. Running the air raid creates a finesse football team, hurting your defense by scoring quickly and always having them on the field.

These are proven facts. Leach is not a good fit for us. We dont have the QB or WRs on the roster to run his offense

2000 Oklahoma says hi.

So does 2005 Texas, which wasn't a traditional air raid, but resembles what we would have next year with Leach, a with Vince Young throwing for 3000 and running for 1000