Does The U Memphis Recruit Better WRs than Us?

[ShotgunDawg]

Bo Bounds just went on a rant about how we cannot win Saturday night due to terrible WR play.(which I agree with)

I have not watched much Memphis football this year but Bo said Memphis had 2 WRs that were better than anything we have.

Bo also made a great point that this goes FAR beyond AJ Brown. There is no reason we shouldn?t be able to attract Fred Ross type WRs every year. It?s absolutely deplorable what our WR recruiting has been prior to the 2018 class and speaks to major flaws in what we value in WR evaluation.

While we were all bashing Hev, Gonzo was the problem in sheep?s clothing. Just terrible evaluations. That?s our biggest problem. AJ Brown is just an excuse

For whatever reason, we’ve had success landing under the radar players at every position but WR. Our only good WRs have been highly recruited guys

[Dawg61]

Mullen is aware of his shitty WR recruiting

[Bubb Rubb]

There is some responsibility on the part of the players that we do recruit to pan out.

We have a number of receivers on the roster that have good size and skill but they haven't taken the step yet. Maybe they're just young. Losing Fred Brown and Bear Wilson early hurt, too.

Memphis is a bad example. Their best WR was recruited by nobody and walked on at Memphis. You also have to consider the league they play in. Mitchell, Todd, and Couch would have better numbers there because they wouldn't be working against SEC defenses and would be getting more targets per game.

[starkvegasdawg]

While it?s obvious our receivers, for the most part, couldn?t catch herpes from a whore, and the accuracy of Fitz is not where it needs to be, let me add one caveat that might be having at least a small effect on both. Almost every single snap from center Fitz has to catch off his shoelaces. That has to mess up the timing of the routes and cause his throws to not be where the receivers are expecting them causing passes to be be dropped or topped up into the air. One would think nine games into the season Fitz could reasonably expect a snap to be at least waist high.

[MetEdDawg]

Bo Bounds just went on a rant about how we cannot win Saturday night due to terrible WR play.(which I agree with)

I have not watched much Memphis football this year but Bo said Memphis had 2 WRs that were better than anything we have.

Bo also made a great point that this goes FAR beyond AJ Brown. There is no reason we shouldn?t be able to attract Fred Ross type WRs every year. It?s absolutely deplorable what our WR recruiting has been prior to the 2018 class and speaks to major flaws in what we value in WR evaluation.

While we were all bashing Hev, Gonzo was the problem in sheep?s clothing. Just terrible evaluations. That?s our biggest problem. AJ Brown is just an excuse

For whatever reason, we’ve had success landing under the radar players at every position but WR. Our only good WRs have been highly recruited guys

Our WR group is why we always lose to Bama and the only times we ever came even remotely close to beating them we had good WRs. Bama shuts the run down. Teams don't run on them and as long as Saban is there that will continue. Teams have to be able to throw some on them to soften them up. We've never been able to do that because we don't have WRs that can beat Bama's secondary. So we ask our OL to try and block a Bama front 7 for 3 seconds plus and you will lose that battle a lot if you have to do that.

We need WRs that can win battles either vertically or physically. Bear could win a physical battle. Ross could win a physical battle. We've never really had anyone that could win the battle vertically on Bama's defense and right now, we don't have anyone who can win a physical battle. That's gonna make it tough on us and until we are able to get a couple of those WRs on campus at the same time, it's always going to make it that much tougher against elite defenses.

[Spiderman]

Bo Bounds just went on a rant about how we cannot win Saturday night due to terrible WR play.(which I agree with)

I have not watched much Memphis football this year but Bo said Memphis had 2 WRs that were better than anything we have.

Bo also made a great point that this goes FAR beyond AJ Brown. There is no reason we shouldn?t be able to attract Fred Ross type WRs every year. It?s absolutely deplorable what our WR recruiting has been prior to the 2018 class and speaks to major flaws in what we value in WR evaluation.

While we were all bashing Hev, Gonzo was the problem in sheep?s clothing. Just terrible evaluations. That?s our biggest problem. AJ Brown is just an excuse

For whatever reason, we’ve had success landing under the radar players at every position but WR. Our only good WRs have been highly recruited guys

To answer your question..... Yes, and so do 99% of other FBS teams

[Jack Lambert]

I think he does recruit well. Some just have not panned out. Wasn't gray a 4 star? Wasn't Ross a 3 star? Bear was what a 2 star? You never know who is going to pan out or not.

[louisvilledawg]

All i know is Anthony Miller would be our WR1 and he was a walk on at Memphis. I love watching that guy play.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

You start recruiting higher profile QB you will start attracting high profile WR. We have done that with QB, Thompson, Mayden, Jones, and you see how much the WR attention has picked up. Heath, Guidry, possible Whop. We are in the middle of the transition, be patient.

[Spiderman]

I think he does recruit well. Some just have not panned out. Wasn't gray a 4 star? Wasn't Ross a 3 star? Bear was what a 2 star? You never know who is going to pan out or not.

That's the deal, other than being a turd, how do you not pan out a WR?

Could he catch the ball in HS, could he win the majority of his 1 on 1's, could he run, was he decent sized?

If yes, a kid doesn't lose those abilities. And if he is a turd and won't work, that's a crappy job of getting to know the kid.

WR is the easiest position to evaluate, in my opinion and coaching experience.

[ShotgunDawg]

I think he does recruit well. Some just have not panned out. Wasn't gray a 4 star? Wasn't Ross a 3 star? Bear was what a 2 star? You never know who is going to pan out or not.

All three of those guys were 4 stars.

While we've had numerous under the radar studs at RB, OL, DL, LB, & DB, other than maybe Fred Brown, we really haven't had one at WR. If we miss out of the highly recruited guy, then we are screwed.

Why haven't we had an Evan Engram, Attaboyjo, DJ Chark was an 87 rated HS player, etc....

[bulldawg28]

That's the deal, other than being a turd, how do you not pan out a WR?

Could he catch the ball in HS, could he win the majority of his 1 on 1's, could he run, was he decent sized?

If yes, a kid doesn't lose those abilities. And if he is a turd and won't work, that's a crappy job of getting to know the kid.

WR is the easiest position to evaluate, in my opinion and coaching experience.

I agree Spider. The only gauge is the crowd factor. The bright lights and stardom kills some

[ShotgunDawg]

You start recruiting higher profile QB you will start attracting high profile WR. We have done that with QB, Thompson, Mayden, Jones, and you see how much the WR attention has picked up. Heath, Guidry, possible Whop. We are in the middle of the transition, be patient.

But IMO it's not about just landing higher profile WRs. It's more about poor evaluations.

Continuing to get highly rated QBs will certainly help, but that is not why schools like Memphis have better WRs than us. There is a flaw in the type of player we are looking for & thus we aren't giving ourselves a chance to land an under the radar type guy.

Nick Saban says you want your WR corp to look like a basketball team, but ours looks like a running back meeting room. It's like we became more concerned with getting guys that can run after the catch than getting guys that could get open, stretch the field, & catch. The type of bodies, feet, & looseness of muscles we have been recruiting at that position is off. Anyone can evaluate Guidry, Heath, Whop, AJ Brown, etc but we can't survive on just getting those type of guys. We've got to land an under the radar impact type guy every few years or we are SOL. That has not happened at this position while it has happened at every other position on the field. It's odd

[Ifyouonlyknew]

But IMO it's not about just landing higher profile WRs. It's more about poor evaluations.

Continuing to get highly rated QBs will certainly help, but that is not why schools like Memphis have better WRs than us. There is a flaw in the type of player we are looking for & thus we aren't giving ourselves a chance to land an under the radar type guy.

Nick Saban says you want your WR corp to look like a basketball team, but ours looks like a running back meeting room. The type of bodies, feet, & looseness of muscles we have been recruiting at that position is off.

This last part just isn't true. Todd 6'5" Couch 6'4" Mitchell 6'5" Jackson 6'2" Williams 6'3". So almost half of our WR group is 6'2" or better. There are issues but let's not make up things like all our WR are Keith Mixon & Deddrick Thomas size.

[vv83]

All three of those guys were 4 stars.

While we've had numerous under the radar studs at RB, OL, DL, LB, & DB, other than maybe Fred Brown, we really haven't had one at WR. If we miss out of the highly recruited guy, then we are screwed.

Why haven't we had an Evan Engram, Attaboyjo, DJ Chark was an 87 rated HS player, etc....

Bear was a 3 star. Ross was consensus 4 I believe, and Gray was a 3 or 4 depending on which site.

[ShotgunDawg]

This last part just isn't true. Todd 6'5" Couch 6'4" Mitchell 6'5" Jackson 6'2" Williams 6'3". So almost half of our WR group is 6'2" or better. There are issues but let's not make up things like all our WR are Keith Mixon & Deddrick Thomas size.

We've certainly made some adjustments & appear to be headed in the right direction. If we keep getting guys like Todd, Couch, Mitchell, etc then we are going to land some under the radar studs, but all these guys are young & we are stuck in this window right now where all the experienced guys are running back type bodies & the young guys don't know how to run routes yet. It's just amazing how we let it get to this point.

[Hasu Dackds]

If they aren't a 4 or 5 star guy, we need to just get athletes. It seems like we've tried to do that, specifically with Bear, Mitchell, Couch and Todd. But we're batting .250 there. I think we need to be going after athletes who are playing QB in high school, but obviously have no future at QB on the next level, rather than 6'5" guys that look the part. Gabe Myles is a good example.

[MedDawg]

Bo Bounds just went on a rant about how we cannot win Saturday night due to terrible WR play.(which I agree with)

I have not watched much Memphis football this year but Bo said Memphis had 2 WRs that were better than anything we have.

Bo also made a great point that this goes FAR beyond AJ Brown. There is no reason we shouldn?t be able to attract Fred Ross type WRs every year. It?s absolutely deplorable what our WR recruiting has been prior to the 2018 class and speaks to major flaws in what we value in WR evaluation.

While we were all bashing Hev, Gonzo was the problem in sheep?s clothing. Just terrible evaluations. That?s our biggest problem. AJ Brown is just an excuse

For whatever reason, we?ve had success landing under the radar players at every position but WR. Our only good WRs have been highly recruited guys

Part of the reason the high octane offenses seem to have so many wide receivers is because they take their fast defensive guys and make them receivers or they recruit more receivers at the expense of defense. We keep our faster defensive guys on defense, and guess what? Our defense is better than most of those teams with high octane offenses. And we're 16th in the nation. If we had Peters and Bryant as WR's we would be better at WR but worse on defense.

[tcdog70]

what worries Me is both Guidry and Heath have not caught but somewhere around 18 passes this year. If they are The Studs everyone says--why have they not caught more passes?? I've seen a couple of WRs in Juco that have caught half that many in 1 game. Are they being miss-used? they Kid from West Point is putting up big numbers against good competition but we are not interested.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

what worries Me is both Guidry and Heath have not caught but somewhere around 18 passes this year. If they are The Studs everyone says--why have they not caught more passes?? I've seen a couple of WRs in Juco that have caught half that many in 1 game. Are they being miss-used? they Kid from West Point is putting up big numbers against good competition but we are not interested.

Have you ever considered the QB?! Heath does not have a QB that can get him the ball.

[bulldawg28]

what worries Me is both Guidry and Heath have not caught but somewhere around 18 passes this year. If they are The Studs everyone says--why have they not caught more passes?? I've seen a couple of WRs in Juco that have caught half that many in 1 game. Are they being miss-used? they Kid from West Point is putting up big numbers against good competition but we are not interested.

18? I watched Heath play and he caught almost 10 balls that game

[Ifyouonlyknew]

what worries Me is both Guidry and Heath have not caught but somewhere around 18 passes this year. If they are The Studs everyone says--why have they not caught more passes?? I've seen a couple of WRs in Juco that have caught half that many in 1 game. Are they being miss-used? they Kid from West Point is putting up big numbers against good competition but we are not interested.

Hinds runs a 4 WR set & has 2 other D1 WR besides Guidry. Calloway starting QB got hurt the 3 or 4th game of the year & theyre playing a 9th grader.

[msstate7]

Hinds runs a 4 WR set & has 2 other D1 WR besides Guidry. Calloway starting QB got hurt the 3 or 4th game of the year & theure playing a 9th grader.

Get outta here with that... we are and will be terrible at WR for as long as Mullen is here, just like oline.

[Cooterpoot]

Get outta here with that... we are and will be terrible at WR for as long as Mullen is here, just like oline.

Our Oline isn't terrible this year....just sayin'. But Gonzo has been worthless and other than one or 2 guys, it takes forever for our WR recruits to get on the field and perform at all. We're sucking at development and recruitment at WR. At least our OL is fairly well coached.

[Hasu Dackds]

Our Oline isn't terrible this year....just sayin'. But Gonzo has been worthless and other than one or 2 guys, it takes forever for our WR recruits to get on the field and perform at all. We're sucking at development and recruitment at WR. At least our OL is fairly well coached.

missed that sarcasm bruh

[raymond21]

UMASS had a WR that would be a star on our team.

[Cooterpoot]

UMASS had a WR that would be a star on our team.

Go check his stats. He'd be a star on a lot of teams. He's legit.

[Coach34]

http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/callaway-chargers-(jackson,ms)/football/stats.htm

According to stats (and they may not be up to date):

Callaway's QB has played in 9 games. His back-up is a Soph.

[Cooterpoot]

missed that sarcasm bruh

It happens....

[Dawg61]

Art Briles for OC/WR coach. Couple Baylor WR in the NFL right now.

WR Corey Coleman
WR Terrence Williams
WR Kendall Wright
WR Josh Gordon

[msstate7]

Art Briles for OC/WR coach. Couple Baylor WR in the NFL right now.

WR Corey Coleman
WR Terrence Williams
WR Kendall Wright
WR Josh Gordon

Lol... you say no to AJ Brown, who is a young and dumb kid who wanted money. You say yes to Briles though. Jeez

[Dawg61]

Lol... you say no to AJ Brown, who is a young and dumb kid who wanted money. You say yes to Briles though. Jeez

That's right. Soak it up. For the record though I want Briles to donate his entire first year salary to opening a rape/sexaul assault prevention center on campus and I want him to sleep in it and answer the phones and help everyone when he's not coaching.

[Maroonthirteen]

Those Tiger receivers are running against Navy, Tulane, Tulsa etc. Riley and those receivers would be shut down vs UGA and Auburn and probably Kentucky and aTm.

[yjnkdawg]

You start recruiting higher profile QB you will start attracting high profile WR. We have done that with QB, Thompson, Mayden, Jones, and you see how much the WR attention has picked up. Heath, Guidry, possible Whop. We are in the middle of the transition, be patient.


THIS

[yjnkdawg]

I think he does recruit well. Some just have not panned out. Wasn't gray a 4 star? Wasn't Ross a 3 star? Bear was what a 2 star? You never know who is going to pan out or not.


Fred Ross was a 4* we flipped from Oklahoma State. He was their top wr target and commit.

[yjnkdawg]

UMASS had a WR that would be a star on our team.



He is a track star who is a football player. Not your usual track star trying to be a football player.

[tcdog70]

I noticed the Patterson Kid out of Pearl has caught over 60 passes. Now that is what a Stud is supposed to do. If you are a big time WR and only catch 18 passes --something is wrong. The Noxubee Jr Pruett scored 5 TDs is the first half last week in the playoffs. he is a JR --hope we get Him.

[Bothrops]

Patterson is a stud. Will he ever play at MSU, who knows..

[DownwardDawg]

While it?s obvious our receivers, for the most part, couldn?t catch herpes from a whore, and the accuracy of Fitz is not where it needs to be, let me add one caveat that might be having at least a small effect on both. Almost every single snap from center Fitz has to catch off his shoelaces. That has to mess up the timing of the routes and cause his throws to not be where the receivers are expecting them causing passes to be be dropped or topped up into the air. One would think nine games into the season Fitz could reasonably expect a snap to be at least waist high.
Man, you nailed it. This drives me crazy! How can our center not have this corrected by now?

[ShotgunDawg]

I noticed the Patterson Kid out of Pearl has caught over 60 passes. Now that is what a Stud is supposed to do. If you are a big time WR and only catch 18 passes --something is wrong. The Noxubee Jr Pruett scored 5 TDs is the first half last week in the playoffs. he is a JR --hope we get Him.

This is a dumb opinion.

Football isn't an individual sport like baseball or golf. You are dependent on your QB, scheme, coaches, etc.

I agree that I would like to see more production, but I'm not of the belief that it means anything