Mailk not playing PG for KU...

[fishwater99]

Imagine that.

On ESPN3..

[Liverpooldawg]

What a surprise.

[BayouDawg]

He could be a solid college player if he would accept who he is. He still thinks he's John Wall 2.0

[fishwater99]

He did play PG in mop-up duty.. I stand corrected..

[Dawg61]

Per twitters it sounds like he got a little banged up tonight, didn't start the 2nd half but did play so it's nothing serious. He's softer than charmin.

[MCsMGs]

From the Kansas City Star...."Malik Newman (eight points, 3-of-9 shooting, 2 of 6 threes), who started the game but not the second half, returning to the court with 12:33 and 12:49 respectively, combined for just seven points with one assist against five turnovers in the initial half."

[MarketingBully]

He’s not going to like Bill Self’s offensive system either because he is going to have to learn how to get involved offensively off the ball. That was his complaint with Howland’s offensive system. He wanted the ball in his hands at all times and wanted the offense to go through him. He’s not good enough for the offense to go through him and it looks like Bill Self realizes that he has better options at both the 1 and 2. I still think he will be a good college player and will average 16 ppg or so. That probably should be good enough for 2nd team Big 12 I think.

[Homedawg]

He is he we thought he was.....

[yjnkdawg]

He?s not going to like Bill Self?s offensive system either because he is going to have to learn how to get involved offensively off the ball. That was his complaint with Howland?s offensive system. He wanted the ball in his hands at all times and wanted the offense to go through him. He?s not good enough for the offense to go through him and it looks like Bill Self realizes that he has better options at both the 1 and 2. I still think he will be a good college player and will average 16 ppg or so. That probably should be good enough for 2nd team Big 12 I think.


So maybe it appears that Horatio and Omhar aren't going to be happy campers again?

[Dawg61]

He is he we thought he was.....

https://media.giphy.com/media/nfrULFV2ZqlK8/giphy.gif

[CarolinaDawgs]

What an overrated player. I cant believe we got sucked into the hype.

[Political Hack]

He's not overrated. He's good. He's just not better than everyone else once he gets in a floor with other big time players. That's not the problem though. The problem is he thinks he's better than all those other guys and refuses to play his role within a team.

[1bigdawg]

He is a very talented college 2 guard. Let's not dog the kid because he left. The unfortunate thing for him and for us is that he got bad advice.

[Political Hack]

He is a very talented college 2 guard. Let's not dog the kid because he left. The unfortunate thing for him and for us is that he got bad advice.

I agree. And I hope he becomes a big time NBA star. Hope he realizes before it's too late that he has to play within a system. Look at Monta Ellis. Stud, but he's a role player at the NBA level. Malik has to learn to play within himself and quit trying to be something he's not. I think sometimes when these kids get too much pub too early in life it sets them on a course that they're either the very best player ever or a complete bust. I hope that doesn't happen to him.

[Ezsoil]

Self called him out by name in the post game....lack of effort and poor shooting

[Dawg61]

Let's not dog the kid because he left.

He hurt our program in several ways. He wasn't some insignificant loss like Ndoye.

[Spiderman]

He's not overrated. He's good. He's just not better than everyone else once he gets in a floor with other big time players. That's not the problem though. The problem is he thinks he's better than all those other guys and refuses to play his role within a team.

He is very talented. But like Richard Williams said, he is a great 1 on 1 player. He also said he had tons of coaching, but it was all on individual skills. He said Malik needed to play more games, not all that individual stuff. Said he diidn't have enough team experience, understanding team concepts, and playing with in them.

[MCsMGs]

He hurt our program in several ways. He wasn't some insignificant loss like Ndoye.

He also helped our program...his signing set the tone for the class that Howland was able to sign. Not saying we wouldn't have gotten some or all of the talent we did, but his signing certainly started the ball rolling our way. For that, I am grateful.

As PH stated, he was set up for what has transpired by the hype. CL's "Malik Newman...Beyond the game" and a lot of other hype did the man a great disservice.

[louisvilledawg]

He’s not going to like Bill Self’s offensive system either because he is going to have to learn how to get involved offensively off the ball. That was his complaint with Howland’s offensive system. He wanted the ball in his hands at all times and wanted the offense to go through him. He’s not good enough for the offense to go through him and it looks like Bill Self realizes that he has better options at both the 1 and 2. I still think he will be a good college player and will average 16 ppg or so. That probably should be good enough for 2nd team Big 12 I think.

You think he'll be the 1st or 2nd leading scorer for Kansas?

[Ari Gold]

Camp Newman is Kansas and Self's problem now.. best of luck

[Tbonewannabe]

Horatio and Carter trying to retire on Malik's coattails is going to screw him over. They are trying to make him into Seth Curry when he is closer to Montae Ellis. There is nothing wrong with getting to the NBA as a 6th man 3 point specialist. I hope they don't screw over Malik's chance at a career because of it. Q was the better player as a freshman and we still didn't run the whole team through him. Jordan didn't win any titles by just shooting the ball every time down the court. Jordan was actually a great passer and defensive player. He took a lot of shots but he played within the team concept. Malik hasn't figured out that a lot of times he isn't the most talented player on the floor. I hope for his future that Self is able to convince him of it since his advisors wouldn't listen to Howland.

[fishwater99]

Horatio and Carter trying to retire on Malik's coattails is going to screw him over. They are trying to make him into Seth Curry when he is closer to Montae Ellis. There is nothing wrong with getting to the NBA as a 6th man 3 point specialist. I hope they don't screw over Malik's chance at a career because of it. Q was the better player as a freshman and we still didn't run the whole team through him. Jordan didn't win any titles by just shooting the ball every time down the court. Jordan was actually a great passer and defensive player. He took a lot of shots but he played within the team concept. Malik hasn't figured out that a lot of times he isn't the most talented player on the floor. I hope for his future that Self is able to convince him of it since his advisors wouldn't listen to Howland.

Mailk is a good college player, but to even put him in the same sentence with Monta is just crazy. Monta is a pure shooter, Mailk is a freak athlete, but not a pure shooter.
Monta could knock it down from anywhere on the floor, Malik is more of a slasher than a shooter. Big difference..

[CarolinaDawgs]

Mailk is a good college player, but to even put him in the same sentence with Monta is just crazy. Monta is a pure shooter, Mailk is a freak athlete, but not a pure shooter.
Monta could knock it down from anywhere on the floor, Malik is more of a slasher than a shooter. Big difference..

Thank you! I dont even think Malik is that great of a shooter. His shooting mechanics are not near the caliber of elite shooters even in the college game. Monta oughta slap the taste out yalls mouth. Monta career average is 16pts per game. Monta wouldve averaged 25 in college EASY. Malik will never average more than 10pts in an NBA season if he gets to play one. He was extremely overhyped out of high school until proven otherwise.

[Hasu Dackds]

Kansas and Self can get away with throwing truth at Camp Newman, because, well, they are Kansas. Same way Saban can keep all the 5 stars at Bama in line - they can be replaced.

[CovertDawg]

Where are people getting that Malik is a freak athlete? He is not very long and struggles greatly finishing at the rim. There are scouts saying they need to see some type of "burst" from Malik because it has yet to be on display. He was a physically mature kid in high school (not skinny) and that benefited him greatly. Even if he got in phenomenal shape in his year off, burst is often something you either have or you don't. Monta Ellis was pure lightning on the court as he had one of the best first steps in the NBA. It is the reason he could hang around the league so long while being such a lousy defender. All this being said, Malik will be a good college player at Kansas and make very nice money playing ball overseas. Nothing to be ashamed of.

[Dawg61]

Where are people getting that Malik is a freak athlete? He is not very long and struggles greatly finishing at the rim. There are scouts saying they need to see some type of "burst" from Malik because it has yet to be on display. He was a physically mature kid in high school (not skinny) and that benefited him greatly. Even if he got in phenomenal shape in his year off, burst is often something you either have or you don't. Monta Ellis was pure lightning on the court as he had one of the best first steps in the NBA It is the reason he could hang around the league so long while being such a lousy defender. All this being said, Malik will be a good college player at Kansas and make very nice money playing ball overseas. Nothing to be ashamed of.

Newman doesn't have great hops too. I think he dunked one time in a game while at MSU.

[Homedawg]

Camp Newman is Kansas and Self's problem now.. best of luck

This^^^^

[RiverCityDawg]

Thank you! I dont even think Malik is that great of a shooter. His shooting mechanics are not near the caliber of elite shooters even in the college game. Monta oughta slap the taste out yalls mouth. Monta career average is 16pts per game. Monta wouldve averaged 25 in college EASY. Malik will never average more than 10pts in an NBA season if he gets to play one. He was extremely overhyped out of high school until proven otherwise.

THIS. Malik is a streaky 3pt shooter that can't dribble past anyone or finish at the rim on the off chance he does. Monta could get by anyone. Elite quickness and a wizard around the rim. Really good midrange game and okay behind the NBA 3pt line. Would have been great at the college 3.

Malik will never play a full season (if at all) in the NBA. He is a 6-3 shooting guard with no elite skill. Those guys don't make it to the league.

[Tbonewannabe]

Mailk is a good college player, but to even put him in the same sentence with Monta is just crazy. Monta is a pure shooter, Mailk is a freak athlete, but not a pure shooter.
Monta could knock it down from anywhere on the floor, Malik is more of a slasher than a shooter. Big difference..

Between Seth Curry and Montae Ellis, Newman is closer to Ellis. There was a comparision there. I am saying that his handlers think he is on the level of Seth Curry but he is closer to Del Curry. Is that comparison better? Newman has a good shot but he doesn't have great athleticism.

[fishwater99]

We can agree to disagree, did you ever see Monta play in HS? Monta was the real Deal...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMzibjK8_Ws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbYgrKUgFxo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmrsc72Xa94

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXxHUHBaWDo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXEpFomjxzo

[Dawg61]

I am saying that his handlers think he is on the level of Seth Curry but he is closer to Del Curry. Is that comparison better?

No. Del Curry played 16 seasons in the NBA and retired with a career average of 11.7 points. Newman will be lucky to play 16 games in the NBA.

[yjnkdawg]

He hurt our program in several ways. He wasn't some insignificant loss like Ndoye.


I don't think Malik should take all the blame - see Horatio and Omhar.

[Dawg61]

I don't think Malik should take all the blame - see Horatio and Omhar.

Oh Ohmar definitely hasn't escaped blame. He's the number one target actually. Newman is just young and doesn't know how to stand up for himself yet. It's a shame but it's a learning process and nobody can make him do it but himself. Passive demeanor/attitudes don't last in the NBA so he'll either figure it out or be a high school coach in 6 years.