How to Watch the Mississippi State Basketball vs W. Florida Tonight

[TruMaroonTakeover]

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[MCsMGs]

Come to The Hump!

[msstate7]

Come to The Hump!

You there?

[MCsMGs]

You there?

Yep

[msstate7]

W Florida lost 3 starters last season and missing their leading returning scorer from last season... 7-2 West Florida 3 mins deep.

I?m not impressed

[msstate7]

Finally... defense leads to offense

[msstate7]

Not sure I like 4 guards

[raymond21]

Save yourself some misery and don’t watch. Turned it off , can’t watch this poor play

[msstate7]

This is pretty awful

[msstate7]

Yeah, I would not count on postseason play.

[msstate7]

Fouls, TOs, terrible defense, poor rebounding...

[msstate7]

We really need a guard that can stay in front of a driving guard

[BeardoMSU]

Watching us play defense is like watching 5 Peter Sirmons dutch-rudder each other....

[MCsMGs]

But we're shooting good....

[raymond21]

Q is struggling, needs to sit

[MarketingBully]

Howland has turned good shooters into shit. I really am speechless at the effort and concentration our team has at this moment. What is up with Q? He’s missing point blank shots, wide open shots, really all shots. Peters looks like shit right now as well. What did Howland do to these guys?

[MarketingBully]

Herard does pull us down though and is a big reason West Florida had success driving to the goal. That won’t be there for teams when Ado is in the middle.

[starkvegasdawg]

12-2 run to take the lead.

[raymond21]

When our bigs step out on D, we struggle switching out front and getting back in the paint. Not a fan of our D at all

[BeardoMSU]

Herard does pull us down though and is a big reason West Florida had success driving to the goal. That won’t be there for teams when Ado is in the middle.

How is he so bad at D? He doesn't look like he should be as slow as he is?

[msstate7]

Herard does pull us down though and is a big reason West Florida had success driving to the goal. That won’t be there for teams when Ado is in the middle.

Not sure why herard gets blamed for our guards not being able to guard their man in man-to-man

[msstate7]

Finally starting to take control. Very concerned about our poor starts though

[MarketingBully]

That was not a moving screen on Holman. If that’s what they call this year, 80% of all teams will foul out.

[msstate7]

That was not a moving screen on Holman. If that’s what they call this year, 80% of all teams will foul out.

I?m hoping Howland told the officials to call moving screen on anything close... make us play crisp

[msstate7]

I love Carter, but dang dude

[MarketingBully]

I love Carter, but dang dude

Wide open shots and he can make that. I’m okay with that shot.

[MarketingBully]

That starting five can be blamed for the slow start though. I’d start Datcher or Holman at the five until Ado gets back.

[msstate7]

Wide open shots and he can make that. I’m okay with that shot.

Very deep and no ball movement. If he takes it from there, I want it on a kick out pass stepping in, not falling away off the dribble

[msstate7]

Nice transition play

[MarketingBully]

There’s so much talent on this team. It sucks that we started out so poorly. I’ve not been impressed with his choices in his starting fives.

[MarketingBully]

Q is really disappointing. Him and Peters. They have to pick things up 10000% if we are going to be good.

[msstate7]

Finished much better than we started this half. Hopefully we pour it on big time in the 2nd half to get a little momentum headed into the season

[Goldendawg]

Read here that Peters had such a great summer that he will be a NBA lottery pick. Since then I've read he's not in shape and playing terrible tonight? What's the real story?

[MCsMGs]

I don't get the slow starts...forces Howland into making early substitutions. He is still experimenting with different combos and will have to tighten up the rotation. Wright needs more minutes. Our transition offense is deadly...we just don't set very good screens in our sets and it screws up the timing of those plays.

[MarketingBully]

Finished much better than we started this half. Hopefully we pour it on big time in the 2nd half to get a little momentum headed into the season

Oh I agree. The talent is there though. Howland has to get the right guys on the floor though. And we need to hit the wide open perimeter shots when we get them.

[MarketingBully]

Read here that Peters had such a great summer that he will be a NBA lottery pick. Since then I've read he's not in shape and playing terrible tonight? What's the real story?

I really can’t tell you. He was bad ass at the Adidas Nations Tournament in August but he was on Maten’s team who has great hands and can set screens. Without Ado, our bigs are sucking at setting screens and Herard led to two Peters turnovers in the first half.

[MarketingBully]

Should have been a block not a charge.

[Irondawg]

I never thought I’d say this when we hired Howland but we look like we are really poorly coached

[MarketingBully]

I never thought I’d say this when we hired Howland but we look like we are really poorly coached

I don’t know about poorly coached but our starting fives left a lot to be desired. Our screen setting by our bigs is atrocious. We were only able to set 5/18 screens against Nebraska which is putrid. Losing Ado like we did was terrible as I think we easily beat Nebraska with him. Our biggest weakness defensively is teams driving to the basket and with Ado that just won’t happen. Teams won’t be able to do it period.

[MarketingBully]

I understand being conservative with Ado but if he can play in the opener please play him.

[MarketingBully]

For the opener I’d start Nick W at point and Ado at the five.

[HoopsDawg]

. Wright needs more minutes. .

Agree. Wright seems clearly better than Carter.

[MarketingBully]

Agree. Wright seems clearly better than Carter.

So I’d start Nick W at PG and Holman at the five if Ado can’t go and start Wright for Carter so starting five for the opener would be:

PG - Nick W
SG - Q
SF - Wright
PF - Stapleton
C - Holman

That five should get a good start against Alabama State.

[HoopsDawg]

My starting 5 would be: Nick, Peters, Q, X, and Ado. Wright and Holman would play a lot. Those are my Top 7. Then Datcher and Carter would get spot duty.

Feazell would redshirt and Herard wouldn't play much.

[HoopsDawg]

Nick has played outstanding and he has had 2 three's taken away due to illegal screens.

[Irondawg]

To me we just don’t do good things well coached teams do. We are really poor fundamentally on defense and often flat footed and show very little intensity. We don’t block out and rebound with authority. Our shot selection is really poor a lot of the time and we don’t move with purpose on offense. We dribble and cut without really trying to do anything so our spacing is often poor and we just pass to guys that are in spots where they can’t really do anything.

Basically to me we don’t look much different than last year. We might squeak into the NIT but after watching them a few times I give us zero shot at the NCAA

[MCsMGs]

For all those that been dogging Holman, He's putting on a clinic.

[preachermatt83]

After reading this thread I expected to turn it on and it be a 3 point game. We are winning by 30 guys. Cmon.

[HoopsDawg]

For all those that been dogging Holman, He's putting on a clinic.

Datcher and Feazell played the best vs Nebraska. Holman and Nick have played the best tonight. Eli has had a nice all around game as well.

[MarketingBully]

Nick has played outstanding and he has had 2 three's taken away due to illegal screens.

Yep, and we finally have a five (Holman) who is catching Peters’/Nick W’s drop-offs. Early in the game those were going through Herard’s hands.

[MarketingBully]

To me we just don’t do good things well coached teams do. We are really poor fundamentally on defense and often flat footed and show very little intensity. We don’t block out and rebound with authority. Our shot selection is really poor a lot of the time and we don’t move with purpose on offense. We dribble and cut without really trying to do anything so our spacing is often poor and we just pass to guys that are in spots where they can’t really do anything.

Basically to me we don’t look much different than last year. We might squeak into the NIT but after watching them a few times I give us zero shot at the NCAA

We started out pretty shitty but have played well the last 30 minutes or so of the game. I don’t see the same things you do I guess.

[msstate7]

After reading this thread I expected to turn it on and it be a 3 point game. We are winning by 30 guys. Cmon.

Instead of calling guys out, be glad you missed the first 12 mins or so. If we play like we did to start this game vs anyone with a pulse on our schedule, we would lose. This team deserved to be called out

[chef dixon]

It's comical how much stock our fans are putting in Ado. I hope he's good but he's literally never played a college second.

[HoopsDawg]

Boy, Carter is really playing like a chucker tonight.

[HoopsDawg]

It's comical how much stock our fans are putting in Ado. I hope he's good but he's literally never played a college second.

Howland has told us he's our best defender, rebounder, and screener. So we are putting faith in Howland.

[Irondawg]

We started out pretty shitty but have played well the last 30 minutes or so of the game. I don’t see the same things you do I guess.

The competition is making us look better and we are hitting some outside shots now. Like last year if we hit well from outside we will ha g around most games but I still see a very flawed team. We will see though

[msstate7]

It's comical how much stock our fans are putting in Ado. I hope he's good but he's literally never played a college second.

If the sec put out an all time team, ado starts over Shaq. Just saying

[MarketingBully]

Nick is going to be good.

[MarketingBully]

Howland has told us he's our best defender, rebounder, and screener. So we are putting faith in Howland.

Howland said Ado was the best screener he has ever coached.

[MarketingBully]

Man, Nick is definitely a consensus top 30 player.

[HoopsDawg]

Man, Nick is definitely a consensus top 30 player.

He's absolutely explosive, competitive, and confident. Reminds me a little of Stephon Marbury in his GT days.

[msstate7]

Man, Nick is definitely a consensus top 30 player.

In the country?

[MarketingBully]

In the country?

Meant to say recruit. Quite honestly, it’s how domnient I expected Newman to be initially.

[msstate7]

Meant to say recruit. Quite honestly, it’s how domnient I expected Newman to be initially.

Ok, I can go along with that.

[MarketingBully]

They had Peters and Nick W playing together tonight and quite honestly those two at the 1 and 2 putting ball pressure up top with Ado/Holman on the backend will make our defense much much better. I think we are really struggling a lot right now giving Herard too many minutes in the post. He’s going to be really good for us but will more then likely come on his junior and senior year. He is doing too much thinking atm. Eventually we should start Nick W/Peters together with Q, Stapleton and Ado as our starting five. This team has a lot of great potential. We just have to find a temporary starting five that gives us a boost until Ado comes back. The way we finished the game still has me very optimistic regarding the season.

[Cooterpoot]

I?ll be honest. I?ve lost a lot of interest in State basketball. And I don?t see things improving this year. Seems like forever when we were good.

[mstatefan91]

You guys are really freaking out for no reason. We will be fine

[mstatefan91]

After reading this thread I expected to turn it on and it be a 3 point game. We are winning by 30 guys. Cmon.

Chicken little syndrome. It's an exhibition. Why would our guys be excited to play it? If season opener goes this way then be concerned. That's all I have to say.

[MCsMGs]

Chicken little syndrome. It's an exhibition. Why would our guys be excited to play it? If season opener goes this way then be concerned. That's all I have to say.

Pride would be the answer to your question...the coaches have some of the same concerns voiced in this thread.

[mstatefan91]

Pride would be the answer to your question...the coaches have some of the same concerns voiced in this thread.

Glad you speak for of the coaches. I'll have questions for you as the season goes on ;)

[Dawg61]

So I?d start Nick W at PG and Holman at the five if Ado can?t go and start Wright for Carter so starting five for the opener would be:

PG - Nick W
SG - Q
SF - Wright
PF - Stapleton
C - Holman

That five should get a good start against Alabama State.

Wait so you don't want our lottery pick Lamar Peters starting?? Knew that lottery talk hype was bullshit. (not saying you were hyping him, the Vegas writers were). Peters gonna be here a minimum this year and next and I am not bitching about that. He ain't no lottery pick though.

[msstate7]

Glad you speak for of the coaches. I'll have questions for you as the season goes on ;)

Why so hostile? MC is a great basketball poster... he knows his stuff

[Irondawg]

Peters has potentially lottery skill set, but his basketball iq still looks low so I’m very curious how he looks in live games against good defenses

[MCsMGs]

Why so hostile? MC is a great basketball poster... he knows his stuff

Thanks!

While I don't speak "for" the coaches, I do listen to what they say and try to stay engaged as best I can.

[MCsMGs]

Peters has potentially lottery skill set, but his basketball iq still looks low so I’m very curious how he looks in live games against good defenses

Yeah...like that possession early in the game when he had a layup as open as he does during warm ups and he makes a pass that get fumbled and we lose the ball. Ya gotta admire unselfishness, but that was stupid! He's gonna have to get much more consistent if we are gonna compete with good teams. Howland chewed his butt for not taking that lay up.

[Cooterpoot]

Pride would be the answer to your question...the coaches have some of the same concerns voiced in this thread.

This. We were far less talented under Rick Ray but we usually played hard. I’ve not seen guys consistently show the effort needed and they don’t seem to care.

[mstatefan91]

Why so hostile? MC is a great basketball poster... he knows his stuff

Lack of sleep probably. Got a solid 9 hours in and feeling much better. Phew.

The team has issues, no doubt. It's just too early to say that the sky is falling.

[MarketingBully]

This. We were far less talented under Rick Ray but we usually played hard. I’ve not seen guys consistently show the effort needed and they don’t seem to care.

What the hell?

[msstate7]

Lack of sleep probably. Got a solid 9 hours in and feeling much better. Phew.

The team has issues, no doubt. It's just too early to say that the sky is falling.

It is never too early to say the sky is falling

Sincerely,
msstate7

Lol

[Irondawg]

Basically one thing I still want to know - who is the on-court leader of this team? Which player is gonna get in a guy's ear if he's not hustling, etc?

I haven't seen it yet - but if we want to be good, someone has to be that guy