2014 Team vs 2017 Team, Who Wins?

[ShotgunDawg]

I realize that most here will say the 2014 team would win, but I?m just not so sure.

QB - 2014, but getting closer by the day
RB - 2017, a deeper, more physical, less selfish group
OL - 2017 IMO. I understand counter arguments, but this OL is on the cusp of elite. Is Greg Eiland a future 1st rounder? Holy hell I didn’t expect this from a FR
WR - 2014 Easy
DL - Push. Both are outstanding
LB - 2014 by a hair. Maybe a push
DB - 2017 has better safety play and coaching
Kicker - 2017
Punter - Push

The 2014 team could throw the ball better, but this 2017 team is more physical on both sides, with a better OL, and significant better coached defense.

It?s an interesting conversation that I didn?t think we?d ever have.

[msstate7]

Who is the home team? Lol

2014 wins

[dawgday166]

2014. Next year tho ... could possibly be different story.

[Hasu Dackds]

2014, this isn't a comparison.

The biggest problem the 2014 team had is that it lost its edge when it became #1.

[PMDawg]

2014 by double digits. Dak runs circlea around Fitz as a passer. And he had WRs. Dak, bear, and Ross would embarass our CBs.

[dawgday166]

I realize that most here will say the 2014 team would win, but I?m just not so sure.

QB - 2014, but getting closer by the day
RB - 2017, a deeper, more physical, less selfish group
OL - 2017 IMO. I understand counter arguments, but this OL is on the cusp of elite. Is Greg Eiland a future 1st rounder? Holy hell I didn’t expect this from a FR
WR - 2014 Easy
DL - Push. Both are outstanding
LB - 2014 by a hair. Maybe a push
DB - 2017 has better safety play and coaching
Kicker - 2017
Punter - Push

The 2014 team could throw the ball better, but this 2017 team is more physical on both sides, with a better OL, and significant better coached defense.

It?s an interesting conversation that I didn?t think we?d ever have.

I agree on O except OL. Disagree on DL and DB. DL had Smith & Jones both doing pretty darn good in the league. DL does have potential tho to be better. DB ... safety & corner play was better IMO. They held Cooper to 80 yds receiving in TTown. No one else except maybe OSU held him that low. When OM lit us up late down middle with Engram, Cox had been dismissed from team and Market tore his achilles early in that game. We were down 2 safeties.

Caveat is that was a very senior laden team. This team still has another year. This may very well be a deeper team tho too.

[msstate7]

2014 by double digits. Dak runs circlea around Fitz as a passer. And he had WRs. Dak, bear, and Ross would embarass our CBs.

I do not know about a whipping now. 2017 defense is much better. The one weakness 2017 defense has is dak?s biggest weakness... the deep ball

[dawgday166]

I do not know about a whipping now. 2017 defense is much better. The one weakness 2017 defense has is dak?s biggest weakness... the deep ball

On paper maybe ha! Seriously, if you go back and watch that team, they shut everyone down when they needed too and a lot of yards teams got against them was after we had big leads and started substituting. LSU and TAM were both that way. Bama only gained 323 against that team ... offense and ST put D in hole several times early in that game ... we win that one if they don't. OM only team that whupped them when it counted.

But I think you're right about 2014 not running off an leaving this team. I don't believe they would just whup up on them big time or anything like that.

We'll see how they play at home against Bama in 2 weeks. That will be a good measuring stick.

[msstate7]

On paper maybe ha! Seriously, if you go back and watch that team, they shut everyone down when they needed too and a lot of yards teams got against them was after we had big leads and started substituting. LSU and TAM were both that way. Bama only gained 323 against that team ... offense and ST put D in hole several times early in that game ... we win that one if they don't. OM only team that whupped them when it counted.

But I think you're right about 2014 not running off an leaving this team. I don't believe they would just whup up on them big time or anything like that.

We'll see how they play at home against Bama in 2 weeks. That will be a good measuring stick.

Scoring defense...
17 - 17.4 ppg, 14 - 21.4

Rush defense...
17 - 123.75 ypg, 14 - 151.54

Pass def...
17 - 158 ypg, 14 - 272.8 ypg (last in sec)

Total def...
17 - 281.8 ypg, 14 - 424.4 ypg

We have held our last 2 sec opps to 260 and 285 yds. We held 2 teams in 2014 under 300 (vandy and usm).

ETA... we held LSU to 270 yards. Those 3 sec teams we completely shut down are a combined 19-7 overall

[ShotgunDawg]

It’s a good debate boys.

Try really hard to disassociate what you know about a players NFL career. It’s difficult
to do, but it distorts and biases the conversation.

[msstate7]

It’s a good debate boys.

Try really hard to disassociate what you know about a players NFL career. It’s difficult
to do, but it distorts and biases the conversation.

This plays a huge part. Dak and Chris jones were great, but I think people see them now and inflate how good they were then.

I think 2014 would win, but 2017 would give them hell physically

[Sacrifice]

It would be a great game this years D is better than 2014s D

[msstate7]

It would be a great game this years D is better than 2014s D

Not even close either

[basedog]

With so much excitement about this team I could care less about comparing, I'd rather look forward and talk about the future!

Just saying, who cares, the season isn't over!

[Todd4State]

2017 because of Grantham vs 1A/1B. Christmann wins the game on a field goal.

[bostondawg]

It’s a good debate boys.

Try really hard to disassociate what you know about a players NFL career. It’s difficult
to do, but it distorts and biases the conversation.

Excellent point.

Although people in this thread are making the 2014 defense sound worse than it really was. Collins did a great job with that group. Also Will Redmond was on that team, who was the number 1 senior corner prospect until he tore his ACL. This year's defense doesn't really have a lockdown corner. Although I will say that I love watching Dantzler at corner, he needs to play more. We probably have better safety play this year though. And more depth at the corner position. Good players like Peters stepping up when needed.

Linebackers go to 2014, and I don't think it's particularly close. I'd give DL an edge to 2014 as well. Probably give the coaching edge to this year's D though. Grantham has done an unbelievable job.

Offense was better in 2014 at every position. Do think we're deeper at RB this year, but JRob was a force. Never should have left early. WRs obviously go to 2014. The OL meshed well in 2014. Although I do agree that this year's squad has come out of the woodwork. There are some guys playing really well right now. Props to Hevesy with this year's coaching job. And QB isn't even close, Dak by a mile. We could throw the ball in 2014. We can't this year. It's as simple as that.

On a neutral field 2014 beats this year's squad by 2 TDs.

[Sacrifice]

2014s D finished the season ranked #86 in total D and #50 against the run. They would have problems with this years offense. I actually think it would be a toss up especially the way 14 ended the season

[Coach007]

I realize that most here will say the 2014 team would win, but I?m just not so sure.

QB - 2014, but getting closer by the day
RB - 2017, a deeper, more physical, less selfish group
OL - 2017 IMO. I understand counter arguments, but this OL is on the cusp of elite. Is Greg Eiland a future 1st rounder? Holy hell I didn’t expect this from a FR
WR - 2014 Easy
DL - Push. Both are outstanding
LB - 2014 by a hair. Maybe a push
DB - 2017 has better safety play and coaching
Kicker - 2017
Punter - Push

The 2014 team could throw the ball better, but this 2017 team is more physical on both sides, with a better OL, and significant better coached defense.

It?s an interesting conversation that I didn?t think we?d ever have.

Defense defense defense....


the 2014 defense was ranked 114th in passing defense and 44 in rush defense. total D 84th.
vs
This team is ranked 6th in total defense, 22nd in rush D, and 4th in passing.


Defensive weakness known, I would have to go with this team would win at THIS point in the season. But my heart would go with DAK...

[Coach007]

2017 because of Grantham vs 1A/1B. Christmann wins the game on a field goal.

We could play the "What if Grantham coached the 2014 D"

LOL!

[msstate7]

Excellent point.

Although people in this thread are making the 2014 defense sound worse than it really was. Collins did a great job with that group. Also Will Redmond was on that team, who was the number 1 senior corner prospect until he tore his ACL. This year's defense doesn't really have a lockdown corner. Although I will say that I love watching Dantzler at corner, he needs to play more. We probably have better safety play this year though. And more depth at the corner position. Good players like Peters stepping up when needed.

Linebackers go to 2014, and I don't think it's particularly close. I'd give DL an edge to 2014 as well. Probably give the coaching edge to this year's D though. Grantham has done an unbelievable job.

Offense was better in 2014 at every position. Do think we're deeper at RB this year, but JRob was a force. Never should have left early. WRs obviously go to 2014. The OL meshed well in 2014. Although I do agree that this year's squad has come out of the woodwork. There are some guys playing really well right now. Props to Hevesy with this year's coaching job. And QB isn't even close, Dak by a mile. We could throw the ball in 2014. We can't this year. It's as simple as that.

On a neutral field 2014 beats this year's squad by 2 TDs.

You give the defensive groups a decided advantage in 2014, but 2014?s defense was pretty lousy. 2017 is a good defense.

[PMDawg]

I do not know about a whipping now. 2017 defense is much better. The one weakness 2017 defense has is dak?s biggest weakness... the deep ball

2014 MSU >>>> 2017 Auburn. 49-10. You dont remember Dak abusing CBs on the back shoulder throws? 2014 MSU never lost 80-13 in back to back weeks. 2014 would win going away. Stupid thread is stupid.

[msstate7]

2014 MSU >>>> 2017 Auburn. 49-10. You dont remember Dak abusing CBs on the back shoulder throws? 2014 MSU never lost 80-13 in back to back weeks. 2014 would win going away. Stupid thread is stupid.

Dude, chill... no one is trying to ruin your frames SI poster. I even said 2014 would win. You have issues

[bostondawg]

You give the defensive groups a decided advantage in 2014, but 2014?s defense was pretty lousy. 2017 is a good defense.

Yeah I guess I was trying to defend that 2014 defense, but since people starting putting out the numbers, they were much worse than I remembered. Perhaps I'd take the 2014 team before the wheels fell off against Bama? Lol.

[PMDawg]

This year's defense is greatly bolstered by the fact that we have only played 2 teams that can pass the ball. Those two teams averaged 40 ppg against us. If A&M had a decent QB yesterday, that's a much different game.

[PMDawg]

Dude, chill... no one is trying to ruin your frames SI poster. I even said 2014 would win. You have issues

No issues. Its just silly to compare a slightly above average team to our best team ever. 2014 was maybe the best SECW ever. This year it is not a good division. Apples and oranges.

[Todd4State]

We could play the "What if Grantham coached the 2014 D"

LOL!

If Grantham was our DC in 2014 we go undefeated. Our 1B guys gave up too many critical touchdown drives against both Bama and Ole Miss. And when I say undefeated I mean regular season.

[Hasu Dackds]

If Grantham was our DC in 2014 we go undefeated. Our 1B guys gave up too many critical touchdown drives against both Bama and Ole Miss. And when I say undefeated I mean regular season.

You have lost your mind. Horrible take. Collins is a better DC than Grantham. That's proven, because Collins is now a head coach.

As far as Bama 14, I recall Dak having 2 or 3 red zone turnovers. The D only gave up 25 points on the road. It did its job.

Ole Miss 2014, Collins had packed it in as he was headed to Florida. Can't argue that one.

Bottom line, the 2014 team beats 2017 by 2 TDs. The SEC is worse now than it was then, overall.

[bulldawg28]

You have lost your mind. Horrible take. Collins is a better DC than Grantham. That's proven, because Collins is now a head coach.

As far as Bama 14, I recall Dak having 2 or 3 red zone turnovers. The D only gave up 25 points on the road. It did its job.

Ole Miss 2014, Collins had packed it in as he was headed to Florida. Can't argue that one.

Bottom line, the 2014 team beats 2017 by 2 TDs. The SEC is worse now than it was then, overall.

Wrong, MSU Collins was not. Maybe the Florida version was in the same ballgame.

[bulldawg28]

This year's defense is greatly bolstered by the fact that we have only played 2 teams that can pass the ball. Those two teams averaged 40 ppg against us. If A&M had a decent QB yesterday, that's a much different game.

You're right. It would have been more ints and sacks for us