Fitz is a better college Qb than Dak

[bulldawg28]

That is all

[West Tn Dawg]

He's doing very well, but I think that's a little premature.

[Mutt the Hoople]

https://media.giphy.com/media/33zf55nu5FRf2/giphy.gif

[Saltydog]

NT

[Dallas_Dawg]

He's damn good but he's not as good as Dak. Yet

[MaroonState]

That is all

Shut your whore mouth!

[MSUDAWGFAN]

That is all

No. Not yet. He is getting there, but Dak was elite. Fitz is getting close, but he has to be able to throw a better ball. And he is getting there. I think he can.

[msstate7]

I don?t agree, yet... nick is coming on though big time

[Liverpooldawg]

That is all

Not yet

[DownwardDawg]

Much better runner. Much worse passer.

[bulldawg28]

In 2014 We win 1 more game with Fitz at Qb

[BB30]

In 2014 We win 1 more game with Fitz at Qb

Not sure about that but if we had this years d with that team I believe we win 2 more reg season games.

[Johnson85]

That is all

No, dak is better, but there could be teams that fitz would be a better fit for. That's pretty damn good.

[Liverpooldawg]

In 2014 We win 1 more game with Fitz at Qb

If Dak hadn't got banged up against UK we might hVe won them all that year.

[Liverpooldawg]

Not sure about that but if we had this years d with that team I believe we win 2 more reg season games.

We would have won it all.

[basedog]

Does it really matter?

[LC Dawg]

Does it really matter?
This is the correct response.

[Quaoarsking]

Top 10 SEC Quarterbacks this decade (2011-present), made with a minimal amount of research so I won't stand by these if pressed:

1. Johnny Manziel
2. Dak Prescott
3. Aaron Murray
4. AJ McCarron
5. Nick Fitzgerald
6. Chad Kelly
7. Brandon Allen
8. James Franklin
9. Connor Shaw
10. Jalen Hurts

[BuckyIsAB****]

If Guidry is as good as advertised we may score 40 per game next year. Might already be averaging 40 actually

[Jack Lambert]

I do think when he has he ball he is more determine to get into the End Zone. Fitz will carry three, four and five guys and still get in.

[BrunswickDawg]

That is all

Dude, I’m the biggest Fitz homer on this board and I don’t even think that.

[tcdog70]

He is without a doubt the toughest Mfer in the SEC

[Political Hack]

Not yet, but he could be pretty quickly. He's not turning the ball over and he's wracking up TDs left and right. Kid looks like a faster, more powerful Tim Tebow. I actually think he's good enough to give us a shot against Bama, but they're going to hit about 3 passes over the top and run the ball well against us. That'll be hard to keep up with it.

[Cooterpoot]

He?s not close. Just faster.

[TUSK]

no.

[bulldawg28]

Does it really matter?

Not really. I am just giving Fitz his proper due recognition

[bulldawg28]

He?s not close. Just faster.

Stats alone prove you wrong

[Reason2succeed]

Top 10 SEC Quarterbacks this decade (2011-present), made with a minimal amount of research so I won't stand by these if pressed:

1. Johnny Manziel
2. Dak Prescott
3. Aaron Murray
4. AJ McCarron
5. Nick Fitzgerald
6. Chad Kelly
7. Brandon Allen
8. James Franklin
9. Connor Shaw
10. Jalen Hurts


The most obvious oversight is sCam Newton. He's my #1 guy since he actually had a perfect record and won the NC.

Fitz is a better runner. If he cleans up his passing and his receivers step up next year watch out. The addition of a power running game that Dak didn't legitimately have and an even better defense will give Fitzgerald's team an opportunity to do what Dak's couldn't.

[Cooterpoot]

Stats alone prove you wrong

No they don’t. Fitz hasn’t won enough big games. It’s like saying a .250 hitter with 20 HRs is a great hitter. Fun to watch though. Let’s see how next year goes.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

The most obvious oversight is sCam Newton. He's my #1 guy since he actually had a perfect record and won the NC.

Fitz is a better runner. If he cleans up his passing and his receivers step up next year watch out. The addition of a power running game that Dak didn't legitimately have and an even better defense will give Fitzgerald's team an opportunity to do what Dak's couldn't.

I saw that too, but in second look he said from 2011-present. Cam was in 2010.

[mstatefan91]

Dak carried our team in 2015 with no help in the back field and a lackluster defense. Nick has a good backfield and a good defense.

[msstate7]

Delete

[PassInterference]

When Dak was QB, 3rd & 12 was the same as 3rd & 2. No big deal. Dak could pick teams a part. Not so much on the deep ball, but from 20 yards in. And Dak could read a defense like Sunday morning comics. He always knew where the open man was.

Nick ain?t there yet.

Nick is not the next Dak. Nick is the first Nick Fitzgerald. Faster than Dak. Better runner than Dak.

Fitz has taken a step up with the passing game the last couple games. Let?s hope he continues to get better.

I think we could have a shot against Bama. Could. Not saying it?s likely. We?ve got to play lights out. Gotta be sharp. And Bama has to have an off day. If Bama plays is like they played A&M...it if Bama plays us like they played Ole Miss one time with 5 turnover gifts...

[Dawgface]

Nah. Fitz is good and I wish we could have a QB as good as him every year, but not better than Dak.

[Maroonthirteen]

When Dak was QB, 3rd & 12 was the same as 3rd & 2. No big deal. Dak could pick teams a part. Not so much on the deep ball, but from 20 yards in. And Dak could read a defense like Sunday morning comics. He always knew where the open man was.

Nick ain?t there yet.

Nick is not the next Dak. Nick is the first Nick Fitzgerald. Faster than Dak. Better runner than Dak.

Fitz has taken a step up with the passing game the last couple games. Let?s hope he continues to get better.

...

This. ^^^^^. Hammer meets nail.

[Offshore Dawg]

You folks do realize that you are discussing and arguing about MSU having two very good Quaterbacks back to back plus one more on the roster and another one committed.

Hell people the dawgs have been lucky to of had a serviceable QB in the past. Lets enjoy the times we have now.

[msstate7]

When Dak was QB, 3rd & 12 was the same as 3rd & 2. No big deal. Dak could pick teams a part. Not so much on the deep ball, but from 20 yards in. And Dak could read a defense like Sunday morning comics. He always knew where the open man was.

Nick ain?t there yet.

Nick is not the next Dak. Nick is the first Nick Fitzgerald. Faster than Dak. Better runner than Dak.

Fitz has taken a step up with the passing game the last couple games. Let?s hope he continues to get better.

I think we could have a shot against Bama. Could. Not saying it?s likely. We?ve got to play lights out. Gotta be sharp. And Bama has to have an off day. If Bama plays is like they played A&M...it if Bama plays us like they played Ole Miss one time with 5 turnover gifts...

Maybe, but we convert 3rd downs at a higher rate this year than in 2014.

[thf24]

In 2014 We win 1 more game with Fitz at Qb

It's much more likely that we'd lose several more games with current Fitz in 2015 than we'd win one more in 2014.

[PassInterference]

It's much more likely that we'd lose several more games with current Fitz in 2015 than we'd win one more in 2014.

The issue in those years was defense and depth.

2014 started going south when J Lewis got hurt. Without him, we didn?t have enough weapons. With him, we had too many weapons for a defense to handle.

[BeastMan]

Beat Bama and you can go there. Fitz is showing progression throwing the ball but he's not there yet. As I've said a million times, stop trying to make Fitz Dak and enjoy him for what he is

[I seen it dawg]

Fitz has to get a lot better as a passer to get there. There is no doubt he’s a tough ****er and great runner. But as far as a thrower and decision maker he’s not close.

[thf24]

The issue in those years was defense and depth.

True, but we could run the ball outside the QB position in 2014. By far the primary reason we had the success we did in 2015 was Dak maturing into a near elite passer by that time and putting on some incredible performances given what he had to work with. Substitute present Fitz into that position and keep everything else the same, and that season would most likely have looked very different. Probably not far removed from 2016.

[RougeDawg]

Ahhhhh. How far have we come? From arguing over a West Coast shit offense to now arguing whether or not our current QB is better than our last ?NFL rookie of the year? QB!!!

I?m just happy that we have actual sports to speak of on a sports board. Not ascots and seersucker.

[Spiderman]

That is all

OMG

[msstate7]

There is a metric... ESPN?s QBR

Dak in 2014 = 74.5 (19th nationally)
Dak in 2015 = 78.8 (14th nationally)

Fitz in 2016 = 77.4 (19th nationally)
Fitz in 2017 = 82.8 (5th nationally)

http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr

Fitz is a soph and junior vs dak junior and senior. ESPN QBR supports OP

[Spiderman]

There is a metric... ESPN?s QBR

Dak in 2014 = 74.5 (19th nationally)
Dak in 2015 = 78.8 (14th nationally)

Fitz in 2016 = 77.4 (19th nationally)
Fitz in 2017 = 82.8 (5th nationally)

http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr

Fitz is a soph and junior vs dak junior and senior. ESPN QBR supports OP

All well and good, but if you are picking a team to go play this week, who you picking to play QB?

I'll take Dak, in his college days

[bulldawg28]

All well and good, but if you are picking a team to go play this week, who you picking to play QB?

I'll take Dak, in his college days

Your looking at Dak playing for the Cowboys

[Intramural All-American]

Your looking at Dak playing for the Cowboys

Dude, literally every single person in this thread has disagreed with you. You have your opinion, and that's fine. But you're not going to convince people that Fitz is better than Dak was. Fitz is a superior runner without a doubt. Dak was far and away more polished of a passer, and he did pretty well running himself.

[Sacrifice]

If Fitz gets any better throwing the football and I think he will, he?ll be in NY at the heisman trophy ceremony. He?s already on pace to smash Tebow?s rushing record by a qb

[bulldawg28]

Dude, literally every single person in this thread has disagreed with you. You have your opinion, and that's fine. But you're not going to convince people that Fitz is better than Dak was. Fitz is a superior runner without a doubt. Dak was far and away more polished of a passer, and he did pretty well running himself.

Do you think I made this to get agreement? I'm not looking for popularity. Most of the same people said we'd win 6 games max this year. I said 8 was our floor. I even challenged a "Random poster" with a bet. My opinion is Fitz is better. That's no knock on Dak he just can't do things Fitz can.

[Spiderman]

Your looking at Dak playing for the Cowboys

God Almighty, 99% of the folks on this board need a reading comprehension class. Did I not write "In his college days"? Dak in the Liberty Bowl, at LSU, Vs Aub, vs A&M etc THROWING THE BALL, Fitz has never come close to having games like that, making those throws

Cowboys be damned, I'd want Dak

[msstate7]

God Almighty, 99% of the folks on this board need a reading comprehension class. Did I not write "In his college days"? Dak in the Liberty Bowl, at LSU, Vs Aub, vs A&M etc THROWING THE BALL, Fitz has never come close to having games like that, making those throws

Cowboys be damned, I'd want Dak

Dak never ran for 1,000 yards in a season either. Barring injury, this will be fitz?s 2nd year in a row to do it. I still like dak better at the moment, but ESPN?s non-partial QBR shows OP isn?t presenting a ridiculous argument

[Spiderman]

Dak never ran for 1,000 yards in a season either. Barring injury, this will be fitz?s 2nd year in a row to do it. I still like dak better at the moment, but ESPN?s non-partial QBR shows OP isn?t presenting a ridiculous argument

Dak didn't have to. Fitz is faster, but Dak made a ton of plays with his legs. Again, we could call different with Dak.

[bulldawg28]

Dak never ran for 1,000 yards in a season either. Barring injury, this will be fitz?s 2nd year in a row to do it. I still like dak better at the moment, but ESPN?s non-partial QBR shows OP isn?t presenting a ridiculous argument

*You must spread reputation*

[bulldawg28]

Dak didn't have to. Fitz is faster, but Dak made a ton of plays with his legs. Again, we could call different with Dak.

What could you call with Dak that you couldn't with Fitz? I love Dak but EVERY game we've won with Dak would also been won with Fitz. Also, every game we lost with Fitz we also lose with Dak.

[bulldawg28]

This thread obviously is all moot opinions. I just love the attitude, fearlessness, and competitiveness Fitz possesses. He's a baaaaddddd man!

[tcdog70]

Dude, literally every single person in this thread has disagreed with you. You have your opinion, and that's fine. But you're not going to convince people that Fitz is better than Dak was. Fitz is a superior runner without a doubt. Dak was far and away more polished of a passer, and he did pretty well running himself.

Dak, had way better people to throw to. Fitz yesterday had some tight ends and ole # 20 who can't catch a cold. And Dak couldn't beat A&M and Fitz has beat them twice

[dawgday166]

Dak, had way better people to throw to. Fitz yesterday had some tight ends and ole # 20 who can't catch a cold. And Dak couldn't beat A&M and Fitz has beat them twice

Dak did beat A&M his Jr year. We waxed them. Score was closer than actual game.

[Spiderman]

What could you call with Dak that you couldn't with Fitz? I love Dak but EVERY game we've won with Dak would also been won with Fitz. Also, every game we lost with Fitz we also lose with Dak.

3rd and 10, game on the line, you get Dak his Jr year or Fitz this year, which do you pick?

I pick Dak

[msstate7]

3rd and 10, game on the line, you get Dak his Jr year or Fitz this year, which do you pick?

I pick Dak

Dak

3rd and 3 though, I want fitz

[Sacrifice]

How about on the road, 5:45 left in the 3rd quarter, 4th and 3 against OM, leading 27-20 in last years egg bowl. Fitz hits Ross on a crossing route for a 35 yard TD!

[bulldawg28]

3rd and 10, game on the line, you get Dak his Jr year or Fitz this year, which do you pick?

I pick Dak

Fitz. He has a better chance of throwing and running for it. With that distance either the LB's are blitzing or dropping back. If they blitz he can hit the outside WR. If they drop he can run and get separation enough to gain the 1st down

[BeardoMSU]

In response to this thread, Ruby Rhod say....

https://media1.tenor.com/images/8fec2197b6f185f66091467e899b44c2/tenor.gif?itemid=4728147

[BeardoMSU]

Fitz. He has a better chance of throwing and running for it. With that distance either the LB's are blitzing or dropping back. If they blitz he can hit the outside WR. If they drop he can run and get separation enough to gain the 1st down

I love Fitz, but you crazy, homie. It's like you guys are too spoiled with our QB play the past several years. Don't start losing your minds...

[msstate7]

About the 3rd down question... we are converting 3rd downs at a higher rate than in 14 and 15

I never wanna see this thread end

[bulldawg28]

I love Fitz, but you crazy, homie. It's like you guys are too spoiled with our QB play the past several years. Don't start losing your minds...

Dak became a legend on the Ole Miss 4th down conversion. Fitz makes that same play. I just want one game that Dak won that Fitz wouldn't have done the same.

[bulldawg28]

About the 3rd down question... we are converting 3rd downs at a higher rate than in 14 and 15

I never wanna see this thread end

Fitz is a badddddd man!

[Spiderman]

Dak became a legend on the Ole Miss 4th down conversion. Fitz makes that same play. I just want one game that Dak won that Fitz wouldn't have done the same.

Ark. 15 off the top of my head

[bulldawg28]

Ark. 15 off the top of my head

You honesty don't think Fitz could have pulled that game off?

[Schultzy]

No

To the OP

[Spiderman]

You honesty don't think Fitz could have pulled that game off?

No, not throwing the ball that night in a shoot out

[bulldawg28]

No, not throwing the ball that night in a shoot out

We didn't have to throw that's what we chose to do.

[bulldawg28]

No

To the OP

Dak wouldn't have beat A&M last year in Starkville. Heck, we lose last night with Dak. The sacks would have mounted up. Fitz avoids the rush

[Quaoarsking]

You honesty don't think Fitz could have pulled that game off?

No, current Fitz loses that game by double digits. But it's not exactly a fair comparison since that was late in Dak's senior year and Fitz could still develop into a guy that could win that game.

[Intramural All-American]

Fitz. He has a better chance of throwing and running for it. With that distance either the LB's are blitzing or dropping back. If they blitz he can hit the outside WR. If they drop he can run and get separation enough to gain the 1st down

Dak's career passer rating is 146, and that's drastically brought down by his sophomore year. Fitz has been in the 120s the past two years. Dak was the frontrunner for the Heisman through 9 games his junior season and he finished #7 I believe as the best player in college football that year. Then his senior year he threw 29 tds to only 5 picks. Daks senior season his completion percentage was 10 points higher than nicks current percentage.

Fitz is an elite runner, but he is nowhere near the complete package that Dak was. Fitz hasn't had to throw the ball this year, but when he has, he's failed to do so and we've gotten blown out. He also got benched at LSU last year because he couldn't pass.

In regards to one of your questions, dak would have beaten BYU last year, USA last year, and maybe Kentucky (that wasn't on Fitz, tho). Nick would not have beaten LSU in BR in 14.

Dak was a very good passer that had above average legs. He could beat you with both. Fitz is an elite runner but below average passer. If you shut down the run, Fitz can't beat you through the air. Fortunately, we've only needed Nick to really throw it in 2 games this year, and will only need him to 1 other game (He wont).

[BeardoMSU]

You honesty don't think Fitz could have pulled that game off?

Dak threw for almost 500 yards....

[BeardoMSU]

No, current Fitz loses that game by double digits. But it's not exactly a fair comparison since that was late in Dak's senior year and Fitz could still develop into a guy that could win that game.

This is very true, but ain't close to being there yet....

I hope he gets there, though. I'd love it.

[msstate7]

Dak's career passer rating is 146, and that's drastically brought down by his sophomore year. Fitz has been in the 120s the past two years. Dak was the frontrunner for the Heisman through 9 games his junior season and he finished #7 I believe as the best player in college football that year. Then his senior year he threw 29 tds to only 5 picks. Daks senior season his completion percentage was 10 points higher than nicks current percentage.

Fitz is an elite runner, but he is nowhere near the complete package that Dak was. Fitz hasn't had to throw the ball this year, but when he has, he's failed to do so and we've gotten blown out. He also got benched at LSU last year because he couldn't pass.

In regards to one of your questions, dak would have beaten BYU last year, USA last year, and maybe Kentucky (that wasn't on Fitz, tho). Nick would not have beaten LSU in BR in 14.

Dak was a very good passer that had above average legs. He could beat you with both. Fitz is an elite runner but below average passer. If you shut down the run, Fitz can't beat you through the air. Fortunately, we've only needed Nick to really throw it in 2 games this year, and will only need him to 1 other game (He wont).

Again, an impartial metric (espn qbr) disagrees with you that dak was a more complete package. Do I agree with it? No, not entirely, but its unbiased and it clearly favors fitz.

You guys keep bringing up passing, but the OP said better college qb. Tommie Frazier is lightyears ahead of both of them as a college qb and was not a passer at all. Running is a huge part of being a good college qb.

[Commercecomet24]

I?m 53 and I?ve watched a lot of bad to mediocre qbs play at State. I used to wish we could have just that one elite qb like everyone else seemed to have. I think it?s cool that we have reached the point where we are discussing which one is the best ever. Both of these guys are better than anyone in our history and we got more in the pipeline. QBU! Dang don?t it feel good!

[Intramural All-American]

Again, an impartial metric (espn qbr) disagrees with you that dak was a more complete package. Do I agree with it? No, not entirely, but its unbiased and it clearly favors fitz.

You guys keep bringing up passing, but the OP said better college qb. Tommie Frazier is lightyears ahead of both of them as a college qb and was not a passer at all. Running is a huge part of being a good college qb.

No, QBR shows that Nick is an elite runner (top 2 in the country), but a poor passer. His running ability makes up the vast majority of that. I would not call someone a complete package who is viewed as a liability as a passer.

Fitz has 1986 total yards this year. He's on pace for 3200 total yards this year. Dak put up 4500 total yards his jr year and 4300 his Sr year.

[TUSK]

Dak's career passer rating is 146, and that's drastically brought down by his sophomore year. Fitz has been in the 120s the past two years. Dak was the frontrunner for the Heisman through 9 games his junior season and he finished #7 I believe as the best player in college football that year. Then his senior year he threw 29 tds to only 5 picks. Daks senior season his completion percentage was 10 points higher than nicks current percentage.

Fitz is an elite runner, but he is nowhere near the complete package that Dak was. Fitz hasn't had to throw the ball this year, but when he has, he's failed to do so and we've gotten blown out. He also got benched at LSU last year because he couldn't pass.

In regards to one of your questions, dak would have beaten BYU last year, USA last year, and maybe Kentucky (that wasn't on Fitz, tho). Nick would not have beaten LSU in BR in 14.

Dak was a very good passer that had above average legs. He could beat you with both. Fitz is an elite runner but below average passer. If you shut down the run, Fitz can't beat you through the air. Fortunately, we've only needed Nick to really throw it in 2 games this year, and will only need him to 1 other game (He wont).

I like this post... I just think Fitz's weakness as a passer (specifically TD/INT Ratio, Yds/ATT, etc) makes a comparison to a cat like Dak a stretch, IMO....

[msstate7]

No, QBR shows that Nick is an elite runner (top 2 in the country), but a poor passer. His running ability makes up the vast majority of that. I would not call someone a complete package who is viewed as a liability as a passer.

Fitz has 1986 total yards this year. He's on pace for 3200 total yards this year. Dak put up 4500 total yards his jr year and 4300 his Sr year.

According to ESPN, QBR was developed to measure the degree to which a quarterback contributed to scoring points for the team, and also to a win by the team. For example, completing a pass to earn a first down at the quarterback's own 20-yard-line with 30 seconds left in the game is unlikely to lead to any points for his team, but if they are already leading it increases the probability of winning, as it usually enables the leading team to run out the clock. This second criterion is quantified using a "win probability" function which ESPN developed by analyzing data for each play of NFL games over the previous decade.

The computation requires an examination of each play in which the quarterback was involved. For each play, the change in the expected value of the points scored by the two teams is determined along with the maximum possible change in points for each team. The net points gained by the offense on the play are divided between the players involved in the play based on how much each contributed to the points gained or lost. For example, on a play where the quarterback immediately hands the ball off to a running back after the snap, the quarterback's contribution is negligible. On passing plays the quarterback is likely to have a major contribution, along with the blockers and the receiver. The resulting value is compared to the maximum possible net point gain, and this comparison leads to a "net points percentage" value between 0 and 100 for the quarterback on each play which roughly represents the percentage of the possible point gain that the quarterback produced. This value is transformed so that a value of 50 represents the average net point gain of an NFL quarterback on the play.

The win probability function is then used to compute a "clutch index" for each play ranging from 0.3 to 3.0, with higher values corresponding to plays that have a greater influence on winning or losing the game. The QBR is obtained by taking the weighted average of the "points gained percentage" for each play, with each play having a weight equal to its clutch index. Thus the QBR has a range from 0 to 100 with 50 being considered average.[4]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_quarterback_rating

I love qbr as a stat. There are QBs that rack up garbage stats that run up their passing rating all over the country. Qbr is a much better stat that passer rating. I?m not saying dak racked up garbage stats at all... I love dak and rate him better myself; but I respect qbr so maybe fitz is a hell of lot better than most state give him credit for

[bulldawg28]

According to ESPN, QBR was developed to measure the degree to which a quarterback contributed to scoring points for the team, and also to a win by the team. For example, completing a pass to earn a first down at the quarterback's own 20-yard-line with 30 seconds left in the game is unlikely to lead to any points for his team, but if they are already leading it increases the probability of winning, as it usually enables the leading team to run out the clock. This second criterion is quantified using a "win probability" function which ESPN developed by analyzing data for each play of NFL games over the previous decade.

The computation requires an examination of each play in which the quarterback was involved. For each play, the change in the expected value of the points scored by the two teams is determined along with the maximum possible change in points for each team. The net points gained by the offense on the play are divided between the players involved in the play based on how much each contributed to the points gained or lost. For example, on a play where the quarterback immediately hands the ball off to a running back after the snap, the quarterback's contribution is negligible. On passing plays the quarterback is likely to have a major contribution, along with the blockers and the receiver. The resulting value is compared to the maximum possible net point gain, and this comparison leads to a "net points percentage" value between 0 and 100 for the quarterback on each play which roughly represents the percentage of the possible point gain that the quarterback produced. This value is transformed so that a value of 50 represents the average net point gain of an NFL quarterback on the play.

The win probability function is then used to compute a "clutch index" for each play ranging from 0.3 to 3.0, with higher values corresponding to plays that have a greater influence on winning or losing the game. The QBR is obtained by taking the weighted average of the "points gained percentage" for each play, with each play having a weight equal to its clutch index. Thus the QBR has a range from 0 to 100 with 50 being considered average.[4]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_quarterback_rating

I love qbr as a stat. There are QBs that rack up garbage stats that run up their passing rating all over the country. Qbr is a much better stat that passer rating. I?m not saying dak racked up garbage stats at all... I love dak and rate him better myself; but I respect qbr so maybe fitz is a hell of lot better than most state give him credit for

Fitz for heisman! He's even on the hands team.

[bulldawg28]

Dak threw for almost 500 yards....

I said win the game not throw for more yards. Fitz would have won that same game his way.

[bulldawg28]

Dak's career passer rating is 146, and that's drastically brought down by his sophomore year. Fitz has been in the 120s the past two years. Dak was the frontrunner for the Heisman through 9 games his junior season and he finished #7 I believe as the best player in college football that year. Then his senior year he threw 29 tds to only 5 picks. Daks senior season his completion percentage was 10 points higher than nicks current percentage.

Fitz is an elite runner, but he is nowhere near the complete package that Dak was. Fitz hasn't had to throw the ball this year, but when he has, he's failed to do so and we've gotten blown out. He also got benched at LSU last year because he couldn't pass.

In regards to one of your questions, dak would have beaten BYU last year, USA last year, and maybe Kentucky (that wasn't on Fitz, tho). Nick would not have beaten LSU in BR in 14.

Dak was a very good passer that had above average legs. He could beat you with both. Fitz is an elite runner but below average passer. If you shut down the run, Fitz can't beat you through the air. Fortunately, we've only needed Nick to really throw it in 2 games this year, and will only need him to 1 other game (He wont).

I was waiting on someone to go here.

It's not Fitz fault we lost to BYU, Kentucky, or USA. You're really blame him after playing 2 series? This alone nullifies your entire stance. Fitz is the reason we even had a chance in BYU and Kentucky. Is it Fitz fault we had no kicking game? Is it Fitz fault we had no defense? Is it Fitz fault the leading WR in MSU history dropped potential game winning touchdowns in both Kentucky and BYU? This senior WR had his worse year during Fitz first and Fitz still he led the SEC.

Dak was in the heisman conversation after playing his junior season. Fitz was mentioned there after leading the SEC after his Soph year. Dak did not do that. Your stating emotions. I'll go a little further. Due to his elite running ability we were able to destroy LSU. We absolutely do not win that game on Dak's legs and the inexperienced WR corp.

Fitz is a baddddd man!

[Coach34]

I was waiting on someone to go here.

It's not Fitz fault we lost to BYU, Kentucky, or USA. You're really blame him after playing 2 series? !

Yes- Fitz is to blame for losing to South Alabama. It's his fault because he was unable to distance himself from Williams which allowed Mullen to make the switch after 2 straight 3 and outs vs USA.

BYU? Fitz was 17/36- 47%. 16 carries/41 yards. Awful numbers.

Kentucky? Yes because ultimately he didnt get it done. Thats why they brought up the UPig '15 example on Dak. He got it done. Fitz in Kentucky didnt. Defense even scored a TD for us against Kentucky that night in the 4th Q to keep us in it

[Apoplectic]

Yes- Fitz is to blame for losing to South Alabama. It's his fault because he was unable to distance himself from Williams which allowed Mullen to make the switch after 2 straight 3 and outs vs USA.

BYU? Fitz was 17/36- 47%. 16 carries/41 yards. Awful numbers.

Kentucky? Yes because ultimately he didnt get it done. Thats why they brought up the UPig '15 example on Dak. He got it done. Fitz in Kentucky didnt. Defense even scored a TD for us against Kentucky that night in the 4th Q to keep us in it

If fitz had dak's receivers it would be a no-doubter. Fitz has had to thread a lot of needles just to get the yards he has now. Btw - I like that we're forcing more of the young receivers on the field now and targeting them.

[bulldawg28]

Yes- Fitz is to blame for losing to South Alabama. It's his fault because he was unable to distance himself from Williams which allowed Mullen to make the switch after 2 straight 3 and outs vs USA.

BYU? Fitz was 17/36- 47%. 16 carries/41 yards. Awful numbers.

Kentucky? Yes because ultimately he didnt get it done. Thats why they brought up the UPig '15 example on Dak. He got it done. Fitz in Kentucky didnt. Defense even scored a TD for us against Kentucky that night in the 4th Q to keep us in it

Lol...you predicted 5-6 wins with this team this year. That was due to Fitz, WR's, and OL. I told you 8 minimum because of Fitz and you wouldn't believe. We're 6 -2 because of Fitz and the D.
Blame it on the QB when it's a QB battle? WOW... I think Mullen understood the fragile egos and wanted to have legit competition. So it's Mullen' s fault all the Qb' s transferred too huh?

BYU- perfect pass to win the game WR dropped. Fitz fault, right. Dak had plenty of games he couldn't get it done. Losing to Ole Miss twice and the orange bowl immediately come to mind.

Still wrong you are.

[BrunswickDawg]

Yes- Fitz is to blame for losing to South Alabama. It's his fault because he was unable to distance himself from Williams which allowed Mullen to make the switch after 2 straight 3 and outs vs USA.

BYU? Fitz was 17/36- 47%. 16 carries/41 yards. Awful numbers.

Kentucky? Yes because ultimately he didnt get it done. Thats why they brought up the UPig '15 example on Dak. He got it done. Fitz in Kentucky didnt. Defense even scored a TD for us against Kentucky that night in the 4th Q to keep us in it

Dan is to blame for USA - regardless of who had/hadn't won the job, Dan should have decided who the #1 guy was after Spring practice so they could lead the team in summer practices. By not doing that, Dan created a schism within the team led by Dam. Williams (and from what I have heard Fred R.) that about killed the season. I think some key guys didn't buy in until the KY loss, when they saw Fitz put everything on his shoulders and almost single handed won the game.

I think Dan learned a big, big lesson last year and we never see a QB decision take that long again.

[msstate7]

Yes- Fitz is to blame for losing to South Alabama. It's his fault because he was unable to distance himself from Williams which allowed Mullen to make the switch after 2 straight 3 and outs vs USA.

BYU? Fitz was 17/36- 47%. 16 carries/41 yards. Awful numbers.

Kentucky? Yes because ultimately he didnt get it done. Thats why they brought up the UPig '15 example on Dak. He got it done. Fitz in Kentucky didnt. Defense even scored a TD for us against Kentucky that night in the 4th Q to keep us in it

If you wanna compare them, use apples to apples. That was fitz soph year. Here?s some of dak soph year games...

LSU - 9/20 106 yds 1 int
South Carolina - 3 ints (justifiable here imo)
aTm - 14/26 149 yds 2 td 1 int

Oh and in the BYU game, fitz threw a dime that Peyton Manning would be proud of that Fred Ross dropped in the end zone in OT

[bulldawg28]

If you wanna compare them, use apples to apples. That was fitz soph year. Here?s some of dak soph year games...

LSU - 9/20 106 yds 1 int
South Carolina - 3 ints (justifiable here imo)
aTm - 14/26 149 yds 2 td 1 int

Oh and in the BYU game, fitz threw a dime that Peyton Manning would be proud of that Fred Ross dropped in the end zone in OT

Did Dak even win five games starting his sophomore year?

[Sacrifice]

This would be a good thread to revisit when Fitz finishes his senior year. He?s still wrighting his history

[BrunswickDawg]

Did Dak even win five games starting his sophomore year?

Dak was 4-3 in 2013 as a starter.

[Intramural All-American]

If you wanna compare them, use apples to apples. That was fitz soph year. Here?s some of dak soph year games...

LSU - 9/20 106 yds 1 int
South Carolina - 3 ints (justifiable here imo)
aTm - 14/26 149 yds 2 td 1 int

Oh and in the BYU game, fitz threw a dime that Peyton Manning would be proud of that Fred Ross dropped in the end zone in OT

Bulldawg28 is the one who asked for games Dak would have won that Fitz didn't. And the argument is that Fitz is better now than Dak was when he left. What Dak did his sophomore year is unmeaningful in this situation. Y'all still have not addressed the fact that Dak put up 1000 more total yards than Fitz will.

It's also funny that y'all act as if Dak was throwing to All-NFL players. None of Dak's WRs even got drafted, so a logical person would assume that Dak had a very large part in making them as good as they were.

[drunkernhelldawg]

Top 10 SEC Quarterbacks this decade (2011-present), made with a minimal amount of research so I won't stand by these if pressed:

1. Johnny Manziel
2. Dak Prescott
3. Aaron Murray
4. AJ McCarron
5. Nick Fitzgerald
6. Chad Kelly
7. Brandon Allen
8. James Franklin
9. Connor Shaw
10. Jalen Hurts

Good list. I'd put Dak at the top and Fitz a bit lower at this point. When he beats Alabama, he'll be challenging for the top spot.

[msstate7]

Bulldawg28 is the one who asked for games Dak would have won that Fitz didn't. And the argument is that Fitz is better now than Dak was when he left. What Dak did his sophomore year is unmeaningful in this situation. Y'all still have not addressed the fact that Dak put up 1000 more total yards than Fitz will.

It's also funny that y'all act as if Dak was throwing to All-NFL players. None of Dak's WRs even got drafted, so a logical person would assume that Dak had a very large part in making them as good as they were.

I am lost then. My bad...

Apparently you are lost too bc I have not said anything about dak?s wr advantage. Do you feel WRs have been equal for both?

[bulldawg28]

Bulldawg28 is the one who asked for games Dak would have won that Fitz didn't. And the argument is that Fitz is better now than Dak was when he left. What Dak did his sophomore year is unmeaningful in this situation. Y'all still have not addressed the fact that Dak put up 1000 more total yards than Fitz will.

It's also funny that y'all act as if Dak was throwing to All-NFL players. None of Dak's WRs even got drafted, so a logical person would assume that Dak had a very large part in making them as good as they were.

You still haven't provided a game. Dak had 2 WR's and a RB with an NFL opportunity with Fred Brown and Fred Ross. Brown is still in the league. He also had an NFL center. I'm sure I'm leaving out someone. That's 4 NFL caliber players not including Bear. Fitz is/ has done more with less talent.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

nope but he'll get another year to prove me wrong.

[Cooterpoot]

If fitz had dak's receivers it would be a no-doubter. Fitz has had to thread a lot of needles just to get the yards he has now. Btw - I like that we're forcing more of the young receivers on the field now and targeting them.

Fitz can't even hit wideass open WRs deep. He misses them every single game. While I agree, his receivers aren't as good. He's not close to the passer that Dak was.

[drunkernhelldawg]

Dak is number one. But I do think that this team may accomplish more than any of Dak's teams. Putting Dak at number two is like figuring out which coaches are better than Vince Lombardi. You gotta be kidding . . .

[Sacrifice]

I love Dak as much as anybody, he was a program changer for us but Dak finished his JR year completing 61.6% of his passes. Fitz is at 56.9% right now with 3 shitty defenses left on the schedule. Dak didn?t have his 1st 300 yard passing game till 8 games into his jr year, Fitz had 2 his sophomore year plus a 400 yarder. So the whole narrative Fitz can?t throw the football is BS to me. We?re choosing to run the football more this year because of our RBs and the talent level of our WRs is down.
For some reason it seems people have had a problem with Fitz from the beginning. 1st it was Stately was better than Fitz, then it was the team doesn?t like him Williams should be the starter, now it?s he can?t throw the football and he?s no Dak. I have never understood the problem people have with Fitz, the guy is an absolute stud.

[drunkernhelldawg]

I have never understood the problem people have with Fitz, the guy is an absolute stud.

He really is. Unbelievable runner and great team leader. I'm super excited about the character and talent on our football team.

[BrunswickDawg]

I love Dak as much as anybody, he was a program changer for us but Dak finished his JR year completing 61.6% of his passes. Fitz is at 56.9% right now with 3 shitty defenses left on the schedule. Dak didn?t have his 1st 300 yard passing game till 8 games into his jr year, Fitz had 2 his sophomore year plus a 400 yarder. So the whole narrative Fitz can?t throw the football is BS to me. We?re choosing to run the football more this year because of our RBs and the talent level of our WRs is down.
For some reason it seems people have had a problem with Fitz from the beginning. 1st it was Stately was better than Fitz, then it was the team doesn?t like him Williams should be the starter, now it?s he can?t throw the football and he?s no Dak. I have never understood the problem people have with Fitz, the guy is an absolute stud.

This ^. You also forgot "he parties too much" (which we loved John Bond for), and "Fitz can't lead and doesn't have the "it" factor." The guy is an old school, punch you in the mouth, leave it all on the field leader and may be the toughest SOB we have had wear the M&W in my lifetime. He is not a perfect passer - just the 2nd best in our history - so I guess that will have to do.

[bulldawg28]

I love Dak as much as anybody, he was a program changer for us but Dak finished his JR year completing 61.6% of his passes. Fitz is at 56.9% right now with 3 shitty defenses left on the schedule. Dak didn?t have his 1st 300 yard passing game till 8 games into his jr year, Fitz had 2 his sophomore year plus a 400 yarder. So the whole narrative Fitz can?t throw the football is BS to me. We?re choosing to run the football more this year because of our RBs and the talent level of our WRs is down.
For some reason it seems people have had a problem with Fitz from the beginning. 1st it was Stately was better than Fitz, then it was the team doesn?t like him Williams should be the starter, now it?s he can?t throw the football and he?s no Dak. I have never understood the problem people have with Fitz, the guy is an absolute stud.

He overcame all of that and rose to the top. He's a baddddd man!