MSU and Texas A&M: The Stats

[TrapGame]

(From ESPN)


Total Offense: MSU #54 A&M #75

Passing: MSU #108 A&M #98

Rushing: MSU #18 A&M #33

Total Defense: MSU #9 A&M #52

Passing: MSU #3 A&M #85

Rushing: MSU #31 A&M #36

Sacks: MSU #84 A&M #1


It's time for Dan to nut up and win one at Kyle Field. We cannot go in there and get punked like AU and UGA. You want to go to the next level? Then beat A&M in their house.

[ShotgunDawg]

If you want to feel better about MSU Football, lets go back to the Auburn game.

Against one of the best defensive fronts in college football, MSU ran for 194 yards. LSU beat Auburn by running for only 157 yards. The narrative is that Auburn shut down MSU's offense, but that is really not the case. MSU shut down MSU's offense in that game.

Also consider that MSU had 10 penalties in that game, half of which were false starts, that took the offense off schedule in down & distance & forced us into passing situations. It's my belief that, had MSU cut their penalties in half, MSU would have run for 250+ yards against Auburn. Think about that... Additionally, consider the dropped passes in that game that stopped drives & limited the total play count. I don't even know how many there were.

While Auburn is probably better than MSU & certainly had big plays against our defense, it's my belief that along with a terrible call on a scoop & score in that game that completely destroyed momentum, MSU beat MSU more than Auburn beat MSU. I think if Auburn & MSU played next week at Davis Wade Stadium, it would be a very tight game.

If MSU could run for almost 200 yards against Auburn & should've run for 250, then how many can we run for against A&M?

[somebodyshotmypaw]

it's my belief that along with a terrible call on a scoop & score in that game,

That play was huge. It killed our momentum. It's like the air being let out of the balloon. That call was crucial.

[TrapGame]

Don't get me started about the Auburn game. Those refs were shit. Mix that with false starts and we looked like crap. We were and are better than that. This coming Saturday is when Mullen needs to let it hang out and tell Sumlin and Chavis to suck it.

[Reason2succeed]

State is feast or famine. Our closest game is 25 points to BYU. We either blow out or get blown out. And I don't see aTm blowing us out. I think we see a balanced offense and a defense take advantage of a freshmen QB. We must kick away from CK and not let him beat us. Hev's OL must contain Turner's pass rushers. State wins big.

[ShotgunDawg]

State is feast or famine. Our closest game is 25 points to BYU. We either blow out or get blown out. And I don't see aTm blowing us out. I think we see a balanced offense and a defense take advantage of a freshmen QB. We must kick away from CK and not let him beat us. Hev's OL must contain Turner's pass rushers. State wins big.

It’s just too small a sample size to say we are feast or famine.

[MetEdDawg]

That play was huge. It killed our momentum. It's like the air being let out of the balloon. That call was crucial.

7-7 score in that ball game makes it totally different. We may not win, but we don't get dismantled. Certainly would have affected our current perception in the positive.

[dawgday166]

(From ESPN)


Total Offense: MSU #54 A&M #75

Passing: MSU #108 A&M #98

Rushing: MSU #18 A&M #33

Total Defense: MSU #9 A&M #52

Passing: MSU #3 A&M #85

Rushing: MSU #31 A&M #36

Sacks: MSU #84 A&M #1


It's time for Dan to nut up and win one at Kyle Field. We cannot go in there and get punked like AU and UGA. You want to go to the next level? Then beat A&M in their house.

Yes it is. I don't wanna hear about "it's hard to win on road in SEC". These stats show the difference in teams. TAM has played only 1 stellar opponent and that one at home. We've played 1 stellar team and 1 pretty darn good team on the road.

[msstate7]

Yes it is. I don't wanna hear about "it's hard to win on road in SEC". These stats show the difference in teams. TAM has played only 1 stellar opponent and that one at home. We've played 1 stellar team and 1 pretty darn good team on the road.

I think we should win. With that said, that pretty darn good team that whipped us lost on the road to a team we beat by 30 at home. Home field seems to be pretty dang important this year.

[TrapGame]

I think we should win. With that said, that pretty darn good team that whipped us lost on the road to a team we beat by 30 at home. Home field seems to be pretty dang important this year.

Gus took his foot off the gas and pulled a Mullen '14. Except Mullen took his foot off in the late fourth quarter giving LSU just enough time to attempt a comeback. Gus took his foot off in the third quarter. Completely dumb coaching move there. It gave LSU plenty of time to make a comeback. And they did.

And quite frankly, if Mullen has aspirations of coaching at one of the big P5 programs that comes open; these are the wins that make resumes look good.

[BertleTheTurtle]

This post is a little misleading. You'd think we had a field day on the ground versus Auburn with 194 yards, but it couldn't have been more of the opposite. Here are some quick stats from Auburn and UGA. Rushing Q1 - 25 yds vs Aub, 27 vs UGA, Q2 - 36 yds vs Aub, 42 yds vs UGA. At halftime, we had a grand total of 61 yds rushing against Aub and 69 vs UGA....these games were both over at this point. In the Q3, we had 49 yds against Aub and 9 against UGA. This helps tell the story with a little more clarity. We were absolutely trash on the ground in our 2 biggest games, until the 4th quarter when both Aub and UGA were running in 2's and 3's. Specifically, our first and second down rushing plays were naught. This forced us into a ton of 3rd and long situations and obvious passing downs which UGA and Aub thrived on. With our very mediocre WRs and the accuracy and decision making issues (at times) of our QB, we were basically sitting ducks. We had so many 3 and outs in this game because we simply couldn't establish the run early on. This kept our defense on the field and subject to the big plays.

The second part of your post is spot on and contributed to the lack of a running game in the first half. Penalties killed us early and often. It's hard to run the football when you are starting 1st and 15 or 1st and 20. Even harder when you're looking at 3rd and 13. Even if we didn't have the penalties, i'm not sure our rushing results would have been much better in the first half. The first half of both of these games decided the outcome of the game. That's why i'm convinced if we don't have 110 yds rushing at halftime against A&M, we will not win the game. I think 220 yds rushing is the number against A&M. We win the game if we are close to that or surpass it.

[Jack Lambert]

If you want to feel better about MSU Football, lets go back to the Auburn game.

Against one of the best defensive fronts in college football, MSU ran for 194 yards. LSU beat Auburn by running for only 157 yards. The narrative is that Auburn shut down MSU's offense, but that is really not the case. MSU shut down MSU's offense in that game.

Also consider that MSU had 10 penalties in that game, half of which were false starts, that took the offense off schedule in down & distance & forced us into passing situations. It's my belief that, had MSU cut their penalties in half, MSU would have run for 250+ yards against Auburn. Think about that... Additionally, consider the dropped passes in that game that stopped drives & limited the total play count. I don't even know how many there were.

While Auburn is probably better than MSU & certainly had big plays against our defense, it's my belief that along with a terrible call on a scoop & score in that game that completely destroyed momentum, MSU beat MSU more than Auburn beat MSU. I think if Auburn & MSU played next week at Davis Wade Stadium, it would be a very tight game.

If MSU could run for almost 200 yards against Auburn & should've run for 250, then how many can we run for against A&M?

Losing Rankin and throwing in a Freshman didn't help.

[msstate7]

This post is a little misleading. You'd think we had a field day on the ground versus Auburn with 194 yards, but it couldn't have been more of the opposite. Here are some quick stats from Auburn and UGA. Rushing Q1 - 25 yds vs Aub, 27 vs UGA, Q2 - 36 yds vs Aub, 42 yds vs UGA. At halftime, we had a grand total of 61 yds rushing against Aub and 69 vs UGA....these games were both over at this point. In the Q3, we had 49 yds against Aub and 9 against UGA. This helps tell the story with a little more clarity. We were absolutely trash on the ground in our 2 biggest games, until the 4th quarter when both Aub and UGA were running in 2's and 3's. Specifically, our first and second down rushing plays were naught. This forced us into a ton of 3rd and long situations and obvious passing downs which UGA and Aub thrived on. With our very mediocre WRs and the accuracy and decision making issues (at times) of our QB, we were basically sitting ducks. We had so many 3 and outs in this game because we simply couldn't establish the run early on. This kept our defense on the field and subject to the big plays.

The second part of your post is spot on and contributed to the lack of a running game in the first half. Penalties killed us early and often. It's hard to run the football when you are starting 1st and 15 or 1st and 20. Even harder when you're looking at 3rd and 13. Even if we didn't have the penalties, i'm not sure our rushing results would have been much better in the first half. The first half of both of these games decided the outcome of the game. That's why i'm convinced if we don't have 110 yds rushing at halftime against A&M, we will not win the game. I think 220 yds rushing is the number against A&M. We win the game if we are close to that or surpass it.

We were down 21-10 at halftime vs auburn and it should have been 21-14 if not for a terrible call. Pretty big stretch to say the game was over at halftime

[dawgday166]

Gus took his foot off the gas and pulled a Mullen '14. Except Mullen took his foot off in the late fourth quarter giving LSU just enough time to attempt a comeback. Gus took his foot off in the third quarter. Completely dumb coaching move there. It gave LSU plenty of time to make a comeback. And they did.

And quite frankly, if Mullen has aspirations of coaching at one of the big P5 programs that comes open; these are the wins that make resumes look good.

He's just making excuses in advance in case Mullen f**** this up.

Don't say nothing bad about Dan to State7 now. You can crucify Smart, Franklin, McE, Saban (or anyone from his coaching tree), etc. all you want, but not Dan or Harbaugh.

[BertleTheTurtle]

Okay that's fair. Not sure that changes the general message of my post but fair. We couldn't run against UGA or Aub, and 194 total yards is a very misleading stat because >40% of those yards came in the 4th quarter.

[msstate7]

He's just making excuses in advance in case Mullen f**** this up.

Don't say nothing bad about Dan to State7 now. You can crucify Smart, Franklin, McE, Saban (or anyone from his coaching tree), etc. all you want, but not Dan or Harbaugh.
Or urban.

Release that death grip on your jewels... your sperm count will never allow a lil dawgday if you keep thinking of Mullen

[msstate7]

Okay that's fair. Not sure that changes the general message of my post but fair. We couldn't run against UGA or Aub, and 194 total yards is a very misleading stat because >40% of those yards came in the 4th quarter.

I do not from memory remember us running well vs auburn or Georgia; but I do think raw rushing totals are a bad measure without attempts too.

[dawgday166]

Or urban.

Release that death grip on your jewels... your sperm count will never allow a lil dawgday if you keep thinking of Mullen

LOL ... C'mon mane. You can do better than that can't you?

I expect Dan to f*** it up. If he don't I'm happy. If he do, I'm used to it.

[Perpetual Underachiever]

Interesting stats (stolen from the rant). Was not surprised at Fitz completion %, but was surprised at the number of attempts. Much higher than I would have guessed. Mond's number are much worse than expected as well. Jake Fromm is good at the football.

Attempts over 15+ yards
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[sleepy dawg]

If you want to feel better about MSU Football, lets go back to the Auburn game.

Against one of the best defensive fronts in college football, MSU ran for 194 yards. LSU beat Auburn by running for only 157 yards. The narrative is that Auburn shut down MSU's offense, but that is really not the case. MSU shut down MSU's offense in that game.

Also consider that MSU had 10 penalties in that game, half of which were false starts, that took the offense off schedule in down & distance & forced us into passing situations. It's my belief that, had MSU cut their penalties in half, MSU would have run for 250+ yards against Auburn. Think about that... Additionally, consider the dropped passes in that game that stopped drives & limited the total play count. I don't even know how many there were.

While Auburn is probably better than MSU & certainly had big plays against our defense, it's my belief that along with a terrible call on a scoop & score in that game that completely destroyed momentum, MSU beat MSU more than Auburn beat MSU. I think if Auburn & MSU played next week at Davis Wade Stadium, it would be a very tight game.

If MSU could run for almost 200 yards against Auburn & should've run for 250, then how many can we run for against A&M?

I will add though it also seemed like Dan gave up early. We were running in the 4th when most teams would've been passing.

[msstate7]

LOL ... C'mon mane. You can do better than that can't you?

I hope Dan f***s it up. If he does I'm happy.


Fify

You are obviously a troll. No state fan over the age of 12 can have so much hate for a coach that has done wonders for our program. Troll on...

[dawgday166]

Fify

You are obviously a troll. No state fan over the age of 12 can have so much hate for a coach that has done wonders for our program. Troll on...

Don't hate Dan. Actually like the guy. But I do understand his limitations. Keep hoping for him to turn the corner. Will be surprised (and very happy) if he does turn the corner.

[BertleTheTurtle]

Yeah I think one of the biggest things I want to see, that stats can't show, is how we compete against A&M. As a fan, it was hard to sit there and accept that our team wasn't even competing in prime time. I'm completely fine accepting that other teams are more talented and just better than we are, but I want to see us make them earn it. For the most part, in our other 2 SEC road games, it wasn't even entertaining to watch after half time. If we don't do anything else against A&M, I want to see us compete. If we are going to lose, make it a 4 quarter game. Make them be better than you until the clock hits zero. I know we can compete with A&M on the road, and I know we have the talent to beat them. But to be fair, we had the talent to compete against UGA and Aub.

[ShotgunDawg]

Yeah I think one of the biggest things I want to see, that stats can't show, is how we compete against A&M. As a fan, it was hard to sit there and accept that our team wasn't even competing in prime time. I'm completely fine accepting that other teams are more talented and just better than we are, but I want to see us make them earn it. For the most part, in our other 2 SEC road games, it wasn't even entertaining to watch after half time. If we don't do anything else against A&M, I want to see us compete. If we are going to lose, make it a 4 quarter game. Make them be better than you until the clock hits zero. I know we can compete with A&M on the road, and I know we have the talent to beat them. But to be fair, we had the talent to compete against UGA and Aub.

Great points

I think the team grew up a little in those UGA & Auburn games & has the right attitude now getting ready for A&M.

I think the LSU game may have got this team out of sorts a little as far as their mentality & made them feel invincible, which in turn, caused a lack of attention to detail & over aggressiveness.

I like how the last two weeks have prepared this team. We have executed extremely well the last two week in extremely non-emotional games.

I'd be shocked & extremely disappointed in the staff & players if we don't play well Saturday night.

I just think with the way the UGA & Auburn games went & the way we have rebounded the past two weeks, this team has a much greater understanding of who it is, what it's identity is, what it's limitations are, & what it has to do to win football games. That's huge in maturity

[TrapGame]

Great points

I think the team grew up a little in those UGA & Auburn games & has the right attitude now getting ready for A&M.

I think the LSU game may have got this team out of sorts a little as far as their mentality & made them feel invincible, which in turn, caused a lack of attention to detail & over aggressiveness.

I like how the last two weeks have prepared this team. We have executed extremely well the last two week in extremely non-emotional games.

I'd be shocked & extremely disappointed in the staff & players if we don't play well Saturday night.

I just think with the way the UGA & Auburn games went & the way we have rebounded the past two weeks, this team has a much greater understanding of who it is, what it's identity is, what it's limitations are, & what it has to do to win football games. That's huge in maturity

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Remember I posted the team had a players only meeting after Auburn? This is why we are seeing players working their asses off now. They get it. They understand that beating LSU didn't make them LSU. It's about the grind and doing your job.

[Jack Lambert]

Since 2009 when Houston was good and whipped us I have always been worried about Sumerlin offense. He needs a really good QB for it to work. I don't know if he has one right now.

[ShotgunDawg]

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Remember I posted the team had a players only meeting after Auburn? This is why we are seeing players working their asses off now. They get it. They understand that beating LSU didn't make them LSU. It's about the grind and doing your job.

Agree.

As good as the LSU game was, it led to a team that simply didn't know where it was vulnerable & what it's limitations were. Problem is, that UGA & Auburn's coaching staff did know what MSU's limitations were.

Those games exposed us & I believe has led to us zeroing in on how WE have to win football games. This team is limited, but, if it plays to it's strengths, can play with most anyone.

[Commercecomet24]

This year isn't the standard Sumlin offense. They have to run with Mond to win, because he doesn't have a strong arm at all. The kid is a good runner but limited in the passing game. The games I've watched it looks as if they limit his reads in the passing game. Its like if 1-2 aint open take off. They run a lot of read option. Stop the run(which we are very good at) and force Mond to beat us through the air and contain Kirk(and please don't kick to him) and we should be fine.

[ShotgunDawg]

This year isn't the standard Sumlin offense. They have to run with Mond to win, because he doesn't have a strong arm at all. The kid is a good runner but limited in the passing game. The games I've watched it looks as if they limit his reads in the passing game. Its like if 1-2 aint open take off. They run a lot of read option. Stop the run(which we are very good at) and force Mond to beat us through the air and contain Kirk(and please don't kick to him) and we should be fine.

Much of what you say here is correct, but I think Mond does have a very strong arm. It's more that he has worse accuracy that Fitz. Kid can chuck it, but may not hit the broad side of a barn

[Commercecomet24]

Much of what you say here is correct, but I think Mond does have a very strong arm. It's more that he has worse accuracy that Fitz. Kid can chuck it, but may not hit the broad side of a barn

I don't know i've seen him bounce a lot of out routes. Which could stem from foot work issues but he has to use the middle of the field which generally indicates a qb with a weaker arm.

[TrapGame]

Since 2009 when Houston was good and whipped us I have always been worried about Sumerlin offense. He needs a really good QB for it to work. I don't know if he has one right now.

But we beat their ass in 2010. Special teams and Chris White dominated that game. Houston didn't have their starting QB - Case Keenum??? - and we made them pay. And we coulda beat them in 2009 if Mullen got the refs to review that play they said Lee was over the LOS when he made a td pass.

Sumlin has been mediocre at A&M. Without JFF falling into his lap his A&M teams would have been on the pedestrian side for sure.

[tcdog70]

We were down 21-10 at halftime vs auburn and it should have been 21-14 if not for a terrible call. Pretty big stretch to say the game was over at halftime

there should have been a safety called on holding in the end zone. If that happens then they kick to us and don't score a TD--plus we might have took the kick off and marched down the field. 21-16 worst case -14-23 best case. all because of the reffs screwing up. Don't ever fool yourself into believing Reffs don't have huge impact on who wins or loses.

[WinningIsRelentless]

I'm calling it now we go for over 250 on the ground Saturday and it might be closer to 300.

[BrunswickDawg]

I'm calling it now we go for over 250 on the ground Saturday and it might be closer to 300.
We showed last year that they have a hard time against our rushing attack. Our two headed monster of Fitz and Williams put up over 320 on them. We have a 4 headed monster this year adding Hill and Gibson. We hang 350 on them in a route.

[TrapGame]

We showed last year that they have a hard time against our rushing attack. Our two headed monster of Fitz and Williams put up over 320 on them. We have a 4 headed monster this year adding Hill and Gibson. We hang 350 on them in a route.

I love ya Bruns, but:

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[BrunswickDawg]

I love ya Bruns, but:

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In case you didn?t know, my glasses look kind of like this

https://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=179668791

[Commercecomet24]

In case you didn?t know, my glasses look kind of like this

https://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=179668791

I love it, go all in or go home!

[tireddawg]

I don't know i've seen him bounce a lot of out routes. Which could stem from foot work issues but he has to use the middle of the field which generally indicates a qb with a weaker arm.

Mond has a pretty good arm. I think the issues are timing & uncertainty. If your timing is off by a millisecond in the SEC on out-routes & your unsure, it's potentially a pick 6. The middle of the field is just easier for a young, inexperienced QB to navigate.

[Commercecomet24]

Mond has a pretty good arm. I think the issues are timing & uncertainty. If your timing is off by a millisecond in the SEC on out-routes & your unsure, it's potentially a pick 6. The middle of the field is just easier for a young, inexperienced QB to navigate.

I'm sure thats part of it but ive watched every one of their games and never said "wow" that guy has a cannon. Just my opionion.

[TrapGame]

I'm really surprised an Aggie fan hasn't popped in on this thread yet. We used to have two or three that would chime in the week of the A&M game.

Interesting.

[Commercecomet24]

I'm really surprised an Aggie fan hasn't popped in on this thread yet. We used to have two or three that would chime in the week of the A&M game.

Interesting.

Maybe we broke them last year. We knocked them out of the playoff hunt last year.

[TrapGame]

From SDS: Sumlin talked about our running game in his presser. He said he was very impressed with the way we've been running the ball.

The Aggie fans commenting on the SDS thread feel like it will be another blow out win over us. They are not impressed with anything we've done so far this season.

[Commercecomet24]

From SDS: Sumlin talked about our running game in his presser. He said he was very impressed with the way we've been running the ball.

The Aggie fans commenting on the SDS thread feel like it will be another blow out win over us. They are not impressed with anything we've done so far this season.

Feelings mutual, I'm not impressed with anything they've done. The best thing they've done all year was play bama close. Moral victories don't count.

[tireddawg]

I'm sure thats part of it but ive watched every one of their games and never said "wow" that guy has a cannon. Just my opionion.

I get that. Nick threw one the other day, & I said WOW what a cannon. Mond doesn't have that but it's pretty good. Like I said, I think Monds biggest issue is uncertainty & inexperience. If we get pressure, & I think we will, he'll make mistakes.

[dawgday166]

Feelings mutual, I'm not impressed with anything they've done. The best thing they've done all year was play bama close. Moral victories don't count.

We shore have a lot of them for them not to count. We were #1 for 5 weeks a few years back *****

[Commercecomet24]

I get that. Nick threw one the other day, & I said WOW what a cannon. Mond doesn't have that but it's pretty good. Like I said, I think Monds biggest issue is uncertainty & inexperience. If we get pressure, & I think we will, he'll make mistakes.

Agree. The real point I was trying to make was if we make him have to throw to beat us we will win. I don?t believe he can beat us with his arm. Maybe he won?t make a liar out of me lol

[Commercecomet24]

We shore have a lot of them for them not to count. We were #1 for 5 weeks a few years back *****

Excellent! Lol

[Percho]

I want our ends keeping the qb in the middle of the field

[Commercecomet24]

I want our ends keeping the qb in the middle of the field

Yeah they cannot run past him they have to stay even and keep contain. He?s a good runner.