Charles Moore just committed to MSU

[Todd4State]

Five star DL from Louisville. He's out for the year with an ACL, but I'm not too worried about that considering the position he plays. Top player in the state for 2019 as well.

[ShotgunDawg]

Kaboom!!!!!

Between him and Jones, we are starting off huge for 2019.

Gonna be a top 15 to top 10 class

[Bully13]

Oh yea.

[Commercecomet24]

That's awesome! Great get! Amazing how much better our recruiting is going without the bears out there here trying to buy everyone.

[ShotgunDawg]

Like I said in my thread a few days ago, the only thing standing between MSU & a potential playoff caliber program in the next 5 years is coaching instability.

Lock this staff up & lets take advantage of the greatest opportunity of our life times, which in turn has a chance to propel this program to sustainable high level winning, even after OM starts cheating again

[Commercecomet24]

Like I said in my thread a few days ago, the only thing standing between MSU & a potential playoff caliber program in the next 5 years is coaching instability.

Lock this staff up & lets take advantage of the greatest opportunity of our life times, which in turn has a chance to propel this program to sustainable high level winning, even after OM starts cheating again

Absolutely agree on this!

[ShotgunDawg]

Fletcher Cox
Chris Jones
Jeff Simmons
Charles Moore

We just committed our next 1st rounder on the D-Block

Have fun Grantham

[fader2103]

CLANGA!

[biggun]

Like I said in my thread a few days ago, the only thing standing between MSU & a potential playoff caliber program in the next 5 years is coaching instability.

Lock this staff up & lets take advantage of the greatest opportunity of our life times, which in turn has a chance to propel this program to sustainable high level winning, even after OM starts cheating again

Playoff Caliber??? Let's pump the brakes a little. We were 5-7 last year before catching a break just to go bowling. OL and WR recruiting remain problem spots as is out of state recruiting of blue chip talent. That said, a big year on the field combined with the Rebels demise could open a lot of new doors while providing us momentum this program has not enjoyed since Sherrill's first season. 9 win reg season should do the trick

[BeastMan]

Dynamite boom

[Todd4State]

Playoff Caliber??? Let's pump the brakes a little. We were 5-7 last year before catching a break just to go bowling. OL and WR recruiting remain problem spots as is out of state recruiting of blue chip talent. That said, a big year on the field combined with the Rebels demise could open a lot of doors while providing us momentum this program has not had since Sherrill's first season. 9 win reg season would do the trick

Malik Heath is a four star WR recruit and John Patterson from Pearl is extremely underrated because many think he will have to go the JUCO route first. Our issue at WR is being rectified but it won't be obvious until next year.

OL- I agree. That's the only spot left to improve.

[biggun]

Malik Heath is a four star WR recruit and John Patterson from Pearl is extremely underrated because many think he will have to go the JUCO route first. Our issue at WR is being rectified but it won't be obvious until next year.

OL- I agree. That's the only spot left to improve.

We need to be signing 3-4 M Heath's every year due to busts and attrition.

[ShotgunDawg]

Playoff Caliber??? Let's pump the brakes a little. We were 5-7 last year before catching a break just to go bowling. OL and WR recruiting remain problem spots as is out of state recruiting of blue chip talent. That said, a big year on the field combined with the Rebels demise could open a lot of new doors while providing us momentum this program has not enjoyed since Sherrill's first season. 9 win reg season should do the trick

I think you are over thinking this.

You arguing semantics. Put it this way, with a stable coaching staff, we have chance to build MSU into the best it's ever been over the next 5 years.

[ShotgunDawg]

We need to be signing 3-4 M Heath's every year due to busts and attrition.

Who does that?

We'd be the Cowboys if we did that

[Todd4State]

We need to be signing 3-4 M Heath's every year due to busts and attrition.

We need to be balancing out our WR's better between slot WR's and outside WR's with length is actually the problem. Or was the problem. We signed too many guys that project as slot WR's and not enough guys that could either do both like Fred Ross or were true outside WR's. And even Ross probably fit better in the slot.

[PMDawg]

Playoff Caliber??? Let's pump the brakes a little. We were 5-7 last year before catching a break just to go bowling. OL and WR recruiting remain problem spots as is out of state recruiting of blue chip talent. That said, a big year on the field combined with the Rebels demise could open a lot of new doors while providing us momentum this program has not enjoyed since Sherrill's first season. 9 win reg season should do the trick

Horrible.

Did you forget the 2 years before last season already? Or are you a Bear? We have the QBs lined up. WR is getting fixed already. We need OL, I will give you that.

[Dolphus Raymond]

QUOTE=biggun;789878]Playoff Caliber??? Let's pump the brakes a little. We were 5-7 last year before catching a break just to go bowling. OL and WR recruiting remain problem spots as is out of state recruiting of blue chip talent. That said, a big year on the field combined with the Rebels demise could open a lot of new doors while providing us momentum this program has not enjoyed since Sherrill's first season. 9 win reg season should do the trick[/QUOTE]
Just another reminder how bad it sucks to be an Ole Miss these days.

[TrapGame]

The LSU of Mississippi. I'm telling y'all. It's coming.

[JoseBrown]

The LSU of Mississippi. I'm telling y'all. It's coming.

You mean we're finally gonna be their 'real rivals'?***

[Commercecomet24]

I think we are evolving into a Patriots type model with smaller more agile WRs and big athletic TEs. Just my opinion but we have been stockpiling big athletic TEs and smaller WRs. I like it because no one else in the conference is really doing and big TEs can be a matchup nightmare, plus it helps the run game.

[ShotgunDawg]

In all seriousness, with staff continuity over the next 5 years, I think it's possible for us to build a roster that's equivalent to about Auburn's roster as far as talent.

Difference is that Mullen is a better coach than Malzahn.

So, I'm not sure if Auburn's roster + Mullen makes us a playoff caliber program, but it gets us in the realm of potential candidates

[ShotgunDawg]

I think we are evolving into a Patriots type model with smaller more agile WRs and big athletic TEs. Just my opinion but we have been stockpiling big athletic TEs and smaller WRs. I like it because no one else in the conference is really doing and big TEs can be a matchup nightmare, plus it helps the run game.

I don't disagree, but the problem with that philosophy at the college level are that it requires two things that are almost impossible to come by at the college level:

1. A QB with elite accuracy. The small WRs have less wing span & are smaller targets. You QB has to have NFL caliber accuracy

2. Practice time. So much of what the Pats do is based on WRs reading defenses & the QB being on the same page. I'm sure we do some of this type stuff, but probably not to the complexity that they do.

[Commercecomet24]

I don't disagree, but the problem with that philosophy at the college level are that it requires two things that are almost impossible to come by at the college level:

1. A QB with elite accuracy. The small WRs have less wing span & are smaller targets. You QB has to have NFL caliber accuracy

2. Practice time. So much of what the Pats do is based on WRs reading defenses & the QB being on the same page. I'm sure we do some of this type stuff, but probably not to the complexity that they do.

To a degree, yes however, the pats run a ton of seam routes to their TEs to stretch the field and open up
Underneath routes. One of the easiest throws to make for a qb is the seam. I'm not saying we can run the pats offense at all but a scaled down version could be extremely effective. And don't think Dan hasn't picked up
Some pointers from his relationship with Belichik.

[Coursesuper]

We had a chance to get ahead of them when Brewer got popped and we screwed it up due to our own stupidity, it's imperative that we do all we can to bury these pricks this time. We are gonna going to have a four to five year window depending on the outcome of things that are not yet public. We have a real chance to get all the top kids from the state and maybe a better chance of fighting of our sec brethren that will surly try to cherry pick players from our state. It's time, we need to get it done, no infighting or other bullshat like before we have to get together and get on with it. If we can there is a chance for something very special in our near future.

[Homedawg]

Kaboom!!!!!

Between him and Jones, we are starting off huge for 2019.

Gonna be a top 15 to top 10 class

It's almost impossible for us to have a top ten class. And hays not a bitch it's a fact. Heck I'm tickled w this class but it's more than likely not going to be top 20. Closer to 30 before it's over. And still in the bottom half of the league 8-10 range. But it's a really good class that I like, again.

[Commercecomet24]

I don't disagree, but the problem with that philosophy at the college level are that it requires two things that are almost impossible to come by at the college level:

1. A QB with elite accuracy. The small WRs have less wing span & are smaller targets. You QB has to have NFL caliber accuracy

2. Practice time. So much of what the Pats do is based on WRs reading defenses & the QB being on the same page. I'm sure we do some of this type stuff, but probably not to the complexity that they do.

I'm not suggesting we go all in with that I'm just saying mixing this with what we already do can be extremely
effective. And this is just my opinion. Dan doesn't call me for advice lol

[WSOPdawg]

I think you are over thinking this.

You arguing semantics. Put it this way, with a stable coaching staff, we have chance to build MSU into the best it's ever been over the next 5 years.

Going forward, there is absolutely zero reason we can't be the Kansas State or Virginia Tech of the SEC, which is a team that is ALWAYS competitive, every other year competes for a spot in the top-10 or to-15.

[preachermatt83]

It's almost impossible for us to have a top ten class. And hays not a bitch it's a fact. Heck I'm tickled w this class but it's more than likely not going to be top 20. Closer to 30 before it's over. And still in the bottom half of the league 8-10 range. But it's a really good class that I like, again.

He's referring to the 2019 class not 2018. Have you seen the talent in ms for 2019? Our class will be much closer to 10 than 30. I'm guessing somewhere between 8-12

[tireddawg]

It's almost impossible for us to have a top ten class. And hays not a bitch it's a fact. Heck I'm tickled w this class but it's more than likely not going to be top 20. Closer to 30 before it's over. And still in the bottom half of the league 8-10 range. But it's a really good class that I like, again.

Dude we will have a top 20 -25 class this year and the talent for 2019 is loaded for MS. No way it's only top 30.

[Dawgcentral]

It all comes down to getting to Atlanta. We were able to do it almost 20 years ago due to the top defense in the nation and an excellent smash mouth running game.
Overcoming Bama is the challenge for everyone in the west.

[Todd4State]

I think we are evolving into a Patriots type model with smaller more agile WRs and big athletic TEs. Just my opinion but we have been stockpiling big athletic TEs and smaller WRs. I like it because no one else in the conference is really doing and big TEs can be a matchup nightmare, plus it helps the run game.

I don't think that's what Dan is going for going forward. Couch, Todd, Heath, Osirius Mitchell, Austin Williams are all listed as 6'3" or taller. And we will be even longer if we get Whop and Stephen Guidry.

[Todd4State]

It all comes down to getting to Atlanta. We were able to do it almost 20 years ago due to the top defense in the nation and an excellent smash mouth running game.
Overcoming Bama is the challenge for everyone in the west.

I think the way to beat Alabama or at least have the best chance to beat Alabama is to throw the ball deep and hit on some of those bombs for touchdowns. Taller WR's give us a better chance to be successful at doing that.

[Dawgcentral]

I think the way to beat Alabama or at least have the best chance to beat Alabama is to throw the ball deep and hit on some of those bombs for touchdowns. Taller WR's give us a better chance to be successful at doing that.
I'll totally agree. This isn't the late 90's where JWS just wanted some receivers to be able to "go up and get the ball".
But if you can get that defense going and have the type of QB that Dan likes to develop, along with some receivers that do more than try and get up for that jump ball,..you're on the right path.
I accepted that we'll never have those road grating offensive linemen that Jackie had. He'd lay those 300 pounders on them for 3 quarters and watch the opposition wilt.

[MarketingBully]

And right on queue come the "pump the brakes" negative asshole guys. If some people want to pump some sunshine and get excited we landed a five star DL guy for 2019, let them. Be happy that we got a big time recruit. Sheesh.

[Commercecomet24]

I don't think that's what Dan is going for going forward. Couch, Todd, Heath, Osirius Mitchell, Austin Williams are all listed as 6'3" or taller. And we will be even longer if we get Whop and Stephen Guidry.

You can incorporate that as well but there's some reason we are signing so many TEs. We have 5 or 6 on the roster now and several more committed. We ran a lot of 2 TE sets last year. I'm not saying that our whole offense will go that route but I see us adding these concepts more and more especially with the practice reports saying Jordan Thomas is being moved all over the field.

[ShotgunDawg]

Going forward, there is absolutely zero reason we can't be the Kansas State or Virginia Tech of the SEC, which is a team that is ALWAYS competitive, every other year competes for a spot in the top-10 or to-15.

We kind of already do that. I bet we've ranked in the top 15 at least 3 times in Mullen's tenure which is about every other year.

[ShotgunDawg]

I think the way to beat Alabama or at least have the best chance to beat Alabama is to throw the ball deep and hit on some of those bombs for touchdowns. Taller WR's give us a better chance to be successful at doing that.

Not sure Mullen's strategy of developing "check down QBs" is conducive to this.

That strategy is great for pro development but does allow for the risk/reward plays that help you have upsets.

Read this article and look at Mullen's quote about 3/4 the way down on QBs making the average play.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20369397/mississippi-state-nick-fitzgerald-next-qb-guru-dan-mullen

[Jack Lambert]

That's awesome! Great get! Amazing how much better our recruiting is going without the bears out there here trying to buy everyone.

I think they paid recruits not to visit or commit to us.

[mparkerfd20]

It's almost impossible for us to have a top ten class. And hays not a bitch it's a fact. Heck I'm tickled w this class but it's more than likely not going to be top 20. Closer to 30 before it's over. And still in the bottom half of the league 8-10 range. But it's a really good class that I like, again.
For 2018 class you're right... For 2019, like the poster said, I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

[ShotgunDawg]

I think they paid recruits not to visit or commit to us.

They did.

Will be interesting to see if they continue that just in spite, when they have no chance of getting a player

[Commercecomet24]

I think they paid recruits not to visit or commit to us.

Absolutely correct!

[RougeDawg]

Playoff Caliber??? Let's pump the brakes a little. We were 5-7 last year before catching a break just to go bowling. OL and WR recruiting remain problem spots as is out of state recruiting of blue chip talent. That said, a big year on the field combined with the Rebels demise could open a lot of new doors while providing us momentum this program has not enjoyed since Sherrill's first season. 9 win reg season should do the trick

If dan plays Fitz all game against USA and Aeris from game 1 we win at least two more games last year, possibly 3 more. So in actuality we had a 7-8 win team last year with shit coaching decisions.

[Commercecomet24]

If dan plays Fitz all game against USA and Aeris from game 1 we win at least two more games last year, possibly 3 more. So in actuality we had a 7-8 win team last year with shit coaching decisions.

Rouge is right!

[DogsofAnarchy]

Playoff Caliber??? Let's pump the brakes a little. We were 5-7 last year before catching a break just to go bowling. OL and WR recruiting remain problem spots as is out of state recruiting of blue chip talent. That said, a big year on the field combined with the Rebels demise could open a lot of new doors while providing us momentum this program has not enjoyed since Sherrill's first season. 9 win reg season should do the trick

You might be surprised by how well our WR's are going to play this year.

[CadaverDawg]

Horrible.

Did you forget the 2 years before last season already? Or are you a Bear? We have the QBs lined up. WR is getting fixed already. We need OL, I will give you that.

Yep. May need the Enforcer to just do a status check on this one

[RougeDawg]

I think the way to beat Alabama or at least have the best chance to beat Alabama is to throw the ball deep and hit on some of those bombs for touchdowns. Taller WR's give us a better chance to be successful at doing that.

Pulling in better OL will help our downfield passing more than anything. OL giving us time for those plays to develop is really all we've been lacking. We all see what Dak can do with a competent OL. That's what is ultimately holding us back from taking that next step.

Guess I answeeed my question from another thread. In order for dan to take the next step, we have to get better on the OL. And sadly to get better on the OL we probably have to send Hev packing.

[Homedawg]

He's referring to the 2019 class not 2018. Have you seen the talent in ms for 2019? Our class will be much closer to 10 than 30. I'm guessing somewhere between 8-12

I understand that. My point is we still won't be in the top 10. It's too difficult. Not enough star power in state. And yes I think it too will be a great class. Should be top 20 assuming we sing the full 25 as we should. But that doesn't change my point about this year. People are saying we are having a much better year, Mullen is focused more or whatever. I think he's always been focused, yet this is class that will finish about 25-30. Just what it is. And again, I really like our class.

[Homedawg]

Dude we will have a top 20 -25 class this year and the talent for 2019 is loaded for MS. No way it's only top 30.
Please show me where I said the 19 class is only top 30.i said the word THIS class, this meaning this year, 2018. As far as 19 and forever, I said and mean it's hard to be top ten. And it won't. Bookmark this if you like.

[sandwolf]

I understand that. My point is we still won't be in the top 10. It's too difficult. Not enough star power in state. And yes I think it too will be a great class. Should be top 20 assuming we sing the full 25 as we should. But that doesn't change my point about this year. People are saying we are having a much better year, Mullen is focused more or whatever. I think he's always been focused, yet this is class that will finish about 25-30. Just what it is. And again, I really like our class.

Next year's class actually does have the star power in MS.....but we would literally have to sign every 4/5* player to finish in the top 10, and that won't happen. A top 15 class should be doable though....especially if Jalon Jones gets bumped to a 4*.

[Todd4State]

Not sure Mullen's strategy of developing "check down QBs" is conducive to this.

That strategy is great for pro development but does allow for the risk/reward plays that help you have upsets.

Read this article and look at Mullen's quote about 3/4 the way down on QBs making the average play.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20369397/mississippi-state-nick-fitzgerald-next-qb-guru-dan-mullen

I think we throw it deep enough to be effective enough to beat Bama if we can complete the passes. Having a better o-line and taller outside WR's would help with as well.

[Todd4State]

Pulling in better OL will help our downfield passing more than anything. OL giving us time for those plays to develop is really all we've been lacking. We all see what Dak can do with a competent OL. That's what is ultimately holding us back from taking that next step.

Guess I answeeed my question from another thread. In order for dan to take the next step, we have to get better on the OL. And sadly to get better on the OL we probably have to send Hev packing.

I agree. When Jake Wimberly had his video review thing last week the thing I noticed wasn't so much that it was a bad play call or anything like that- but it was our o-lineman got completely blown up on the play and that wrecked it before Robinson could do anything.