Who would you hire to be our next OC?

[601Dawg]

Les has been here for 5 years and nothing has changed. I have a feeling that anything less than a bowl game and Egg Bowl victory and Les(s) O'Koening will be fired.

Just curious who are some candidates you guys think would be a good fit as our OC?

I have heard some say Troy's OC Ken Hatenfield (he was HC at Southwest MS for a couple years)

Any other names from small schools, or position coaches at other schools who would be good fits as our OC?

[HIGHDOG]

it doesn't matter...it's dan's offense...hell, bring woody back - it wouldn't matter...jmho...tom

[601Dawg]

So you don't think Dan would fire Les(s) O'Koening if we don't show any improvement on offense?

Also it wouldnt hurt to go out and hire a young up and comer who wants to be an OC in the SEC and who can recruit.

[Dawg61]

I'll take the waterboy at Oregon if he can make our offense look half as good as theirs. They do some crazy shit on defense too. Vs Tennessee they had 4 DL in a "frog" position responsible for 8 gaps and they alternated the other 7 lb/db in coverage or blitzes. It was very effective. The Oregon offense is light years ahead of Mullen's. I say steal/take their OC and pay him close to $1 mill a year. I wish Dan demanded the same from his OC and himself as he does from his DC. MSU needs to be proactive here not reactive.

[starkvegasdawg]

5 million a year to chip Kelly with the title of OC/HC in waiting.

[Dawgfan77]

Dan's ego is to big the Only option I see is he promote billy Gonzales to OC if he gets rid of Less . Then hire a QB coach

[bocfarm]

I don't have time but there's about 30+ that would be light yrs better than Koenning. But its been said over and over that it doesn't matter bc its Dan's offense and Les just helps with QB's....for some reason I don't buy that.

[engie]

Kenny Edenfield
Steve Campbell

I'm under the impression at this point that neither would come here to be an "empty position" under Mullen without assurances of a large amount of control of the offense... Those are "Hud's guys"...

The biggest advantage of Edenfield would have been his ability to have success in a true spread with Tyler Russell. He's a pass-first spread specialist with a non-mobile QB. Has not started a "run threat" at QB in any of his 6 years at Troy... THAT is why I was shouting for him from the rooftops last year... He could have made Tyler Russell light the world on fire without changing the offense much at all -- just the playcalling and play design...

This is Edenfield's QBs in his time there.
Levi Brown - 201 for 326, 2030 yards, 15td, 3int, 33rush for 17 yards
Levi Brown - 321 for 504, 4254 yards, 23td, 9int, 54rush for 7 yards
Corey Robinson - 318 for 501, 3707 yards, 28td, 15int, 48rush for -100 yards
Corey Robinson - 316 for 508, 3411 yards, 21td, 15int, 46rush for -78 yards
Corey Robinson - 258 for 390, 3141 yards, 12td, 9int, 21rush for -47 yards
current Corey Robinson - 77 for 102 - 870 yards, 7td, 3int, 7rush for -18 yards

[Coach34]

So you don't think Dan would fire Les(s) O'Koening if we don't show any improvement on offense?

Also it wouldnt hurt to go out and hire a young up and comer who wants to be an OC in the SEC and who can recruit.

It doesnt matter who our OC title is given to- Mullen is our OC. The OC title is given to our QB coach who helps Mullen gameplan. Hell, Koenning is actually one of our better recruiters

[ckDOG]

Somebody from the Mumme/Leach tree of coaching.

[Thick]

Wait a minute. Do you guys think Les is still calling plays? I don't, think Les is calling defenses out to Dan in between plays to get an idea of what the defensive trends are per half. My opinion, but I think Dan's calling the plays. It looked pretty obvious this past weekend.

Even if Les is calling the plays, it's DM's offense, and Dan can and should over rule any questionable calls.

[engie]

This theoretical depends on Mullen being able to relinquish some control to guys that have proven themselves...

Everyone basically agrees that as long as he micromanages, nothing is changing.

[DownwardDawg]

I'm thinking maybe try Les Koening as OC. I don't think he's ever had a shot at it. This is Dan's offense. Maybe let Les be the OC for the rest of the year and see what happens. It can't hurt.

[Dawgfan77]

Jason Simpson is a guy Dan should look at he is the HC at UTMartin

[codeDawg]

We can hang up it actually happening, but Kenny Edenfield would be a hell of a OC at MSU.

[Bark]

I don't know much about Edenfield but I do know that it's just like here at State. Larry Blakeney(Troy's head coach) has been running that offense long before Edenfield ever showed up.

[HereComesTheSpiral]

Our next OC will be whoever is easiest to turn into the scapegoat.

[SPMT]

It doesnt matter who our OC title is given to- Mullen is our OC. The OC title is given to our QB coach who helps Mullen gameplan. Hell, Koenning is actually one of our better recruiters

This!

It is the TRUTH

[DanDority]

This theoretical depends on Mullen being able to relinquish some control to guys that have proven themselves...

Everyone basically agrees that as long as he micromanages, nothing is changing.

Exactly!

[fishwater99]

So Dan is going to fire himself?

[HIGHDOG]

i can think of a coupla coaches that i'd fire ahead of les...tom

[Fred's Love Boat]

CDM will be callin the playes regardless of whom the offensive coordnator is jus my opinion

[smootness]

This is Edenfield's QBs in his time there.
Levi Brown - 201 for 326, 2030 yards, 15td, 3int, 33rush for 17 yards
Levi Brown - 321 for 504, 4254 yards, 23td, 9int, 54rush for 7 yards
Corey Robinson - 318 for 501, 3707 yards, 28td, 15int, 48rush for -100 yards
Corey Robinson - 316 for 508, 3411 yards, 21td, 15int, 46rush for -78 yards
Corey Robinson - 258 for 390, 3141 yards, 12td, 9int, 21rush for -47 yards
current Corey Robinson - 77 for 102 - 870 yards, 7td, 3int, 7rush for -18 yards

Are any of these a significant step up from Russell's 231 for 394, 2897 yards, 24td, 10int last year?

[dawgs]

find a FCS OC running an uptempo creative offense putting up 600 yds/game. i don't care who it is. that's how oregon landed kelly.

[engie]

Are any of these a significant step up from Russell's 231 for 394, 2897 yards, 24td, 10int last year?

Yes. It is MUCH better than Russell in MSU's current offense.

Troy frequently uses a dual QB system. They even run 2 QBs on the field at the same time. The point was how EDENFIELD used a pass-first spread QB with lead feet in a way that allowed great success to their overall offense.

This is Troy's OVERALL passing rankings under Edenfield.
#7(current), #8, #17, #12, #4, #33(year1)...

This is MSU's OVERALL passing rankings under Mullen/Koenning.
#62(current), #59, #94, #87, #113(year1)...

You tell me which is working better...

[Jack Lambert]

You would think some poster from this messasge board would apply reading some of the posts. There is just too much football expertise here to let go to waste.

[smootness]

Yes. It is MUCH better than Russell in MSU's current offense.

Troy frequently uses a dual QB system. They even run 2 QBs on the field at the same time. The point was how EDENFIELD used a pass-first spread QB with lead feet in a way that allowed great success to their overall offense.

This is Troy's OVERALL passing rankings under Edenfield.
#7(current), #8, #17, #12, #4, #33(year1)...

This is MSU's OVERALL passing rankings under Mullen/Koenning.
#62(current), #59, #94, #87, #113(year1)...

You tell me which is working better...

But the efficiency isn't really any better. They're just throwing it a whole lot more.

['Merica Dawg]

Les has been here for 5 years and nothing has changed. I have a feeling that anything less than a bowl game and Egg Bowl victory and Les(s) O'Koening will be fired.

Just curious who are some candidates you guys think would be a good fit as our OC?

I have heard some say Troy's OC Ken Hatenfield (he was HC at Southwest MS for a couple years)

Any other names from small schools, or position coaches at other schools who would be good fits as our OC?

It's my understanding Mullen had staff changes in mind prior to the start of the 2013 season for "performance" reasons.

[engie]

But the efficiency isn't really any better. They're just throwing it a whole lot more.

You are really arguing that Troy's offense isn't alot more efficient than ours?

Total Offense
current - Troy #14, MSU #60
2012 - Troy #11, MSU #80
2011 - Troy #65, MSU #84
2010 - Troy #17, MSU #42
2009 - Troy #3, MSU #69

Yards/Play
current - Troy 6.87, MSU 5.80
2012 - Troy 6.2, MSU 5.85
2011 - Troy 5.26, MSU 5.39
2010 - Troy 5.91, MSU 5.75
2009 - Troy 6.49, MSU 5.39
5 yr average: Troy 6.146, MSU 5.636

Form an argument based on something next time, please... Instead of just arguing for the sake of arguing.

That 18 inch/play difference over 5 years makes a difference of 30-40 spots in the offensive pecking order across the country, which is a big ass difference...

No one would be complaining if we were consistently in the top 50 in these categories...

[Dawgfan77]

It's my understanding Mullen had staff changes in mind prior to the start of the 2013 season for "performance" reasons.

Can you elaborate on this.

['Merica Dawg]

I wasn't given any specific names but I have a couple that come to mind... As I am sure you do too. I will see if I can get some more concrete details tho.

[Johnson85]

But the efficiency isn't really any better. They're just throwing it a whole lot more.

They are throwing with success against equal or better talent.

We light up lesser talent and do so-so against equal talent, and struggle big time against better talent.

[engie]

They are throwing with success against equal or better talent.

We light up lesser talent and do so-so against equal talent, and struggle big time against better talent.

Making the difference I highlighted even more drastic...

I can break down my overall "how good the offenses are against the quality of defense they face" ratings if need be...