Arkansas 4th & 25 Question for Religious Folks

[BeastMan]

Now since everyone knows Hugh Freeze was a sacreligious fraud, was the miracle 4th & 25 divinely inspired to keep false prophet Freeze from the SECCG? Think about it, OM was THAT play from playing in Atlanta. One of the most improbable plays I've ever seen. Serious question.

[BeardoMSU]

Nah.

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[Reason2succeed]

Hahahahaha! Of course God doesn't care who wins games but God might care about taking his name in vain and being a false prophet. Who knows? But more than likely it was just a great play call by Bert and execution by Suie. My how things would be different if OM had won that game.

[TrapGame]

I'd have to say yeah...

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[Newguy1]

Not sure God interjected himself into the outcome but I've definitely thought about this play. Were Ole Miss to have won that game, I think they would have beaten Florida in the SEC championship (would have been a great rematch as Florida beat them earlier that year) and would have qualified for the playoffs, and could have had a good chance to win it all. Think about that...one play away from probably their best chance to win the national championship in our lifetime and they give up a first down on a 4th and 25 with a thrown over shoulder desperation play which happened RIGHT in front of ole Bucky. Karma, football gods, God himself...somebody wanted Ole Miss and Freeze to lose that game. That's why Hunter Henry is my favorite building on campus...

[BeastMan]

Hahahahaha! Of course God doesn't care who wins games but God might care about taking his name in vain and being a false prophet. Who knows? But more than likely it was just a great play call by Bert and execution by Suie. My how things would be different if OM had won that game.

Sure he doesn't care about who wins but I personally think openly mocking God has consequences.

[BeastMan]

Not sure God interjected himself into the outcome but I've definitely thought about this play. Were Ole Miss to have won that game, I think they would have beaten Florida in the SEC championship (would have been a great rematch as Florida beat them earlier that year) and would have qualified for the playoffs, and could have had a good chance to win it all. Think about that...one play away from probably their best chance to win the national championship in our lifetime and they give up a first down on a 4th and 25 with a thrown over shoulder desperation play which happened RIGHT in front of ole Bucky. Karma, football gods, God himself...somebody wanted Ole Miss and Freeze to lose that game. That's why Hunter Henry is my favorite building on campus...

Eggzactly. You just put that play in its proper context.

[TUSK]

I was the REC's designee that day ... God had the day off....

[HSVDawg]

Not sure God interjected himself into the outcome but I've definitely thought about this play. Were Ole Miss to have won that game, I think they would have beaten Florida in the SEC championship (would have been a great rematch as Florida beat them earlier that year) and would have qualified for the playoffs, and could have had a good chance to win it all. Think about that...one play away from probably their best chance to win the national championship in our lifetime and they give up a first down on a 4th and 25 with a thrown over shoulder desperation play which happened RIGHT in front of ole Bucky. Karma, football gods, God himself...somebody wanted Ole Miss and Freeze to lose that game. That's why Hunter Henry is my favorite building on campus...

The playoff? You gotta be kidding, right? They still had a loss to Memphis and an asswhipping at the hands of a pretty average Florida team. No way they would have made the playoff even if they won the SEC. No chance in hell.

[dawggoneit]

Thought it was caused by some dude at Buffalo Wild Wings.

[BeastMan]

The playoff? You gotta be kidding, right? They still had a loss to Memphis and an asswhipping at the hands of a pretty average Florida team. No way they would have made the playoff even if they won the SEC. No chance in hell.

It's not as fethched. If OM goes to the SECCG and beat Fla, it avenges that loss. The committee would be tasked with 3 options: (1) Leave SEC out (2) Take OM, the SEC Champion (3) Take Bama despite not winning the SEC AND over the champion who beat them.

Number 1 wasn't happening. I think the committee could have justified OM by saying the Memphis loss was bad but they didn't have Tunsil and they're the hottest team in football who beat Bama. Very well could have ended up being Bama but saying there wasn't a strong argument for OM isn't accurate.

[HSVDawg]

It's not as fethched. If OM goes to the SECCG and beat Fla, it avenges that loss. The committee would be tasked with 3 options: (1) Leave SEC out (2) Take OM, the SEC Champion (3) Take Bama despite not winning the SEC AND over the champion who beat them.

Number 1 wasn't happening. I think the committee could have justified OM by saying the Memphis loss was bad but they didn't have Tunsil and they're the hottest team in football who beat Bama. Very well could have ended up being Bama but saying there wasn't a strong argument for OM isn't accurate.

Why is #1 not an option? Outside of Bama, the SEC has not been an elite or even good conference by any means the last couple of years. It especially wasn't in 2015. And it is a pretty big assumption that they beat UF anyways. They got NOTHING done against that defense in Gainesville.

[JoseBrown]

I don't know, He sure stopped the field goal from going over the cross bar in that Egg Bowl in Jackson. God works in mysterious ways! Lol..

[StThierry]

I would say to answer your original question depends how you define God's sovereignty or power.

[BeastMan]

Why is #1 not an option? Outside of Bama, the SEC has not been an elite or even good conference by any means the last couple of years. It especially wasn't in 2015. And it is a pretty big assumption that they beat UF anyways. They got NOTHING done against that defense in Gainesville.

The SEC has a ticket in the playoff until someone dethrones. You putting a Big 12 team in there?

[TUSK]

It's not as fethched. If OM goes to the SECCG and beat Fla, it avenges that loss. The committee would be tasked with 3 options: (1) Leave SEC out (2) Take OM, the SEC Champion (3) Take Bama despite not winning the SEC AND over the champion who beat them.

Number 1 wasn't happening. I think the committee could have justified OM by saying the Memphis loss was bad but they didn't have Tunsil and they're the hottest team in football who beat Bama. Very well could have ended up being Bama but saying there wasn't a strong argument for OM isn't accurate.

I'll go with #3.... I kinda doubt OM gets in over Clemson, Mich. St. or Okie... But, I've not looked hard at how the CFP rankings shook out the last month...

[BeastMan]

I'll go with #3.... I kinda doubt OM gets in over Clemson, Mich. St. or Okie... But, I've not looked hard at how the CFP rankings shook out the last month...

I think taking Bama would have been most likely but I'm pretty sure OM had #1 strength of schedule, would have been SEC Champion, and beat Bama. They were more than an afterthought in that scenario

[TUSK]

I think taking Bama would have been most likely but I'm pretty sure OM had #1 strength of schedule, would have been SEC Champion, and beat Bama. They were more than an afterthought in that scenario

I would have LOVED a rematch with OM in the CFP....

[NCDawg]

I thought it may have been divine intervention in our '98 game against Arkansas. Madkin completed 2 long passes to Cooper and Love on 3rd and 4thn downs to set up Hazlewood's FG to win the game and send us to Atlanta. Of course, we had to beat Ole Miss in Oxford the following week, but Ole Miss' QB was injured and didn't play-another possible divine intervention.

[AROB44]

Thought it was caused by some dude at Buffalo Wild Wings.

+1

[HSVDawg]

The SEC has a ticket in the playoff until someone dethrones. You putting a Big 12 team in there?

First, you are confusing the strength of Alabama with the strength of the conference as a whole. They aren't the same thing. Secondly, a Big 12 team was already in there in 2015(Oklahoma). Iowa was 12-1. Ohio State 11-1. Stanford 11-2. FSU 10-2. All left out. All of those teams have a more compelling argument than OM and all finished way higher in the rankings. OM was 12th in the final CFP rankings with the Ark loss. And by the way, Arkansas finished 7-5 and was unranked in the CFP. Are you arguing that a home win over Arkansas (who would have then been 6-6) and a neutral win over Florida who was ranked like 15th in the final CFP would vault them from 12th to 4th? No way.

[DownwardDawg]

I would have LOVED a rematch with OM in the CFP....

I bet you would have! Just like we would have LOVED a rematch with you guys in 2014.

[TUSK]

I bet you would have! Just like we would have LOVED a rematch with you guys in 2014.

eh kay...:rolleyes:

[cubswillwinitonedaydawg]

I think the football was universe was correcting itself after a game with 6 turnovers, a TD pass off a defender's helmet, and a phantom call gave them a win to put them in the situation they were in. Hats off to them for getting the W, but karma corrected it. They could have just as easily ended up with 4-5 losses that year as they could have had a chance at the SEC title.

[WPS]

Hunter Henry's dad is a preacher, just saying.

[Mutt the Hoople]

God Hates Ole Miss.

[Reason2succeed]

God Hates Ole Miss.

Amen. Praise the Lord and Hail State!

[Todd4State]

As far as football, I honestly don't believe God works like that. One of the major problems I had with Freeze as a Christian myself was how out of context he used Faith. I believe that God doesn't care who wins or loses in football. I think where God comes into play as far as football is concerned is in terms of blessing players with gifts in terms of athleticism and work ethic and then using those gifts to glorify Him. I don't think athletes are meant to be prophets or religious figures but I do think that they can use their platform as an athlete and entertainer using the gifts that they were blessed with to share the gospel in the same way that Tim Tebow, Bobby Richardson, and Mark Richt and many others have in the past. I also want to mention as far as God and praying in football- it's very appropriate to pray that no one is seriously injured and also that the players perform to the best of their abilities to glorify God. "We're going to win because God is on our side!" Is not very Biblical especially when you look at all the people in the Bible that were on God's side that struggled or were killed.

I think that can apply to any walk of life because I believe God can use anyone in any occupation to share the Gospel.

I think what happened there with Arkansas was more a culmination of hard work or maybe a lack thereof on the part of the Ole Miss defense. And let's not forget- as crazy and miraculous as that play was- Ole Miss had a chance to stop them after that and did not. Or maybe Arkansas's players were blessed with more God given talent than Ole Miss's? I don't know the exact answer.

[Jack Lambert]

God don't give a shit about football. If he did Bama wouldn't have all those Championships.

[TrapGame]

God don't give a shit about football. If he did Bama wouldn't have all those Championships.

Ok, Jack, that's sig worthy right there. Rep given.


Edit: Well shit. You must spread some rep around..yada, yada, yada... Sorry Jack. It's the thought that counts.

[AROB44]

Rep given, Jack.

[BossDawg]

Not to mention the penalty on Arky's 2 point conversion that gave them another shot at it.

[NCDawg]

As far as football, I honestly don't believe God works like that. One of the major problems I had with Freeze as a Christian myself was how out of context he used Faith. I believe that God doesn't care who wins or loses in football. I think where God comes into play as far as football is concerned is in terms of blessing players with gifts in terms of athleticism and work ethic and then using those gifts to glorify Him. I don't think athletes are meant to be prophets or religious figures but I do think that they can use their platform as an athlete and entertainer using the gifts that they were blessed with to share the gospel in the same way that Tim Tebow, Bobby Richardson, and Mark Richt and many others have in the past. I also want to mention as far as God and praying in football- it's very appropriate to pray that no one is seriously injured and also that the players perform to the best of their abilities to glorify God. "We're going to win because God is on our side!" Is not very Biblical especially when you look at all the people in the Bible that were on God's side that struggled or were killed.

I think that can apply to any walk of life because I believe God can use anyone in any occupation to share the Gospel.

I think what happened there with Arkansas was more a culmination of hard work or maybe a lack thereof on the part of the Ole Miss defense. And let's not forget- as crazy and miraculous as that play was- Ole Miss had a chance to stop them after that and did not. Or maybe Arkansas's players were blessed with more God given talent than Ole Miss's? I don't know the exact answer.


I agree with this. I don't believe God takes sides in a football game. There are much more important things in life, although a friend of mine once said (in jest, after we saw State blown out), "God hates MS State and everybody that roots for them".

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

The Lord works in mysterious ways...and evidently has a sense of humor.

[TUSK]

God don't give a shit about football. If he did Bama wouldn't have all those Championships.

Strong as a garlic milkshake...

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Jack Lambert again.