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Bully13
07-31-2017, 03:43 PM
Are the penalties determined solely on what the NOA'S document or do they consider other obvious things that only a blind person wouldn't see that just don't have a paper trail?

Isn't there a documented conversation between Tunsil's stepdad and an ole miss coach prior to signing day regarding living arrangements and such? I mean, the NCAA knows where the Tunsil family lived prior to moving to Oxford and where they ended up living , right? And even though the Moncrief car deal went cold on the documentation front, it still stunk to high heaven. Common sense tells us his brother didn't buy him that car. And why would the NCAA interview Tunsil's step dad if they were not planning to use his info to build their case? didn't Tunsil's step dad mention cash, whores, agents and such?

Didn't Saban report the returning of cash back to an ole miss booster by one of his croots? or was that just a rumor?

My point is I guess is that the red flag was raised after ole miss won ONE SEC game over a 2 year period then out of nowhere land a top 10 class which had cheating written all over it. You don't accomplish that with just free tickets, transportation, loaner cars, sleepovers and gear from rebel rags.

Just wondering and shit. I'm having a hard time believing after 5 years the NCAA only came up with what is in the 2 NOA'S.

QuadrupleOption
07-31-2017, 03:48 PM
The stuff in the NOA is what the NCAA could prove. They have a lot more they looked into but couldn't prove.

BeastMan
07-31-2017, 04:26 PM
The NCAA has mountains of circumstantial evidence. They are only charging what they can prove. The COI chair, Greg Christopher, love's Mullen and is preparing to drop the hammer.

starkvegasdawg
07-31-2017, 04:37 PM
Even with just what's in the NOA they have enough for a 30-60 year bowl ban if the matrix is followed exactly. Now we all know they won't do that, but it goes to show they can swing as big of a hammer as they want to and still be in guidelines.

Reason2succeed
07-31-2017, 04:47 PM
The stuff in the NOA is what the NCAA could prove. They have a lot more they looked into but couldn't prove.

This plus they can only punish them for what is in the NOA. There should be no more arbitrary punishments under the new system. The 21 level 1 allegations are called so because they are infractions that threaten the amateurism of the game. They may not seem serious to you but according to the NCAA they are very serious. According to the matrix and the number of allegations OM will be crippled by the sanctions. So much so that some of us have said it would be better for OM to self impose a one or two year DP rather than face the scholarship reductions, bowl bans, fines, and years of probation that the matrix calls for.

HSVDawg
07-31-2017, 05:05 PM
The answer to your question is a little complicated. Under the new penalty structure, the COI can only enact sanctions for violations shown in the NOA. However, the structure still gives them a little leeway to change from standard to aggravated if they believe cooperation was not ideal or if they believe there are other things that weren't uncovered that they have a pretty good idea happened regardless. All the evidence you mentioned certainly falls into that category, although the actual sitting members on the COI could not disclose in the meeting that "we think this also happened, so....". But, they can utilize any existing legitimate reason under the sun that they choose to change from standard to aggravated and the result would be the same. They could simply say Bjork didn't return their calls in a timely manner and therefore all allegations are now aggravated, and it would be legitimate per the penalty structure. Fortunately for all of us, there will be no need for them to go to such measures because OM has already provided plenty of ammunition in that regard (leaking email correspondence with the NCAA, leaking Leo's name, fighting FOIA requests, lying to the media and recruits, etc.). So, I would expect most of the charges to end up aggravated and very few and possibly none being mitigated.

Long story short, the NCAA has a blank check for sanctions they are about to fill out. It's all up to them how much they want, because every potential penalty under the sun is on the table.