Real deal here: Could UNM ever get the DP?

[Coursesuper]

They are currently charged with a litany of violations that more than prove that they were playing by their own set of rules to gain a competitive advantage. The things that the NCAA is now charging them are serious, but if now they are shown to have widely used burners with PSA's and have provided hookers (on campus ) will they be the next SMU.

Don't take this lightly this is a BFD! This will impact the entire school ,the IHL in MS ,and possibly the SEC, there are broad implications here and I can't fathom how far this goes. Does the FBI get involved here the MBI how far does it go?

[Dolphus Raymond]

If the hooker theory pans out, then the DP will be on the table.

[Saltydog]

forcing the issue if it were to get that far.

[TrapGame]

If the hookers for croots is true, which could lead to federal sex trafficking charges, they will get the DP.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

One year competition ban for Ole Miss Athletics may be on table if it turns out they were setting up Hooka's across state line.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

I don't know but I wish I had a dollar for every time that has been asked in the last year.

[anubus]

I think being a 3 decade offender should warrant it

[Coursesuper]

I don't know but I wish I had a dollar for every time that has been asked in the last year.

That was before possible hookers for recruits was in play, and now there is someone in play that can and will dig to find every shitty detail. So thanks for the glibness of your reply. Before these newer developments there was no chance, now if theses things come out it could be a real possibility.

But what most are missing here is, is that if UNM gets the DP then there are far reaching is the fallout? When SMU got the hammer it killed the old SWC, could that happen to the SEC? If it does, what happens to us? How big is the hit on UNM and what kind of hit does the IHL take and how foes that effect us? Do people go to prison in this shit, were did the money fir sell this come from? I could go on and on.

Before Tom Mars was involved there was no way that UNM gets anything other than a heavy penalty from the NCAA and a few coaches get a show cause. Now this is a whole new game, let that sink in, this guy has teeth and is more than willing to take a big bite out of the collective UNM ass.

[RocketDawg]

If OM gets the death penalty it certainly adversely affects the SEC because the other teams will have to be scrambling to schedule somebody to take their place. It would also reduce the television revenue for the conference because of a dozen fewer games to be shown. Even losing bowl revenue for one game is a hit, but really a small one, and they might not have been eligible anyway.

I don't really think they'll get the DP for those reasons alone. But we shall see.

[DownwardDawg]

If OM gets the death penalty it certainly adversely affects the SEC because the other teams will have to be scrambling to schedule somebody to take their place. It would also reduce the television revenue for the conference because of a dozen fewer games to be shown. Even losing bowl revenue for one game is a hit, but really a small one, and they might not have been eligible anyway.

I don't really think they'll get the DP for those reasons alone. But we shall see.

It would be worth every bit of that!!!

[TUSK]

Oh, they're gonna get "DP'd".... but it likely won't be the "Death Penalty"....

[Steakonastick]

The true death penalty will never happen again to a power 5 team. Their is way to much money involved now especially with conference networks. The last thing the sec wants is to renegotiate their agreement with Espn.

But you if you place a long enough bowl ban and take away enough scholarships you can set a program back 5 years.

[Commercecomet24]

Oh, they're gonna get "DP'd".... but it likely won't be the "Death Penalty"....

Nice! I see what you did there!

[msbulldog]

$hit boys, if they find evidence of hookers for underage recruits in various states, we're not talking death penalty here. We are talking RICO charges. Underage sex crossing state lines, Hmmmm. Who arranged for the hookers? Who paid for the Hookers? Who coordinated this activity? Boys, we ain't talking death penalty, we are talking a bunch of folks doing serious jail time.
There's a guy on 247 Ole Miss Shark Tank, that goes by the handle Oscar Rebel (and he seems to be fairly well connected), that a month ago was talking about a nuclear option that either side could take. He was hoping it would not happen, because it would be catastrophic. Lately he has not mentioned this, but clearly from his writings, he has become more antagonistic.
Now guys, Freeze walked away from his job without much protest. Now I don't think that any of our board members would believe that a phone call that lasted less than 1 minute to an escort service would cause Freeze to walk away from a 5M/yr job.
I think the reason Mississippi is fighting Nutt's attorney so hard over Freezes full phone records, is they're scared of Tom Mars finding what they have already found. Remember 'a pattern of unethical behavior' that they used for an excuse to fire Freeze? At first, I thought this pattern was phone calls to Freeze's hair stylist girlfriend. Then after reflection I came to the question, why would tsun fire their most winning coach since Vaught?
Have they come to the realization that they are in much more serious trouble than the NCAA?

[Reason2succeed]

If OM gets the death penalty it certainly adversely affects the SEC because the other teams will have to be scrambling to schedule somebody to take their place. It would also reduce the television revenue for the conference because of a dozen fewer games to be shown. Even losing bowl revenue for one game is a hit, but really a small one, and they might not have been eligible anyway.

I don't really think they'll get the DP for those reasons alone. But we shall see.

1) First, no one in the NCAA ever said that the NCAA would not levy a DP again. That's a urban myth that has been proven many times on this board. Smaller schools and non-revenue sports have been getting and self imposing DP since SMU.

2) The NCAA didn't sign a contract with ESPN. The SEC did. So the NCAA isn't really concerned about how OM's violations affect OM or the SEC. Further, if the NCAA is weighing those things and is avoiding penalizing P5 schools because of TV contracts then they would be liable to be sued by the smaller schools and non-revenue sports at all schools.

3) The SWC did not fall apart because of the DP at SMU. There were many other factors. The SEC is much to strong to fall apart because of a two year DP at OM. Heck, UAB is just coming back from two years off and it didn't destroy their conference.

OM can't be given a DP until they are under repeat violator status which as far as I know they are not...yet.
I believe that the COI swill look at the matrix and see that the penalties for OM are astronomical. They will suggest a DP in lieu of the penalties. Whether or not OM takes it is anyone's guess. The OM administration has not made a name for themselves for wise decision making.

[1bigdawg]

[QUOTE=Reason2succeed;781938]OM can't be given a DP until they are under repeat violator status which as far as I know they are not...yet.[/QUOTE

I have heard this many times, but have not seen it in writing. Can you verify it?

[Dallas_Dawg]

Nice! I see what you did there!

More like DVDA

[Commercecomet24]

More like DVDA

Yep lol!

[msbulldog]

OM can't be given a DP until they are under repeat violator status which as far as I know they are not...yet.

OM is already on probation, women's basketball and track and field.

[Dawgowar]

Look they are going through end up with 2 or more years no postseason. 3 if you count last year. 4...5..6 if you count how bad they will be when they also lose...

...30-40 scholarships. When you factor regular attrition, missing on talent and dedication appraisal, etc, then that will equate to 2-3 classes lost.

And there will be mass exodus resulting in more damage. Don't forget the previously well compensated players may have a less than enthusiastic attitude if they find a landing spot.

The SC's on the staff are just the elimination of a handful of symptoms. The network will have to be very sloppy to QUICKLY overcome these conditions. They are fools to try that tactic.

They are looking at 6-10 seasons of bad football. They inflicted 8 shit seasons on us. I don't need the DP just some well deserved fairness in competition.

[Todd4State]

If the escorts were indeed for recruits and the NCAA proves it, I think they will get the death penalty. IMO, I do think that will happen but it's going to take a few years to sort it out just like their current investigation has been going on for a few years.

We're talking about a school that has 21 major violations and committed some of those while actually under investigation. That school has also done everything to conceal and show hostility towards the NCAA in the process. What we know that has been confirmed will probably in my estimate at least result in a five year probation with at least 50 scholarships reduced and at least a three year bowl ban with LOIC. And unless I'm mistaken the full NOA #2 doesn't come out until Monday so who knows what is in there that Ole Miss isn't telling us? Because if I remember correctly with NOA #1 they only released some of it until they had to release the full NOA and there were some more things in it.

Now on top of all of that, let's add a sex trafficking scandal that involves the head coach and minors. That's a Penn State/Baylor type scandal on top of the school already being on probation and the scandal occurring while the school was being investigated. The thing is unless I'm mistaken neither one of those schools were in probation or being investigated by the NCAA when the scandals occurred- and based on how Penn State got hammered for Sandusky I think the NCAA looks at everything and pulls the plug.

[Todd4State]

If OM gets the death penalty it certainly adversely affects the SEC because the other teams will have to be scrambling to schedule somebody to take their place. It would also reduce the television revenue for the conference because of a dozen fewer games to be shown. Even losing bowl revenue for one game is a hit, but really a small one, and they might not have been eligible anyway.

I don't really think they'll get the DP for those reasons alone. But we shall see.

I don't think it will affect the SEC that much to honest with you. As far as the schedule we'll probably go back to playing three SEC East teams instead of the two we play now until their sentence is over. At least that's the logical thing to do.

[Dawgowar]

I will say any laws broken connected to any NCAA enforceable violation, particularly sex/minor related would change everything if true. Zero defense and zero mercy would be afforded

[WSOPdawg]

If the escorts were indeed for recruits and the NCAA proves it, I think they will get the death penalty. IMO, I do think that will happen but it's going to take a few years to sort it out just like their current investigation has been going on for a few years.

We're talking about a school that has 21 major violations and committed some of those while actually under investigation. That school has also done everything to conceal and show hostility towards the NCAA in the process. What we know that has been confirmed will probably in my estimate at least result in a five year probation with at least 50 scholarships reduced and at least a three year bowl ban with LOIC. And unless I'm mistaken the full NOA #2 doesn't come out until Monday so who knows what is in there that Ole Miss isn't telling us? Because if I remember correctly with NOA #1 they only released some of it until they had to release the full NOA and there were some more things in it.

Now on top of all of that, let's add a sex trafficking scandal that involves the head coach and minors. That's a Penn State/Baylor type scandal on top of the school already being on probation and the scandal occurring while the school was being investigated. The thing is unless I'm mistaken neither one of those schools were in probation or being investigated by the NCAA when the scandals occurred- and based on how Penn State got hammered for Sandusky I think the NCAA looks at everything and pulls the plug.

Agree Todd. I'm thinking in the 45+ scholarship range with 3 year bowl ban as well. There's just no way for the NCAA to spin their new matrix and remain the legitimate policing authority of D1 if TCUN gets anything less imo.

[AlmostPositive]

Forty plus scholarships lost and a multi-year bowl ban is the death penalty by another name.

Tack on whatever NOA 3 brings to the table and OM may be better off taking a break for three years or so.

[Reason2succeed]

Either way it goes OM has to clean house. Can they really keep the people in the compliance depart employed?!? The coaches they have now either are in the NOA and could get a show cause or are complete jokes and will not be retained by the next staff. I could make a strong argument that OM would be a more desirable job after a DP because the new coach would be assured that the toxic regime that did this was gone and he could set the new tone. Also, it would be a clear sign to the NCAA that they need not set up an office in oXXXford.

[Todd4State]

Agree Todd. I'm thinking in the 45+ scholarship range with 3 year bowl ban as well. There's just no way for the NCAA to spin their new matrix and remain the legitimate policing authority of D1 if TCUN gets anything less imo.

Yes- the NCAA only loses if they don't nail them. If they don't they're going to either open up a wild west scenario in college football which I don't think they want or they will piss off Alabama, Georgia, and all of the other major players that turned Ole Miss in which could spawn another college football league that could end the NCAA. If Ole Miss left the NCAA, no one would care and the SEC would just pick up Oklahoma or someone like that to replace Ole Miss.

[Todd4State]

Either way it goes OM has to clean house. Can they really keep the people in the compliance depart employed?!? The coaches they have now either are in the NOA and could get a show cause or are complete jokes and will not be retained by the next staff. I could make a strong argument that OM would be a more desirable job after a DP because the new coach would be assured that the toxic regime that did this was gone and he could set the new tone. Also, it would be a clear sign to the NCAA that they need not set up an office in oXXXford.

That's a big problem Ole Miss has. They have to find a coach that is willing to risk losing his career by cheating excessively or be fired like Cutcliffe for not recruiting the way they want to.

[Jack Lambert]

If the hooker theory pans out, then the DP will be on the table.

If I understanding you correctly, if there were hookers for recruits there was some DP done?

[ShotgunDawg]

Would an NFL team get the DP? No Would an MLB team get the DP? No How about the NBA? No

No money producing team in today's world of TV contracts is going to get the DP. However, just like the NFL tries to penalize teams draft picks, etc, the NCAA will make competing virtually impossible for OM.

[Todd4State]

Would an NFL team get the DP? No Would an MLB team get the DP? No How about the NBA? No

No money producing team in today's world of TV contracts is going to get the DP. However, just like the NFL tries to penalize teams draft picks, etc, the NCAA will make competing virtually impossible for OM.

Apples and oranges. Ole Miss isn't a pro sports team. There are also fewer rules for acquiring players in pro sports too as far as offering incentives. Usually the penalties are in the form of luxury taxes.

[MedDawg]

nm

[sandwolf]

2) The NCAA didn't sign a contract with ESPN. The SEC did. So the NCAA isn't really concerned about how OM's violations affect OM or the SEC.If you honestly believe that the NCAA isn't concerned about how sanctions that they issue would affect the SEC (or any of the other major conferences that have multi-billion dollar TV deals in place) then you should just stop posting on the matter altogether. That is insanely idiotic.

[Reason2succeed]

If you honestly believe that the NCAA isn't concerned about how sanctions that they issue would affect the SEC (or any of the other major conferences that have multi-billion dollar TV deals in place) then you should just stop posting on the matter altogether. That is insanely idiotic.

What I'm saying is that they are two separate entities and are not responsible for the SEC's tv contract. If a cheating organization gets caught it is not their responsibility to cover. The NCAA gives out bowl bans even
Though that diminishes the product on TV. It is not their fault or their responsibility.

[Todd4State]

If you honestly believe that the NCAA isn't concerned about how sanctions that they issue would affect the SEC (or any of the other major conferences that have multi-billion dollar TV deals in place) then you should just stop posting on the matter altogether. That is insanely idiotic.

Ole Miss is one of the smallest fan bases in the league. If they were Alabama it would be a big deal but they're not.

[Maroonbulldog]

SMU was like the SEc's Bama- huge difference.


That was before possible hookers for recruits was in play, and now there is someone in play that can and will dig to find every shitty detail. So thanks for the glibness of your reply. Before these newer developments there was no chance, now if theses things come out it could be a real possibility.

But what most are missing here is, is that if UNM gets the DP then there are far reaching is the fallout? When SMU got the hammer it killed the old SWC, could that happen to the SEC? If it does, what happens to us? How big is the hit on UNM and what kind of hit does the IHL take and how foes that effect us? Do people go to prison in this shit, were did the money fir sell this come from? I could go on and on.

Before Tom Mars was involved there was no way that UNM gets anything other than a heavy penalty from the NCAA and a few coaches get a show cause. Now this is a whole new game, let that sink in, this guy has teeth and is more than willing to take a big bite out of the collective UNM ass.

[Coursesuper]

SMU was like the SEc's Bama- huge difference.

SMU was the usurper on the kids that TX and A&M were getting. They were nothing like Bammer. TX was the Bammer of that league.

[dawgoneyall]

They are currently charged with a litany of violations that more than prove that they were playing by their own set of rules to gain a competitive advantage. The things that the NCAA is now charging them are serious, but if now they are shown to have widely used burners with PSA's and have provided hookers (on campus ) will they be the next SMU.

Don't take this lightly this is a BFD! This will impact the entire school ,the IHL in MS ,and possibly the SEC, there are broad implications here and I can't fathom how far this goes. Does the FBI get involved here the MBI how far does it go?

There is/are simply too much/many ramifications to the DP for any SEC school to receive one....unless it just gets so bad it can't be helped.

Just make Vandy glad they have them as a permanent opponent (and us).

[1bigdawg]

While I don't believe the NCAA would dish out the DP, the SEC and its TV contract could adjust. The SEC West teams could count their other P5 opponent as their other conference game. (Their is historical precedent for this.) Also, the SEC could raid another conference and get, Oklahoma, NC State or someone else to expand our footprint. This would actually enhance the SEC's TV contract. Maryland got out of the ACC's deal, so could another team.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

OM can't be given a DP until they are under repeat violator status which as far as I know they are not...yet.

OM is already on probation, women's basketball and track and field.

But yet people continue to bring it up ad nauseum